One thing I really appreciate with the Historia Civilis videos is the calm tempo of the narration and little breathing pauses here and there. In an age where everyhing seems to be moving more and more towards rapid fire delivery full of references, jokes and memes, I find this approach very welcome and soothing! I also like the «hypnotic» synth music that drones on under the narration.
it gives a calm but upbeat feeling while also educating people about what they’re talking about you don’t see it too much people make videos in their own ways now so it’s really good to see in my opinion
Likewise, any TH-camr where I feel I need to play at a lower speed - unless their content is worth overcoming it for which is rare - is going on my never watch list
I agree, sometimes I put on his videos on a playlist that I sleep to in the background. I can't sleep well without something playing in the background.
It’s the characteristic of a great orator to. I hate to bring up his name, but Adolf Hitler had the same ways of making people feel engaged, pause for suspense before making your point, start light and more professional and add more emotion as you go on.
Would love to see you complete his series on Caesars civil war, considering your own interest in the US civil war. It’s seriously one of the best history series on TH-cam in my view when you go all the way from the Rubicon to Actium.
100% give the fans what we want, Chris 😂 Understand he doesn’t like to do too many in a row and perhaps finishing ceasars campaigns in Gaul might be a lot, but picking up where he last left on on the civil war would be sweet.
Yes! It’s incredible, like I know about the TVshow Rome HBO, but I think that one could have been even better if it followed a story like that one. I would have loved to watch that series, and also make it a bit game of thronesy, a bit brutal, conflicting characters on both sides, and for many, it would have plenty of plot twists, And the series would function so well into Caligula and Claudius time to. I have so many ideas!!!!!! Arghhh
This is crazy good timing. The South Korean president tried a similar coup of his legislature and it seems like he failed just like Charles did. After this series please do an episode on South Korea's presidents
Go look into all the previous 'presidents' of South Korea and look at how their terms ended, lol. Everything will make sense after you see the list. The country isn't ran by democracy - it's ran by corporatism.
@@samfann1768 Chris just has an amazing thing going he let’s the og youtuber get their facts out then he adds a little more insight if he has any to add without taking away from the creator it’s like advanced education in a way but for free. VTH is a great channel to really understand the depths of history nd what impact certain moments nd events caused lol
hey chris, i hope you are doing well. just wanted to let you know that i appreciate your effort in maintaining this channel and community through thick and thin. the fact that im sure you’ll read this is a testament to that. i know time can’t heal some wounds, but the model you are providing for your kids and your community is invaluable. i know im just some random commenter, but at least from my perspective, you’re doing everything right. best of luck my man.
Reason to watch the video: 1. Learn more about a very significant time period in an important neighboring country? Good guess. 2. Learn what happened in your current most-frequently played game 6 years before game start? That's why!
Once again I am recommending the fantastic "The Other Great Game" series by Old Britannia about the history of Diplomatic relations between the UK and the US for a reaction. It's an amazing series.
Everyone always gives Bourbon restoration a lot of flack but I think Louis 18th wasn't a bad king. He really tried balancing all factions and was successful enough that he died on his throne, last French king to do so. He even kind of predicted that Charles 10th would mess it up with his Ultra policies.
Well, the restoration was an imposed regime upon the French people to roll back the french revolution and it was backed by the violence of eight wars, so probably that is why
2:49 Hey Chris, I must add to this because he doesn’t add the context behind that invasion. That moment is known as the Hundred Thousand Sons of Saint Louis. It was an “invasion” by Louis XVIII to restore his distant cousin Fernando VII back to the throne as an absolutist monarch. Why? Because in 1820, things were going bad in Spain after the Peninsular War and the wars of independence in Hispanic America. Also, the king had nullified the constitution of 1812 just three years before. So, in 1820, he prepared a massive army to go to Venezuela to retake the viceroyalty but poor coordination, lack of pay and bad living conditions forced the commanders and soldiers to turn against the monarch. To regain their power and not create a civil war, Fernando reinstated the constitution and allowed liberal ministers in his government known as the Liberal Triennium. Since they essentially held more power combined than the king, they held him under house arrest was their prisoner in all but name. In 1822, as the concept of the Concert of Europe was being put in place and were worried about Spain’s liberal government. The economic situation failed to improved and many turned against the liberal government. That same year, Fernando signed Spain’s application to the terms of the Congress of Vienna (which they had rejected in 1815) and the Congress allowed France to intervene in Spain, which they did the following year. Many cities surrendered quickly and the only significant battle took place outside of Cadiz with less than 1,000 casualties on both sides. The liberal government dissovled itself and Fernando restored as an absolute monarch until his death in 1833.
The fact that nobody in Spain cared about the Liberal constitution and didn't fought a Bourbon French army but fought Napoleon tells you what the Spanish mindset was
i think that i commented the same on your reaction to Historia Civilis previous video, but the Spanish Constitution was not made by Napoleon, it was made by the Cadiz Cortes in opposition to Napoleon's Constitution, i think Historia Civilis mixed them up (understandable if you read any Spanish history from the 19th century). Anyways great video by Historia Civilis and great reaction, love the new thumbnail style
A French head of state who calls an early election that leads to legislative gridlock and the PM is chosen not because his side won the most seats but because he agreed with the head of state and this leads to mass resentment and instability, whilst the whole time financing a foreign war. Who could imagine such a thing happening?
Charles the 18th believed that the French Revolution happened because Louis was too willing to compromise . So he does kind of make sense here. The very night the bastille was stormed, Charles asked his brother to assume absolute power and dissolve the estates general. Louis refused and the next day Charles left France. He became the very first French emigree.
Visited my parents for Thanksgiving and my Dad and I binged the congress of Vienna and July Revolution videos from Historia Civilis, my mom fell asleep but my dad loved it heh.
Great video as always. It's fascinating how much they didn't learn from what happened a few decades earlier. The quote "We learn from history that we do not learn from history" being relevant as usual.
That loophole may have been intentional (just a guess). I mean, after the war monarchy was imposed by force on France, it's not like the people were the ones that created that constitution. So I guess it should not be surprising to see it contains that kind of stuff.
Ahhh was waiting for this one! Literally my first thought after watching the original video was "VTH should do a reaction of this one, it was right in his wheelhouse".
If you’re interested in learning more about the prestige focused mindset of 19th century colonialism I’d recommend some of old Britannia’s videos on Salisbury. Interesting perspective to see
Fun Fact, Victor Hugo, author of Les Mis was a child during the July Revolution and used it as the background of the book. He would later write about seeing bullets flying back and forth down streets.
Victor Hugo was born in 1802 and died in 1885. In 1830, he wasn't a child, he was a grown man and a successful published author. His play "Hernani" had caused a scandal as a manifesto for Romantic drama in opposition to classical theater, right before the July Revolution started. Also it's very reductive to confine him to "Les Misérables", man wrote half the poetry of the 19th century and a good bit of the plays and novels too.
@@samrevlej9331I think either OP is wrong, or Hugo made the very common mistake of confusing memories. there were some riots in Paris going on during his childhood, he could’ve easily conflated the violence then with what he’d see later.
I question how the French Spanish expedition was viewed by the other Great Powers. The Spanish king appealed to both the Holy Alliance and the Quadruple Alliance for assistance. Other than Britain, the leadership of thr other three Great Powers were supportive of French intervention. The intervention itself for the most part was relatively bloodless with only one real though minor battle.
Invade Spain was the wrong thing to do, but the global war was not going to happen for a simple reason, the other powers liked the Bourbons, and disliked the Spanish Liberals, it wasn't Napoleon against the absolutist king where they sided with Spain for logical reasons, and also is pretty important that the invasion was done as established by the fifth powers alliance. The thing is that it didn't mattered a strong France, as long as it was not revolutionary. Also the Monarchists ignoring the people was a foregone conclusion, no one liked them, only were there because of the foreign powers, the people didn't want them, and they didn't like the people either, the purpose of they being there was just to keep the common people out of power. Also it's worth noticing that Charles X as the Count of Artois leaded the reprisals during the second white terror. Then you have Algiers, Algiers was one of the few allies of Napoleon, and the king invaded it with an army leaded by Beurmont, the man that gave the allies, Napoleon's plan before Waterloo, so he was not liked. And finally, at the end the rest of the European powers will not smash the Revolution of July 1830 not because they accepted Louis Phillipe but because they had to deal with Polish Uprising
The discussion about the role of elections and the impact of not listening to elections as a reflection of the will of the people helped me come to terms with the result of the recent election.
13:47 technically speaking, the king of France was executed for collaborating with foreign powers to overthrow the revolutionary government and not for rejecting reforms
A simple way to describe French monarchists since the late 18th century is detached from reality, like every single revolution against the French monarchy was caused by the monarchy itself.
@@whilryke after the fall of Napoleon III the last French Bourbon was offered the throne but he refused because he wanted to end the usage of the tricolour flag as the flag of France and return to the old white Bourbon flag. Naturally the government couldn't agree because the tricolour had become a symbol of France and part of the people's identity. The government tried to come up with the compromise of having the white banner as the king's personal standard and the tricolour as the national flag but the guy refused and so he wasn't restored. The Pope's reaction to the entire thing was the funniest one:" All of that over napkin....". Basically they blew the last chance to rule because of some symbolic bs.
@masterplokoon8803 The funniest/saddest is that I talked to French monarchists who still defend that stupid decision as a principled stance. Really, detached from reality.
@@masterplokoon8803 It wasn't just over the flag, the Comte de Chambord was making a point, if they were going to fight him on the flag they were going to fight him on more serious matters, he had no interest in being a figurehead.
I would argue part of the reason the UK kept their monarchy around with parliament is because Queen Victoria was in power for so long and was herself okay with ceding more power, to the point that by her death, the English monarchy pretty closely resembled the monarchy of today in terms of its role (the power of the monarchy had already been diminished during the reign of George III). Had Victoria not reigned as long as she did, had a restorationist come to power again during the 19th century, it's possible that Britain also has a revolution that deposes the monarchy altogether.
Another great video Chris. Looks like Ohio St and my Tennessee Vols have a shot at playing each other in the CFP! Would love if you came down for a visit to watch some good football.
I would love to see you react to George Carlin's video talking about Christopher Columbus and the indians. I've often heard people say that Columbus called them Indians cuz he thought he was in India. But George Carlin talks about some of Columbus's writings where he calls the American Indians a people in dios. Dios is God in Spanish, so if that is true calling them Indian is basically Columbus calling them a people in God. Indios Indian
To clarify, this video is not very correct concerning the French intervention in Spain. Is presented as if it was a reckless and nonsensical decission unilateraly taken by france but it was pretty much a result of the Congress of Troppau (1820) and the Congress of Verona (1822). In spite of opposition from the British and reluctance from Austria, France was backed by Prussia, Russia and Austria. In the early 20s Austria led the intervention in Italy against the revolutionaries in Naples too. Russia, Prussia and Austria were more afraid of a new revolution than of a new expansionist France. Spain was falling apart anyway.
Nobody's saying that France invaded Spain without consulting the other Great Powers. What everybody is saying is that the invasion itself was a stupid decision, because all it did was make the government more unpopular at home and abroad.
I agree that the intervention was a blunder, but it's kind of a massive factor whether or not it was done with the approval or disapproval of the rest of Europe. HC makes it seem as if the French conservatives willingly and boneheadedly risked war with the other great powers over Spain, but in reality, the French had reason to believe that "defending the conservative order" would improve their relations with every other continental great power (Britain being another matter, of course).
19:00, and it was worse than that, because not only did they decide to disband the national Guard, but the king and his government didn't even bother to make sure they were DISARMED first before they disbanded them. A hugely stupid move, considering that it certainly helped get the July revolution off the ground.
The saga of the blunderheads and fopdoodles, Ah! - I wished to be in that legislator council, "What is the day's labors?" says one, "Stalling and doing much ado about nothing!" replies the other. "Do we all still get paid for it?" - oh, of course, what other vocation is there when your sole function is to be literal human paperweights!
The good thing about Historia Civilis is that their videos could be used interchangeably between a high level high school history class and TH-cam and still be successful. They strike a great balance between entertaining, intriguing, and comprehensive presentation styles.
Great job as always, Chris! I think it's also important to keep in mind that the nephew assassinated at the beginning of the video was Charles' son. I'd be surprised if there wasn't lingering resentment towards the Republicans for that, especially since the Bourbon dynasty was having trouble producing heirs and this assassination killed the only son who lived to adulthood between the two Louis' and Charles. I agree with HC on a lot of Charles' moves being stupid or tone-deaf as you put it, even if they were technically legal which also you made a good point on, but I think it's fair to say the kings had reasons to be distrustful of their political opposition to some degree
I think Charles still wasn't up for the moment because he didn't realize what was politically feasible isn't the same as what is legal. Edited P.S. also the King's last statement in the video might as well be Palpatine's/Sideous's statement "Then I will make it legal."
It's easy to look at history from a top down perspective, taking in everything objectively, but just for a moment imagine what it would have been like to live through this period in French history. People of today complain about COVID, inflation (which isn't even bad historically speaking) and politics and are acting like it's the end times, but frankly all of this would have been a dream come true for someone living through this period of Frances history. It really gives me a perspective into how good we have it today and how dramatic people of today are.
The king doubled down and then jumped off the cliff, how did he think that this was going to end well for him? History repeats itself, its almost ironic and prophetic.
One of Polignacs' sons Prince Camille Polignac (February 16, 1832 - November 15, 1913) was the last surviving Confederate Major-General according to wikipedia.
I do appreciate that HC makes it quite obvious which parts are his opinions/analysis, though. Still, the video could have benefited from a few minutes spent explaining the political ideas of the French ultra-conservatives - an ideological context that makes their actions at least make some internal sense. (That a lot of their policies were half-baked and badly implemented even in an ultraconservative context is another matter.)
@@johanmilde Even things like calling the Spanish invasion "reckless" and "foolish" are disingenuous and only partially accurate. There were legitimate ideological and political reasons for what they did, and Louis XVIII was nowhere near as absolutist as HC makes him out to be. He accepted constitutional governance. It wasn't until Charles X that the absolutism kicked off.
@@richeybaumann1755 We can argue the accuracy of the claim, or that it is made with too much hindsight, but I see no reason to call it disingenuous - unless you believe HC is not only opinionated, but actively trying to mislead the audience? (I have no problem with saying that the claims are inaccurate or even untrue, but I am wary of calling people insincere.)
@johanmilde Well for one thing, he acts as of France's invasion of Spain came out of nowhere and without consulting the other Great Powers when the invasion was supported by the other Powers sans Britain (Which he stated in the previous video but seems to have done a 180 on that position for some reason) He also claims Villele convinced the king to invade, when Villele actually opposed the invasion on the grounds of expense and uncertainty as to the troops' ability and loyalty
Wow it is a noticeable change after yesterdays reaction reaction I can see you are trying to wait a little longer before stopping the video to discuss! I don’t have a strong preference either way but I’m sure you’ll settle at a comfortable pacing that makes sense for you and the video
After finishing the video, my preference is for you to continue chiming in whenever you have something to say and don’t worry about the timing at all. We are watching a VTH video after all, not a HC video.
Hi I would like to bring some precisions about the context : - the worker that killed the nephew of Louis XVIII wasn’t a republican he was a bonapartist supporter - the elective system back then in France had nothing to do with the one we know now, it’s was what we call the « suffrage censitaire ». The « cens » being a special tax only wealthy people would pay and so were the only ones allowed to vote (for exemple in the 1827 less than 100000 people actually voted) - about the invasion of Spain it was also due to the fact that despite showing himself as a more liberal inside the borders of France, Louis XVIII also had joined the Holy Alliance with Russia and Austria in order to defend autocratic conservative monarchies in Europe - Charles is arguably one of the worst kings of France, he himself declared : « I’d rather saw wood than rule like the king of England »
Hey guys, do you know if Chris reads DM's on discord? About a month ago i wrote him one but i dont know if he even is still on discord. Sometimes people just forget about the 10th socialmedia platform
Well here it is again. Recycling prestige and sovereignty status. Partially under Louis XV111 followed more dynamically under Charles X. As people would say the King has overall control again if he does not seem fit what part of the National Assembly proposes indifferently. Regardless of elections. Again following on what happened in the most turbulent shocking earlier French 1789 Revolution. Besides the unbalanced review on colonial persistence at the time in North Africa. Thanks Dean.
I think Bismarck had a similar view on colonies as te British colonialist, Canning her described in the video. He only got some few colonies for the German empire, because Willhelm wanted some emotional support since he didn’t possess the grande British colonies. Bismarck instead meant that Germany on its own had a much stronger and modern industry then all other nations at the time, wich made it superior (and I will agree, I think that’s why they could fight so many more enemies then themselfs in WW1). Bismarck said that colonies would only be a liability
France, at this time, might have been hesitant to "attack" the king directly, as doing so led to the terrors of the revolution, Bonaparte, and France's near destruction.
"What could possibly go wrong?" A better question is... "What did they think could possibly go right after all this?" The outcome is so predictable, how stupid could they have been to completely ignore it?
In regard to the French Invasion of Spain, he did not mention the Troppau Protocol which had been signed by several countries allowing interference in other countries to maintain the balance of power. Not saying that France was right to invade, but this is a reason some countries, like Russia, did not protest to their invasion of Spain.
you should react to kraut's "trumps biggest failure", the last ~quarter of the video is quite modern politics-centric (1st trump administration and predictions for the future) but the first ~three quarters are basically a history of china video with very interesting takes on the qing, century of humiliation, rise of the CCP etc. kraut is the same guy who made the turkish century video which you reacted to a while back
Serious question, does it help the algorithm if I like the video as soon as it starts, or if I wait till the last 10 seconds? Cause I usually hit it as soon as I start
I really liked the video, my only wish is that Historia Civilis had been a bit more clear and direct about what he means when he says that the colonial project in Algeria made no sense because colonies have to facilitate trade. Simply put, Algeria was not going to provide France with access to any trade routes or particular natural resources. The invasion was likely going to be a massive money sink in order to conquer a colony that was never going to be profitable, and everyone who weren’t the king or his handful of political allies knew it.
"It keeps suprising me that they give power to the landed and wealthy, but for some reason, they keep defaulting in that direction" Didnt the USA just elect a billionaire, who is appointing other billionaires, to "fix" problems caused by billionaires?
@@VloggingThroughHistory given that a certain person spend 200m on him, along with owning the biggest news outlet and deciding the algorithm, I'd argue you can make a case he indirectly was :)
11:55 the Spanish liberal constituition was no made by Napoleon, it was done by the Cortes of Cadiz who actually fought Napoleon. Napoleon's constitution was never applied to the whole country and was more about enlightened absolutism and granted much less freedoms than the Cadiz constitution. The Spanish people hated Napoleon and the fact that Historia Civilis repeated this mistake from the previous video baffles me.
No, it was not, the Bayonne charter actually granted more freedoms, and most important, wasn't about enlightened absolutism as it was always delegated on the delegates of the government, rather than Joseph, and also the constitution of Napoleon was a charter, then it was expanded upon. The liberal constitution was done after Salamanca, and to try to save the most before the return of the king, but also was permissive with the king as he was their beloved one, even if he didn't like them
@@omarbradley6807 the Bayonne constitution efectively didn't put any restraint on royal authority, only symbolic ones. The Cadiz constitution granted a lot more freedoms and rights to the people. Napoleon's constitution was made to make Spain an efective French vassal, not to empower the Spanish people.
@@masterplokoon8803 The Spanish nationalism in your commentary is pretty good looking, but remember that the war was fought by pro inquisition clergy and absolutist aristocrats against reformist peoples, the Bayonne charter never put much restrains because it didn't give power to the king at all, the Bayonne constitution gave the people civil rights, the Liberal constitution only give some people, political rights, but tied to the monarchy, and the king just didn't want anything to do with it
@@omarbradley6807 I'm neither Spanish nor nationalist, but a Napoleon fanboy is easy to recognize. The Cadiz constitution granted a lot more people rights specially voting rights, the Bayonne statute is pitifull by comparison and it wasn't A lot of the people who fought against Napoleon also fought against king Ferdinand's atempts to centralize power for himself. Lmao you actually tried to paint the Cortes of Cadiz as "pro inquisition".😅 And this is not even going into the fact the Bayonne constitution was never really applied to the country and French generals efectively rulled as bandit kings and warlords and openly ignored Joseph's authority. You just seem salty that the people your hero ocupied and plundred fought back and cannot get over the fact that people fight against foreign ocupations despite how "enlightened" they pretend to be.
@@masterplokoon8803 The Code Napoleon is widely considered as very progressive for 19th century standards; particularly compared to the age of restauration that followed in the aftermath. And, Spain is pretty much the European "gold standard" of conservatism, ever since 1492. - Napoleon's vision: Civil rights for everybody. And, the political power lies in Paris. Inacceptable, for about everyone. 😉
One thing I really appreciate with the Historia Civilis videos is the calm tempo of the narration and little breathing pauses here and there. In an age where everyhing seems to be moving more and more towards rapid fire delivery full of references, jokes and memes, I find this approach very welcome and soothing! I also like the «hypnotic» synth music that drones on under the narration.
it gives a calm but upbeat feeling while also educating people about what they’re talking about you don’t see it too much people make videos in their own ways now so it’s really good to see in my opinion
Likewise, any TH-camr where I feel I need to play at a lower speed - unless their content is worth overcoming it for which is rare - is going on my never watch list
Yes!!! I agree, I love the music in his videos. And the end theme, is just so banger. Most epic kahoot music
I agree, sometimes I put on his videos on a playlist that I sleep to in the background. I can't sleep well without something playing in the background.
It’s the characteristic of a great orator to. I hate to bring up his name, but Adolf Hitler had the same ways of making people feel engaged, pause for suspense before making your point, start light and more professional and add more emotion as you go on.
Would love to see you complete his series on Caesars civil war, considering your own interest in the US civil war. It’s seriously one of the best history series on TH-cam in my view when you go all the way from the Rubicon to Actium.
I second this proposition.
Agreed!
100% give the fans what we want, Chris 😂
Understand he doesn’t like to do too many in a row and perhaps finishing ceasars campaigns in Gaul might be a lot, but picking up where he last left on on the civil war would be sweet.
It's up to Tribune Aquilla
Yes! It’s incredible, like I know about the TVshow Rome HBO, but I think that one could have been even better if it followed a story like that one. I would have loved to watch that series, and also make it a bit game of thronesy, a bit brutal, conflicting characters on both sides, and for many, it would have plenty of plot twists, And the series would function so well into Caligula and Claudius time to. I have so many ideas!!!!!! Arghhh
This is crazy good timing. The South Korean president tried a similar coup of his legislature and it seems like he failed just like Charles did. After this series please do an episode on South Korea's presidents
my thoughts was the same.. like isn't this South Korea today loll
He tried to do it without the approval of his own party... idk what he was thinking there, I guess it was just desperation to cling onto power
@@coconut7490he was an authoritarian strongman, living in a liberal democracy who thought he had the ability to do whatever he wanted.
It's worse, South Korea is trying this shit now, not centuries ago.
Go look into all the previous 'presidents' of South Korea and look at how their terms ended, lol. Everything will make sense after you see the list. The country isn't ran by democracy - it's ran by corporatism.
There's something so great about the combination of VTH and Historia Civilis, like oreos and milk
@@samfann1768 Chris just has an amazing thing going he let’s the og youtuber get their facts out then he adds a little more insight if he has any to add without taking away from the creator it’s like advanced education in a way but for free. VTH is a great channel to really understand the depths of history nd what impact certain moments nd events caused lol
hey chris, i hope you are doing well. just wanted to let you know that i appreciate your effort in maintaining this channel and community through thick and thin. the fact that im sure you’ll read this is a testament to that. i know time can’t heal some wounds, but the model you are providing for your kids and your community is invaluable. i know im just some random commenter, but at least from my perspective, you’re doing everything right. best of luck my man.
Reason to watch the video:
1. Learn more about a very significant time period in an important neighboring country? Good guess.
2. Learn what happened in your current most-frequently played game 6 years before game start? That's why!
Ahhhhh Victoria 3?
@@VloggingThroughHistory Exactly. Now I know why France is so unstable at game start.
Perfect timing! I was just re-watching the Congress of Vienna series this morning :D
Once again I am recommending the fantastic "The Other Great Game" series by Old Britannia about the history of Diplomatic relations between the UK and the US for a reaction. It's an amazing series.
Agreed, though I’d recommend the video on appeasement as it’s really eye opening on Chamberlin’s position
Yep
Everyone always gives Bourbon restoration a lot of flack but I think Louis 18th wasn't a bad king. He really tried balancing all factions and was successful enough that he died on his throne, last French king to do so. He even kind of predicted that Charles 10th would mess it up with his Ultra policies.
Well, the restoration was an imposed regime upon the French people to roll back the french revolution and it was backed by the violence of eight wars, so probably that is why
The irony of VTH reacting to this considering that, today, the French assembly just toppled the executive branch.
2:49 Hey Chris, I must add to this because he doesn’t add the context behind that invasion. That moment is known as the Hundred Thousand Sons of Saint Louis. It was an “invasion” by Louis XVIII to restore his distant cousin Fernando VII back to the throne as an absolutist monarch. Why? Because in 1820, things were going bad in Spain after the Peninsular War and the wars of independence in Hispanic America. Also, the king had nullified the constitution of 1812 just three years before. So, in 1820, he prepared a massive army to go to Venezuela to retake the viceroyalty but poor coordination, lack of pay and bad living conditions forced the commanders and soldiers to turn against the monarch. To regain their power and not create a civil war, Fernando reinstated the constitution and allowed liberal ministers in his government known as the Liberal Triennium. Since they essentially held more power combined than the king, they held him under house arrest was their prisoner in all but name. In 1822, as the concept of the Concert of Europe was being put in place and were worried about Spain’s liberal government. The economic situation failed to improved and many turned against the liberal government. That same year, Fernando signed Spain’s application to the terms of the Congress of Vienna (which they had rejected in 1815) and the Congress allowed France to intervene in Spain, which they did the following year. Many cities surrendered quickly and the only significant battle took place outside of Cadiz with less than 1,000 casualties on both sides. The liberal government dissovled itself and Fernando restored as an absolute monarch until his death in 1833.
Very important indeed to mention Simon Bolivar in this context, indeed! - And, France basically acted on behalf of the European aristocracy.
The fact that nobody in Spain cared about the Liberal constitution and didn't fought a Bourbon French army but fought Napoleon tells you what the Spanish mindset was
I mean, he does go into it more in the "Year Without a Summer" video, but yes, this is some good context.
5:10 Mike duncan , who did the excellent "revolutions" podcast, had a very telling qoute on Louis 18th "he rememberd everything, and learned nothing"
everytime I go to bed I play a mike duncan playlist to doze off to.
@@SuleimanTheIndifferent on your Helix mattress?
Historia Civilis has a great series on the roman republic / empire. Best Content on that Topic and what made them big.
Only issue I have with Historia Civilis is that we all would wish he would create more videos
i think that i commented the same on your reaction to Historia Civilis previous video, but the Spanish Constitution was not made by Napoleon, it was made by the Cadiz Cortes in opposition to Napoleon's Constitution, i think Historia Civilis mixed them up (understandable if you read any Spanish history from the 19th century).
Anyways great video by Historia Civilis and great reaction, love the new thumbnail style
History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes
Oh hell yeah, I saw that video and went "Oh I hope VTH reacts to this one"
A French head of state who calls an early election that leads to legislative gridlock and the PM is chosen not because his side won the most seats but because he agreed with the head of state and this leads to mass resentment and instability, whilst the whole time financing a foreign war. Who could imagine such a thing happening?
Eerie, isn't it? Almost like it's happening to this very day all over the world under the guise of representation... Oh wait.
Yeees Chris, more Historia Civilis!
I love Historia Civilis' videos. It's always a good day when you cover them!! Please continue, there's demand for this type of content.
New thumbnail style is pretty snazzy
I hope these Historia Civilis videos bring more people to listen to the Revolutions podcast.
Charles the 18th believed that the French Revolution happened because Louis was too willing to compromise . So he does kind of make sense here. The very night the bastille was stormed, Charles asked his brother to assume absolute power and dissolve the estates general. Louis refused and the next day Charles left France. He became the very first French emigree.
Visited my parents for Thanksgiving and my Dad and I binged the congress of Vienna and July Revolution videos from Historia Civilis, my mom fell asleep but my dad loved it heh.
Great video as always. It's fascinating how much they didn't learn from what happened a few decades earlier. The quote "We learn from history that we do not learn from history" being relevant as usual.
That was super interesting, thank you! And I agree that Historia Civilis really does a great job. Very watchable. 💕
Love historia! Never miss a video
That loophole may have been intentional (just a guess). I mean, after the war monarchy was imposed by force on France, it's not like the people were the ones that created that constitution. So I guess it should not be surprising to see it contains that kind of stuff.
Ahhh was waiting for this one! Literally my first thought after watching the original video was "VTH should do a reaction of this one, it was right in his wheelhouse".
If you’re interested in learning more about the prestige focused mindset of 19th century colonialism I’d recommend some of old Britannia’s videos on Salisbury. Interesting perspective to see
Fun Fact, Victor Hugo, author of Les Mis was a child during the July Revolution and used it as the background of the book.
He would later write about seeing bullets flying back and forth down streets.
Victor Hugo was born in 1802 and died in 1885. In 1830, he wasn't a child, he was a grown man and a successful published author. His play "Hernani" had caused a scandal as a manifesto for Romantic drama in opposition to classical theater, right before the July Revolution started.
Also it's very reductive to confine him to "Les Misérables", man wrote half the poetry of the 19th century and a good bit of the plays and novels too.
@@samrevlej9331I think either OP is wrong, or Hugo made the very common mistake of confusing memories. there were some riots in Paris going on during his childhood, he could’ve easily conflated the violence then with what he’d see later.
He was a grown man and Les Miserables is the background of the Republican uprising of 1832
I question how the French Spanish expedition was viewed by the other Great Powers. The Spanish king appealed to both the Holy Alliance and the Quadruple Alliance for assistance. Other than Britain, the leadership of thr other three Great Powers were supportive of French intervention. The intervention itself for the most part was relatively bloodless with only one real though minor battle.
"The Day Russian Democracy Died by NFKRZ" this is really good.
Invade Spain was the wrong thing to do, but the global war was not going to happen for a simple reason, the other powers liked the Bourbons, and disliked the Spanish Liberals, it wasn't Napoleon against the absolutist king where they sided with Spain for logical reasons, and also is pretty important that the invasion was done as established by the fifth powers alliance. The thing is that it didn't mattered a strong France, as long as it was not revolutionary. Also the Monarchists ignoring the people was a foregone conclusion, no one liked them, only were there because of the foreign powers, the people didn't want them, and they didn't like the people either, the purpose of they being there was just to keep the common people out of power. Also it's worth noticing that Charles X as the Count of Artois leaded the reprisals during the second white terror. Then you have Algiers, Algiers was one of the few allies of Napoleon, and the king invaded it with an army leaded by Beurmont, the man that gave the allies, Napoleon's plan before Waterloo, so he was not liked. And finally, at the end the rest of the European powers will not smash the Revolution of July 1830 not because they accepted Louis Phillipe but because they had to deal with Polish Uprising
Great topic to cover Chris, it's always good when you react to Historia Civilis
The discussion about the role of elections and the impact of not listening to elections as a reflection of the will of the people helped me come to terms with the result of the recent election.
13:47 technically speaking, the king of France was executed for collaborating with foreign powers to overthrow the revolutionary government and not for rejecting reforms
Big fan of this new video from HC. Been eager for this reaction
Like the new thumbnail Chris
the bourbons never learn
A simple way to describe French monarchists since the late 18th century is detached from reality, like every single revolution against the French monarchy was caused by the monarchy itself.
@@whilryke after the fall of Napoleon III the last French Bourbon was offered the throne but he refused because he wanted to end the usage of the tricolour flag as the flag of France and return to the old white Bourbon flag. Naturally the government couldn't agree because the tricolour had become a symbol of France and part of the people's identity. The government tried to come up with the compromise of having the white banner as the king's personal standard and the tricolour as the national flag but the guy refused and so he wasn't restored. The Pope's reaction to the entire thing was the funniest one:" All of that over napkin....". Basically they blew the last chance to rule because of some symbolic bs.
@masterplokoon8803 The funniest/saddest is that I talked to French monarchists who still defend that stupid decision as a principled stance. Really, detached from reality.
@@masterplokoon8803 It wasn't just over the flag, the Comte de Chambord was making a point, if they were going to fight him on the flag they were going to fight him on more serious matters, he had no interest in being a figurehead.
@@whilryke I didn't know that there were still a significant number of French royalists.
I would argue part of the reason the UK kept their monarchy around with parliament is because Queen Victoria was in power for so long and was herself okay with ceding more power, to the point that by her death, the English monarchy pretty closely resembled the monarchy of today in terms of its role (the power of the monarchy had already been diminished during the reign of George III). Had Victoria not reigned as long as she did, had a restorationist come to power again during the 19th century, it's possible that Britain also has a revolution that deposes the monarchy altogether.
Another great video Chris. Looks like Ohio St and my Tennessee Vols have a shot at playing each other in the CFP! Would love if you came down for a visit to watch some good football.
I would love to see you react to George Carlin's video talking about Christopher Columbus and the indians. I've often heard people say that Columbus called them Indians cuz he thought he was in India. But George Carlin talks about some of Columbus's writings where he calls the American Indians a people in dios. Dios is God in Spanish, so if that is true calling them Indian is basically Columbus calling them a people in God. Indios Indian
To clarify, this video is not very correct concerning the French intervention in Spain. Is presented as if it was a reckless and nonsensical decission unilateraly taken by france but it was pretty much a result of the Congress of Troppau (1820) and the Congress of Verona (1822). In spite of opposition from the British and reluctance from Austria, France was backed by Prussia, Russia and Austria. In the early 20s Austria led the intervention in Italy against the revolutionaries in Naples too.
Russia, Prussia and Austria were more afraid of a new revolution than of a new expansionist France. Spain was falling apart anyway.
Nobody's saying that France invaded Spain without consulting the other Great Powers. What everybody is saying is that the invasion itself was a stupid decision, because all it did was make the government more unpopular at home and abroad.
I agree that the intervention was a blunder, but it's kind of a massive factor whether or not it was done with the approval or disapproval of the rest of Europe.
HC makes it seem as if the French conservatives willingly and boneheadedly risked war with the other great powers over Spain, but in reality, the French had reason to believe that "defending the conservative order" would improve their relations with every other continental great power (Britain being another matter, of course).
19:00, and it was worse than that, because not only did they decide to disband the national Guard, but the king and his government didn't even bother to make sure they were DISARMED first before they disbanded them. A hugely stupid move, considering that it certainly helped get the July revolution off the ground.
The saga of the blunderheads and fopdoodles, Ah! - I wished to be in that legislator council, "What is the day's labors?" says one, "Stalling and doing much ado about nothing!" replies the other. "Do we all still get paid for it?" - oh, of course, what other vocation is there when your sole function is to be literal human paperweights!
The good thing about Historia Civilis is that their videos could be used interchangeably between a high level high school history class and TH-cam and still be successful. They strike a great balance between entertaining, intriguing, and comprehensive presentation styles.
Now I see how the common joke in Europe is that Hell is the place where the Police are German, the Cooks are British, and the Politicians are French.
Great job as always, Chris! I think it's also important to keep in mind that the nephew assassinated at the beginning of the video was Charles' son. I'd be surprised if there wasn't lingering resentment towards the Republicans for that, especially since the Bourbon dynasty was having trouble producing heirs and this assassination killed the only son who lived to adulthood between the two Louis' and Charles. I agree with HC on a lot of Charles' moves being stupid or tone-deaf as you put it, even if they were technically legal which also you made a good point on, but I think it's fair to say the kings had reasons to be distrustful of their political opposition to some degree
The comment starting at 4.18 is remarkable.
Especially coming from that side of the pond :D
Great vid! If you got the time you should finish his caesar series it gets really good towards the end
Can I imagine taxing the poor to pay the rich? I don't have to imagine it. I live it every 4 to 8 years.
Another period / conflict that’s fascinated me for years
Wonder where oversimplified's part 3 to the second Punic war is, that was meant to be done this year wasn't it?
History always repeats itself. 1800s: Monarchy or invasion, 20th/21st century: Democracy/capitalism/Communism or Invasion
I think Charles still wasn't up for the moment because he didn't realize what was politically feasible isn't the same as what is legal.
Edited P.S. also the King's last statement in the video might as well be Palpatine's/Sideous's statement "Then I will make it legal."
It's easy to look at history from a top down perspective, taking in everything objectively, but just for a moment imagine what it would have been like to live through this period in French history. People of today complain about COVID, inflation (which isn't even bad historically speaking) and politics and are acting like it's the end times, but frankly all of this would have been a dream come true for someone living through this period of Frances history. It really gives me a perspective into how good we have it today and how dramatic people of today are.
The king doubled down and then jumped off the cliff, how did he think that this was going to end well for him? History repeats itself, its almost ironic and prophetic.
One of Polignacs' sons Prince Camille Polignac (February 16, 1832 - November 15, 1913) was the last surviving Confederate Major-General according to wikipedia.
Same thing happening in SK today Chris.
13:12 I have always wondered why someone would give two of their kids the same name, specially when both of them survived to adulthood.
I was hoping you'd get to this one quickly. It's really well done, if containing a little more personal opinion then I care for.
I did notice he inserted much more opinion than usual in this one.
I do appreciate that HC makes it quite obvious which parts are his opinions/analysis, though.
Still, the video could have benefited from a few minutes spent explaining the political ideas of the French ultra-conservatives - an ideological context that makes their actions at least make some internal sense. (That a lot of their policies were half-baked and badly implemented even in an ultraconservative context is another matter.)
@@johanmilde Even things like calling the Spanish invasion "reckless" and "foolish" are disingenuous and only partially accurate. There were legitimate ideological and political reasons for what they did, and Louis XVIII was nowhere near as absolutist as HC makes him out to be. He accepted constitutional governance. It wasn't until Charles X that the absolutism kicked off.
@@richeybaumann1755 We can argue the accuracy of the claim, or that it is made with too much hindsight, but I see no reason to call it disingenuous - unless you believe HC is not only opinionated, but actively trying to mislead the audience?
(I have no problem with saying that the claims are inaccurate or even untrue, but I am wary of calling people insincere.)
@johanmilde Well for one thing, he acts as of France's invasion of Spain came out of nowhere and without consulting the other Great Powers when the invasion was supported by the other Powers sans Britain (Which he stated in the previous video but seems to have done a 180 on that position for some reason)
He also claims Villele convinced the king to invade, when Villele actually opposed the invasion on the grounds of expense and uncertainty as to the troops' ability and loyalty
Wow it is a noticeable change after yesterdays reaction reaction I can see you are trying to wait a little longer before stopping the video to discuss! I don’t have a strong preference either way but I’m sure you’ll settle at a comfortable pacing that makes sense for you and the video
After finishing the video, my preference is for you to continue chiming in whenever you have something to say and don’t worry about the timing at all. We are watching a VTH video after all, not a HC video.
Leaving a comment to help the TH-cam algorithm 😁
Your thumbnail is so crisp today, or is it just me that's thinking that?
Doing a trial run with hiring someone to do my thumbnails.
Take a shot every time he says "could you imagine"
This video has the best vth reaction faces
I was wondering when this would drop
i put my foot under my chair that has wheels on it and it rolled off over my veins and my toes and now i am in pain
I was just hoping for some more Historia Civilis reactions!
You should react to his Assassination of Julius Caesar video. One of my favorites by him.
Hi I would like to bring some precisions about the context :
- the worker that killed the nephew of Louis XVIII wasn’t a republican he was a bonapartist supporter
- the elective system back then in France had nothing to do with the one we know now, it’s was what we call the « suffrage censitaire ». The « cens » being a special tax only wealthy people would pay and so were the only ones allowed to vote (for exemple in the 1827 less than 100000 people actually voted)
- about the invasion of Spain it was also due to the fact that despite showing himself as a more liberal inside the borders of France, Louis XVIII also had joined the Holy Alliance with Russia and Austria in order to defend autocratic conservative monarchies in Europe
- Charles is arguably one of the worst kings of France, he himself declared : « I’d rather saw wood than rule like the king of England »
fascinating
Just because there is a way to interpret Charles’ actions as legal under the constitution doesn’t mean he wasn’t an idiot
Hey vlogging I am currently writing a paper about the impact of Native Americans on the Revoluntionary War. Do you have any good books to recommend?
Hey guys, do you know if Chris reads DM's on discord? About a month ago i wrote him one but i dont know if he even is still on discord. Sometimes people just forget about the 10th socialmedia platform
If you sent it a month ago, you sent it to my old discord I don't have access to anymore
@VloggingThroughHistory Aright, thanks. I will look for your new account and send it again.
Well here it is again. Recycling prestige and sovereignty status. Partially under Louis XV111 followed more dynamically under Charles X. As people would say the King has overall control again if he does not seem fit what part of the National Assembly proposes indifferently. Regardless of elections. Again following on what happened in the most turbulent shocking earlier French 1789 Revolution. Besides the unbalanced review on colonial persistence at the time in North Africa. Thanks Dean.
Would love a return of VTH reacting to Caesar in Gaul or the Roman Civil War by Historian Civilis again!
I think Bismarck had a similar view on colonies as te British colonialist, Canning her described in the video. He only got some few colonies for the German empire, because Willhelm wanted some emotional support since he didn’t possess the grande British colonies. Bismarck instead meant that Germany on its own had a much stronger and modern industry then all other nations at the time, wich made it superior (and I will agree, I think that’s why they could fight so many more enemies then themselfs in WW1). Bismarck said that colonies would only be a liability
I always wonder if the American revolution never happened would we see so many prop up later on
France, at this time, might have been hesitant to "attack" the king directly, as doing so led to the terrors of the revolution, Bonaparte, and France's near destruction.
"What could possibly go wrong?" A better question is... "What did they think could possibly go right after all this?" The outcome is so predictable, how stupid could they have been to completely ignore it?
13:08 There were 4 brothers the oldest died young. On an unrelated note Louis XVIIIth’s death is certainly one of the worsts in history.
Love your videos man, I’d love to have one of my videos reviewed by you here
I'll check them out! Just subscribed.
@ thank you so much, looking forward to it ! I have more stuff coming and I always liked your vids
In regard to the French Invasion of Spain, he did not mention the Troppau Protocol which had been signed by several countries allowing interference in other countries to maintain the balance of power. Not saying that France was right to invade, but this is a reason some countries, like Russia, did not protest to their invasion of Spain.
The king did blunders after blunders
you should react to kraut's "trumps biggest failure", the last ~quarter of the video is quite modern politics-centric (1st trump administration and predictions for the future) but the first ~three quarters are basically a history of china video with very interesting takes on the qing, century of humiliation, rise of the CCP etc. kraut is the same guy who made the turkish century video which you reacted to a while back
Serious question, does it help the algorithm if I like the video as soon as it starts, or if I wait till the last 10 seconds? Cause I usually hit it as soon as I start
As long as you do it, it doesn't matter when. Thank you!
Is this new style of thumbnails from now on,they look cool although old ones are also very good.
We're so back
Let’s go
I really liked the video, my only wish is that Historia Civilis had been a bit more clear and direct about what he means when he says that the colonial project in Algeria made no sense because colonies have to facilitate trade.
Simply put, Algeria was not going to provide France with access to any trade routes or particular natural resources. The invasion was likely going to be a massive money sink in order to conquer a colony that was never going to be profitable, and everyone who weren’t the king or his handful of political allies knew it.
"It keeps suprising me that they give power to the landed and wealthy, but for some reason, they keep defaulting in that direction"
Didnt the USA just elect a billionaire, who is appointing other billionaires, to "fix" problems caused by billionaires?
But he wasn't elected by billionaires. Big difference.
@@VloggingThroughHistory given that a certain person spend 200m on him, along with owning the biggest news outlet and deciding the algorithm, I'd argue you can make a case he indirectly was :)
11:55 the Spanish liberal constituition was no made by Napoleon, it was done by the Cortes of Cadiz who actually fought Napoleon. Napoleon's constitution was never applied to the whole country and was more about enlightened absolutism and granted much less freedoms than the Cadiz constitution. The Spanish people hated Napoleon and the fact that Historia Civilis repeated this mistake from the previous video baffles me.
No, it was not, the Bayonne charter actually granted more freedoms, and most important, wasn't about enlightened absolutism as it was always delegated on the delegates of the government, rather than Joseph, and also the constitution of Napoleon was a charter, then it was expanded upon. The liberal constitution was done after Salamanca, and to try to save the most before the return of the king, but also was permissive with the king as he was their beloved one, even if he didn't like them
@@omarbradley6807 the Bayonne constitution efectively didn't put any restraint on royal authority, only symbolic ones. The Cadiz constitution granted a lot more freedoms and rights to the people. Napoleon's constitution was made to make Spain an efective French vassal, not to empower the Spanish people.
@@masterplokoon8803 The Spanish nationalism in your commentary is pretty good looking, but remember that the war was fought by pro inquisition clergy and absolutist aristocrats against reformist peoples, the Bayonne charter never put much restrains because it didn't give power to the king at all, the Bayonne constitution gave the people civil rights, the Liberal constitution only give some people, political rights, but tied to the monarchy, and the king just didn't want anything to do with it
@@omarbradley6807 I'm neither Spanish nor nationalist, but a Napoleon fanboy is easy to recognize.
The Cadiz constitution granted a lot more people rights specially voting rights, the Bayonne statute is pitifull by comparison and it wasn't
A lot of the people who fought against Napoleon also fought against king Ferdinand's atempts to centralize power for himself. Lmao you actually tried to paint the Cortes of Cadiz as "pro inquisition".😅
And this is not even going into the fact the Bayonne constitution was never really applied to the country and French generals efectively rulled as bandit kings and warlords and openly ignored Joseph's authority.
You just seem salty that the people your hero ocupied and plundred fought back and cannot get over the fact that people fight against foreign ocupations despite how "enlightened" they pretend to be.
@@masterplokoon8803 The Code Napoleon is widely considered as very progressive for 19th century standards; particularly compared to the age of restauration that followed in the aftermath. And, Spain is pretty much the European "gold standard" of conservatism, ever since 1492. - Napoleon's vision: Civil rights for everybody. And, the political power lies in Paris. Inacceptable, for about everyone. 😉
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Find of funny watching this and hearing the news of Korean President declaring Martial Law and immediately reversed course the following morning
VTH should react to Bofang Chang, he makes great content that takes a lot of time that VTH would enjoy.
Lets gooo
The house of Bourbon remembered everything about the French Revolution and learned nothing from it.
Please watch Historia Civilia video called "Work"
It's almost like the ultra conservative playbook has never changed, almost.