Thanks for the Video Nick. £100 in 1994 is worth £254.19 today. According to the Office for National Statistics composite price index. This is from one of the inflation calculators online. House prices have increased by about twice the rate of inflation. Your method is substantially overstating the inflation adjustment that a more standard method would give.
The Optima moonlighter was a 3-9x45. You had to state Whether required for Firearms or Air rifle. The Parrallax was adjusted and set at the factory to either 100yrds or 30yrds. It had the all new RANGEMASTER system fitted. Which means you could reset the Dial back to Zero. Technical stuff back in 1980.
My first rifle as a fifth form schoolboy was a second-hand Webley break-barrel. It cost me four quid. The 4x20 scope I added later was one pound-eighty. That may not sound much but at the time either six days and one evening on a paper round or a Saturday job would get you one pound fifty. Twenty number six was twenty-something pence and a pint of lager was sixteen pence...
The Hawke Airmax 2-7X32ao scope on your HW97 is my favorite model. Great scope, already paralax free on 7,5 yards and the perfect scope for the HW30, 57 and 99S. A HW today is worth every penny, the other Tupperware rubbish on the market is way to expensive for what you get for your money Cheers buddy!
Interesting comparisons Nick. I bought my first Brand New Air Rifle in 1976- an HW 35 for (I think ) £65 in a 'long gone' gun shop in Bournemouth..up to that point I's only had BSA's. My Car at the time was a Mk1 1963 Lotus Cortina that I bought for £250 in 1974. I still have the HW 35 ...... I wish I still had the Lotus Cortina. ( ;-{)> Happy Birthday.......
Great content even if the house prices multiplier doesn't really work, second homes became a substitute for a private pension back in the late 80's, ' buy to let mortgages ' appeared in the nineties making investment in housing stock even easier, then you have the recent shortfall in housing stock, all factors that have pushed prices through the roof.
I have messaged them about the 30 stock same answer everytime, we won't be doing an Hw30 stock. I think it would be a top seller for them. The number of posts you see for a custom stock for the Hw30 that doesn't break the bank.
Interesting comparison. All sporting goods have got cheaper. CNC machining means high quality manufactured products are much more affordable (in terms of disposable income and the cost of living) than they used to be. When I got back into airguns about 10 years ago, having not shot or owned one for about 40 years, I was pleasantly surprised how affordable (compared to the prices I remember from back in my yoof) quality springers were. The first new gun I bought was a LGV and it cost me around £400. I'm an angler, too and the same applies to fishing tackle. The downside of automated production is that it costs firms a lot to tool up for production runs, which is probably why CS reckon it isn't worth their while to offer a HW30 stock. They wouldn't sell enough to recoup the investment.
Happy Birthday.🎉 I can tell ya the prosport isn't cheap.😂 Growing up we didn't have two nickels to rub together..lol. so we shot the crosman's and were proud to have them. Fast forward many decades, and I now have some top dogs, HW's and AA's.
Love you but your point is invalid. Yes, there are productivity improvements so we have better stuff now and it's cheaper to buy. However, people like you and me have enjoyed stable, easy-entry jobs that paid us enough to buy a house on a single income. A 25 year old now CAN buy an air rifle for cheaper - if only they have anything left after rent, food and transport. And they have to have "10 years of experience in a technology that only existed for 2 years" just to be able to submit their CV along with 500 others... And then hear from their boss every day that "we are losing sleep over searching for the AI that will replace you finally"
Happy birthday 😊, back in 1983 i bought a brand new Hw77k in .22 for £120, Tuned from Airgun centre in Rayleigh (I now know all they did was pump grease inside it🙄) Tasco 4x40 wide angle £30, can't remember how much the one peice mount, gun bag and pellets were but it was all bought with Birthday and Christmas money and I used to clean cars at the weekend 😅 kid's spend thousands on computers and gaming now! , different world we live in, ive still got the 77 with a TBT kit in it😊
Absolutely, bit buy quality , buy once , buy cheap buy twice .....please have u released a dedicated tbt kit , with spring guide for a bsa airsporter s ...mk2 airsporter but s model ....so o ring piston head....I want the spring, top hat , slip washer and spring guide with bum slide and spring grease .....love the vids ❤
I know that you had to base the comparison on something, but house prices are not the best measure as they are way overpriced. Probably a fairer gauge would be average wage 👍
Hi,love your channel.i also loved the 90s guns and airgun magazines,being in my mid forties i have started looking back with nostalgia.one gun I always wanted was a Colchester gamekeeper.do u remember this rifle?anyway cheers for the great videos.
Eh, house prices are being "artificially" inflated by politicians, various companies, funds, etc etc buying them all up so I wouldn't really say that is a fair comparison. Going just off of inflation that £33 scope would only be £68.12. Competition in the industry and technological advances keep prices on airguns and scopes lower than what they might be these days.
@@tbtairrifletuning1520 Well, the Bank of England inflation calculator is what I used via Google to get that figure. I guess inflation vs buying power would be a bit different. Video games have stayed around the same for the last 30 years based on base editions. Comparing prices pre vs post covid for most things would probably be the most shocking as that is where I have seen the highest increases. Pellet prices have doubled if not tripled in the last 5 years. What used to be a $6 tin of JSB pellets now goes for $15-$20. Same for housing, last 5 years prices have skyrocketed.
@@tbtairrifletuning1520 My electricity bill has doubled in a lot less than that. And I'm watching food prices creep up by 10% PER WEEK. And house prices are absurd. Never mind doubled - add a zero. I was looking up my parents' old property recently, market value now _more than_ *ten times* what it went for, thirty-odd years ago. We're being robbed, mate. edit: Oh, forgot - rents have doubled, where I am, in the last five, alone.
Some things are more than 5x, some are less. I had to choose one thing, so I chose something we all have. A home! (Rental has gone up more in most areas)
Springers like Weihrauchs are relatively cheaper now than they were in the 70s & 80s if you look at average incomes. I think it was even worse in the 1950s when buying an Airsporter would mean doing a paper round for about 30 years …
I wished you had Rachel Riley on hand for that one😂😂😂 And when you run out of ideas for new guns, everyone needs a B2 and a B3 in there armoury. I tell you what, with a little tinkering and 25mtrs my b2 is up there with my HW30s.😱😱😱.
I visited Air Arms when the TX was just being launched the two gents responsible offered me beech stocked TX 200 [only stock available] for sixty pounds each provided I bought half a dozen. I did not take them up on the offer nearly did was extremely tempted , and not been a day since that I did not regret my stupidity. But the story highlights just how worried the directors were about the success of the gun, in fact so worried were they the first production run did not bear a serial number. I am a big fan of air arms springers I have owned many over the years, and still own three. Trouble is Nick you are in France ??? have you received posted guns from the UK via standard post office/ parcel force since you been there. I have two webleys I want to post to Britany but have been so troubled at the thought of losing them I have not got round to it.
Good example of why Mr Blair and Brown took house prices out of inflation figures..the economy would have gone into blind panic yrs ago..£700 a week..we wish, we can't afford what's made in Britain it's why we import everything..very interesting video on lots of levels 👍👍
Over last 26 years £ inflation has been 3.11% per year. So £100 in 1999 now equates to £221.47. So you need to halve the quotes you have been giving here.
81 99£ fwb sport...think gave same airgun centre for org 50 type 01.beast with scope! No tripod 😂😂😂 first hobble 82 £10 aday! Labourering! Due to Maggie's government 🖕
I just checked ( for the fun of it ) the price here in Canada of a Weihrauch HW80 22 cal, it's $927 CDN, convert this to Pounds Sterling ( via Google ) and it about 526.23, is that your price today in the U.K. generally? Oh by the way, for us to buy one, we have to add approximately another $75.CDN for shipping then 15% sales tax on top of that and it comes to $1152.30 Canadian dollars,.. convert that total to Pounds Sterling, and it's about 651 Pounds landed at my door. Oh boy oh boy!
Without the shipping and taxes, that's roughly the same. 530 is about what I paid for my HW77K, about eighteen months ago, iirc. Worth every penny, don't get me wrong, but still _felt_ expensive.
I think the take away from this is that houses are a rip off!! May be more interesting to compare average earning. Love the channel.
Exactly
Thanks for the Video Nick. £100 in 1994 is worth £254.19 today. According to the Office for National Statistics composite price index. This is from one of the inflation calculators online. House prices have increased by about twice the rate of inflation. Your method is substantially overstating the inflation adjustment that a more standard method would give.
The Optima moonlighter was a 3-9x45. You had to state Whether required for Firearms or Air rifle. The Parrallax was adjusted and set at the factory to either 100yrds or 30yrds. It had the all new RANGEMASTER system fitted. Which means you could reset the Dial back to Zero. Technical stuff back in 1980.
My first rifle as a fifth form schoolboy was a second-hand Webley break-barrel. It cost me four quid. The 4x20 scope I added later was one pound-eighty. That may not sound much but at the time either six days and one evening on a paper round or a Saturday job would get you one pound fifty. Twenty number six was twenty-something pence and a pint of lager was sixteen pence...
House prices may have increased by 5.5x but average inflation hasn’t. Each pound spent in 1994 would be £2.66 in 2024
Yes, house prices everywhere are high because of shortages and money grubbing speculators like Black Rock etc.
If I took a Time Machine back I’d buy Venoms, Whiscombes & lots of pellets.
The Hawke Airmax 2-7X32ao scope on your HW97 is my favorite model. Great scope, already paralax free on 7,5 yards and the perfect scope for the HW30, 57 and 99S. A HW today is worth every penny, the other Tupperware rubbish on the market is way to expensive for what you get for your money Cheers buddy!
Interesting comparisons Nick. I bought my first Brand New Air Rifle in 1976- an HW 35 for (I think ) £65 in a 'long gone' gun shop in Bournemouth..up to that point I's only had BSA's. My Car at the time was a Mk1 1963 Lotus Cortina that I bought for £250 in 1974. I still have the HW 35 ...... I wish I still had the Lotus Cortina. ( ;-{)>
Happy Birthday.......
The lotus cortinas on Bangers and Cash auctions on the t.v. are going for an incredible price!!
Great content even if the house prices multiplier doesn't really work, second homes became a substitute for a private pension back in the late 80's, ' buy to let mortgages ' appeared in the nineties making investment in housing stock even easier, then you have the recent shortfall in housing stock, all factors that have pushed prices through the roof.
I bought a bsa airsporter in 1972 for 29.95 brand new 😅
I have messaged them about the 30 stock same answer everytime, we won't be doing an Hw30 stock. I think it would be a top seller for them. The number of posts you see for a custom stock for the Hw30 that doesn't break the bank.
I agree it would be a top seller if it was competitively priced👍 the HW30 deserves a nice bit of walnut furniture on it.
Interesting comparison. All sporting goods have got cheaper. CNC machining means high quality manufactured products are much more affordable (in terms of disposable income and the cost of living) than they used to be. When I got back into airguns about 10 years ago, having not shot or owned one for about 40 years, I was pleasantly surprised how affordable (compared to the prices I remember from back in my yoof) quality springers were. The first new gun I bought was a LGV and it cost me around £400. I'm an angler, too and the same applies to fishing tackle. The downside of automated production is that it costs firms a lot to tool up for production runs, which is probably why CS reckon it isn't worth their while to offer a HW30 stock. They wouldn't sell enough to recoup the investment.
Great and interesting perspective. Thanks
3:42 You should have bench marked against average wages, whatever that is.
Definitely, wages have trebled in that time, so it would work out about right
Great vid Nick…. Jay off AGF. 👍👍👍 and Happy Birthday for Friday. 🎉
House price is not a hood way to judge because it's inflated by powers at be, should go by weekly wage then and now, say a postman or policeman
Keep them videos coming to the states nick. Happy Birthday to ya
Happy birthday for tomorrow Nick. Have a good one.
Happy Birthday.🎉 I can tell ya the prosport isn't cheap.😂 Growing up we didn't have two nickels to rub together..lol. so we shot the crosman's and were proud to have them. Fast forward many decades, and I now have some top dogs, HW's and AA's.
Love you but your point is invalid. Yes, there are productivity improvements so we have better stuff now and it's cheaper to buy.
However, people like you and me have enjoyed stable, easy-entry jobs that paid us enough to buy a house on a single income.
A 25 year old now CAN buy an air rifle for cheaper - if only they have anything left after rent, food and transport.
And they have to have "10 years of experience in a technology that only existed for 2 years" just to be able to submit their CV along with 500 others... And then hear from their boss every day that "we are losing sleep over searching for the AI that will replace you finally"
Happy birthday 😊, back in 1983 i bought a brand new Hw77k in .22 for £120, Tuned from Airgun centre in Rayleigh (I now know all they did was pump grease inside it🙄) Tasco 4x40 wide angle £30, can't remember how much the one peice mount, gun bag and pellets were but it was all bought with Birthday and Christmas money and I used to clean cars at the weekend 😅 kid's spend thousands on computers and gaming now! , different world we live in, ive still got the 77 with a TBT kit in it😊
I think i paid about £140ish for my HW80 in late 1988. Still got it. Just fitted a vortek kit and new seal. Still fantastic.
Should have fitted a tbt kit 😅
Vortek seals are fantastic but their spring&guide kits, in my experience, are horribly over sprung shoulder-breakers.
1990 I bought a Theoben Sirocco for £549 which was 3 months take home pay for a 2nd year apprentice.
Good comparisons, thank you
Happy Birthday! 🎉🎈😃👍
Thank you! 😃
Good job in convincing me that all house prices are inflated. Cannot be used as a reference point. Food, fuel, wages, etc
Absolutely, bit buy quality , buy once , buy cheap buy twice .....please have u released a dedicated tbt kit , with spring guide for a bsa airsporter s ...mk2 airsporter but s model ....so o ring piston head....I want the spring, top hat , slip washer and spring guide with bum slide and spring grease .....love the vids ❤
In the mid eighties my wage per week was less than that HW80 , and that was top line not take home pay !
I know that you had to base the comparison on something, but house prices are not the best measure as they are way overpriced.
Probably a fairer gauge would be average wage 👍
Average wage has risen slower than the price of anything you buy. I chose a house as we all have or rent one.
Probably!
Hi,love your channel.i also loved the 90s guns and airgun magazines,being in my mid forties i have started looking back with nostalgia.one gun I always wanted was a Colchester gamekeeper.do u remember this rifle?anyway cheers for the great videos.
In the April 1982 Copy of airgun World. At the airgun centre. The price of a HW80 is £72.50.
I remember buying a brand new hw80 it was £190. Today there nearly £600 a lot of money for a springer
Happy birthday brother ❤❤😊👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
I paid £175 in 87 for a second hand Theoben Sirocco and I've still got it !
.22 quality product.
+1 on a custom hw30 stock, that would be great. Needs to be light though
Lol, nice vid mate, we all moan about prices, but cheaper manufacturing generally means cheaper costs nowadays, (rightly or wrongly). 8-)
I wonder what the average wage was then compared to now
Eh, house prices are being "artificially" inflated by politicians, various companies, funds, etc etc buying them all up so I wouldn't really say that is a fair comparison. Going just off of inflation that £33 scope would only be £68.12. Competition in the industry and technological advances keep prices on airguns and scopes lower than what they might be these days.
Not sure on that, has anything only just over doubled in the last thirty years? The standard measure is prices double every ten years or so….
@@tbtairrifletuning1520 Well, the Bank of England inflation calculator is what I used via Google to get that figure. I guess inflation vs buying power would be a bit different.
Video games have stayed around the same for the last 30 years based on base editions. Comparing prices pre vs post covid for most things would probably be the most shocking as that is where I have seen the highest increases. Pellet prices have doubled if not tripled in the last 5 years. What used to be a $6 tin of JSB pellets now goes for $15-$20. Same for housing, last 5 years prices have skyrocketed.
@@tbtairrifletuning1520 My electricity bill has doubled in a lot less than that. And I'm watching food prices creep up by 10% PER WEEK. And house prices are absurd. Never mind doubled - add a zero. I was looking up my parents' old property recently, market value now _more than_ *ten times* what it went for, thirty-odd years ago. We're being robbed, mate. edit: Oh, forgot - rents have doubled, where I am, in the last five, alone.
You can buy a hw80 in Germany for 409 euros👍
average salary hasnt had 5x increase though
Some things are more than 5x, some are less. I had to choose one thing, so I chose something we all have. A home! (Rental has gone up more in most areas)
Good optics have got cheaper but you’ve still got to pay in various budgets to get something good thr gap between good and cheap has become better now
Springers like Weihrauchs are relatively cheaper now than they were in the 70s & 80s if you look at average incomes. I think it was even worse in the 1950s when buying an Airsporter would mean doing a paper round for about 30 years …
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I'd pay a visit to Venom arms mate
I wished you had Rachel Riley on hand for that one😂😂😂 And when you run out of ideas for new guns, everyone needs a B2 and a B3 in there armoury. I tell you what, with a little tinkering and 25mtrs my b2 is up there with my HW30s.😱😱😱.
Now then, a video on the B2 would be fun!
@stevejeffcoat7672 🤣🤣you could do part 1,2 and 3 just stripping and sanding the awful stock😱.
I visited Air Arms when the TX was just being launched the two gents responsible offered me beech stocked TX 200 [only stock available] for sixty pounds each provided I bought half a dozen. I did not take them up on the offer nearly did was extremely tempted , and not been a day since that I did not regret my stupidity. But the story highlights just how worried the directors were about the success of the gun, in fact so worried were they the first production run did not bear a serial number. I am a big fan of air arms springers I have owned many over the years, and still own three. Trouble is Nick you are in France ??? have you received posted guns from the UK via standard post office/ parcel force since you been there. I have two webleys I want to post to Britany but have been so troubled at the thought of losing them I have not got round to it.
Good example of why Mr Blair and Brown took house prices out of inflation figures..the economy would have gone into blind panic yrs ago..£700 a week..we wish, we can't afford what's made in Britain it's why we import everything..very interesting video on lots of levels 👍👍
Happy birthday for Friday and thanks for the entertainment I hope you enjoy all the comments you’ve just provoked.
happy birthday
Work on the principal that prices double every 10 years😮
maths on the year , deliberate mistake or did rachel from accounts do the sums ....
That might be the one in the description…….😁
I do enjoy complaining, just ask anyone who knows me! 🤣
Happy birthday today my friend, your calculating method unfortunately is flawed using houses
Your a bit out on your CS stock prices
I used their website?
You are wrong house prices are high because of manipulation .hedgefunds ..while work and products are in competition .with china and orher countrys
£309 to buy a house in 2024. Was it a dolls house ?
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Over last 26 years £ inflation has been 3.11% per year. So £100 in 1999 now equates to £221.47. So you need to halve the quotes you have been giving here.
Three percent? lol, yeah, riiiight... Someone's cooking the books.
81 99£ fwb sport...think gave same airgun centre for org 50 type 01.beast with scope! No tripod 😂😂😂 first hobble 82 £10 aday! Labourering! Due to Maggie's government 🖕
I just checked ( for the fun of it ) the price here in Canada of a Weihrauch HW80 22 cal, it's $927 CDN, convert this to Pounds Sterling ( via Google ) and it about 526.23, is that your price today in the U.K. generally? Oh by the way, for us to buy one, we have to add approximately another $75.CDN for shipping then 15% sales tax on top of that and it comes to $1152.30 Canadian dollars,.. convert that total to Pounds Sterling, and it's about 651 Pounds landed at my door. Oh boy oh boy!
Without the shipping and taxes, that's roughly the same. 530 is about what I paid for my HW77K, about eighteen months ago, iirc. Worth every penny, don't get me wrong, but still _felt_ expensive.