As a Garen otp, I can confirm. Shields and HP are the biggest counters. Just forget armor and stack HP, I swear, the percentage damage on his R doesn't matter if he can't even get you in range for it, Garen has no %Max HP damage outside of it and can't use Blade of the Ruined king.
Full crit garen can shred you though if you don’t stack armor even if you have 4K hp as long as garen wins lane that is and unless I am fighting a ranged top laner as garen I usually win lane by abusing the passive. A lot of people don’t play around garen passive correctly in lane and get punished for it.
U don't need defense if be can't get to you. Jokes aside armor is not going to be effective against him unless it for the early game to minimize damage early. Assuming you have 70 armor and he builds a % armor pen or none your always going to be at -20% - -60% armor.
@@punishing_birb I mean I build full crit garen in regular games when I am ahead and the enemy team isn’t building a full armor tank. It also makes sense since it allows me to murder everyone really fast including the top laner. Also thanks to phantom dancer I get more speed catching up to people than I would with a pure bruiser build to help catch people out who try to kite.
@@labirintocomplesso1273 just play kayle or camille and freescale vs him hell ev en gwen can win in an all in if she has bone plating. the best way to counter garen is to pick a scaling champ
New viewer, amazing content! If you are starting out this series, it would be really helpful if you make a playlist of the “How to Counter” series on your channel, that way they’re all in one place! Also suggestion, PLEASSEEE DO IRELIA IVE PLAYED FOR YEARS AND SHES STILL RAWDOGS ME HELPPP 😭
I can help with singed stay with your frist wave so he don't proxy if he decides to ignore frist wave and proxy any way push it fast and go back to him you can ward the start of jungle to see if he go for the second wave as long you have wave after 5 min he can't proxy
it really depends on what is your main go to when against a WW if it is an early monster like Darius then bought anti-heal at 2nd component if it is a late game champion like Kayle then don't go anti heal but rather play really safe and bought boot early if it is a tie matchup like Irelia then go anti-heal at 2nd component or set up a wave and call for jungle if it is a range champion like Vayne then play carefully don't overstep or fast push the wave since you are squishy, make sure to buy wards for the lane's bush so he can't try to deny aa
Against Yorick early game kill any ghouls before his E is of cooldown. E is also a skill shot so it is possible to dodge it if you know he wants to use it.Ghouls give you additional gold and they are his main damage early game. Late game it is mostly map awarness that counters him.
I'm just curious if you have any tips or tricks for building/playing my otp Volibear. I love the big ancient god bear, but I'm always curious to see if other people have found tech I don't know about😊
You can also utilize lifesteal and healing to counter his ult, so that he doesn't get you in his lethal range with one combo. As garen, you will have to buy antiheal in form of mortal reminder, which only helps against the healing part, not the hp part. So aatrox with sundered sky can auto just before garen ult and make it deal 0 dmg
Armor isnt that bad against garen. armor is only worse than health because of the base damage of his ult and the 25% e armor shred that only comes after he already dealt decent damage. Also you always want a mix of hp and resistences. So its not bad to build some armor when you already have steraks Randuims omen works against his e when he builds crit i think Zhonjas hourglass Guardian angel
A key note about steraks as a counter, sterak activates at 30% HP, a good garen knows that 30% hp is the threshold to kill any champ in the game with rank 2 R, so a sterak being popped is a signal for garen to ult you after the shield expires.
Good video. If i could make a request on another champion for toplane, it woulf be either fiora or mordekaiser. But if i could ask for any champion, i'd go with Heimerdinger.
The counter to %missing/max hp true dmg is usually trying to counter everything else in their kit. If they can barely do any damage other than the true dmg (via kiting or hp/resistances) you can usually stall long enough to run away or win the fight.
@bajhor7181 uhhhhh unless they changed something recently, im sorry, but that just straight up isn't true. go hop into a practice as Garen or Chogath and use your ultimate on an enemy Malphite and you'll very clearly see the damage is blocked by his passive shield.
@@MrBoingus yeah that's my bad, google quick answer is wrong, normal shields do block true dmg but sterak still makes no sense against garen, the shield scales with hp and so does the ult dmg from garen, the answer to garen depends on the matchup and your spikes, building sterak second on jax for example (which is bad into garen) is just throwing the game
@@bajhor7181steraks is amazing vs garen bro. Urgot and Garen are my main champs. As Garen you hate going vs bruisers that build steraks. It can tank out your entire ultimate. So you have to hold it for a few seconds and those few seconds usually decide the fight. Either you die or need to run away. Usually it's hard to do that because you might be committed if you've dropped enemy so low to the point steraks got proc. Trust me it's really nasty vs Garen.
@@bajhor7181 idk what is in your mind but Steraks is Garen's nightmare If a bruiser goes Steraks as 2nd then Garen has to get him to 10%-15% to bypass the shield so he can executed the champion and literally make Garen's 30%-40% execution reduced to 10%-15% how is that "bad" I really want to be toxic but on god pls don't be stubborn
Magic pen and armor pen/Black cleaver also isn’t bad because garen is guaranteed to get bonus resists from his W passive regardless of what he builds. You’ll deal much more damage to him when his W is on cooldown if you build Penetration.
A few patches ago steraks had a 60s cd which was insane sleeper as a first or second item for champ like darius who wants to spam all in early with high base stuff
You can go items like sunfire(high hp and low armor) to counter garen. Garen e reduces ur armor you should build hp but not only hp bc you also need to not get like true dmg from the garen. Also his ult can't half hp you if you build enough hp.
Honestly I'd love to know how to counter draven, If possible as aphelios. I know that I'm supposed to bully him when he gets his axes, but another than that, I'm not too sure.
Depends on your champ, but tahm has miserable waveclear so that's usually how I abuse the matchup. Phase rush and/or merc treads help. I personally play jayce, so I rush eclipse into him. There's nothing he can do if you auto 2x and leave. Save pr if he tries to engage. Just stack minion waves in a slowpush and come back to lane after basing with more gold so he's stuck in lane.
Since this is a kind of educational channel, tell us if the shield counts as hp. I noticed that garen r and jhin 4 works very very poor when target is low but shielded
Also picking champs that can either kite him easily like Vayne, Kayle, Teemo, Quinn, etc. or picking champs with bit shields in their kit such as Morde, Sett, etc, or the third secret option, Camille, who does both
@@Whisperain4 every single aspect of Camille's kit counters Garen in some way, her E long dash for escapes and engages that stuns and gives attack speed, her Q2 being hella true damage that completely bypasses Garen's W damage reduction, along with her Q giving her move speed to kite, and her passive shield not allowing Garen to fully engage
@@brosam_ i agree but the main reason people in lower elo lose that matchup is that they try to use their Q as an auto reset which is not how you use it against garen
Also, if the enemy top laner pick garen u can actually ''counter pick'' it by locking champs that have big shields, sett is a good pick but if garen take phase rush he will counter you, u can go ignite but isn't that good if garen go with phase rush, if u time correctly u can soak his ultimate damage with w and u can ''cancel'' his silence by using your ultimate when he starts the Q auto animation, take second wind and doran shield is optional, and if u build steraks u have 2 big shields, which is basically impossible to he kills you with him ultimate when u have w and steraks.
Doran's shield and second wind with a high hp regen character like garen, mundo, sett, cho gath. And take ghost. Wait until they overstep up and pop ghost run them down.
And then even if Garen has a bad matchup: ignores you lvl 1 and just proxy farms behind both your turrets. 1 E is barely enough for the whole wave and his passive is not stopped from minion autos.
I always rush boots and build streak late and at 15/20 minutes when i have 0 or 2 deaths somehow garen is 10/0 because i play in plat elo and the don't look at the map xd
Illaoi = Dodge her E, only fight when she doesn't have it. If she hits E and Ults use everything you have to run away, then play aggro and pressure her until she has ult again
Even if Garen did become a pdf unfair champ with the addition of stride, he does allow skill expression: W, high movespeed and damage will let him catch you and your team offguard. I'm sad to say that he is not just noobstomper. They really should revert attackspeed changes on E. If you wanted dmg, lethality Garen was there, but even with speed on youmuus he was obviously slower than.. this nightmare.
What attack speed changes? His E attack speed has been this way for many yesrs. Also stridebreaker doesnt make Garen's base move speed faster. He builds other items like PD or DMP etc for that
How to counter Sylas🙏🙏. When i dont ban him sometimes im doing well vs him with Liss or Anivia, sometimes... Im crying by dash/stun/heal/dmg all at once
Don't trade with him when he has Q and E. Use all your abilities before he silences you. Garen doesn't have a lot of damage after his Q E combo, so you can attack him almost freely.
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bro why is this the best league channel rn
Idk but bro doing good work
Good tips with no bullshit and easy to follow
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feels like an inside job, the dude has steraks as his pfp
Bröther.
As a Garen otp, I can confirm. Shields and HP are the biggest counters. Just forget armor and stack HP, I swear, the percentage damage on his R doesn't matter if he can't even get you in range for it, Garen has no %Max HP damage outside of it and can't use Blade of the Ruined king.
Full crit garen can shred you though if you don’t stack armor even if you have 4K hp as long as garen wins lane that is and unless I am fighting a ranged top laner as garen I usually win lane by abusing the passive. A lot of people don’t play around garen passive correctly in lane and get punished for it.
serpent fang does exist
@@Shadow-bk1imit's not like full crit garen is popular outside of arena bro
U don't need defense if be can't get to you. Jokes aside armor is not going to be effective against him unless it for the early game to minimize damage early. Assuming you have 70 armor and he builds a % armor pen or none your always going to be at -20% - -60% armor.
@@punishing_birb I mean I build full crit garen in regular games when I am ahead and the enemy team isn’t building a full armor tank. It also makes sense since it allows me to murder everyone really fast including the top laner. Also thanks to phantom dancer I get more speed catching up to people than I would with a pure bruiser build to help catch people out who try to kite.
How to counter Garen: Avoid playing in Plat rank below
he has 51.7% wr in emerald
@@Oozy007 I fucking hate playing against Garen, I'm a Garen OTP (I hate myself)
@@Madge104 🤣🤣🤣
Pretty sure even Challangers complain sometimes abt Garen's state when playing vs Erislash so the rank argument isnt really working here
He's picked in high elo too, Tyler1 started permabanning him in Masters at some point
We getting outta Iron with this one
> easy to kite
> looks inside
> phase rush
he actually needs to reach you before proc'ing pr
yeah, i dont get where this "garen is easy to kite" bs comes from, like unless you play ranged top garen is legit faster than most toplane champs
@@labirintocomplesso1273 just play kayle or camille and freescale vs him hell ev en gwen can win in an all in if she has bone plating. the best way to counter garen is to pick a scaling champ
As a Camille main, that last clip was just chef's kiss. Awesome video!! 🤩
Must say building Sterak's gage vs Garen is ingenious!
Haven't thought of that before.
Keep up the good work!
Hmmm yes yes thank you for this informative video Mr. Havoc, we- I mean the Garen Mains will never see this coming
It’s the best channel because it’s simple and direct
Quick like lol
New viewer, amazing content! If you are starting out this series, it would be really helpful if you make a playlist of the “How to Counter” series on your channel, that way they’re all in one place! Also suggestion, PLEASSEEE DO IRELIA IVE PLAYED FOR YEARS AND SHES STILL RAWDOGS ME HELPPP 😭
Thx for your videos! I know it got hard nerfed last patch but do you have some ideas to deal with skarner top?
Thx your the best 👍 can you make a video on how to play as a meele against range on top for example against Heimerdinger or teemo
Damn bro. Tyler 1 requested this video?
You are gaining subscribers fast. I like it. Singed likes this.
I no longer play LOL, but your vids are always fun to watch haha
Pls give us how to play against Warwick (especially laning phase)
Singed, Renek and Yorick would also be good Videos imo
I can help with singed
stay with your frist wave so he don't proxy if he decides to ignore frist wave and proxy any way push it fast and go back to him you can ward the start of jungle to see if he go for the second wave as long you have wave after 5 min he can't proxy
it really depends on what is your main go to when against a WW
if it is an early monster like Darius then bought anti-heal at 2nd component
if it is a late game champion like Kayle then don't go anti heal but rather play really safe and bought boot early
if it is a tie matchup like Irelia then go anti-heal at 2nd component or set up a wave and call for jungle
if it is a range champion like Vayne then play carefully don't overstep or fast push the wave since you are squishy, make sure to buy wards for the lane's bush so he can't try to deny aa
Against Yorick early game kill any ghouls before his E is of cooldown. E is also a skill shot so it is possible to dodge it if you know he wants to use it.Ghouls give you additional gold and they are his main damage early game. Late game it is mostly map awarness that counters him.
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I'm just curious if you have any tips or tricks for building/playing my otp Volibear. I love the big ancient god bear, but I'm always curious to see if other people have found tech I don't know about😊
You can also utilize lifesteal and healing to counter his ult, so that he doesn't get you in his lethal range with one combo. As garen, you will have to buy antiheal in form of mortal reminder, which only helps against the healing part, not the hp part. So aatrox with sundered sky can auto just before garen ult and make it deal 0 dmg
Armor isnt that bad against garen. armor is only worse than health because of the base damage of his ult and the 25% e armor shred that only comes after he already dealt decent damage.
Also you always want a mix of hp and resistences. So its not bad to build some armor when you already have steraks
Randuims omen works against his e when he builds crit i think
Zhonjas hourglass
Guardian angel
A key note about steraks as a counter, sterak activates at 30% HP, a good garen knows that 30% hp is the threshold to kill any champ in the game with rank 2 R, so a sterak being popped is a signal for garen to ult you after the shield expires.
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Love to shred through a steraks as Crit Garen and Ult right after ;)
For me the thing with him is the insane movespeed in lategame
Instructions unclear i didn't even make it to my 2nd item before garen 1v9
Nice video. Please, teach how to counter heimerdinger next
Good video. If i could make a request on another champion for toplane, it woulf be either fiora or mordekaiser. But if i could ask for any champion, i'd go with Heimerdinger.
The counter to %missing/max hp true dmg is usually trying to counter everything else in their kit. If they can barely do any damage other than the true dmg (via kiting or hp/resistances) you can usually stall long enough to run away or win the fight.
Eclipse is also very good at countering his ultimate. Gives flat shield
simple and effective perfect
okay i had to subscribe for this alone, garen is one of my most DESPISED champions. solid advice, thank you
maybe if it wasn't wrong yeah, true damage bypasses shields, sterak is completely useless against garen
@bajhor7181 uhhhhh unless they changed something recently, im sorry, but that just straight up isn't true. go hop into a practice as Garen or Chogath and use your ultimate on an enemy Malphite and you'll very clearly see the damage is blocked by his passive shield.
@@MrBoingus yeah that's my bad, google quick answer is wrong, normal shields do block true dmg but sterak still makes no sense against garen, the shield scales with hp and so does the ult dmg from garen, the answer to garen depends on the matchup and your spikes, building sterak second on jax for example (which is bad into garen) is just throwing the game
@@bajhor7181steraks is amazing vs garen bro. Urgot and Garen are my main champs. As Garen you hate going vs bruisers that build steraks. It can tank out your entire ultimate. So you have to hold it for a few seconds and those few seconds usually decide the fight. Either you die or need to run away. Usually it's hard to do that because you might be committed if you've dropped enemy so low to the point steraks got proc. Trust me it's really nasty vs Garen.
@@bajhor7181 idk what is in your mind but Steraks is Garen's nightmare
If a bruiser goes Steraks as 2nd then Garen has to get him to 10%-15% to bypass the shield so he can executed the champion and literally make Garen's 30%-40% execution reduced to 10%-15% how is that "bad"
I really want to be toxic but on god pls don't be stubborn
Viego and vayne as a tank like chogath, true damage %health is a nighmare
viego doesnt do any true damage lol
Build ap, w max is ur best bet imo
Viego loses earlygame vs garen
Viego is dog againset tanks even with Botrk because if you stack armor he does zero damage
@@glacier_10_years_ago Viego with BotRK + Divine Sunderer still haunt my dreams
Magic pen and armor pen/Black cleaver also isn’t bad because garen is guaranteed to get bonus resists from his W passive regardless of what he builds. You’ll deal much more damage to him when his W is on cooldown if you build Penetration.
Just run away
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How to counter hemierdinger
your videos is so helpful and so cool and i love them but bro i play gwen xD
Also, his Q clears all slow effects so use them after he uses Q and his W grants him 60% tenacity for 0.75 seconds so use cc carefully
A few patches ago steraks had a 60s cd which was insane sleeper as a first or second item for champ like darius who wants to spam all in early with high base stuff
Good video
You should build chain mail against garen. There is nothing more efficient. You reduce every spins damage with it.
You can go items like sunfire(high hp and low armor) to counter garen. Garen e reduces ur armor you should build hp but not only hp bc you also need to not get like true dmg from the garen. Also his ult can't half hp you if you build enough hp.
How does one counter Vex?
camille with trinity ravenous steraks (or even steraks second if you really want) can really shut him down
I play a lot of Anivia, what are her best counters? I want to know because I think it'll help to know her weaknesses and improve my decision making.
I already know merc treads are good against her, and she can't do much if an enemy dives her, but are there any other weaknesses she has?
or just do like me, build warmogs, as long as you don't trade until u r demacia range u should be fine
Thanks bro
any tips on how to whoop yorick?
pls make one for countering Illaoi
Iceborn Gauntlet also destroys Garen. Makes him easier to kite and catch when he attempts to run away late game. I will try Steraks out. Thanks.
Honestly I'd love to know how to counter draven, If possible as aphelios. I know that I'm supposed to bully him when he gets his axes, but another than that, I'm not too sure.
Give us a hand on how to deal with Darius
pick camille and your set also great vid
AYO THATS ME ON CAM.
Yorick
Please can't deal with Yorick
play vayne (sorry if that was offensive)
Bro pls tell me how to deal with tahm kench top cause I am desperate. Awesome channel btw
Depends on your champ, but tahm has miserable waveclear so that's usually how I abuse the matchup. Phase rush and/or merc treads help. I personally play jayce, so I rush eclipse into him. There's nothing he can do if you auto 2x and leave. Save pr if he tries to engage. Just stack minion waves in a slowpush and come back to lane after basing with more gold so he's stuck in lane.
Since this is a kind of educational channel, tell us if the shield counts as hp. I noticed that garen r and jhin 4 works very very poor when target is low but shielded
It's counts as HP but it's not your true hp
the best advice: counterpick with Tahm Kench lol
Also picking champs that can either kite him easily like Vayne, Kayle, Teemo, Quinn, etc. or picking champs with bit shields in their kit such as Morde, Sett, etc, or the third secret option, Camille, who does both
the main reason camille works so well is the Q interaction
@@Whisperain4 every single aspect of Camille's kit counters Garen in some way, her E long dash for escapes and engages that stuns and gives attack speed, her Q2 being hella true damage that completely bypasses Garen's W damage reduction, along with her Q giving her move speed to kite, and her passive shield not allowing Garen to fully engage
@@brosam_ i agree but the main reason people in lower elo lose that matchup is that they try to use their Q as an auto reset which is not how you use it against garen
You can kite garen until he have stridebreaker and trinty and ghost and also boots of swifty
What about shieldbow sir?
Also, if the enemy top laner pick garen u can actually ''counter pick'' it by locking champs that have big shields, sett is a good pick but if garen take phase rush he will counter you, u can go ignite but isn't that good if garen go with phase rush, if u time correctly u can soak his ultimate damage with w and u can ''cancel'' his silence by using your ultimate when he starts the Q auto animation, take second wind and doran shield is optional, and if u build steraks u have 2 big shields, which is basically impossible to he kills you with him ultimate when u have w and steraks.
Damn
garen vs sett is kind of an even matchup. Not sure about that one
Back in the days, you could just buy hexdrinker and be fine in lane. Good times
how do i counter him as gwen other than zhonyas?
Pls make a video about countering ranged top/mid champions like akhsan or vayne.🥺
Doran's shield and second wind with a high hp regen character like garen, mundo, sett, cho gath. And take ghost. Wait until they overstep up and pop ghost run them down.
Ya but thats early how about late game, phase rush garen with crit boots of swiftness, deadmans plate? He just runs you down at the speed of light.
And then even if Garen has a bad matchup: ignores you lvl 1 and just proxy farms behind both your turrets. 1 E is barely enough for the whole wave and his passive is not stopped from minion autos.
Udyr and warwick
Rip Gargoyles Stoneplate, best anti Garen item. Just press it when he ults (most Garens never think to combo silence into ult).
so my go-to aatrox build works good
Make a video on how to counter trydnamere
also wardens too
How do you counter mordekizer
ty my rizzler
I always rush boots and build streak late and at 15/20 minutes when i have 0 or 2 deaths somehow garen is 10/0 because i play in plat elo and the don't look at the map xd
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How to counter Darius, Illaoi, Riven, and Camille
Illaoi = Dodge her E, only fight when she doesn't have it. If she hits E and Ults use everything you have to run away, then play aggro and pressure her until she has ult again
highest WinRate RN is Lilia and Jinx
Akali next
what about frozen heart since garen really ikes attackspeed so he can have more spins isnt it a really good counter for him?
it gives no hp, so he burst you with the combo anyway, and armor is useless vs his ult
I think garens e isnt reduced by frozen heart
@@wuuwuu6727 yes it isn't
How to counter range top laners .. heimer .. vayne . Akshan .. quinn . Urgot
Iam usually play ww top and suffer from them
Yes, E shreds armor, but take armor anyway it still has a lot of value against him
sterak prank only works in low elo
bro forgot about the part where he gets a free kill every 300 seconds (Flash CD)
Ok if you already ask
How to I counter Gwen?
Jax and tryndamere
Jax is no longer difficult since the removal of lethsl tempo. Tryndamere is a good pick tho
frozen heart
@@shivas01 Jax was never strong against garen
How to counter gwen
how to counter MALPHITE
I always get dunked on by Rumble. It feels hard to trade into and farm.
illaoi and renekton pls
Even if Garen did become a pdf unfair champ with the addition of stride, he does allow skill expression: W, high movespeed and damage will let him catch you and your team offguard.
I'm sad to say that he is not just noobstomper. They really should revert attackspeed changes on E. If you wanted dmg, lethality Garen was there, but even with speed on youmuus he was obviously slower than.. this nightmare.
What attack speed changes? His E attack speed has been this way for many yesrs. Also stridebreaker doesnt make Garen's base move speed faster. He builds other items like PD or DMP etc for that
wouldnt the garen just activate ur steraks before ulting you then?
Yes he would have to
Ah yes we need ap sterak
The closest thing to AP Sterak's is Archangel's 🗿
How to counter Sylas🙏🙏. When i dont ban him sometimes im doing well vs him with Liss or Anivia, sometimes... Im crying by dash/stun/heal/dmg all at once
Don't trade with him when he has Q and E. Use all your abilities before he silences you. Garen doesn't have a lot of damage after his Q E combo, so you can attack him almost freely.
Zed mid lane as mage Velkoz
Make a vid on how to counter Trynda pls
Cc him
Dont take risky trades
Create video for jayce with Fimbulwinter sinergy
And next one illaoi
How to counter Garen:
Pick Gwen
How to beat illaoi and Sett