An excerpt on power generation for whipping strikes, focusing on thoracic mobility and reactive breathing from a seminar on the use of the X axis and twisted lead.
This dude is the only guy who has ever explained these weird systema punches and and I have trained many times at vlads Hq in Toronto. I stopped because I wasn’t advancing at all because there was no structure or explanation. Just a bunch of esoteric mumbo jumbo. Kevin, please make more of these and demystify systema. I KNOW the punches and tactics are legit, I have felt them. But no one ever explains shit.
Not bad, but in a self defense situation I believe that you want to keep it as simple as possible. A back fist is easier to remember and apply, and if you practice it a lot you can vary the entry angle and point of impact without changing the action much. It is also really fast.
Absolutely this is a more advanced concept -not at all basic. We are assuming advanced biomechanics and breath understanding here. But fir what it’s worth at that point it applies to any strike
Nothing you do after impact has any effect on impact. Whatever damage that is done to target is done during the time of contact. His description of a whip is incorrect. The pulling motion occurs before contact. Because the whip is a supple material this creates a standing wave with an amplitude relative to arm motion. As this wave (and its energy) moves down the whip, it moves faster (preserving energy due to smaller amplitude). Thus at the end of the strike the tip is carrying the full movement of the initial arm movement and its snap back. A whip motion may be a useful metaphor here for this teacher for various reasons, but again, the nothing he does after contact effects his target.
The retraction is about bypassing target fixation and flowing from one target to the next--the next aggressor specifically. It is not a more powerful strike necessarily but rather a more continuous and effective tool in group encounters.
Question: Although the "whipping back" motion makes complete sense, but when you pull back doesn't it keep all the energy of your strike on the surface and muscle of the opponent? Wouldn't you want to push the punch through like most systema style of striking, because not pulling back the fist is generally a principle in systema except if you are trying to keep the energy of the surface of course. Thank You.
Whipping strikes are always about surface. It is often referred to as trinity striking. Gruntovsky style classical work uses it heavily. The idea is to attack the eyes and throat, groin, etc, in a buoyant way with a high degree of torque transition and a floating center of gravity. The driving principle is only emphasized in the Ryabko approach. Kadochnikov and Retuinskih also use a high degree of whipping from perimeter distance and in multiple attacker scenarios.
ohhh... ok that makes more sense. although I do have another question, I remember a while back that you made another video on systema whip style striking, and you should the different "penetration levels" you could do, and in the end you hit a man in a grey hoodie (with what looked to me as a whip style strike) and you hit him very deep, and almost put him on the ground in pain. Was that a different style of whip strikes, or did I miss understand it? Thank you very much for your work on these videos, they are excellent and a blessing.
***** The difference there is just how long you linger making contact--the "time on target" as it is commonly called. The vid above is more for a quick jabbing shot--a stick and move type situation. If you can afford to stay in contact for a half second, the hit automatically becomes much more penetrating. This is easy to feel--as are so many things--with a stick. If you tap someone with a stick and pull it back quickly, it stays on the surface. Then deliver even less force but let the stick stay heavily in contact and the force vibrates through the body and transmits more deeply like a rock plunging into a still lake. Hope this helps.
True if you are looking st it just as a tool. If you look at it as a mechanical understanding however, this movement pattern allows you to create less orthodox striking combinations not available with simple piston-like linear strikes. Moreover it becomes essential when displacing weight, like when throwing another human or swinging a heavy weapon.
You also need to remember this is being used to explore thoracic mobility and reactive breath. To see what end application looks like check out my renovated boxing clips. This is attribute cultivation for those who understand the work not a fighting combo
I suggest you watch some Bas Ruten pan ease fights. Open hands have just as much potential to knock you out as a fist and even more likely to stunt when they hit the eyes. I’ve used a ton of slaps when I worked the door . They also save your hands.
yanagi's training be like:
ON GOD
Hey Coach thank you for the videos I love your knowledge. God bless coach & keep up the videos. Combat Systema 4ever 👍👍🙏
Thanks very much. I’m glad you enjoy them
Beautiful, a great drill. Would have loved to see it's combat application too. A+
The best explanation of systema punches I've ever seen
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
@@Combatprofessor it makes me extremely happy that you're replying and thanking people on a 10yr old video.
@@Lucidbkeo I appreciate you watching.
This dude is the only guy who has ever explained these weird systema punches and and I have trained many times at vlads Hq in Toronto. I stopped because I wasn’t advancing at all because there was no structure or explanation. Just a bunch of esoteric mumbo jumbo.
Kevin, please make more of these and demystify systema. I KNOW the punches and tactics are legit, I have felt them. But no one ever explains shit.
Not bad, but in a self defense situation I believe that you want to keep it as simple as possible. A back fist is easier to remember and apply, and if you practice it a lot you can vary the entry angle and point of impact without changing the action much. It is also really fast.
Absolutely this is a more advanced concept -not at all basic. We are assuming advanced biomechanics and breath understanding here. But fir what it’s worth at that point it applies to any strike
Backfists are also the best way of destroying your backhand or wrist if your timing is off. Better off with a hammer fist.
Jit is the real life yanagi
In what kind of circumstance would you use this strike?Seems like an odd angle to use as a pre emptive strike.
I like the idea of this strike but are there more videos on this? I'm curious about it.
Nothing you do after impact has any effect on impact. Whatever damage that is done to target is done during the time of contact. His description of a whip is incorrect. The pulling motion occurs before contact. Because the whip is a supple material this creates a standing wave with an amplitude relative to arm motion. As this wave (and its energy) moves down the whip, it moves faster (preserving energy due to smaller amplitude). Thus at the end of the strike the tip is carrying the full movement of the initial arm movement and its snap back. A whip motion may be a useful metaphor here for this teacher for various reasons, but again, the nothing he does after contact effects his target.
The retraction is about bypassing target fixation and flowing from one target to the next--the next aggressor specifically. It is not a more powerful strike necessarily but rather a more continuous and effective tool in group encounters.
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification.
There are different "whips" this is one not all
Absolutely. You might enjoy this clip: th-cam.com/video/JFAJaqX0J_g/w-d-xo.html There is more variety in it.
Question: Although the "whipping back" motion makes complete sense, but when you pull back doesn't it keep all the energy of your strike on the surface and muscle of the opponent? Wouldn't you want to push the punch through like most systema style of striking, because not pulling back the fist is generally a principle in systema except if you are trying to keep the energy of the surface of course. Thank You.
Whipping strikes are always about surface. It is often referred to as trinity striking. Gruntovsky style classical work uses it heavily. The idea is to attack the eyes and throat, groin, etc, in a buoyant way with a high degree of torque transition and a floating center of gravity. The driving principle is only emphasized in the Ryabko approach. Kadochnikov and Retuinskih also use a high degree of whipping from perimeter distance and in multiple attacker scenarios.
ohhh... ok that makes more sense. although I do have another question, I remember a while back that you made another video on systema whip style striking, and you should the different "penetration levels" you could do, and in the end you hit a man in a grey hoodie (with what looked to me as a whip style strike) and you hit him very deep, and almost put him on the ground in pain. Was that a different style of whip strikes, or did I miss understand it? Thank you very much for your work on these videos, they are excellent and a blessing.
***** The difference there is just how long you linger making contact--the "time on target" as it is commonly called. The vid above is more for a quick jabbing shot--a stick and move type situation. If you can afford to stay in contact for a half second, the hit automatically becomes much more penetrating. This is easy to feel--as are so many things--with a stick. If you tap someone with a stick and pull it back quickly, it stays on the surface. Then deliver even less force but let the stick stay heavily in contact and the force vibrates through the body and transmits more deeply like a rock plunging into a still lake. Hope this helps.
Got it! thank you, it makes a lot of sense, keep up the great work!
+TheTexasgun even if it's just surface muscle, a slap hurts everyone the same. a baby to a trained MMA practitioner will feel it the same.
Wow very nice content
Thanks for watching.
There are so many ways to hurt another human, the whip is not the strongest way for our arms to hit another. Is simply one way of many.
True if you are looking st it just as a tool. If you look at it as a mechanical understanding however, this movement pattern allows you to create less orthodox striking combinations not available with simple piston-like linear strikes. Moreover it becomes essential when displacing weight, like when throwing another human or swinging a heavy weapon.
You also need to remember this is being used to explore thoracic mobility and reactive breath. To see what end application looks like check out my renovated boxing clips. This is attribute cultivation for those who understand the work not a fighting combo
Not gonna lie it looks silly but actually effective.
@@jasontodd6779 it’s does look ridiculous. More of an exaggerated cultivation drill than actual application.
Remake this video plss
I may have other videos that answer your question. What aspect are you unclear on?
Bruh if I get smacked in a fight I'm breaking that arm
That’s an easy assumption to make. You gotta be standing after the smack .
I suggest you watch some Bas Ruten pan ease fights. Open hands have just as much potential to knock you out as a fist and even more likely to stunt when they hit the eyes. I’ve used a ton of slaps when I worked the door . They also save your hands.
We could actually use this in slap battle😂😂😂
@@JustSomeGuyWhoisLost lol
@@Combatprofessor I mean all things you've said seems to be legal on that match so...🤣
that looks like a weak technique
But if you learned physics you'd knew you're wrong
It's a super advanced concept