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If he didnt his content would not be worth watching because you would not be able to trust the words coming out of his mouth. just like every sponsership in every video ever, cant trust what they are actually saying
The tasks weren't that fun, but as a casual player who isn't high level in the main game, I really enjoyed this gamemode as it let me try out everything runescape had to offer! I agree with the garbage UI though, was really tedious to manage. All in all this league was the most fun for me as a very casual player.
That's what made me quit, the tasks were not fun. If they just cut down the necessary number of tasks to progress by like half so I could choose to do certain things vs scouring the world for every possible task I would have kept playing.
Agreed!! My friends and i have done some really high level content that we cannot do on our mains. I see lots of problems people have - especially people who are already at endgame content
What bothered me that hasn't been much talked about is the curve (or lack of) of sages renown. You go from scrambling for a few renown to unlock a skill to having nothing to use them for quite suddenly. Having the costs go up as you unlock things would have made the decisions more impactful.
They did that, people complained it was too expensive, they nerfed the cost. Now I find a comment complaining about it being too cheap 🙄 osrs fanbase will never be happy
@@lanegaming31 It was just more expensive all around and deciding to make the early game less frustrating at the cost of later game purpose in a temp game mode is understandable.
The problem is actually more fundamental than that. Sages Renown unlocks were meant to restrict your account like the last 2 leagues, but the design of fragments pushes you to do everything, which you are completely allowed to do.
I'm still so salty I missed out on League 1, I love Kourend. Leagues 3 is neat with the mix and match playstyle but without the area restriction aspect it can feel a bit too much like normal. For me learning obscure ways to do things due to area restrictions was a big part of the appeal. I would absolutely play something like a redo of leagues 1 with different relics or gimmicks, simpler than the current system but keeping that area lock. IDK how long they could keep that going though.
I thought the league was a blast, just got worn out of it and got the points i needed for the cosmetics i wanted. For the first 3 weeks I agree with your intro
What I loved about Trailblazer League was that you could take one look at someone's character and know which relics and areas they chose. Your journey and your progress was represented by your decisions. I was rocking Ahrims with Infinity Boots, Ancient Staff and a Malediction Ward in Trailblazer, and that told someone exactly what they needed to know about my journey.
Coming from someone who didn't play the first two leagues.. I'm loving this one and very glad I finally gave it a try. Just unlocked T7 and excited to push for Rune. I even started a good week or two late. I see where some of the frustration with the league is coming from, but I don't think it is broken.. seems like it just isn't as good as Trailblazer. Which lets be honest, there is going to be good leagues, okay leagues, and not the greatest leagues. They can't and wont only get better each year, one of those things that will come and go.
I'm glad it wasn't just me... I had such a good time in leagues 2 but leagues 3 even made me feel burnt out on regular OSRS and ive been on a break since
Am I the only one curious about the remix that starts at 1:04 as the intro!?! I looked for top comments and didn't find anything 🤔 Does a full version exist yet!? Tal did such a sick job with the original, I neeeeed this!!!
Didn’t enjoy this league as much as the last. The beginning felt way too grindy this time, wasn’t as friendly to newer players, and the whole relic system was just not optimized enough.
I hate the fact that the fragments can only be earned by RNG means. I literally still have fragments I haven't got because I don't do specific content that drops those fragments. And on top of that, I hate how you have to level up the fragments to make them more powerful, if they started at level 3 when you got them, it would be a lot more fun.
@@ikillyou121 gotta get out of your comfort zone and go do that content you're missing, if it's bossing you're hesitant about I know some fragment setups to help cheese
agreed. Jagex went too hard on this gamemode, like all they thought about was the youtubers and content creators making big videos about their journey. They forgot that people who don't play this game as a living wanted something fun, that doesn't require the time commit equal to a full time job lol they totally forgot causals play their game...
I love how someone came up with a UI plugin that saved loadouts by themself in less than a week's time yet jagex was like sorry guys we are just going to have to do it next league 🤷♂️
It's a strange concept isn't it? We see this with many games that allow plugins or mods and it's usually one person doing it. Like how can one person create this utility so fast but an entire company doesn't have at least a few employees who can do the same.
Yeah it seemed to me really early on that simply having presets implemented would've been the obvious fix for so many issues, and I was honestly surprised that they didn't have such a feature. (also rip me, I didn't know of the RL plugin)
I quit around 7.8k points. Felt I had invested enough of my life, getting anything higher would require actual commitment that is just no longer possible with a career
I loved this league, and I thought everything you said pretty much summed up every issue. UI of course was awful, but as someone who doesn't know all the end game content, I got overwhelmed really quick after getting my tier 6 relic. I would love if there was more direction like you said, something that at least gave you a location or objective to complete that was pertinent to your current phase in the game.
Oh I *absolutely* would have quit this league weeks ago without the preset plugin. Mind-boggling that jagex didn't realize it would be a requirement. Swapping out two fragments from a selection of like 10? Fine, I can deal. Swapping out 7 fragments with ALL of them unlocked? Fucking kill me
Honestly, that kind of overwhelming openness is why I didn't get into runescape as a kid - a lack of "direction" is hard to get past, for me, same reason I bounced off of destiny 2.
@@blommeeee Did some research and found out it's a unreleased remix of the shattered relics trailer song. It is still unfinished, but it's expected to be released afaik.
Great video J1m. My own burnout definitely had the UI as a big reason but also a couple other things: 1. Fragment acquisition and leveling were incredibly inconsistent. The fishing, cooking, mining, thieving, and farming fragments leveled up quite quickly via doing the skills; miscellaneous fragments were pretty frustrating to get but still seemed to come in fairly consistently, while crafting and herblore fragments seemed incredibly rare. (I didn't get all the crafting fragments until 97 crafting and got zero herblore fragments by level 80.) And given that a crafting fragment was required for T3 absolute unit, which seems to be the meta for a lot of endgame content, it contributed heavily to burnout. 2. Defender grind. The drop rates for non-dragon defenders were, for some reason, not reduced during either Leagues 2 or 3. This led to the cyclops room being absolutely packed during the first week or so of leagues (a friend of mine said this was the case even at 4AM his time on a server in his country.) Consistent cyclops kills were all but impossible, and the grind felt like it took longer than it usually does during the main game despite the relics speeding the actual kills up. The last thing you want in a temporary, sped-up game mode is for a fairly necessary grind to feel longer than normal. 3. Having to unlock skills did not feel good. It was novel for a few hours, then it just felt like a slog. And by the time all the skills were unlocked, I had little motivation to do the tasks for those skills as I'd already grinded out four 99's for what felt like pittances.
Defender grind was absolutely awful, you're right about that. The skill unlocks were a neat idea but in reality due to requirements, it basically just left me spinning around like, gotta get herblore to unlock this quest, which unlocks this other thing which unlocks an efficient way to train crafting and so on. It was really nice that they halved the cost of skills eventually but it seemed a bit late for my experience.
I loved Trailblazer and it's still my favourite Leagues out from the 3. Twisted league felt very slow and cumbersome and Shattered league then felt too large to take in within restricted time. With the fragments I could do most activities more efficiently than in Trailblazers. But I didn't like that because I CHOSE what I wanted to do efficiently. But in Leagues III it feels like if I don't do everything, I feel left behind. It's an Ironman mode after all where you have to do everything by yourself rather than focus on 1 thing and then buy the other stuff what you didn't want to do. But eventually I played Shattered Relics for 20k points. I only did tasks which were not-too grindy like 25m farming or 150 contracts. I mostly did tasks where you had to beat a boss once, within certain time limit or with a challenge like Vorkath without being hit by special for 5 kills. Those were relying to me rather than to the game in terms of RNG based tasks = unique drops. And lastly, I didn't like to grind same boss for hundreds of kills just for the points - which I wouldn't even enjoy to do. I hope next leagues will be more fascinating than this one. Jagex should take notes what went wrong and how to implement Trailblazers kind of league again without repeating old scheme of area restrictions.
I think a few things were mildly problematic, and they all combined to make it a slog. First, 3x drop rate just isn't enough for such a short game mode. Going dry isn't uncommon, and going 600 kills on bandos before getting tassets was truly awful. Going over 700 kc on demonics for my first zenyte was worse. Second, the unlock system was really unpleasant, honestly. Parts of it weren't bad, but especially the pre-nerf costs for skill unlocks were crazy. And then once you had everything, you'd just stack up hundreds of renown with nothing to spend it on. I thought renown was a far more interesting incentive to do tasks than just the league points, but without anything to spend renown on (like, maybe buy some conveniences like guaranteed minimum clue steps or something?) it fell way short of its potential. Third, I just don't know if fragments are gonna be it, man. Especially the imbalance of them, where melee fragments and relic sets were just objectively better than their ranged and mage counterparts. The constant switching was tedious, and having to try to figure out which fragments and which sets to use was not fun at all. I would've much preferred a system more like their previous relic system, which definitely needed iteration but wasn't terrible. This one just feels bad to use. There are other issues, but these three were really big for me personally.
Me and a lot of buddies were talking about the droprate issue. Each of us went 3x the adjusted drop rates of several key items and during each of our respective dry streaks we all considered just quitting the game. This also happened last league where people I knew quit after doing hundreds of kills for something like a bandos hilt just to go dry. I really think they should add some kind of grace kc or something that limits just how unlucky you can get. I currently am at 34k points after spending almost a week and a half doing 400 corrupted gauntlet kc just to not get the BoFa and now be so behind everyone else. Not saying its unfair cause i did get lucky elsewhere but that grind almost made me not want to play the rest of the game mode.
The whole issue with the relics is insane - it's exactly as J1mmy says, I can't move from one grind to another without having to sit there and think through my combinations. It just makes you not want to move to another activity. I've been casually playing the past 2 leagues, but this is the only one I stopped halfway through due to boredom. Yeah I have 99s and 25mils, but I wasn't having fun - I got those because I didn't want to go swap out relics.
Great points as always jim, amazing editing and advertisement as well. I will say, i am shocked at how agile you are, being able to sit atop of roofs, ships, walls, stools, and rocks.
The thing I missed in this league versus the last was how different the relics and choices made the game feel. I had 3 alts I played in trailblazer just so I could play with each combat style and the areas that were efficient for them
My three complaints that prevented me from even trying Leagues (resubbing to members). 1.) Bad UI. 2.) Most the tasks were boring. 3.) Information overload. Trailblazers was amazing. Only downside in my opinion was how punishing it was for not selecting OP locations/relics. Perhaps replicate an experience similar to trailblazers. Give some forgiveness. Such as being able to unlock an item (via some challenge, grind, or milestone) to be able reselect a relic. Still punishing for not choosing an optimal path, but not a league-experience crusher.
As a completionist, I thought this was perfect league for me. Quit around 5k points. Big reason for it was my need for efficiency, I wanted to do all things in a region, then realised its not sorted by distance, meaning I had 20 different tasks to do and whenever I did one, next one I felt 'damn, I could have done this along the way :C'. Did do all tasks in sorcoress garden tho
Amazing video, really hit the nail on the head with this one. I hope they listen to this and simplify / bring back the core principle of "making around 10 decisions total" next year.
I didn't stick around long enough for the presets plugin, after they rebalanced the points requirements to unlock skills and stuff and give a billion fragments at a time I basically got everything for free and it essentially made the original restrictions obsolete. Then it was just massive xp mode. Yeah, I could max my account in a month but it just felt pointless. Because everyone could just do it however they want and still achieve the same it just had no strategy or meaningful competition.
I know I'm unique, but as a person who started OSRS 2 weeks before Leagues 3 by coincidence, this has been absolutely perfect for me. It basically skyrockets me to endgame and lets me learn about training every single skill without the thousands of hours required to get there in normal RS. My main account has most of my skills at 1, and I didn't even know what most of them did going into Leagues, and now I'm going for a Leagues max cape. Not to mention the tasks forced me to familiarize myself with a ton of content I wouldn't have known about otherwise. Again, I'm a unique case, but this has been an incredible way to actually learn the game on an accelerated timescale.
I am at the exact same situation, I started playing a little before leagues and I became a member the day before so I could play it. Really great way to see stuff it will take ages to reach on my main
The thing is, previous leagues also gave casual players the ability to experience end game/obscure content, but this one was more complicated than previous iterations and turned a lot of people off
Love your vids jim! Although you seemed to forget that the exact same player dropoff happened for leagues 2. I was there until the very end, and the last few weeks everything was absolutely barren. Also, permanent relic choices were extremely stressful and created this unhealthy mindset of "oh god I've ruined my account" when a player regretted the decision down the line. You know how you said people had meltdowns when trying to optimize set effects? I had the same thing trying to pick which relic to unlock in trailblazer. Not to mention most people just copied a streamer meta anyway, killing any uniqueness. I think the shattered relic system is the best, and things like area restrictions could be built on top of that. You're 100% right about the UI though, shoutouts to the preset gigachad
Definitely something to be said (from a content standpoint) for the end game of shattered being very homogenous, while trailblazer was so different for each series Didn’t enjoy watching more than 1 leagues series this league, watched every one last season
Very well said, you nailed the most important reasons. One thing I would add though is the point system. Early-mid game was fun, but I feel like everything became unlocked WAY too fast. So many skills could be bought, and you could make those same renown points back in less than 20min of doing the skill you just spent them on, which made it feel a lot less rewarding since there was virtually no drawback. And then came the update that halved the point cost for most of the unlocks. It didn't take long for me to reach the point of "well i'll probably never kill this boss in this league, but I have an ungodly amount of unspent points so I'll just unlock it anyways", and most unlocks ended up feeling hollow In less words, why was trailblazer better than shattered relics? skill tree > a clusterfuck of clunky mix n match buffs
As someone who only played this league i can say, i liked it, surely not a lot and i too think the interface was too bad, but it did make a casual player like me play the game in ways i didn't before. In this next league i want to try killing bosses, i want to try gauntlet, TOA, zulrah, all bosses i wouldn't manage to because i'm bad at the game, but with the help of the relics i might have a chance. I would just love if they made a relic that makes the player ignore PvM mobs overhead prayers when hitting them, just so the bosses are easier for me since i won't need to keep changing gear, yeah, it would be very OP, but hey, ain't that the whole point of the leagues?
I've been having a ton of fun, went almost 600kc dry at bandos for hilt, I'm almost maxed, and I've been learning a ton of new content that I can take over to the main game
I just got to t7 yesterday, after all the grinding I was excited to finally start bossing, try some bosses I have never done, etc. Well now I just feel like I'm grinding for no reason, I won't get dragon rank, I already can get the cannon cosmetic. I just feel like if I'm grinding, I might as well keep grinding my main..
I recently got back into RuneScape in November last year and created a new account for it because I'm a former rs3 player. I decided not to do the League because I was still pretty new to OSRS and I was laying out a lot of goals that I wanted to focus on. After seeing all of the negative feedback I'm happy with my decision, but I'm definitely interested in doing the next league
Questing was the target of an unneeded nerf in Leagues III imo. As an ironman, quests are an integral part of getting early xp but Leagues III made quest reward xp unobtainable unless you had the skill unlocked. This guts the early game options. You should still get xp from the quest even if the skill isn't unlocked because you're not doing the skill itself. No one wants to come back as a med-high level account and do tedious quests for xp that doesn't matter. Opting to instead "buy" quest completion later on doesn't make up for it. You're being prohibited from playing like an ironman and then later being punished for playing the way they want you to play.
i think you worded this beautifully. as someone who has been playing runescape for years and has a decent amount of knowledge on the game i felt pretty overwhelmed wondering what i should do next, debating on doing certain quests before skill unlocks because i didnt want the quest xp to go to waste, etc. it was too much for my liking, i feel like i invested so many hours and i still will only get a steel trophy at the end of this lol
The big thing that ended hindering my overall enjoyment of the league was actually when they cheapened all of the skill unlock costs. I definitely think them reducing the KC tasks of certain bosses and even reducing the cost to unlock bosses was a good move, but I thought the original skill costs were actually pretty good. It made having to decide which skill to unlock next and actual weighted decision and not just "ahh so what do I feel like doing next?" After they refunded all of the points, I had 200+ SR that I had no idea what to spend on. I only needed 3-4 skills left to unlock, so I just unlocked them and then played for like another week and then quit. I felt like all of my decisions up until that point were moot and it took away a lot of the satisfaction about actually acquiring those skills (you know, the actual _real_ restriction we had this league lol). I dunno, I think it was fun idea in theory but definitely could've been executed a lot better.
I was about tp type something similiar. Reducing the renown costs was what made it feel so incredibly similiar to the normal game. The best part of each leagues is the figuring out what to do when and planning ahead. There was some of that at the start. What quests to do when for not missing out on exp rewards, which skills to unlock when, what do you need first,etc. Without that aspect the entire concept of the league was dead
please can someone tell me the music at 1:04 ? it is sooo freaking amazing. It was probably J1mmy who did it but i can't find it anywhere not even in the description, unless im blind :p
love the video editing you put into this video. Especially the runescape chairs/seats. I'll tell you something you probably don't hear enough, I'm proud of you bud. I can't wait for the next video or song. Which ever comes first.
I had a ton of fun with leagues up until I unlocked every skill/quest/relic I wanted. Then I couldn’t come up with any short term goals I cared enough to go for knowing that it would all be wiped away.
I'm surprised you didn't mention combat relics being asinine to get. Those were AWFUL to get and aren't obtained in the way you were used to getting relics, so a friend of mine quit because she based her plan off getting some of them and rushing Corrupted...but she couldn't because they weren't obtained by xp drops like the non-combat relics and there was no indication this was the case.
Meta standing for "most effective tactic available" is a backronym, it's not the actual source of the term. Meta is simply a prefix that means "about" or "around". In gaming, the term was originally metagame, the part of the game which isn't explicit in the mechanics but rather is about them, i.e. the strategy, which got shortened to meta over time.
I both enjoyed and hated this league, this was my first one and i was just far too overwhelmed by everything, i enjoyed it at first but then ended up burning out since it didnt feel like a massive difference from main game, yes the xp was better and relics changed the way i played somewhat its just that it never felt like i was hitting any sort of power level like i heard was possible the last 2 leagues, like, seeing even the low tier relics from past leagues i can sre how they wouldve insanely changed the way you play but the fragments didnt do that much and throw on top the horrible interface making it so much harder to figure out how to arrange your frags to get the most out of them and it was just underwhelming
@@BrettBernier thats my point, none of these fragments feel in anyway like the advertised boost in power, yes you have things that help but even when combined to make them stronger they dont feel anywhere near league's of the past have hyped relics up to being
This league was like I was in the passenger seat of a car trying to dictate directions to somewhere I've never been but the map was taped to the rear bumper; so every time I wanted to check which way to go we had to pull over to the shoulder and get out
I've played every league, and I feel like this has been the best one. Sure there's a few problems but it's not as if the other ones didn't have flaws. I think you just need to be organized at the start to know what to rush and where the most points are gonna be profited per time spent, which I'll admit might have been hard with the way the ui was laid out
Shattered Relics was massively let down by both its UI and arbitrary Task selection. Don't get me wrong, everything they did was both ambitious and impressive, but it just did way too much. It should've been either a skills locked grind-a-thon with tons of XP bonuses, or a progression-restricting task-completion-a-thon. Both combined was just a nightmare, and it was really easy to corral yourself into a very bad path that got you stuck in the very early tiers.
I remember scrolling through that task list so damn much, then give up and go to the wiki, which has them slightly more organized. I kinda gave up when I was 4 weeks in, trained some random skill and randomly got points for a task I never knew existed. And yeah, I often based my decision of what to do next on what relics I'd already equipped so I didn't have to change them every goddamn time, just to forget something. Needless to say, I didn't do many farm runs. Oh, and I took a 2 week break in those 4 weeks. Now I'm back in the main game, just because it's less tedious.
With all the interface wrestling I'm actually glad I went the "inefficient" route of just doing quests instead of skipping them and reaping that xp, since basically all quests except the really hard bosses you just keep on trailblazer + last recall and teleport around like a maniac. * bank, last recall, bank, last recall, bank, last recall * Dwarf: Okey dokey, here's your death talisman.
Something I would like to add, I was very big in the RuneScape Discord and Reddit, and the biggest feedback throughout Trailblazer, besides RNG BAD. was the constant FOMO of picking your regions and relics. Many people asked for respecs or just a full repeat of Trailblazer to try other paths, so, we sort of brought this upon ourselves.
As someone who has still not actually ever made it to “late-game” in osrs, I opted not to try leagues because I want the first time I experience high level content (eventually!) to be in “vanilla” osrs. I felt worried that I would set myself up with false expectations about how easy/hard different bosses are when you fight using all the cool relics. One thing I don’t like that much about rs3 is double exp/bonus exp time-limited events that encourage players to play an unhealthy/unreasonable amount of time per day, this is another reason that I was not interested in leagues, it seemed like the gamemode would encourage me to go sweaty mode to get to all the content, which just doesn’t work for me. That being said I absolutely enjoyed watching some youtubers have fun speedrunning/playing leagues! Also, it’s worth mentioning, for those who haven’t tried rs3 in recent years, I think if you enjoyed aspects of leagues such as auto-banking, you might appreciate some aspects of rs3. There are divination (and a divination skill!) items called signs of portents (if I remember correctly, it’s been a minute) that can be equipped in the ammo slot and used for this purpose. And the teleport system in leagues is kinda like the rs3 lodestone network.
that's me who made the preset plugin! I had been really looking forward to playing Leagues, but I was in the same position... definitely wouldn't have kept playing if I had been stuck with the default UI. so when Jagex announced that they weren't going to do anything about it, I went to build it, really just for selfish reasons so I could actually have fun. I'm glad it helped you and others, too!
I'm a very casual on and off osrs player. I played the hell out of the last two leagues. The problem I faced with this one was that the very start felt difficult for a kind of nooby player. Last season you started with an OP gathering profession, I looked up a task, "ya I can level this up real quick and do that" this league, being throttled by skills and having a slower ramp up. I found myself getting frustrated and doing more googling on how to do this and that rather than just playing the game.
I thought leagues 3 was a blast off the start, being able to switch between different relics and not having that feeling of “I wish I chose this relic for this tier instead” was amazing. But it was extremely tedious having to switch between them all the time. Not being area locked was great for the same reason, but with every other decision you had to make throughout the league in terms of efficiency (what skills to unlock when, what quests to auto complete, which bosses you should unlock first) it just felt like you had way too much on your mind. Gaining xp in relics was extremely tedious as well, I didn’t even want to waste time training herblore until I had unlocked level 3 mixologist because of how much easier it would become so I’d mine pure ess for 5 hours. And the relics being RNG based meant you would sometimes get level 80-90 before even getting the relic for skills like herblore and crafting. All in all, good concept but a lot of room for improvement.
j1mmy, can you or ANYONE please tell me where I can find the song that plays from 1:05 ? I've tried shazam and it can't even find it either. PLEASE? :"(
I absolutely agree. My experience so far: When I started, I had no idea what to unlock with renown. I was just like "well there are trees around, might aswell unlock wc" But then it turns out that its best to read the tasks on wiki to see that some skills were more rewarding than the others. So unlocking all skills and tier 7 took me too long. So then I focused on maxing. Idk even why, because I maxed in trailblazer and it was nothing new. But I guess I wanted all the skill restrictions to be gone(shortcuts, diaries, etc). Now I have no bloody idea what to do. I see people are getting 25m in skills because its easy, fast and points. But I also see most tasks are still going towards pvm(also best set effects favor melee but not mage or range to the same extent). And I either have to pvm like hundreds of kills and get a specific drop. Which to me burns me out even faster. So im barely 30k points, in trailblazer I had 48k. I dont think I will get close to 48k this time and I will not get a dragon cup ever, but dragon cup is also unreachable because of irl stuff, cant play 12h+ every single day. Overall I did enjoy it in between when I was maxing and not focusing on points but now there are many bosses I dislike and dont wanna go get drops or kc. So maybe I will just skill to 25m or something. Anyway great video with good points, keep up the good work! Also thanks for manscaped. I think like a year or 2 ago, because of your videos I bought at the time the lawn mower 2.0 package or something. Its great.
Missed out on Trailblazers due to a crazy busy schedule and I was really excited for Leagues 3. The sheer overload of information, terrible UI, and the whole map being open all at once made me feel overwhelmed by all the different things to do and how to plan so I gave up after an hour. Here's to next year haha.
j1mmy, i watch youtube as my main source of entertainment. I have a lot of youtubers that i follow, but i have a huge fuckin crush on your videos. I'm writing this before watching. I FUCKIN LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. I never skip over your uploads. Whatever you're doing, its working
My first day at my new job was the first day of leagues so I hardly had the time to play it like I wanted to. But yeah, you totally hit the nail on the head. Constantly having to completely reshuffle my fragments was super annoying.
When they first announced the league at summer summit I thought that the unlocking of things would be limited, for example you can only unlock a certain amount of bosses/skills, not all of them, which might have made for some more interesting choices on this skills front, not sure about the bosses? I do agree though, the fragments are what exhausted me in the end, just too much to manage constantly and too many different systems to keep track of. I think at one point I finished my current goal and just the thought of working out what to do next was too much so i went back to the main game. I hope the next league returns to the formula of the first 2 with just a few really impactful decisions, rather than loads of less impactful decisions.
I quit osrs years ago but came back just for leagues 2. The best part for me was powering through all the old gameplay and quests I did when I was younger, and mega dopamine from getting GWD items and other boss drops. Really it was just a fast-paced nostalgia trip from me. I broke the top 8000 on the leader board with rune tier, without the last recall relic. I still enjoyed myself immensely. Boy did leagues 3 not interest me though, I'd come back for a leagues 2.5 or something.
I think the biggest issue with shattered relics was how much of a pain early renown was to get. The first 5 odd skills unlocked were the hardest because you had to consider what you wanted to be able to do now vs later, then they just made them all dirt cheap which meant basically everybody could unlock everything that day. Imo they should have made ranking up give a nice dolop of Renown and keep the prices as was. The whole 'unlock content but you can get all content' thing was probably to prevent the issue of picking a bad relic at the start and basically ruining your chances at a high rank, or relics being changed or balanced *cough* area locked clues *cough* which was massively unfair to people who already locked in a choice. But this made an issue of this league basically being "Timed ironman, but you have 16x xp, 3x drops and you're basically god if you use relics", it's not hugely interesting outside of the wack stuff you can do with some relics like AFK melee fight caves and 10 second Zulrah kills, and it has the issue of too much choice. Trailblazer worked because unlocking a new area gave you lots to do but never too many possibilities, with this league it's very easy to get overwhelmed and not know what t odo next, I know I had that problem early on. I'm happy because I'm burnt out on the grinding aspect of runescape rather than the content so experiencing it but faster is nice. Theperfect League for me would be trailblazer but fragment relics, the strongest parts of both leagues I've played.
loved the video! this league was a great example of how important good UX/UI is to facilitating game design, especially for a game that values efficiency of all forms, and how important it is to consider UX when designing an experience. you can see a similar thing in wow with freely changing specs/talents and how they had to consider making these changes as easy as possible on players with action bars being saved, allowing more places to change talents/introducing the consumable that lets you change them wherever, etc. and a common social situation where you're even more pressured to adhere to the meta or pressured to be flexible because it became so easy to change. that being said, wow's "issues" were pretty minor compared to this league's UX issues! also, just wanted to correct/inform a small thing in the video since it's a common misconception and i am a huge nerd that cares: "most effective tactic available" is a backronym, actually. meta is a shortening of metagame, which was first applied to modern gaming like 20 years ago from a magic the gathering designer, talking about the metagame as everything to do with the layer right above the actual game rules and logic--pre-game decisions, post-game takeaways, community discussions, strategies and tactics that are applied to the game, etc. and eventually this term became more and more about the communities ideas of how the game should be played, rather than all the ways it can be played, because that's a pretty useful term to have
The thinking ahead thing is to ridiculously accurate the entire time I’ve found myself in a rabbit hole of I have to do this to do that to do this to do that
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Man please I'm begging you don't make me think about your immaculately smooth balls
What was that bomb ass song with the beat in the intro?
I'm a big fan j1mmy
Whats the intro song??
hey its me sponsorblock add-on guy. get it
Damn, you sat on a lot of Runescape objects in this video man
Slavscape
Hey its that guy that can't win gielinor games.
Your face seems jealous of the runescape objects dad
I really dig this whole “sitting on random crap in runescape” motif
hes sitting on everything but me D:
The General Sam influence is real, God bless
it's not a motif
@@rushingdown he did win that cowboy showdown that determined if he could keep copying him or not
@@rushingdown Right? Surprised no one else notices how much he copies from GS.
Love that j1mmy has enough freedom as a content creator to both make RuneScape promos, but isn’t silenced when things aren’t working
I think thats the way it should be normally.
Yeah me too
I dont think Jagex has anything against constructive criticism
If he didnt his content would not be worth watching because you would not be able to trust the words coming out of his mouth.
just like every sponsership in every video ever, cant trust what they are actually saying
@@CodingWithUnity even j1mmy's sponsorships aren't trustworthy, manscaped is trash
The tasks weren't that fun, but as a casual player who isn't high level in the main game, I really enjoyed this gamemode as it let me try out everything runescape had to offer! I agree with the garbage UI though, was really tedious to manage. All in all this league was the most fun for me as a very casual player.
That's what made me quit, the tasks were not fun. If they just cut down the necessary number of tasks to progress by like half so I could choose to do certain things vs scouring the world for every possible task I would have kept playing.
Agreed!! My friends and i have done some really high level content that we cannot do on our mains. I see lots of problems people have - especially people who are already at endgame content
Tasks sucked. The best way to achieve more power was to do 100, 200, 300 kills of the same boring boss
Exactly. Actually get to see priff
I agree. Im super casual but this was a chance to try the content I never got to in the main game. Barrows was really cool!
What bothered me that hasn't been much talked about is the curve (or lack of) of sages renown. You go from scrambling for a few renown to unlock a skill to having nothing to use them for quite suddenly. Having the costs go up as you unlock things would have made the decisions more impactful.
Yeah I tried playing it and the beginning felt so slow, meanwhile I saw TH-camrs doing the most overpowered things ever.
They did that, people complained it was too expensive, they nerfed the cost. Now I find a comment complaining about it being too cheap 🙄 osrs fanbase will never be happy
@@lanegaming31 It was just more expensive all around and deciding to make the early game less frustrating at the cost of later game purpose in a temp game mode is understandable.
@@lanegaming31 scaling would have been nice instead of flat expenses that shifted wildly from too expensive to cheap as hell
The problem is actually more fundamental than that. Sages Renown unlocks were meant to restrict your account like the last 2 leagues, but the design of fragments pushes you to do everything, which you are completely allowed to do.
I'm still so salty I missed out on League 1, I love Kourend. Leagues 3 is neat with the mix and match playstyle but without the area restriction aspect it can feel a bit too much like normal. For me learning obscure ways to do things due to area restrictions was a big part of the appeal.
I would absolutely play something like a redo of leagues 1 with different relics or gimmicks, simpler than the current system but keeping that area lock. IDK how long they could keep that going though.
I feel like they shouldn't redo this soon. Give it another 2 years at least then add a serious twist. ... Like twisted twisted. A square twist
played all 3, trailblazer was the best
I'm still salty I missed out on Leagues 2, especially since so many people talk about how awesome it was.
I enjoyed twisted league the most out of them all for sure, it was so good and truly restricted
The first leagues was unreal, second one was awful and this one was decent
Meta isn't an acronym! Most efficient tactic available is a backronym!
Was looking for this comment lol
yeah, exactly! It comes from "metagame," i.e. the discourse about how to play the game.
Thank you.
Really appreciate that other people know this. "Meta" has existed as a prefix long before video games ever existed.
Which by definition is an acronym.. all backronyms are acronyms but not all acronyms are backronyms.
I thought the league was a blast, just got worn out of it and got the points i needed for the cosmetics i wanted. For the first 3 weeks I agree with your intro
What I loved about Trailblazer League was that you could take one look at someone's character and know which relics and areas they chose. Your journey and your progress was represented by your decisions. I was rocking Ahrims with Infinity Boots, Ancient Staff and a Malediction Ward in Trailblazer, and that told someone exactly what they needed to know about my journey.
Coming from someone who didn't play the first two leagues.. I'm loving this one and very glad I finally gave it a try. Just unlocked T7 and excited to push for Rune. I even started a good week or two late. I see where some of the frustration with the league is coming from, but I don't think it is broken.. seems like it just isn't as good as Trailblazer. Which lets be honest, there is going to be good leagues, okay leagues, and not the greatest leagues. They can't and wont only get better each year, one of those things that will come and go.
I'm glad it wasn't just me... I had such a good time in leagues 2 but leagues 3 even made me feel burnt out on regular OSRS and ive been on a break since
Sameeeee
trailblazer was really fun. I didnt try shattered relics because... it just looked overwhelming.
Am I the only one curious about the remix that starts at 1:04 as the intro!?! I looked for top comments and didn't find anything 🤔 Does a full version exist yet!? Tal did such a sick job with the original, I neeeeed this!!!
Hello, what's the original song called by Tal?
Between two worlds, it's linked in Jimmy's description.
I also wanna find it badly lol.
Did you manage to find it? I'm looing for it and I can't find it on YT
You know what, I completely forgot and tried looking again. Still no idea!
Didn’t enjoy this league as much as the last. The beginning felt way too grindy this time, wasn’t as friendly to newer players, and the whole relic system was just not optimized enough.
I hate the fact that the fragments can only be earned by RNG means. I literally still have fragments I haven't got because I don't do specific content that drops those fragments. And on top of that, I hate how you have to level up the fragments to make them more powerful, if they started at level 3 when you got them, it would be a lot more fun.
@@ikillyou121 gotta get out of your comfort zone and go do that content you're missing, if it's bossing you're hesitant about I know some fragment setups to help cheese
agreed. Jagex went too hard on this gamemode, like all they thought about was the youtubers and content creators making big videos about their journey. They forgot that people who don't play this game as a living wanted something fun, that doesn't require the time commit equal to a full time job lol
they totally forgot causals play their game...
I love how someone came up with a UI plugin that saved loadouts by themself in less than a week's time yet jagex was like sorry guys we are just going to have to do it next league 🤷♂️
It's a strange concept isn't it? We see this with many games that allow plugins or mods and it's usually one person doing it. Like how can one person create this utility so fast but an entire company doesn't have at least a few employees who can do the same.
Yeah it seemed to me really early on that simply having presets implemented would've been the obvious fix for so many issues, and I was honestly surprised that they didn't have such a feature. (also rip me, I didn't know of the RL plugin)
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I quit around 7.8k points. Felt I had invested enough of my life, getting anything higher would require actual commitment that is just no longer possible with a career
with your career* im gaming fella
I literally did the bare minimum to get what I wanted in game and haven't been on since lol
I loved this league, and I thought everything you said pretty much summed up every issue. UI of course was awful, but as someone who doesn't know all the end game content, I got overwhelmed really quick after getting my tier 6 relic. I would love if there was more direction like you said, something that at least gave you a location or objective to complete that was pertinent to your current phase in the game.
Oh I *absolutely* would have quit this league weeks ago without the preset plugin. Mind-boggling that jagex didn't realize it would be a requirement.
Swapping out two fragments from a selection of like 10? Fine, I can deal. Swapping out 7 fragments with ALL of them unlocked? Fucking kill me
I probably would have played if I knew that existed
I didn't even know about the plug in lol, I wrote them down on sticky notes
Honestly, that kind of overwhelming openness is why I didn't get into runescape as a kid - a lack of "direction" is hard to get past, for me, same reason I bounced off of destiny 2.
Humans thrive under constraints. Its why the more you define the scope of a problem and your solution pool the easier it is to solve.
Get back on D2
1:23 to 1:55 I really like the beat to this. is there a song to this? Would love to listen to it more. Also great video! Keep it up. :)
Shazam didn’t find anything :/
Damn that track slaps, anyone know the title yet?
Sadly not :(
@@blommeeee Did some research and found out it's a unreleased remix of the shattered relics trailer song. It is still unfinished, but it's expected to be released afaik.
@@yannickj3h nice ty
Great video J1m. My own burnout definitely had the UI as a big reason but also a couple other things:
1. Fragment acquisition and leveling were incredibly inconsistent. The fishing, cooking, mining, thieving, and farming fragments leveled up quite quickly via doing the skills; miscellaneous fragments were pretty frustrating to get but still seemed to come in fairly consistently, while crafting and herblore fragments seemed incredibly rare. (I didn't get all the crafting fragments until 97 crafting and got zero herblore fragments by level 80.) And given that a crafting fragment was required for T3 absolute unit, which seems to be the meta for a lot of endgame content, it contributed heavily to burnout.
2. Defender grind. The drop rates for non-dragon defenders were, for some reason, not reduced during either Leagues 2 or 3. This led to the cyclops room being absolutely packed during the first week or so of leagues (a friend of mine said this was the case even at 4AM his time on a server in his country.) Consistent cyclops kills were all but impossible, and the grind felt like it took longer than it usually does during the main game despite the relics speeding the actual kills up. The last thing you want in a temporary, sped-up game mode is for a fairly necessary grind to feel longer than normal.
3. Having to unlock skills did not feel good. It was novel for a few hours, then it just felt like a slog. And by the time all the skills were unlocked, I had little motivation to do the tasks for those skills as I'd already grinded out four 99's for what felt like pittances.
Defender grind was absolutely awful, you're right about that. The skill unlocks were a neat idea but in reality due to requirements, it basically just left me spinning around like, gotta get herblore to unlock this quest, which unlocks this other thing which unlocks an efficient way to train crafting and so on. It was really nice that they halved the cost of skills eventually but it seemed a bit late for my experience.
I loved Trailblazer and it's still my favourite Leagues out from the 3. Twisted league felt very slow and cumbersome and Shattered league then felt too large to take in within restricted time. With the fragments I could do most activities more efficiently than in Trailblazers. But I didn't like that because I CHOSE what I wanted to do efficiently. But in Leagues III it feels like if I don't do everything, I feel left behind. It's an Ironman mode after all where you have to do everything by yourself rather than focus on 1 thing and then buy the other stuff what you didn't want to do.
But eventually I played Shattered Relics for 20k points. I only did tasks which were not-too grindy like 25m farming or 150 contracts. I mostly did tasks where you had to beat a boss once, within certain time limit or with a challenge like Vorkath without being hit by special for 5 kills. Those were relying to me rather than to the game in terms of RNG based tasks = unique drops. And lastly, I didn't like to grind same boss for hundreds of kills just for the points - which I wouldn't even enjoy to do.
I hope next leagues will be more fascinating than this one. Jagex should take notes what went wrong and how to implement Trailblazers kind of league again without repeating old scheme of area restrictions.
I think a few things were mildly problematic, and they all combined to make it a slog.
First, 3x drop rate just isn't enough for such a short game mode. Going dry isn't uncommon, and going 600 kills on bandos before getting tassets was truly awful. Going over 700 kc on demonics for my first zenyte was worse.
Second, the unlock system was really unpleasant, honestly. Parts of it weren't bad, but especially the pre-nerf costs for skill unlocks were crazy. And then once you had everything, you'd just stack up hundreds of renown with nothing to spend it on. I thought renown was a far more interesting incentive to do tasks than just the league points, but without anything to spend renown on (like, maybe buy some conveniences like guaranteed minimum clue steps or something?) it fell way short of its potential.
Third, I just don't know if fragments are gonna be it, man. Especially the imbalance of them, where melee fragments and relic sets were just objectively better than their ranged and mage counterparts. The constant switching was tedious, and having to try to figure out which fragments and which sets to use was not fun at all. I would've much preferred a system more like their previous relic system, which definitely needed iteration but wasn't terrible. This one just feels bad to use.
There are other issues, but these three were really big for me personally.
Me and a lot of buddies were talking about the droprate issue. Each of us went 3x the adjusted drop rates of several key items and during each of our respective dry streaks we all considered just quitting the game. This also happened last league where people I knew quit after doing hundreds of kills for something like a bandos hilt just to go dry. I really think they should add some kind of grace kc or something that limits just how unlucky you can get. I currently am at 34k points after spending almost a week and a half doing 400 corrupted gauntlet kc just to not get the BoFa and now be so behind everyone else. Not saying its unfair cause i did get lucky elsewhere but that grind almost made me not want to play the rest of the game mode.
Jagex should have made it so you could spend excess renown on buffing your drop rate multiplier.
The whole issue with the relics is insane - it's exactly as J1mmy says, I can't move from one grind to another without having to sit there and think through my combinations. It just makes you not want to move to another activity.
I've been casually playing the past 2 leagues, but this is the only one I stopped halfway through due to boredom. Yeah I have 99s and 25mils, but I wasn't having fun - I got those because I didn't want to go swap out relics.
Great points as always jim, amazing editing and advertisement as well. I will say, i am shocked at how agile you are, being able to sit atop of roofs, ships, walls, stools, and rocks.
Damn where can I find the remix of the song at the beginning
The thing I missed in this league versus the last was how different the relics and choices made the game feel. I had 3 alts I played in trailblazer just so I could play with each combat style and the areas that were efficient for them
My three complaints that prevented me from even trying Leagues (resubbing to members).
1.) Bad UI.
2.) Most the tasks were boring.
3.) Information overload.
Trailblazers was amazing. Only downside in my opinion was how punishing it was for not selecting OP locations/relics. Perhaps replicate an experience similar to trailblazers. Give some forgiveness. Such as being able to unlock an item (via some challenge, grind, or milestone) to be able reselect a relic. Still punishing for not choosing an optimal path, but not a league-experience crusher.
As a completionist, I thought this was perfect league for me.
Quit around 5k points. Big reason for it was my need for efficiency, I wanted to do all things in a region, then realised its not sorted by distance, meaning I had 20 different tasks to do and whenever I did one, next one I felt 'damn, I could have done this along the way :C'.
Did do all tasks in sorcoress garden tho
Lol sad
@@pliit2101 why would it ever be sorted by distance....
Amazing video, really hit the nail on the head with this one. I hope they listen to this and simplify / bring back the core principle of "making around 10 decisions total" next year.
I didn't stick around long enough for the presets plugin, after they rebalanced the points requirements to unlock skills and stuff and give a billion fragments at a time I basically got everything for free and it essentially made the original restrictions obsolete.
Then it was just massive xp mode. Yeah, I could max my account in a month but it just felt pointless. Because everyone could just do it however they want and still achieve the same it just had no strategy or meaningful competition.
3:16 was brilliant, very well done
I really like all the places in osrs you sit. Editing yourself sitting everywhere genuinely was super entertaining
I know I'm unique, but as a person who started OSRS 2 weeks before Leagues 3 by coincidence, this has been absolutely perfect for me. It basically skyrockets me to endgame and lets me learn about training every single skill without the thousands of hours required to get there in normal RS. My main account has most of my skills at 1, and I didn't even know what most of them did going into Leagues, and now I'm going for a Leagues max cape. Not to mention the tasks forced me to familiarize myself with a ton of content I wouldn't have known about otherwise. Again, I'm a unique case, but this has been an incredible way to actually learn the game on an accelerated timescale.
I am at the exact same situation, I started playing a little before leagues and I became a member the day before so I could play it. Really great way to see stuff it will take ages to reach on my main
The thing is, previous leagues also gave casual players the ability to experience end game/obscure content, but this one was more complicated than previous iterations and turned a lot of people off
6:34 I hope that isn't swamp man's dropped rune xbow
jimmy drop the fucking between two world remix man
Love your vids jim!
Although you seemed to forget that the exact same player dropoff happened for leagues 2. I was there until the very end, and the last few weeks everything was absolutely barren.
Also, permanent relic choices were extremely stressful and created this unhealthy mindset of "oh god I've ruined my account" when a player regretted the decision down the line. You know how you said people had meltdowns when trying to optimize set effects? I had the same thing trying to pick which relic to unlock in trailblazer. Not to mention most people just copied a streamer meta anyway, killing any uniqueness. I think the shattered relic system is the best, and things like area restrictions could be built on top of that.
You're 100% right about the UI though, shoutouts to the preset gigachad
Definitely something to be said (from a content standpoint) for the end game of shattered being very homogenous, while trailblazer was so different for each series
Didn’t enjoy watching more than 1 leagues series this league, watched every one last season
Very well said, you nailed the most important reasons.
One thing I would add though is the point system. Early-mid game was fun, but I feel like everything became unlocked WAY too fast. So many skills could be bought, and you could make those same renown points back in less than 20min of doing the skill you just spent them on, which made it feel a lot less rewarding since there was virtually no drawback.
And then came the update that halved the point cost for most of the unlocks. It didn't take long for me to reach the point of "well i'll probably never kill this boss in this league, but I have an ungodly amount of unspent points so I'll just unlock it anyways", and most unlocks ended up feeling hollow
In less words, why was trailblazer better than shattered relics?
skill tree > a clusterfuck of clunky mix n match buffs
That clip of you sitting on a roof is clean af- Edit after watching further , God damn this shits beautiful
As someone who only played this league i can say, i liked it, surely not a lot and i too think the interface was too bad, but it did make a casual player like me play the game in ways i didn't before.
In this next league i want to try killing bosses, i want to try gauntlet, TOA, zulrah, all bosses i wouldn't manage to because i'm bad at the game, but with the help of the relics i might have a chance.
I would just love if they made a relic that makes the player ignore PvM mobs overhead prayers when hitting them, just so the bosses are easier for me since i won't need to keep changing gear, yeah, it would be very OP, but hey, ain't that the whole point of the leagues?
I've been having a ton of fun, went almost 600kc dry at bandos for hilt, I'm almost maxed, and I've been learning a ton of new content that I can take over to the main game
I feel your pain. It was 670 kc for my bandos hill
798KC here, while having 11 boots...
btw i talked to Ash on Twitter about presets, before the plugin.
He said, "Yea that sounds like a good idea for future leagues."
lol
J1mmy wtf that song at @ 1:00 to like 1:45 is a banger, i cant shazam it n you DIDNT LINK IT IN THE DESCRIPTION.... anyone know the name?
tal made a remix of his own song for fun, hasn’t been released anywhere but here lmao
@@J1mmy Please tell him to release it, it's so damn good that i've digged through this comment section 4 times in hopes to find the song of the name
the interruption at 3:16 to like the video was genius and non invasive and i loved it good job Jimothy
I just got to t7 yesterday, after all the grinding I was excited to finally start bossing, try some bosses I have never done, etc. Well now I just feel like I'm grinding for no reason, I won't get dragon rank, I already can get the cannon cosmetic. I just feel like if I'm grinding, I might as well keep grinding my main..
imo for every league they should make one server afterwards where you can just play what the League was forever
I really wish this league had loadouts for these fragments before the plug-ins
I recently got back into RuneScape in November last year and created a new account for it because I'm a former rs3 player. I decided not to do the League because I was still pretty new to OSRS and I was laying out a lot of goals that I wanted to focus on. After seeing all of the negative feedback I'm happy with my decision, but I'm definitely interested in doing the next league
Questing was the target of an unneeded nerf in Leagues III imo. As an ironman, quests are an integral part of getting early xp but Leagues III made quest reward xp unobtainable unless you had the skill unlocked. This guts the early game options. You should still get xp from the quest even if the skill isn't unlocked because you're not doing the skill itself. No one wants to come back as a med-high level account and do tedious quests for xp that doesn't matter. Opting to instead "buy" quest completion later on doesn't make up for it. You're being prohibited from playing like an ironman and then later being punished for playing the way they want you to play.
i think you worded this beautifully. as someone who has been playing runescape for years and has a decent amount of knowledge on the game i felt pretty overwhelmed wondering what i should do next, debating on doing certain quests before skill unlocks because i didnt want the quest xp to go to waste, etc. it was too much for my liking, i feel like i invested so many hours and i still will only get a steel trophy at the end of this lol
The big thing that ended hindering my overall enjoyment of the league was actually when they cheapened all of the skill unlock costs. I definitely think them reducing the KC tasks of certain bosses and even reducing the cost to unlock bosses was a good move, but I thought the original skill costs were actually pretty good. It made having to decide which skill to unlock next and actual weighted decision and not just "ahh so what do I feel like doing next?"
After they refunded all of the points, I had 200+ SR that I had no idea what to spend on. I only needed 3-4 skills left to unlock, so I just unlocked them and then played for like another week and then quit. I felt like all of my decisions up until that point were moot and it took away a lot of the satisfaction about actually acquiring those skills (you know, the actual _real_ restriction we had this league lol). I dunno, I think it was fun idea in theory but definitely could've been executed a lot better.
I was about tp type something similiar. Reducing the renown costs was what made it feel so incredibly similiar to the normal game. The best part of each leagues is the figuring out what to do when and planning ahead. There was some of that at the start. What quests to do when for not missing out on exp rewards, which skills to unlock when, what do you need first,etc.
Without that aspect the entire concept of the league was dead
please can someone tell me the music at 1:04 ? it is sooo freaking amazing. It was probably J1mmy who did it but i can't find it anywhere not even in the description, unless im blind :p
Is it a meme to shit on the current league? Cuz i could have sworn people didnt like the last one and everyone quit one week in
love the video editing you put into this video. Especially the runescape chairs/seats. I'll tell you something you probably don't hear enough, I'm proud of you bud. I can't wait for the next video or song. Which ever comes first.
Yo Jim whats the name of the song at the start my man?
Or don't credit anyone, it's cool 🤣
I had a ton of fun with leagues up until I unlocked every skill/quest/relic I wanted. Then I couldn’t come up with any short term goals I cared enough to go for knowing that it would all be wiped away.
I'm surprised you didn't mention combat relics being asinine to get. Those were AWFUL to get and aren't obtained in the way you were used to getting relics, so a friend of mine quit because she based her plan off getting some of them and rushing Corrupted...but she couldn't because they weren't obtained by xp drops like the non-combat relics and there was no indication this was the case.
So change the plan and adapt. Or better yet try just playing for fun sometime wtf
Meta standing for "most effective tactic available" is a backronym, it's not the actual source of the term. Meta is simply a prefix that means "about" or "around". In gaming, the term was originally metagame, the part of the game which isn't explicit in the mechanics but rather is about them, i.e. the strategy, which got shortened to meta over time.
I both enjoyed and hated this league, this was my first one and i was just far too overwhelmed by everything, i enjoyed it at first but then ended up burning out since it didnt feel like a massive difference from main game, yes the xp was better and relics changed the way i played somewhat its just that it never felt like i was hitting any sort of power level like i heard was possible the last 2 leagues, like, seeing even the low tier relics from past leagues i can sre how they wouldve insanely changed the way you play but the fragments didnt do that much and throw on top the horrible interface making it so much harder to figure out how to arrange your frags to get the most out of them and it was just underwhelming
i was a ranged POWERHOUSE in the last league. This one i'm just slightly better in all 3 styles
@@BrettBernier thats my point, none of these fragments feel in anyway like the advertised boost in power, yes you have things that help but even when combined to make them stronger they dont feel anywhere near league's of the past have hyped relics up to being
This league was like I was in the passenger seat of a car trying to dictate directions to somewhere I've never been but the map was taped to the rear bumper; so every time I wanted to check which way to go we had to pull over to the shoulder and get out
Was going to try this league but at a second glance it looked waaaay too complicated and not for me. Thanks Jimmy
J1m going nuts with these sitting edits, how insane a green seat in front of a green screen can be
I've played every league, and I feel like this has been the best one. Sure there's a few problems but it's not as if the other ones didn't have flaws. I think you just need to be organized at the start to know what to rush and where the most points are gonna be profited per time spent, which I'll admit might have been hard with the way the ui was laid out
Shattered Relics was massively let down by both its UI and arbitrary Task selection.
Don't get me wrong, everything they did was both ambitious and impressive, but it just did way too much.
It should've been either a skills locked grind-a-thon with tons of XP bonuses, or a progression-restricting task-completion-a-thon. Both combined was just a nightmare, and it was really easy to corral yourself into a very bad path that got you stuck in the very early tiers.
Can't wait to see the subreddit cry because Jimmy had an opinion. 10/10 video.
I remember scrolling through that task list so damn much, then give up and go to the wiki, which has them slightly more organized. I kinda gave up when I was 4 weeks in, trained some random skill and randomly got points for a task I never knew existed. And yeah, I often based my decision of what to do next on what relics I'd already equipped so I didn't have to change them every goddamn time, just to forget something. Needless to say, I didn't do many farm runs. Oh, and I took a 2 week break in those 4 weeks. Now I'm back in the main game, just because it's less tedious.
Meta is not an acronym, its a backcronym. It came from the term metagame or metagaming originally, it was only later people made it into an acronym.
With all the interface wrestling I'm actually glad I went the "inefficient" route of just doing quests instead of skipping them and reaping that xp, since basically all quests except the really hard bosses you just keep on trailblazer + last recall and teleport around like a maniac.
* bank, last recall, bank, last recall, bank, last recall *
Dwarf: Okey dokey, here's your death talisman.
Imagine questing in leagues when you get more points than u need
Something I would like to add, I was very big in the RuneScape Discord and Reddit, and the biggest feedback throughout Trailblazer, besides RNG BAD. was the constant FOMO of picking your regions and relics. Many people asked for respecs or just a full repeat of Trailblazer to try other paths, so, we sort of brought this upon ourselves.
As someone who has still not actually ever made it to “late-game” in osrs, I opted not to try leagues because I want the first time I experience high level content (eventually!) to be in “vanilla” osrs. I felt worried that I would set myself up with false expectations about how easy/hard different bosses are when you fight using all the cool relics.
One thing I don’t like that much about rs3 is double exp/bonus exp time-limited events that encourage players to play an unhealthy/unreasonable amount of time per day, this is another reason that I was not interested in leagues, it seemed like the gamemode would encourage me to go sweaty mode to get to all the content, which just doesn’t work for me. That being said I absolutely enjoyed watching some youtubers have fun speedrunning/playing leagues!
Also, it’s worth mentioning, for those who haven’t tried rs3 in recent years, I think if you enjoyed aspects of leagues such as auto-banking, you might appreciate some aspects of rs3. There are divination (and a divination skill!) items called signs of portents (if I remember correctly, it’s been a minute) that can be equipped in the ammo slot and used for this purpose. And the teleport system in leagues is kinda like the rs3 lodestone network.
I refuse to believe that meta is an acronym.
It's just shorthand for the metagame, or the next level of gaming.
1:25 Trackname pls?
@J1immy i need it sooooo bad pls
A big ass microphone is the only thing between J1mmy and identity theft *BADDAAH*
Also didn't help they removed the only semi-limitation by lowering the sage's renown cost to basically nothing.
Sitting in front of Settled's crossbow while you quote him.... art
Frickin loved this league
Having said that, I agree wholeheartedly with the UI bits. Thank you relic plugin dude from the bottom of my gnads
The rap from last leagues still slaps SO HARD
Dude League’s literally got me back into OSRS. Genuinely has been the most fun ive had playing in years.
that's me who made the preset plugin! I had been really looking forward to playing Leagues, but I was in the same position... definitely wouldn't have kept playing if I had been stuck with the default UI. so when Jagex announced that they weren't going to do anything about it, I went to build it, really just for selfish reasons so I could actually have fun. I'm glad it helped you and others, too!
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I'm a very casual on and off osrs player. I played the hell out of the last two leagues. The problem I faced with this one was that the very start felt difficult for a kind of nooby player. Last season you started with an OP gathering profession, I looked up a task, "ya I can level this up real quick and do that" this league, being throttled by skills and having a slower ramp up. I found myself getting frustrated and doing more googling on how to do this and that rather than just playing the game.
I thought leagues 3 was a blast off the start, being able to switch between different relics and not having that feeling of “I wish I chose this relic for this tier instead” was amazing. But it was extremely tedious having to switch between them all the time. Not being area locked was great for the same reason, but with every other decision you had to make throughout the league in terms of efficiency (what skills to unlock when, what quests to auto complete, which bosses you should unlock first) it just felt like you had way too much on your mind. Gaining xp in relics was extremely tedious as well, I didn’t even want to waste time training herblore until I had unlocked level 3 mixologist because of how much easier it would become so I’d mine pure ess for 5 hours. And the relics being RNG based meant you would sometimes get level 80-90 before even getting the relic for skills like herblore and crafting. All in all, good concept but a lot of room for improvement.
j1mmy, can you or ANYONE please tell me where I can find the song that plays from 1:05 ? I've tried shazam and it can't even find it either. PLEASE? :"(
I love your style in this video. For some reason, the fact that you're sitting makes me so much more comfortable
Good luck with your move J1mmy, loving the videos that are still coming out
I absolutely agree.
My experience so far:
When I started, I had no idea what to unlock with renown. I was just like "well there are trees around, might aswell unlock wc" But then it turns out that its best to read the tasks on wiki to see that some skills were more rewarding than the others. So unlocking all skills and tier 7 took me too long.
So then I focused on maxing. Idk even why, because I maxed in trailblazer and it was nothing new. But I guess I wanted all the skill restrictions to be gone(shortcuts, diaries, etc).
Now I have no bloody idea what to do. I see people are getting 25m in skills because its easy, fast and points. But I also see most tasks are still going towards pvm(also best set effects favor melee but not mage or range to the same extent). And I either have to pvm like hundreds of kills and get a specific drop. Which to me burns me out even faster. So im barely 30k points, in trailblazer I had 48k. I dont think I will get close to 48k this time and I will not get a dragon cup ever, but dragon cup is also unreachable because of irl stuff, cant play 12h+ every single day.
Overall I did enjoy it in between when I was maxing and not focusing on points but now there are many bosses I dislike and dont wanna go get drops or kc. So maybe I will just skill to 25m or something.
Anyway great video with good points, keep up the good work!
Also thanks for manscaped. I think like a year or 2 ago, because of your videos I bought at the time the lawn mower 2.0 package or something. Its great.
Apparently i was also just saying meta not knowing its an acronym. Thanks jim, you learn something new every day hahaha.
Is that remix of the song or whatever it is available anywhere?
Missed out on Trailblazers due to a crazy busy schedule and I was really excited for Leagues 3. The sheer overload of information, terrible UI, and the whole map being open all at once made me feel overwhelmed by all the different things to do and how to plan so I gave up after an hour. Here's to next year haha.
j1mmy, i watch youtube as my main source of entertainment. I have a lot of youtubers that i follow, but i have a huge fuckin crush on your videos. I'm writing this before watching. I FUCKIN LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. I never skip over your uploads. Whatever you're doing, its working
the most interesting thing about this leagues has been watching DitterBitter chase ranks.
My first day at my new job was the first day of leagues so I hardly had the time to play it like I wanted to. But yeah, you totally hit the nail on the head. Constantly having to completely reshuffle my fragments was super annoying.
When they first announced the league at summer summit I thought that the unlocking of things would be limited, for example you can only unlock a certain amount of bosses/skills, not all of them, which might have made for some more interesting choices on this skills front, not sure about the bosses? I do agree though, the fragments are what exhausted me in the end, just too much to manage constantly and too many different systems to keep track of. I think at one point I finished my current goal and just the thought of working out what to do next was too much so i went back to the main game.
I hope the next league returns to the formula of the first 2 with just a few really impactful decisions, rather than loads of less impactful decisions.
I quit osrs years ago but came back just for leagues 2. The best part for me was powering through all the old gameplay and quests I did when I was younger, and mega dopamine from getting GWD items and other boss drops. Really it was just a fast-paced nostalgia trip from me. I broke the top 8000 on the leader board with rune tier, without the last recall relic. I still enjoyed myself immensely. Boy did leagues 3 not interest me though, I'd come back for a leagues 2.5 or something.
I think the biggest issue with shattered relics was how much of a pain early renown was to get.
The first 5 odd skills unlocked were the hardest because you had to consider what you wanted to be able to do now vs later, then they just made them all dirt cheap which meant basically everybody could unlock everything that day.
Imo they should have made ranking up give a nice dolop of Renown and keep the prices as was.
The whole 'unlock content but you can get all content' thing was probably to prevent the issue of picking a bad relic at the start and basically ruining your chances at a high rank, or relics being changed or balanced *cough* area locked clues *cough* which was massively unfair to people who already locked in a choice.
But this made an issue of this league basically being "Timed ironman, but you have 16x xp, 3x drops and you're basically god if you use relics", it's not hugely interesting outside of the wack stuff you can do with some relics like AFK melee fight caves and 10 second Zulrah kills, and it has the issue of too much choice. Trailblazer worked because unlocking a new area gave you lots to do but never too many possibilities, with this league it's very easy to get overwhelmed and not know what t odo next, I know I had that problem early on.
I'm happy because I'm burnt out on the grinding aspect of runescape rather than the content so experiencing it but faster is nice. Theperfect League for me would be trailblazer but fragment relics, the strongest parts of both leagues I've played.
loved the video! this league was a great example of how important good UX/UI is to facilitating game design, especially for a game that values efficiency of all forms, and how important it is to consider UX when designing an experience. you can see a similar thing in wow with freely changing specs/talents and how they had to consider making these changes as easy as possible on players with action bars being saved, allowing more places to change talents/introducing the consumable that lets you change them wherever, etc. and a common social situation where you're even more pressured to adhere to the meta or pressured to be flexible because it became so easy to change. that being said, wow's "issues" were pretty minor compared to this league's UX issues!
also, just wanted to correct/inform a small thing in the video since it's a common misconception and i am a huge nerd that cares:
"most effective tactic available" is a backronym, actually. meta is a shortening of metagame, which was first applied to modern gaming like 20 years ago from a magic the gathering designer, talking about the metagame as everything to do with the layer right above the actual game rules and logic--pre-game decisions, post-game takeaways, community discussions, strategies and tactics that are applied to the game, etc. and eventually this term became more and more about the communities ideas of how the game should be played, rather than all the ways it can be played, because that's a pretty useful term to have
The thinking ahead thing is to ridiculously accurate the entire time I’ve found myself in a rabbit hole of I have to do this to do that to do this to do that