As soon as the video mentioned Drop Starting I knew the comments section would be full of experts. Here's the facts folks : When you're instructing you always teach to NEVER drop start a saw. When you're getting paid to make stumps the usual way is to drop start. The comments section really shows the boys from the men.
Let it sit and idle after you are done using it to allow the saw to cool down if you have been running it at Full Throttle for a long time already. 👍🏻 never done a test, but I've heard it will save wear and tear on the saw
Drop-starting warm works just fine with some saws. Some, not a good idea. Depends on nose-heaviness, required force on rope. Chain-brake optional, IMO. Starting with rear handle inside left knee works fine cold- only way with some of mine. No prob there in 40+ yrs.
Had an older cousin who drop started his saw all the time. I did that also. But one day when he tried it the bar popped up and cut one or both of the big arteries in his neck going to his brain. That was in Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Personally, I can think of better things to do other than watching my heart pump all my blood out of my neck so I won't drop start a yo-yo anymore. I can't believe they teach that as an option. About 30 years ago a guy walked into the hospital in State College, Pennsylvania and the saw cut his neck all the way across but only nicked those 2 vessels. He was the luckiest guy in the world that day.
I agree about being surprised they teach the drop technique, but they did say to only do that to a warmed up chainsaw. I imagine the cold ones are more prone to injure. Of course, that might be a "most of the time" thing, not always. And who's to say exactly when a recently warm chainsaw crosses the threshold into being cold.
It's not a dick measuring competition, i've been working with my hands since i was a small boy on my Fathers farm hence my hands and arms are plenty big and strong enough. If there wasn't a viable alternative to drop starting i'd say fair enough, drop start away. It's much better and easier to clamp the rear handle of the saw between the legs with the left hand on the front handle then the right hand is free to pull the starter cord.
WorkSafeBC Massive safety fail regarding chain brake testing. You never test it with the palm of your hand because if you miss and don't engage the brake your hand goes right onto a moving chain. Test by rolling the back of your wrist forward - hand never leaves the saw and no risk of injury. I would take that out of your video pronto before someone does that accidentally and sues you.
It's obvious, drop starting means you only have one hand on the saw hence little or no control. There are only two ways to start a saw, one is the cold start which is performed on the ground and the other is the hot start which is where the rear handle of the saw is clamped between the legs. I'm amazed that drop starting is even given as an option on an a video series which is supposed to have safety and best practice at it's core. Never ever drop start a chainsaw.
Drop start? Yes, only one hand's on the saw ... but it's the left hand up on the anti-vibration bar away from the trigger, so you're only at idle. (And yeah, you can drop start left handed pull too if your bars up resting on a log - just push the saw down with your right rather than the pull rope up with the left, or even some of each, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here.) Your idea about having the handle between your legs... who the hell does that? It sounds almost comical - are you in OZ, or left handed, or maybe something else we're missing?
@@MrThenry1988 My cousin drop started his saw all the time then he all but cut his head off. I did also since the early 70s. No more though. No way. ain't gonna happen. Foot in handle or handle between legs.
No, why would you not do a drop starting? It has never been a recommended way to start a saw however If you do not have man hands or strong arms and a good grip as you should on a saw, there is little evidence to show this as a safety issue. Would love to see otherwise as we use this system only when the saw has been in use and is warmed up. The only dangerous drop start is one where a amateur holds the handle at the trigger tip with the blade pointing down at his feet and legs..that's a no-no!
LOL Drop starting is fine by me,if you do it properly....you don't hold the saw in your right hand and pull with your left.... And WTF does it matter when the chainbrake is engaged anyhow...lol No drop starting is/should be for the homeowners that are not out there logging day in and day out.
Find information and resources on manual falling & bucking here: www.worksafebc.com/en/health-safety/industries/forestry/types/manual-falling-bucking
Rev it up 1st thing once it starts on those real cold days.........saw shops will love you for it....lol
As soon as the video mentioned Drop Starting I knew the comments section would be full of experts.
Here's the facts folks :
When you're instructing you always teach to NEVER drop start a saw.
When you're getting paid to make stumps the usual way is to drop start. The comments section really shows the boys from the men.
I never rev the engine immediately after a cold start. I blip the throttle and let it idle a couple of minutes
Let it sit and idle after you are done using it to allow the saw to cool down if you have been running it at Full Throttle for a long time already. 👍🏻 never done a test, but I've heard it will save wear and tear on the saw
It is mentioned in at least some manuals.
Drop-starting warm works just fine with some saws. Some, not a good idea. Depends on nose-heaviness, required force on rope. Chain-brake optional, IMO. Starting with rear handle inside left knee works fine cold- only way with some of mine. No prob there in 40+ yrs.
Activating chain brake while chain is moving fast can loosen your chain.
Had an older cousin who drop started his saw all the time. I did that also. But one day when he tried it the bar popped up and cut one or both of the big arteries in his neck going to his brain. That was in Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Personally, I can think of better things to do other than watching my heart pump all my blood out of my neck so I won't drop start a yo-yo anymore. I can't believe they teach that as an option. About 30 years ago a guy walked into the hospital in State College, Pennsylvania and the saw cut his neck all the way across but only nicked those 2 vessels. He was the luckiest guy in the world that day.
I agree about being surprised they teach the drop technique, but they did say to only do that to a warmed up chainsaw. I imagine the cold ones are more prone to injure. Of course, that might be a "most of the time" thing, not always. And who's to say exactly when a recently warm chainsaw crosses the threshold into being cold.
A running chain will absolutely jnjure you.
I drop start often but the chain brake matters...
I don't see a problem with drop starting a saw if you put the chain brake on first.
Drop starting can cause the brake to flick off
@@harryrambo4564 Yikes. Did not know that. Have you experienced that yourself or just heard about it?
@@harryrambo4564 what brand of chainsaw did that happen on?
You didnt show how to use the bracing teeth or how to angle the saw through a log rather than cutting strait down the log at one angle.
It's not a dick measuring competition, i've been working with my hands since i was a small boy on my Fathers farm hence my hands and arms are plenty big and strong enough. If there wasn't a viable alternative to drop starting i'd say fair enough, drop start away. It's much better and easier to clamp the rear handle of the saw between the legs with the left hand on the front handle then the right hand is free to pull the starter cord.
Can anyone tell us how many injuries have come from drop starting? Let's hash this out. Show me the data.
Do I see a "walkerized" sticker on some of those saws?
how come?
Don't ever drop start a saw, a hot start is performed with the saw clamped between the legs.
Works for me, if you are not strong enough to hold a saw to drop start it, you might need a gym.
CowboyAxe yeah i like my nuts i see no reason to go yanking a saw handle in to them
WorkSafeBC Massive safety fail regarding chain brake testing. You never test it with the palm of your hand because if you miss and don't engage the brake your hand goes right onto a moving chain. Test by rolling the back of your wrist forward - hand never leaves the saw and no risk of injury. I would take that out of your video pronto before someone does that accidentally and sues you.
It's obvious, drop starting means you only have one hand on the saw hence little or no control. There are only two ways to start a saw, one is the cold start which is performed on the ground and the other is the hot start which is where the rear handle of the saw is clamped between the legs. I'm amazed that drop starting is even given as an option on an a video series which is supposed to have safety and best practice at it's core. Never ever drop start a chainsaw.
Drop start? Yes, only one hand's on the saw ... but it's the left hand up on the anti-vibration bar away from the trigger, so you're only at idle. (And yeah, you can drop start left handed pull too if your bars up resting on a log - just push the saw down with your right rather than the pull rope up with the left, or even some of each, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here.) Your idea about having the handle between your legs... who the hell does that? It sounds almost comical - are you in OZ, or left handed, or maybe something else we're missing?
I drop start my 660. 3 quick pulls and it's running. Drop started saws for 20 years.
@@bob_frazier handle between legs is 97,000,000.009 times safer than drop starting and safe people do that.
@@MrThenry1988 My cousin drop started his saw all the time then he all but cut his head off. I did also since the early 70s. No more though. No way. ain't gonna happen. Foot in handle or handle between legs.
there is no safety issue. video clearly mentions to always engage chain brake when drop starting
No, why would you not do a drop starting? It has never been a recommended way to start a saw however If you do not have man hands or strong arms and a good grip as you should on a saw, there is little evidence to show this as a safety issue. Would love to see otherwise as we use this system only when the saw has been in use and is warmed up. The only dangerous drop start is one where a amateur holds the handle at the trigger tip with the blade pointing down at his feet and legs..that's a no-no!
LOL Drop starting is fine by me,if you do it properly....you don't hold the saw in your right hand and pull with your left....
And WTF does it matter when the chainbrake is engaged anyhow...lol
No drop starting is/should be for the homeowners that are not out there logging day in and day out.