What's up with 6S vs 4S? (UNCUT Comparison) | FPV Freestyle
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In this Video I Directly compare the Pros and Cons of 6S vs 4S on an FPV freestyle rig.
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By the time I graduate from 3S , MrSteelio will be flying Uncut Car Battery
Lmao im still on 2s 5000kv custom motors
I'm flying 1s mobula 6 and now ordered a 6s nazgul5 lol hopefully bigger is better, best of luck!
Really liking the fact that you can maintain your power through all the flight time. Kinda had the most serious situations everytime i was grinding the volts down at the end of the pack.
I really love your explanation of the pros and cons: particularly the increase yaw authority as well less throttle resolution. These are points other pilots or reviewers haven’t mentioned. 👍🏻
Thats nothing to do with 6S vs 4S setup, his 6s rig is just way more powerfull with that kv than his 4S setup.
I suppose he could have calculated and stepped down the kv (1300-1400ish maybe?) to have made it have the same amount of thrust as his 4S setup? Either way, point taken.
It has everything to do with higher voltage. The more voltage and lower KV you have the more torque you have. Equaling more yaw authority..
Throttle resolution has only to do with his KV choice. Steele motors are at 2350KV and the 6s setup is 2550KV theoretically. May be as high as 2650... needs to be tested. Anyway, the lower the KV the more the resolution. You could also compensate by adjusting the max throttle in your flight software or radio by 10%. Problem solved.
More KV is more resolution not the other way around.
I usually get 4-5 minutes on 4s. Not sure I’m gonna switch yet only because all my rigs are 4s. I’ll probably start moving to 6s over time although I’m in no rush. Thanks for all your awesomeness Steele. Happy flying
Started to get nauseous around 2:50 you were going insane with the flips I FUCKIN LOVE IT ❤️🙏🏽 , please keep the videos coming
I'm still impressed how light your setup is. A slammed alien with the new kiss tiny on 6S is really quite tempting.
Never thought I'd see Mr Steve board a hypetrain so early.
And caps. OMFG.
I started running 5s for the no sag reason.
Interesting comparison. - Side note, throttle expo can be used to decrease the steepness of the throttle curve around the hover/cruise point. The throttle-to-lift relationship is not linear to begin with.
Let the tuning nightmares begin! Thanks for the video Steele. Stay up 😎🎮🤙🏻
I got you boy. I’ll do a video on tuning soon
Throttle resolution on low end can be fixed by editing the throttle curve.
Thanks for all the Information. Really helpful. Waiting for your 1700kv motors to drop before i try it and i will definatly go with the 4-in-1.
Great explanation. I can see many people selling off their 4S packs to get 6S now.
But yeah, longer flight time is a no brainer. I wouldn't mind giving it a try.
Great explanation Steele. Been flying on 6s for a while & agree it does take some adjustment to get used to the decreased resolution + you definitely need the Low ESR Caps.
I'm particularly liking 6s on my long-range 7" setups too. :)
David Martin I’m building a long range 7” Chameleon, what Low ESR Caps should I be using uF/V. Never used them before on any of my builds.
Best breakdown of the situation I've seen - Thanks for the thorough analysis.
I just ordered 7 6S 1250's for try. Running 2300/2400kv on most of my quads, but am going to limit throttle to 75% and start swapping in lower KV motors. It's the flight time that's drawing me. I'm like the long flight times, and like you say, you only can really fly hard on the 1st half of most 4S batteries.
Love the outtro!
This video finally allowed me to commit to getting the 6s version of the nazagul evoque f5, instead of the 4s version. Thanks. 💯
done and done. thanks for all the necessary info without the hype. also It's Thursday My Dudes!
Hahahah. Thursday. MY DUDE !!
Heck yeah, I'm in the middle of updating my Alien from V1 to Steeles current setup. And I have a bag of 470's from my MikroKopter days. Great timing on this video for me. Rotor On Steele!
Been on the fence for a minute, more so with racing an sag....Thanks for intelligent and correlating review, next build 6s! 💯🍻
"I hear a phantom" LOL :)
Thanks for video.
why do people comment without watching the vid/or the whole vid😂 great comparison👍 plz share us your 6S PIDS🙏
Haha. I will soon enough let me fine tune them
Damn, now I'm gonna have to build a 6S rig. Thanks for ruining my wallet Steele. I NEED those flight times.
Thanks bro!!! the battery industry sincerely says Thank You :)
Really knocked it out of the park on this vid! It's off season out in arizona so might think about building one for next winter.
Really cool inputs, I've just built a 6 inch 6S quad for cruising and long range but I might give it a go on my 5 inch when enough motor options are out
Why change to a 5inch? I've got a 6inch myself - what is your reasoning for going down?
Damn Mr. Steve is going to 6S...but all the balls have been ripped. This is the biggest news since he changed to triblades from bi-blades!
awesome!! i really want to build a 6s alien now! thanks for the great video!
*consistency. Good vid. Worth the watch.
Haha what a freaky video cool man 2x mr steele drone screaming in 1 video
Thanks for all the info Steele 👍
I run a 6S 1500maH on my 7" quad. The bigger props give a nice boost in lift. So I notice the weight but not bad at all. It's not 5" quick but it is still fun. I like the variety.
Hate to be the one to say it and maybe you say it yourself (still watching the vid).... but.... your 6s pack has way more watt hours than your 4s pack, hense the much longer flight time. 1500mah 4s compares close to 1050mah 6s
yup, that's what i thought
Yea, Steeley knows it's more power overall. 15g for all the extra time seems like a no brainer
Same thinkadge man I use 1500 4s and some times with hard ripadge and get 4 to 5 mins
Power =. V x A. Raising V means lower A for a given power usage. Lower A results in your capacity lasting longer.
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Thanks for breaking it down. really worth it.
And what's the difference? When lower Kv x higher voltage results in more or less same sort of rpm curve? Higher voltage setups are common in high endurance and durability setups, anyone heard of Prius 😜👍
Guess the type is real then. Unfortunately it's gonna be real hard (if not impossible) to justify the $$$ for all new motors and all new lipos for my two quads. Thanks and...bummer!
I know this is an old video, but the power these lipos can kick out is insane. yes, it's very quick "pulses", but non the less, pretty impressive. At the one minute mark in the video (or the first puch) the 6s drone pulls around 1.6 KILOWATTS from the battery, and around 1.1KW for the 4s. Thats bonkers :D
Great in depth explanation ! Thank you !
Your right bro! I love my 6s setup too!
Very informative. Thanks for sharing Mister
Thanks for taking the time to give us some good information man.
10:22 the fact that he knows what drone it is just by hearing the motors is amazing!! It shows how long he has been in this hobby for.
Awesome test dude!! 🤘🏽😎
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Great break down steele very honest
just got my 6s up and runnin! cannot go back. other quad will stay 4s until those batteries die. i wonder what 5s would feel like on the 2345's.
Mr Steele one pro you did not mention, i think, is that for the same flying style, i.e max watts, a 6s will be less hard on your batteries than 4s because the current will be less to get same power. Your batteries should last longer, more cycles, and run cooler yet deliver the same performance.
Thanks for the update man. Super helpful
Let’s push it 8s is our future.
Steele can you show us how you wired the 4 in 1 ESC to the pdb??
wicked. 4s batteries are about to get alot cheaper. and steele motors are going to be like all the good ones.
good video, was wondering when you were going to do this Steele ! Hope to see ya at the rampage bro
The 6S LIPO has slightly more WH so obviously it will fly longer...
Try to match the WH on both setup and give it another shot!
That's the point, for close to the same weight, you get longer flight time and more power at the same time, plus less amp draw.
I HEAR A PHANTOM !!! Hhahaha good you hear them as phantoms are hard to see :p
awesome test.... good info
Throttle curve could help the more sensitive throttle response.
@12:45 All about that grundle life.
Great comparison.... personally I love flying as low as I can, so 4s is my choice... but I can see 6s coming into my life in the near future
If you use the same kv, 4s will be the longer! Same like me tested 2450kv on 2s 2800mah and 3s 1800mah
Pros on lower voltage is: you can attach high capacity battery
What really bugs me when people try and compare 4s and 6s is their setups are very rarely comparable.
Yes, there are lots of efficiency gains by going to 6s, but make the comparisons fair. They would be a lot closer if the setups were more comparable.
The 6s setup Steele is using is comparable to a 1650mah 4s battery and 2550kv motors, so of course it's going to be more powerful and last longer.
If it were a direct comparison between 4s and 6s he should have used approximately an 866mah 6s with 1563kv motors.
So I did try lower KV. Actually 1600 to be exact. And I found that the efficiency was essentially the same. Same flight times as 1700kv. But not the same top end extra power or the extra speed. For what I do both were fine but I preferred staying in the lower throttle range. And using the top end power in moments when I’ve wished I had more. Like chasing down cars or extreme sports athletes.
Also. With a hero 6 and the added weight. The 1700s made it feel like you were running a Gopro at all
when doing a comparison there can only be one variable: the lipos. this is just another bro science vid
the science of bro :)
lol
@@DroneRecipe Just like comparing a 12V battery and the socket in your house right?
Only variable..
Would like to see you compare 5S. Might it be the perfect sweet spot and no cons for you?
Nice explanation ... What I would like to know is why jump to 6s and not 5s ?! For me Im using 5s and Team RaceKraft 5051 3-BLADE and it's amazing ... With this setup I can have a great hanging time... it's real difference expirence comparing with 4s dalprops 3blades (my old setup) ... Thanks !
this is way too crazy to watch mr :D
I learned about the pros and cons of 4s and 6s on a stretched 550 build I use for long range, 6s won me over, over an hour flight time and better feel. I bumped all my 6"/4s setups to 6"/5s and love it, but I need a different motor to bring them up to 6s. The winding on these look pretty *Stout* and with lower KV I am wondering how they might fair running 6"/6s? Still can't beat having a few 5"/4s setups around; cheap and effective.
Why didn't you make this video a week ago! I've just received the parts for my next 4s build, when considering the build i did consider a 6s setup but i thought - none of the big freestyle names are doing it so it must be all hype. Dam you Steele, now i need to do another build.
Solid solid solid review 🤙🏼
Hello Sir
I'm still learning and because of the shortage of stuff, and of course, crashes. I'm sat here droneless. with CPL long-range 4 inches on route a diatone 3 inch and an i flight 4s 5 inch.:) Soon I will have many qwads to crash, point is there all four s. Also I'm looking to get your build .However i didnt know you did a 4s version or that was what you always had. As you said a 4s would be good for beginners (also might get someone else to build it as I'm still learning to solder properly). Question is would it be very hard to upgade the steele 4s rig to 6s if I became awesome and could handle more power? Thanks man
im prettty sure the higher voltage and capacitors are correcting your power factor. I.E. ohms law: higher volts = lower amps and better utilization of circuits... among circuit stability and a Big F*****g Battery.
Steele, great comparison! Thanks. Nice flying, too.
Have you tried Fpv with a Onithopter?
A question for Mr Steele. I just saw a TH-cam posted by a Professional Photographer complaining about Drones being a bad idea simply because there are too many places where you are not allowed to fly them. Mr Steele have you had problems finding areas to fly your drones?
Every time I watch your videos I think 1 thing
Will I ever grow a glorious moustache like that ???
Guybrush Threepwood true
I think that pop you are getting when you plug in your battery is due to the caps you added. My 4s quad pops a lot more now that I added caps.
Excellent video, I like this. Your so knowledgeable and an excellent pilot. Rip a pack and share some tech, most excellent young sir. Thanks...
Why thank you good sir :)
Mr Steele, you are a great source of information and knowledge. Thanks for all your contributions to this community. My personal hope is to some day get enough spare money that I can dump it on a Mr Steele set up 😁👍👌
Nice Video!
That's pretty interesting and well explained.
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That's a very interesting video, have you experimented with a 7" on 6s? I think flight times would be considerably longer again. I've seen 7-10 minute flight times on 4s on a 7" so it would be very interesting to see what 6s would achieve.
Steele, you are a legend!
I can fly that long on 5”. So the deal with bigger props is. The bigger the prop the lower the resonant frequency of the props and over all frame. Soo. Typically more vibrations. Yes efficient. But video typically sucks unless you completely isolate the HD cam. And not to mention that is heavier. And less nimble
Mr Steele, that's probably the reason I haven't gone 7" yet due to it being heavier and less agile in the air, I assume they are only good for long range? "Don't fix something that isn't broken" comes to mind. I love flying 5".
Thanks for the reply, happy ripping!
Let the revolution begin! lol
I really gotta try ur props
It sounded higher in throttle the whole time too
Whats the thread count on your lanyard
Hey, I've been flying your 6s setup for quite a while and I'm thinking about packing 6 inches of arms on the alien. Do you think your Ethix engines also create 6 inch two-bladed propellers on 6S like the Emax Avan? Thank you for your help.
Greetings Julian from Germany
Possibly a lower KV moon boot motor in the future
Great vid man, but What about 5s?? Because it’s kinda in between and will give you the best of both worlds won’t it?
Could you get longer run time on a higher capacity 4s 1700kv setup using bigger props to compensate for the slower motor speed
on my 6s 1600lipo i can cruise and dive around for almost 10 minutes.
6 to 7 min if i freestyle around
4s or 6s? #firstworldproblems
In all reality and real talk though, I like seeing the two side by side. 6s is beast, compared to 4s. That price tag tho... planning on buying your stout motors, Steele, just gotta get the cash together.
And would 5S be an option to have more flight time and throttle resolution?
I have a question... what are ur thoughts on the new graphine battery technology that is being developed, do u think that graphine battery’s will make a large difference in battery technology
Sorry I spelt graphene wrong
Interesting .
I see you've read the topic on rcgroups.
I haven’t
and now please show the change for esc, how to connect it in proper way
63th
Thanks !
What volt 470 caps are you using for 6s? Do you have to use caps on all 6s rigs? Even on betaflight?
35V
Aren't 35V caps not enough for 6s? The Kiss ESC Manual says to use 50V (330 uF) low esr capacitors for 6s - why did you go with 35V? Any issues or benefits vs. 50V? See p1 and graphic on p3 of manual here: kiss.flyduino.net/download/kiss-esc32a-manual-english/#. Love your kwad!
Very interesting video!!! Thanks! Always thumbs up!!! When the low kv motors will come out?
They are out now actually. Just came in today. At our US dealer. Newbeedrone.com
Mr Steele daaaaam... I want them... :) thank you 🙏
So frickin smooth!!!
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success with 6s ....yeah boi.
Nice thank you for the info but I`m staying on my 4s setup.