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- College sports have become a multi-billion dollar industry, but the NCAA's regulations prohibit amateur athletes from profiting off their abilities to go pro. But a new lawsuit could completely uped the NCAA and the college athletic business model.
VICE News' Gianna Toboni meets several athletes and coaches living the pay-for-play saga.
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VICE News' Gianna Toboni meets several athletes and coaches living the pay-for-play saga.
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It’s like 1 out of 10 are real
No
Im poor and slumming. Look at my new acura tlx. Please. They should let the bookies and hustlers control what these athletes no matter what tier they are in get paid. Thats fair to me. Getting millions because youre a veteran coming off the bench. Whatever. If your team win a title a million for everyone on the roster.
"I always tell him take advantage of these colleges because they're going to take advantage of you" That is one smart mom!
That was a great line. Gave me the chills how right she is.
@Diggy d very true. Educate their viewers about these issues.
NCAA has too much pull on the pro secne its crazy.
@@maman89 Too much pull? If, in fact the NCAA didn't exist, none of these players would enter pro sports, nor be recognized. What are you talking about?
@Diggy d this is why. Idiots get in
AGREED.
If a college is making millions off of athletes, they are definitely pros.Even 15 year old soccer players get paid for playing in a academy in Europe.
The USA is about power-play nation. You wouldn't get it.
And millions go into them. You think most tuition goes to the people that actually go for a degree?
@@saulloll8547 Its very simple, if colleges started losing money from those athletes their shutting their sports teams ASAP!
@@saulloll8547 Millions go into infrastructure, coaches, staff and administrators. Education is a highly profitable business, the real cost of educating someone for the university is marginal compared to what they charge costumers. Is like apple paying US employees with Iphones, and stating that the're giving them thousands of dollars worth of equipment, when it actually costs them a couple hundred dollars to produce.
@@fedearbelaez4912 like it should be. Division 1 schools spend approx 90k per athlete, which is SEVEN times the average of a student.
:: Profits 80 Million :: "Now we can afford to give players bagels!"
Dont forget the Gatorade!
the ncaa was the ones not allowing it before, not the schools. the ncaa is the problem
Abztraktt ikr😂😂😂
The ncaa regulation is what limits the schools to giving them that stuff. Now that that regulation had been lifted most if not all offer basically private cafeterias headed by sports nutritionists for all athletes to access when they want. And some also offer meal tables in there sport specific locker room put together by a sports nutritionist so it's not that the school "couldn't afford" it. They just couldn't give it without NCAA suspending them for it.
no, now they are allowed to give players bagels.
We dont have enough money to pay athletes, but we spent 200 million dollars on facilities in 10 years. Ok bro.
A R when you pay $1,000 a month to every D1 - D2 student athlete across America it still wouldn’t equal up to 200 million dollars even after a full year. NCAA bunch of greedy bastards they could give athletes $1,000 every two weeks I think that’s fair and very reasonable .
@@igotnext930 fr shits sad to the athletes the big owners are getting rich while the actual players getting nothing
No they really don't the buildings are old and falling apart. The only thing that gets updated is the salaries of the people at the top. The professors don't even get paid anything, but their work loads and tenure demands go up.
Student Athletes should at least be able to make money off their likeness and image
they can now, or will be able to soon.
Yeah like TH-cam
right!?
NCAA IS GREEDY AND EVIL THE REASON WHY WE DONT HAVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL VIDEO GAMES IS BECAUSE WHEN COURTS DECIDED PLAYERS NEEDED TO BE PAID BECAUSE OF THEIR LIKENESS IN THE GAMES THEY SAID THEY WOULD PERMANENTLY CANCEL THE GAMES THEY RATHER LOOSE MONEY THAN PAY THE PLAYERS THEIR FAIR SHARE
@@stevenswinton6090 and then they have the gall to play those shameless ads saying how students are getting a college degree and thats worth their weight in gold
lmfao they are proud of the fact that they now give these kids sandwiches and gatorades
john smitty right? Omg what a joke! I was so angry at that I wanted to slap them.
Just like Trump is proud of giving away Big Macs & McNuggets 🧐😂
@@wikionthisfreestyle Huh? Where is this? I want in.
yea
Miz Raven you’re idiots! They have private chefs and get fed very well. Maybe some really small school where some no name athletes have to go and would make no money anyway. But athletes at Bama or Ohio live like kings.
These Universities say they can't pay the players.......but they can pay for private jets and world class facilities?
Potate -O The colleges get something out of the facilities and jets. There is no be if it to paying the players.
Oh; I’m wondering why, if the program are taking in the money, why don’t tuitions house down?
The lavish expenditures are in part to keep justifying the current system. I mean how could they possibly pay student athletes if they spend all the money they make on sky high salaries?
The athletics is supposed to be non profit so they spend massively to try and make sure they dont turn a profit thats why some schools will talk about being in "debt" or running a deficient but it was manufactured that way on purpose not because its not extremely profitable
Who is it that is benfitting from these "world class facilities"?
oh ya the athlete students.
Do they have those "world class facilities" in little old Bloomington or on 125th St in Baltimore?
So in essence they are getting paid by using those "world class facilities" for free.
Now just add in the free 70 k education they should be getting.
All of a sudden the tears dry up.
@@orecoast1 you are a special kind of moron. My point is, they can spend millions to their own benefit but not to the financial benefit to the players
Poor student slaves ... i mean “atholetes” (credit: south park’s cartman brought me here)
Lmaoooo the episode was brilliant
It's against the rules to pay them.
I'm going to look up the South Park episode, 😂
@@notest396 Don't be a boot licker. Immoral rules should be changed.
@@itumo2645 I was loosely quoting south park
Edit: Secondly the whole system if f-ed up, like: "Like how about schools spent billions on competitive sports so one in million of them will make it while most of them can't find a job" It's not a solution to the underlying problem to pay student athletes.
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@@PomazeBog1389 Only watches Fox News, OAN, or any other network that puts 22 yr old blonde anchors for him to jerk it to.
you forgot to add "... for once"
Jeff Williams FACTSSSSS!!!!
"We have to look at cutting programs if we need to provide them more money!" …. Yeah.... like cutting that million dollar salary isn't an option.. let's go right to the programs.
EXACTLY
Yeah so let's just cut a top of the line Doctor who is teaching young people to be doctors. Because pay him a lot of money is pointless.
@@evacody1249 There's more than enough money in collegiate sports than there is in the collegiate medical field
NoahB Music first of all learn to use punctuation. Second of all please explain to me how colleges don’t help their student athletes get better athletically or academically
And those programs being cut are real students who really do invest in their education. The money spending should be diversified so that it can fund many and not just two programs.
"Some mighty fine slaves you have thar. Oh, you call them student athletes!" - South Park. If looking for University problems, follow the money.
Student Athooletes? Oh oh oh that's brilliant sir!
I’ll give ya $20 for the white ones and $50 for the blacks
College amateur athletes are wage slaves?
@@indonesiaamerica7050 yes, same for the children in China that are making Millions to make clothing and tech, but only paid pennies in return
@@brokenking5044
You're insane.
They never really explain why they don’t want to pay athletes. They just keep talking about all the other stuff they give them 🤦🏿♂️
Christian B. So why not give them $100,000 cash instead...tuition and benefits don’t pay bills
@@MannyManhattanMusic they live on campus in free room and board if they choose not to stay there it's THEIR CHOICE, they don't have bills outside of what they pick up like a phone bill. Also you don't get how scholarships work..all the extra money not paying tuition they get to pocket.
packerpf bro ur confused. And u keep telling me about all the stuff that they get. I’m asking why they don’t get a $4mil salary like coach izzo...
@@packerpf The entirety of my college at a university, including moving and living off-campus for years, was less than $100,000. Considering how much money they bring in and how their work is the reason these coaches get million-dollar salaries, they seem to be getting the short end of the stick. A "free" education (its not free if you have to work for it btw, stop saying the shit is free), for what? A tiny percentage of what they are actually making the college and organization and the money doesn't even go into their hands but back into the college? Sounds like a crock of shit.
Manny Manhattan Muic. Actually they did answer it. They answered it but not addressing it because they don't want to. That's how it's been for years.
Schools are spending more so it looks like they don’t have it.
Fred I another comment by someone who clearly didn’t watch the entire video
IRON1 What did I miss?
Facts, they buy all these fancy equipment and conference rooms talking bout "Look this is where all the money went", like they don't have a 100,000,000 more tucked away
And to look impressive to new recruits and shareholders.
You understand that they have other areas in the school that they need to worry about right?
“This is Slavery with extra steps”
-Morty
Ooh la la somebody is getting laid in college
Black people somehow always end up in that sort of system I WONDER WHY
Slavery?? lol
Carlos You always wind up in that world don’t you? You obviously know nothing about slavery.
Ronnie Bishop it’s a joke lil cry baby 😭
I don’t think it’s even about them being paid directly by the schools just let them make money off their likeness at least let them sign endorsement deals and advertising deals
Definitely - I think it's fair that the schools let them have a free education. But preventing them from making money on their own? That's just pure greed.
@@rd24life i aggree
"Let's understand the hypocrisy: There are no games without the players. [The NCAA is] selling [the players]. They're not giving [players] a $50,000 education or cost of living. They're giving [players] a seat in the classroom, it's a goddamn chair."
-Sonny Vaccaro
Yep, they arent allowed to participate in their education, so might as well pay them so they can go back to school later (no matter what)
Don’t forget: That $0.10 piece of paper that says you sat in those chairs.
No NCAA, athletes have no games to play.
@@homewall744
If they played ball on the street, television would follow, with or without the NCAA.
@@LostAnFound
What piece of paper, a diploma? Is that what you mean
So players can’t get paid but coaches can make millions? In some states college coaches are the highest paid public job.
soberpunk we don’t need a paycheck. I went to school & got a degree/education like you but are me/you being exploited and put on video games, flyers, clothes, tv shows to make the school money, NO. These athletes are so pay them. Fair is fair.
soberpunk i dont think youre quite understanding the issue. the schools are making millions off them, and the players are only getting tuition + a few other benefits. why should the school gain millions and only use a small fraction of that to accommodate the players? thats why unions exist you know, to not allow employers to take advantage of their workers
soberpunk in the video it literally says the schools profit. & your example is just that, your example. i graduated last spring with only 27k in debt, and now only owe 24k. my school (university of houston) isnt very expensive, but we just got a new stadium a few years back, and both our football and basketball team have been getting better, and getting more recognition. while i was there, they even built an entire indoor facility so the football team could still practice when it rains. those players bring in the school millions, and they only get free tuition out of it. they leave with 0 in debt, while i left with 27k, which is super manageable, but they still got the school millions of dollars. the school benefits way more than the players do
In practically all states the highest paid public employee is a coach. It's absurd. ESPN just came out with their annual article on it.
@soberpunk I think you and the other guys both have points. This matter is a lot more complicated then the video mentioned.
For one, NOT ALL universities profit from their athletic teams. Other schools exist outside of the power 5 that have D1 programs. The video makes it seem every single D1 school is bringing in millions.
A large number of schools LOSE money due to their football team.
So yea you are right that SOME athletes have it good. But you are WRONG when you assume every athlete have it good. The guys at University of Toledo NOT Alabama have an extremely small chance of going pro. Those athletes should be paid something because they are working 40hrs a day and NOT getting paid.
Also the education these athletes get is bullshit. Like you said they make up degrees and classes for these guys to stay eligible. When (if?) they graduate they are not truly educated at all. How many engineering majors you see on Alabama's football team?
TLDR: NCAA D1 football/men's basketball players are being EXPLOITED. No different then Nike's sweatshops in 3rd world countries
Mark “we’ll give them an apartment or car so we don’t have to pay them” Hollis
Same as pimps.
right the 40k education is meaningless? You won't find a coach who wouldn't like an educated player.
@@packerpf they don't have time to take advantage of the education.
@packerpf
Coaches want good athletes and good team players that are humble and driven.
It’s not meaningless. It is just that it is worth $40K, while they should be given quarter of a million each year so they can buy tutoring, businesses, property or whatever they want.
At least at my school, athletes get a huge monthly stipend for living expenses, so they get a cheap apartment and then use the rest of that money on buying useless shit lmao
California passed a bill that allowed players to make money off there likeness. The NCAA called it unconstitutional" and an “existential threat". Since California forced them they had a vote to see if they would also allow all players from other states the same right like the players in California, It passed. The funny part to me is that they acted like it was there idea the whole time.
A few years ago I wrote a paper on this and titled it as “Modern Slavery.” Earned an A on it.
Share the paper bro
Yea send the google doc
Can you share the paper please
I wanna read it man
I wanna read it bro
This robbery only happens in USA
nah,other countries doin it too,they said if us can make it legit,they can too
@@lordmalayanorca7943 and which countries name them pls
Robbery? Haha! College athletes shouldn't get paid to play, many already have tuition paid for.
Roger you’re obviously someone that read the title didn’t watch and decided to comment.
Nah man, same crap happens here in canada
if they start paying college athletes the skill level will go through the roof
Not Really , More players will just opt to stay in school for 4 years instead of leaving so therefore they would be getting better every year but most of the Elite players will be the seniors because of their experience as long as they stay Healthy just like in Highschool
Maybe. The big schools will have the dough to attract the best players but where will that leave schools who are not as financially well off?
MFairplay then that creates corruption
the first school that starts to pay players may have an all star team in their hands.
@@Chris-oz5md there's already corruption. very famously
The biggest gangster you'll meet is a man in a business suit...🤫 Straight crooks.
I think its more like "The biggest crook you'll see is a man in a business suit" I don't think gangster fits in there right since gangsters and crooks are totally different things.
You know what's unfair? That athletes get into schools they should not based on academics. If you actually want to be fair, make the athletes' admission standards the same as the rest of us. If you want to be fair, scrap the whole system. If you want to get paid right out of high school, go to the G league. Make the NFL carry their own weight and start their own academies.
Mark “we feed our slaves very well” Hollis
Are you referring to our student athletes?
@Zach Oliva
Correct. The young people that don’t know they are the ones making their masters money. They think that because they are getting a ride on a boat and in chains, sweating it out, their masters are teaching them good lessons to help them survive in life and provide. Not knowing they are breaking their bodies for corporations that will spit them out in a second and don’t care about their well being. They are used for making corporations their money.
Are you saying you don’t see any parallels with slavery and college athletes who don’t receive any cash payments?
$14.1B made and not $1 given in cash payments.
1% of college athletes make it to professional sports careers.
The life expectancy of a slave was 36 years old in 1850. Over 25% of slaves captured and being told they would be given a better life and put on boats, died on the boat trip. Fatality rates for new born salves was 50%. 60M were killed over a few centuries.
There are parallels. Fucking strong parallels. Bodies used in exchange for fucking peanuts and basic food, with a seat in a classroom that isn’t worth the bull shit $120K they say it is, it’s worth a quarter of that. That’s all profit. A degree doesn’t even promise you a job when you finish it.
www.murphy.senate.gov/download/madness-inc
@@poerava Slavery, human trafficking, etc are not and never were a choice. Are you seriously comparing choosing to playing sports in college to slavery?!? Do you know how much college costs? Full ride = money. Scholarship = money & if it's not enough you can FUCKING QUIT. People are ENSLAVED TODAY and its NOT fucking college athletes.
& if you think college athletes are bobbleheads walking around with no clue about money brought into school bc of sports, you are greatly insulting a large group of EDUCATED people. People walking around campus in Nike or Adidas personalized shoes for example...... I don't think slaves of the past or of today are endorsed by any companies. Your comparison is insulting to millions of people and to an issue that is STILL occurring
*if that seems off to you, read a fucking book.
@@Myboy-n7z do you know what happens if you get injured playing college football am lose your scholarship ..stfup
@@poerava It is a slavery model plain and simple yes.
Looks like the NCAA had made great leaps in the past few years--instead of paying the student athletes, the players now get a free sandwich and 12oz Gatorade. Seems like sufficient compensation 😭
ste vie *grabs your sandwich and drink* There, now you dont have to complain or worry about anything.
Bro they get a free education
@@rohanmuppa thats really not worth much nowadays. He is trying to say that they should receive money because that is direct compensation. It would be like getting paid in coupons for a job instead of money. Right now college athletes are getting paid in coupons that may expire real soon...
@@vgxezo7371 I get what ur saying but a free education is basically a key to getting a job later.
@@rohanmuppa it's not free, they have to work for it. Those student athletes pay with their performance. And most of the time, the amount of money they generate for their colleges is much more than the average tuition.
Why College Athletes Don't Get Paid?
Answer: The NCAA will try to justify it, so they can take the money for themselves. There. Saved you the time.
A strike held by the players would be the largest hit to the NCAA. No players; no revenue.
they wont strike.. they crave to play
Sad that most don’t ever go pro and most don’t even have a degree.
Most dont end up with degrees because they dont apply themselves to school. Some kids only believe that they are good enough to make it to the pros and school is a joke so they dont go to class or study hall. Every school offers student athlete academic assistance programs where they have tutors and study hall sessions but some kids don't want to do the work for school. That's their own fault
C M right some student athletes take blow off classes to easily stay eligible to play
@@cmmcfielful I think it has to do more with the fact that they spend so much time training that they barely have time for academics. Many of them train for 3+ hours everyday (and that's just community college teams. Imagine how much more of a commitment it is when you're on a division 1 sports team like UCLA Football), and that's not including competitions, and studying and doing homework with a full time class schedule after training for that long makes it even more difficult. For some, they get scholarships for sports and wouldn't even have the option to go to college if it weren't for sports
That’s a lie do some research, Most do have degrees, Only a few is able to turn pro before they get a degree, Most of them stay in school in hopes of turning pro as an upperclassmen, Ncaa division one basketball graduation rates is 81%.
In most circumstances, some of the blue chip athletes are so deep in poverty, if they were to go the route of college just for academics, it'll most likely be JUCO and an affordable school (most likely a state college) with no powerhouse sport programs. A lot of these athletes were recruited in their Junior years of High School and advisors had an idea if they have a pro caliber set. Antonio Brown is an exception of the rule because he was a Quarterback in High School that would of been a bluechip prospect if he played WR. He went to Central Michigan as a walk on and even though he was drafted in the 6th round, he put in the work to be an elite receiver.
I am really enjoying your recent uploads. The quality of the stories have definitely gone up!
Totally agree. Vice needs to keep putting out high quality content like this unless content about fringe identity groups
I believe that these are older episodes that first get aired on HBO as well as the fact that the videos we all seem to hate on help pay for quality journalism.
Capone Stone all the way up! 💁🏽♀️
@@tastytacos8038
LMAO. The Clintons are deranged boomers.
We sat down to fart with a chef
“Student ATH-OO-LETES”
South Park
I specifically came to this video to see if someone commented this before me. "I salute you Sah"
You mean slaves right?
Eric cartman lol
S15 E05
The average student takes 6 years to graduate. Colleges should at least give student athletes 8 year full-ride scholarships instead of 4, so that they have time to focus on their education if athletics doesn't work out as a career.
LMAAOOOOOO Being proud of giving athletes sandwiches and drinks.
RuthlessTuber I mean considering that their broke college kids I mean it’s ok I guess
@@ShoumikMajumdar lol i mean is ok i guess....
Don’t hate on my mans job at least he’s doing something
they use all these kids, they saw a space to run a huge business without having to pay the employees
and the kids signed on and volunteer for it.... you must be poor
@@juanshaftpatel7488 It is the system, not the kids as they had no other alternative or the alternative is worse than working for free ... this is like saying all North Koreans volunteered to stay in NK...
@@frankfei9130 thye can choose to not play
@Ire S youmust be black
this adds to the arguement that these places are no longer bastions of higher learning . they are mearley corporations that are profit driven. the only people that benefit in there system are the administration.
Jesse Cordova America is the epitome of capitalism. What do you expect ?
@Johnny Rocker That's never gonna happen. No college is going to willingly give up they money they make off of college athletics
@Johnny Rocker So you both want college athletes to get paid and to get rid of college sports?
Peyton going through the draft process was STRESSFUL
At least we know now that’s he’s a solid piece of that offense and is doing well
I am now so happy he made it to the NFL after that torture
Glad he has a strong supportive family and he wants to help give back. Hope the best for him
Not one college would cancel their football program over this. This sounds like the warden saying the iron for new bars are expensive.
Almost every corporation has made this same argument in opposition to unions.
They should be able to make money of third party sources and not by the colleges.
pst.. they already do, you just dont see it cause its illegal so they do it hushhush. plane tickets, stuff like that.. it happens all the time
As a student athlete who also has financial issues having to put up with a $40k+ tuition per semester, it is tight to fill in the gaps of living when we are given the bare minimum. At my school, our dorms and cafeteria services are abysmal. I can't afford to eat out because I don't have the money too. I can't get a job because my sport, as with majority of other sports, demands a full time commitment. I have gotten nutritional issues, like food poisoning, from the cafeteria, which is upsetting because I can't eat anywhere else. However, my scholarships are a form of the school paying me. I understand and sympathize with all student athletes, however this legal journey is challenging because it is because we are on scholarship. I am sure colleges will say that these scholarships are them paying us, but it isn't enough.
$129 per second to use your own footage of their game... That makes sense if you're broadcasting but for something like this it's ridiculous that they imposed that.
What if schools were about academics and not amateur sports? lmao, you simply shouldn't be able to attend college solely on your athletic abilities, it feels like lots of schools, especially down south, are really just fronts for the billion dollar athletics programs
I agree 1,000 percent
Sean D. That is what school is about there are more students than athletes
That's Obvious, sports is entertainment and in America the Entertainment Industry is what makes Billions every year , kids still have to get the grades to receive the scholarship but at the end of the day the opportunity for them to even attend these top schools are coming from their Athletic abilities, it's a Buisness and they have to keep it going
Jen J disagree. Athletic scholarships, atleast on paper, provide an opportunity for students who otherwise might not have then to get well educated at good institutions without being able to afford them. That’s good. The problem is implementation...
@@chillin5703 Spot on
As Cartman is entering the dean office of the University of Colorado: Hello sir, the name is Eric P. Cartman. I'm a well respected owner in the slave trade.
Slave trade, ROFL, damn Trey and Matt are genius. XP And they made that joke 7 years ago!!!
Yup... And I thought that it was just a random gag... But damn it was real
Amazing comment lol
Crack baby athletics for the win.
😂
As a former athlete, I didn't care for getting paid by the school. My problem always was they prohibit us from making any type of money on our own. It never made sense that the school can charge people to have people watch us play but if I got free dinner from a restaurant, I would lose my scholarship.
Gianna, you are a tremendous documentary creator. You ask the right questions and tell the stories well. Multiple different topics and all I have enjoyed. Keep up the good work, well done!
Southpark killed it when they covered this.
Those students are treated like slaves, they deserve to reap the rewards of their skill & labor.
dude nobody forces them to play sports
@ it aint free
@@hakmada At least they're not part of the 70% of students that will graduate with a debt. Most of those will have to pay it for more than a decade. If they want to get paid, then leave and try to get drafted.
@@macfacers
Your right. Who cares about the minimum wage and healthcare in this country. I mean..........China they pay 2$ an hour for child labor and implement suicide nets.
So why are we unhappy with the 7.15 federal min wage?
College kids go in debt? Yea cause they aren't top world class athletes.
How about becoming a top world class athlete and prfoting off your likeness. O wait??? We can't. Cause u know. A guy name Jacob who cant run without tripping is going into college debt so let's restrict people from profiting off their own abilities
@@jimmydane34they're free to go play at junior leagues and get paid there
This was a very well executed story by vice that needed to be told YEARS ago.
I think documentary is old. Notice the lack of masks
This is pure greed and exploitation, they simply prey on the poor.🤬
40k a year education, 160k degree. 2-4k food allowance 8-16k over 4 years. Allowances ranging from a few hundred to a couple thousand, no set amount not fair to estimate. But room and board 2-8k over 4 years 8-32k. I'm not sure how you can at all whine about exploitation with these numbers being given solely based on athletic prospects and the necessity to keep a C average. And that's not even tapping into the future benefits of said education and the platform given to become future millionaires if athletics pays off.
@@packerpf and a little brain trauma
@@packerpf your comment is spot on. People just act like college fees are cheap at these big schools. They are not its extremely expensive. The only thing I would say is that alot of these student athletes get degrees that are easy to get while being busy with sports. Which sort of screws them in the long run. Some degrees are unattainable while being so busy with sports and those are generally higher paying
@@packerpf So because education is crazy expensive in this country , athletes should be taken advantage of? You avoid the obvious just like others do in this video. Other countries don't have this problem. You're just defending the status quo. These athletes work 24/7 and make MILLIONS for their schools. They should be paid.
packerpf they bring in more money than 40k a year buddy. The average ticket for the duke vs Kentucky game was $2,000. And what are athletes who are gonna go one and done going to do with one year of education
Thank you to everyone at VICE for all of the hard work that you put into this important report.
This sucks! These "student athletes" can't even take full advantage of their "free" education because they work them so hard.
Cartman: Helloo good sir, I was wondering How you got around not paying your slaves
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They get free tuition and living expenses, worth 100000$ easily
@Jonah Falcon dude, there is a free market for the professional athletes, you can always drop out of college and go there, just like the dude from the end of the video. you just have to be ready that statistically you'll fail on the free market.
@@JogBird free tuition but not free books cant play ur kicked out
Profits not given to workers is indentured servitude/slavery
@A G wrong a school doesn't make billions, the WHOLE NCAA makes billions that means you'd have to split ALL profits and guess what the bigger conferences are going to DEMAND their athletes get more as they are more on tv, they do more, they bring in more views, etc. You clearly fail to understand how this works. It's not both you either get your paid education, room and board, food and allowance and all school trips covered by school or you can start paying for all that out of what little you MAY get when all settled who gets what from the ncaa, which many don't realize would be under 20k a year per student easily. Schools provide immense support all around, including tutors that others may have to pay for, and it's because school is about EDUCATION FIRST, not your athletic prospects. But they still allow you to pursue both and give you a platform to be a future millionaire through hard work.
@@theboss181000 People taken against their will , kept against will and forced to work in factories or brothels are SLAVES bc they have NO CHOICE. Its5 literally the definition of slavery. (If you can walk away safely &/or have a choice you are not enslaved . As for "the man " keeping more profits than everyone below him, welcome to the world 🙄
"These colleges will take advantage of you, so you have to take advantage of them" perfectly said. The new bill that was signed in California, allowing players to profit in their names is a game changer.
Sean Rhatigan paid with a degree? Hah, they’re barely even there a majority of the time for the classes that they get credit for. How can you be okay with coaches making millions off of the players that they train when the athletes families struggle behind the scenes? Just doesn’t make sense.
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This is the shit I like
I played division 1 golf for the NCAA for 4 years. My days spanned from 6:30 workout, to getting home from the golf course @9:00pm from practice. During that time, I had to figure out how to have enough money for food as it would be impossible to work doing school, traveling & training.
I don’t want to say that I wasn’t thankful for my chance to compete in the NCAA against some of the best college golfers in the world, but the idea that myself, or none of my fellow “co-workers” were not paid. It’s truly a tragic thing, and I don’t think a lot of people will be able to understand the life of a college athlete. No, this was not a 9-5 job. It was a 24/7 job.
“Yeah but you got a scholarship, that’s the payment.” Well, yeah a scholarship is great, but money to buy a decent meal is also great as well. Our school profited millions, over the span of my career. This notion that NCAA athletes are not able to be paid, or even make money privately with our media presence, it’s disgusting. If someone asked me today, if it’s worth it to have the NCAA collegiate athlete experience. I ask them, do you want some nice clothes for the chance to be exploited? Go ahead and find out for yourself.
Bro you get free meals at the college everyday? This ain't about havin no meals to eat its about top players not being able to get paid for there likeniss with endorcement deals and shit
So you gon act like you didn't get free meals everyday? Lol this not about having no free meals it's about players not being able to profit off there likeniss or anything with endorcement deals and shit, you a golf player how much do you expect to get paid? I ain't hating or anything but golf is not a top sport in college
The NCAA must be held accountable for their dubious system.
These athletes should 100% be paid. Schools dont even pay for there education. The players just get a piece of paper with the schools name on it.
They dont even pay for the players health years after getting injured making the college money.....
It's crazy how this has gone on for so long.
They do pay for their education. You sound drunk.
@@leobowman8149 And if you idiots knew anything about college sports, You would know that star athletes and high profile programs basically put the athletes through "ghost" classes or classes that are extremely easy to pass.
College is a waste of money for most degrees anyways.
They say you get a full ride but you don't you end up paying getting 60%-70% payed for a lot of families can't pay the rest
@soberpunk You obivously suck at hockey if you're playing 'club' hockey, not everyone is as talentless as you, just because no one else will pay you a dime, doesn't mean LaMelo ball shouldn't make money, and unlike you, I actually played D-1 in a top program, haha, fighting so hard to stop this, on every post due to jealousy.
You sound like a loser with a small weiner too, haha, Hockey my ass. Limpwrist loser that couldn't even make the few D-1 teams in the U.S., Club Hockey, only on, since you pay 'a feee'psshhhh.. haha whatever, Athletes will and are getting paid, and though my time is done, I have no problem with it. Well, since I actually am a man, and earned and made something of myself.. Unlike you. Good luck, nancy.
High school: Sponsored by Nike
College: Sponsored by Under Armour
Welcome to capitalism!
When they say we invested money into facilities it only makes their real estate more valuable in which makes them richer
But these "facilities" are already "socialized." I thought you guys care only care about being "good" socialists? How about simply not signing contracts that you don't plan to honor?
Ya because no players would benefit from better facilities.
Those better facilities "only makes their players skills more valuable in which makes them richer."
But lets do like you say and not have good facilities.
See what it looks like when you arent blinded by bias.
That was so well edited, researched, and filmed. Exceptional job, seriously outstanding.
At the very least, they should get royalties or something when a product with their name or face is sold.
The better question should be, why do we have sports in college. College is supposed to be for higher learning and not profiting off of your students physical abilities.
(i thought it was a farm system for professional sports
@@ashleyjanit5052
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Mickey The maltipoo high schools have teams why wouldn’t college?
@mr. JDP P
its called free college
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Anything else you need help with?
@@orecoast1 free college that you arent allowed to participate in, because youre forced to spend your entire day training on the field, gym, or court?
Peyton is a baller now on the Bucs so happy for him
You're thinking of Joe Montana.
Don’t even need to pay them just allow them to make money of there athletic ability’s
Or don’t pay them but let them make money if there own name like sign a shoe deal make money off jersey sells etc etc
i cant describe the amount of stress I felt just WATCHING Peyton Barber wait for his call. He's a good dude.
I am a law student and would like to help college athletes get paid one day. They should at least be able to profit off their own likeness. I do not think it should be the same for high school students though. Great video, thanks!
“Student Atholetes” oh that is brilliant sir!
UncleBen 😂
@ yeah...that was the joke....🤨
UncleBen makes no sense
Texas Tech be like we can't pay athletes because we spent all this money on this nice facility. Kind of interesting how they value buildings over people
most people are worthless
“...I don’t know if you know my Mum but she is homeless right now...” 💔 ...while the coaches, athletic directors, commissioners...even the bloody equipment guy cash in their money. What I really don’t like is the inability for athletes to earn off their own image pre college and then during college.
So many moving factors and things to consider when making general statements that college athletes should be paid for playing // representing their college’s during their tenure at the collegiate level.
So let’s first decide what exactly are people advocating. Is it only the college student athlete should receive an income for services // participation in the sports program. or are people wanting any person in any capacity who is affiliated with a school be entitled to an income if their actions // services generate any revenue to the school
So then does this only pertain the college and not at the high school level? Because my former high was/is a powerhouse in football with 5,000 attendees per home game (min 5 home games a year. Because at $10 a ticket that $50,000 generated per game, not including shirts and concessions.
So this can’t be an argument at college level. It must be applied to any person attending any institution
Also - when you now want put this argument in a vacuum, you must isolate every college independently because each institution has vastly different programs generating millions v hundreds of thousands of dollars each each:
Then you need to isolate each college sport into their own revenue machine i.e men’s football now must operate and disenfranchise itself from say women’s softball
So a school like Alabama. Every dollar brought in by the football program gets redistributes to every other sport on campus to keep them afloat. All women on a softball scholarship valued at $80k per student now loses their financial backings from the football team and their own team revenue must first break even at all costs on paying scholarships coaches, medical staff and travels
Ok bye bye to every student scholarship not associated with Men’s football and basketball programs. If the men’s football team now is responsible to operate as a business in Order to pay their athletes a salary plus scholarships. Then a starting QB will his his own paycheck v a punters since the start QB is worth may more in terms of revenue brought e
I could on and At ripple effect on paying salaries to college players and their agents
Bottom line no athlete should be paid any type of salary but every athlete SHOULD ABSOLUTELY get paid and own likeness rights and be able to monitize their own brand as a person to generate income. Thus, college players make money on their jerseys sales and or any endorsement deals they can generate through an agent and businesses want d to use them as a spokes person
I've been following this topic for years. This was done well, but, yet again like other articles, interviews, documentaries, and the like, it doesn't go deep into questions I've had for years: If players get paid, will they then get a union? How will insurance work? Do they get a 401k? Is there a salary cap? Are they university employees now or work for hire/contract workers? What happens w/ other sports that don't generate money but are kept alive from the money made from football/bball/bigger sports; will they be cut?
These are all details that no one's really touched on. So, it's hard to really say "Oh pay players" w/o a concrete solution that answers many of these questions.
I will say, though, the folks getting screwed over the most are the football players b/c at least hoops players have a good number of paid options from g league to playing overseas. As far as I know, if you want to make the NFL, you only have college football and nothing else as an option after HS.
If they payed athletes it could’ve prevented Bryce Gowdy’s death
Maybe but there was probably other issues like being homesick and mainly mental estate
@@tajcook5104 a lot of it had to do with his family's financial situation too, so probably could have been prevented.
Who holds a pre-celebratory party before knowing if they have been drafted or not? I couldn't deal with the shame. It's like going for a job interview and people saying you've got this, only for it to be offered to someone else...
It's a thing during the NFL draft. The families gather together to support the hopeful athlete. Especially if he was predicted to be drafted, I'd say it's justified.
Yeah, this is funny that his mom is homeless but they have money to throw a party
@@Clockworkg1rl Probably sponsored by a local car dealership or something.
The worst was his aunt calling him from an unknown number lmao! He thought it was a team and she asks him "damn how long we gon have to wait".
So proud of millennials...they know their worth, their rights, and are confident about their abilities to get what is deserved.
Excellent journalism Gianna, thanks for this!!!
I love well shot investigative journalism videos. Well done, VICE.
They only reason why this business dose so good is because we watch an go
News flash to that coach in Texas GI bill pays you to go to school
...after you spend four years in living hell. Aparrently, you never served.
@@maxdominate2481 5 or 6 depending on rate/mos.
@@Iamonepercent - That is a lot of time as an indentured servant.
“There’s no money in college football” Zorro rides onto the pitch at 6:19
BA at Clemson costs $250K all in...hard to say Martin Jenkins et al on 'full rides' did not "profit off (their) athletic ability".
what about cheer/dance/band? Team student managers? Where would it end? How much would be available for salaries? If you take it from the coaches and administrators...wouldn't they leave? Wouldn't that degrade the product and therefore degrade the profit?
The issue is not whether student athletes should be paid. It's whether or not and HOW the NCAA should be profiting off of the students likeness. Further whether or not the NCAA can legally prevent the student from profiting off of their likeness. Even if it's based on the students affiliation with NCAA athletics.
What I think has happened is the NCAA has become the defacto farm system for professional athletics. So while the NCAA is profiting, professional sports teams are saving a bundle. The money universities receive is substantial and is undermining the primary purpose of the University itself. We will all pay the price for that.
the end of amateurism will definitely change college athletics .....in some ways for the good and other ways not so good.
Peyton signed a 2 year, $3 million dollar deal with the Washington Redskins this past offseason. He's made it. I cried for him.
Free tuition, housing, books, food, and stipend. At any decent school that's worth 40-80k a year. I think they do just fine and are paid.
I'm not an American, but I'm leaving a comment here to let you guys know that Andrew Yang (D) is running for president and one of his policy is to pay these athletes.
If you're going to post a video, ensure it has current information or give the publishing date. There is no information on the 2019 California court case, which has major implications for this story.
Unpopular opinion here (please bear with me): College athletes should NOT get paid. The scholarship money they receive is enough compensation for being a student-athlete. Paying the players will distract them from the primary reason for attending the university in the first place, which should be to get an education. Athletics should be no more important than academics for these student-athletes.
HOWEVER, that is definitely not to say that the system doesn't need work. It needs a LOT of work. First off, there needs to be a reasonable limit on how much training can take place in a given week so that the players can find time to work on their studies. It's completely ridiculous that players are expected to spend all this time training and flying places to play and then come back to school running on 3 hours of sleep. Second, and much more important, there needs to be a whole separate league (separate from college) constructed to allow serious pro-bound athletes to skip the whole college process altogether and allow them to play professionally. The players need OPTIONS. This will be solved by (in the case of the NBA) removing the one-and-done rule and expanding the G-league to become a more enticing and realistic option for prospective NBA players who need that year of extra development whilst uninterested in continuing their academic careers. Hopefully this will drain the funds from the corrupt NCAA and reallocate those dollars to the players in a free-market friendly way.
At the end of the day, if someone wants to go straight to the pros and skip receiving a college degree altogether, then who's right is it to stop them? This is America, the land where I thought people had the right to choose what is best for their lives.
I have so much more to say about this topic but I'll end it on that. Thank you for reading this mini-rant and I hope it may have given you a different perspective
The point is for the students to continue to be exploited for the purpose of generating revenue for the larger institution. It's not entirely different than the slavery model. We exploit child labor around the world for our betterment and quality of life, and it stands to reason that, institutionally, we would do the same thing regarding our academic children.
I'd love to see brands like UA start their own leagues, autonomous of colleges... that would certainly shake things up. Lots of young athletes have no interest in college, they just HAVE to go in order to get recruited.
Once a league is created that competes against college football that pays these 18-21 year olds. College football is over.
Excellent journalism in this video.
8:56, we have $300 million to spend on upgrading the facilities, but an additional $2,000,000 of expenses on student athletes and we might have to consider cutting some athletes.
That just sound like "Slavery with extra steps."
Plenty of college athletes get paid-just not with a payroll check.
I love the threats veiled as concerns by the colleges. "I hope we don't have to end opportunities" as they keep lining their pockets with money earned by their athletes.
The only reason I don’t agree with the NCAAs student-athlete slogan is because when I was at university all the players were tired because they had to wake up early in the morning to practice and frequently missed lecture to go to out of town tournaments and games etc... idk to me it seems like athletics comes before academics
Love this reporter, actually engaging and thought out video
A lot of you are missing a big picture. If a school is bringing in all that kinda of money it's Tution should be damn near cheaper!!!!
Peyton Barber received a 2mil deal this past year with the Bucs good for him ✌🏼
"STUDENT ATHO-LETES"
Topics aside the filming is beautiful well done to the editors and cinematographers
The coaches offering their athletes " luxuries" instead of more money, is the same shit that we see in job listings, one job would offer "25% off gym membership for staff", "cycle to work scheme" etc when the employers could simply give you a higher wage and let you allocate your own money
If a company encourages you to exercise, you will be more healthy (fewer sick days on average, lower mortality rate) less chance of having to pay death in service benefits. Also permanent health insurance and health insurance premiums will be lower with healthier employees. And employees who value health benefits will self select to apply to the company. If you have a company of any size it's beneficial to encourage positive physical and mental health. If you just throw money at people you might not get the same output for the same cost.