I went to the Eras Tour last month and bought basically every item of clothing at the merch stand… this very day I am wearing my T-shirt from the Red Tour from 2014. Like… do people stop listening to the previous music when a new album from the same artist comes out?
I completely agree with that! CTRL had absolutely no skips for me whatsoever and I liked that her voice sounded really good in the songs with minimal auto tune (or at least obvious auto tune) but S.O.S I only like 3 songs enough to download off there and a lot of the songs have sooo much autotune for some reason. It’s still an amazing album sure but CTRL is in my top ten favorite albums of all time so kinda hard to top that lol
I don't think an artist being considered a legend is about their longevity necessarily, more the impact and influence they had on the industry and/or the musicians who came after them. The Beatles, Tupac, and Nirvana all had recording careers 10 years and under but they and their catalogues are still considered legendary
A Kidz Bop deep dive would be a good video idea. I’m sure it’s not just about creating a clean version, but a music genre for kids. Would you rather Ms. Rachel singing to your kids or Ludacris? 😅
My mom used to buy me Kidz Bop. I remember their version of Nicki Minaj's edit: "Starships" changed the lyrics to higher than any other instead of mfer lol
calling merch outdated is more consumerist than an artist dropping merch for every album. their argument literally makes no sense and gives they just want to be a contrarian
List of beings that are mostly affected by fireworks noises: - Pets - Elderly People - People with autism - Pregnant woman - Veterans with PTSD - Babies/Small kids
Another one that people forget is blind people. Because of the way they explode in the sky, the noise can be really disorienting for people who can't see. Its also sudden and unexpected which can be scary.
14:45 Back in the day they used to put the whole lyrics in the CD case. Those were the days and the best times. I dont understand how ppl learn lyrics so quick without no lyric videos. I make it up as I go along.
I definitely agree on the fireworks take. Same goes for the people with super loud engines that makes popping noises (on purpose). I live down south so that shit is everywhere and it’s so annoying.
I'm very likely autistic (in the process of getting diagnosed) and loud noises freak me tf out. People who make their engines loud are the absolute worst, because they can just come out of nowhere while I'm trying to go about my day. At least I can expect when fireworks are gonna go off (New Year, bonfire night, etc) and prepare with headphones.
@@mollywalker5790 My little sister is also autistic and gets extreme sensory overload from the loud noises as well. It really puts into perspective how insensitive the whole thing is. Also, im sorry about the noises freaking you out. It’s a shame people can’t even go about their day without potentially being jumpscared by loud engines.
Dangerously in Love and Dopamine are different situations because Beyoncé and Normani already had established fame from their groups while lorde for example was a new face to the industry, so I feel like collabs are more valid on a debut for artists we already know.
Mariah Carey ALWAYS will be my favorite artist of all time❤ I grew up with her. I was only 6 when her first álbum came out. I asked my mom to bought me her debut álbum for my birthday that year and she became the soundtrack of my life. My favorite voice and i relate with her songs so much too. I was a lamb before lamb was a thing lol. She has so many amazing songs. Her rare songs are very beautiful, sometimes even better than the hits. I love when she made spanish versions of some of her singles. I wish we had an entire Spanish álbum. People think these days that she's just the queen of christmas but she's much more than that and she writes her own songs. She also had the greatest comeback of the music industry. What she did in the era teom after the difficult times of the glitter era, is ICONIC and legendary. ❤
@@dinasilva9263 Yesss Mariah is the same age as my parents and they said it was very fun to watch her rise to stardom, esp. bc she’s a fun mix of divaaaaa but also down to earth (where it counts lol)
I’ve always been confused about the Crash hate. I thought it was not only great but, as you said, very Charli and unusual sounding and blahblah. If I had never heard her say that, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it being different from/worse than the others. I love that album lol
so happy to see other crash defenders, i thought it was only me who actually loved this album... like sure its less experimental and more mainstream than most of her other work but that doesn't automatically make it bad, especially considering she still injected so much of her own style and uniqueness into it AND it was way more creative and interesting than 95% of the other mainstream pop coming out at that time
Someone like Lauryn Hill was active for less than 10 years, and she has one of, if not the best album of all time. She's definitely a legend. So time doesn't measure talent and your music.
To clarify about why Kidz Bop songs exist, I think it’s because it’s easier to put on a playlist. I used to run a martial arts studio and the kids LOVED when I put on kidz bop. Plus, the Kidz Bop have to get a mechanical license to record a version of the song, so the main artist is still making money. Win win for the conservative parents that want to keep their kids listening to PG music, and artist/label make money off it too. I just feel it’s fallen off since most kids nowadays are able to access the uncensored version so easily via streaming. And as you mentioned, artists more regularly release clean versions of songs now (at least from my perspective. Maybe just cause I’m paying more attention to musical releases.)
Exactly! KidzBop originated during a time when people purchased actual CDs, like, for car rides and stuff. No parent was gonna sit down and burn a CD with a mix of clean KidzBop songs with (OG) singers' songs that happened to be clean. I would think of songs like "Dance Monkey" to just be "album filler." On another note though, especially *how* KidzBop has survived in the streaming era.. I think parents nowadays might prefer KidzBop because it's "anonymous." "KidzBop" is seen as a brand in itself. Like, it's a trusted producer of quality, easy, mess/drama free, "anonymous" entertainment. The entertainer is not needed nor marketed as a role model; there's nothing parents have to follow up on or explain because the brand itself is "clean popular/trending songs" and not an actual person/celebrity.
Hi Naomii! It is difficult for me to be critical of an artist's debut. It is part of a learning curve for many. As for the admissions of disliking their earlier work, I like that honesty. Just as in any industry, the more new to a specific area errors are made. Additionally, individuals that are new are less likely to disagree with their higher ups. Examples of this are Katy Perry. She did not like the song, "I Kissed a Girl." Even stellar writers like the late Toni Morrison had stated that years later she would be embarrassed by some error she came across in an earlier work.
@@jackieelliott7865 I agree! I always take a debut as an introduction to an artist, but also their jumping off point, so I know they’ll likely grow a lot more- I also think it’s waaay easier to dislike something with time especially if you create sit bc it’s easy to not really relate to the type of artist (or even person) you were a decade ago
I think the merch one was referring to eras plural merch, like merch that features elements of all eras up to that point (e.g. Eras tour poster shirts) rather than just merch from a previous era. It becomes outdated with new releases because it stops depicting all the eras once a new one begins post creation of the design. This creates an opportunity for new and updated eras themed merch that includes this new era for people to buy and then the cycle continues ad infinitum
I agree with your statement about the whole Friday Rebecca Black thing. I never heard kids hating on her for singing the song. I didn’t even think about it like that until now, but I definitely agree.
25:00 hearing that the US doesn’t do fireworks on Halloween is crazy to me considering people have already started setting off the Halloween fireworks here in Ireland and it’s only the end of August hahahah and also America is fireworks crazy so I’m so surprised they don’t do it in Halloween
All of Taylor Swift’s lyric videos since folklore have a different aesthetic and moving looped videos with creative lyric placements. That includes all 4 released rerecordings. So that’s basically 8 albums. Lover’s the only one that’s not getting an updated lyric video for a rerecording (since it won’t be rerecorded obviously haha). It only has visualizers with no lyrics.
I don’t care what anyone says about Halsey’s cursive singing. Her writing is so good and I’ll die on a hill for that. She does have some questionable lines in badlands but honestly it was such a great debut.
I think when it comes to icon or legend status it’s about legacy more than anything else. Someone like Charli I would absolutely call an icon at this point even though her debut is only a decade old just bc she’s been so innovative and left a strong mark. But then someone like Madonna, her music was never the most innovative stuff, but she really impacted the way pop stars brand themselves-icon status obtained. You become an icon when you *do* something iconic, really. And a legend is someone who sustains that icon status across multiple albums or eras, becoming a career icon in a way. Beyoncé went from a great pop star to an icon when she dropped self titled, and she became a legend when she dropped Lemonade. But someone like Dua had one iconic album in Future Nostalgia, but hasn’t replicated that enough to deserve legend status yet.
I think a lot of people don’t realize how many people are bothered by fireworks. Neurodivergent people, in particular. My family literally goes out of town to a city that doesn’t allowed fireworks (it’s surrounded by forests that could catch on fire) just because my little brother is so terrified of fireworks. I think it’s best to keep fireworks to one holiday. 🤷♀️ I already hate that people do it around the 4th instead of on the 4th.
i feel you too hard on donating a tour shirt, i got rid of my kesha one when i saw her in 2010-2011 with lmfao, i was 11 or 12. now that she’s having a resurgence i regret it so much lol
A deepdive into disney channel popstars would be a cool video to see. Idk if you already did that in the past but it would be a really fun watch. Hillary, raven, miley, selena, demi, jobros and so on
i love Bebe, but i think Ellie Goulding is way more fitting for the "Queen of Electronic Dance Music" title, according on her longevity, acclaim from music critics and/or peers, and success. (also she's not only a vocalist for "djs", Goulding is a drummer, multi-instrumentalist, and songwriter) 96% of ellie biggest hits are as a solo artist plus she's highly respected by her peers on the EDM community, with many sampling/using her work/vocals, making her one of the most in demand female artist of the genre (at least of the last decade) as she inspired an amount of producers to create content especially during the times were SoundCloud/MySpace were a thing. And let's not forget that before 'Love Me Like You Do' and her full transition into popstar, she was a folktronica/ indietronica artist, and she also has experimented with different subgenres of edm like dubstep, synth-pop, garage, electropop, dance-pop, etc.
1.) features on a debut album are totally fine imo, as long as the collabs further establish the artist rather than just tag them along to a known name 2.) ugh this one just annoyed me, I hate the term EDM as a blanket way to describe electronic sounds so much. and Bebe? hmm... next question! 3.) putting an specific time limit on "legend" is weird to me. what did the artist actually accomplish? who did they inspire? were they prolific or did they just have a good promotion team? 4.) debut album usually being the worst album is just a personal preference imo, but in terms of "ability," most artists typically *grow* over time for sure. but plenty of debuts were amazing. The Fame, Animal, etc are my favs for Gaga and Kesha, for example, although both undeniably grew artistically over time. 5.) artists can reflect changing their sounds and styles, and honestly they don't owe fans of past music a fake love for music they don't like. but it's really annoying when they hate on past music for branding reasons and not actual personal reasons. 6.) love a lyric video!!! i got hearing issues so lots of words sound similar to me so reading lyrics right from the source rather than on (often incorrect) lyric sites is so helpful 7.) this is an interesting opinion. pop acts are undeniably super wasteful... but at the same time, I feel like focusing on Taylor's era-based shirts and not her private jet trips is the wrong lens, imo. But I personally enjoy having shirts from concerts etc because I don't go to them often. 8.) reality shows love casting people who will get people talking, and the largest audience is still white people. at the end of the day, tv producers are gonna pick people they think will make content. 9.) hate fireworks, the world would be better if we never had fireworks again except at major events that people could choose to go to. 10.) I know nothing about this so I can't really comment, but I for sure think we need better laws protecting kids in the industry even if their parents just pay for them to have a song. also Rebecca's making music now and she's very fun 11.) pop music is the intentional taking of sounds and styles and making them as palatable to as many people as possible. this is definitely a skill and a style that can produce a lot of great music if the music is inspired or made by actual fans of the music they're referencing. unfortunately, a lot of producers and execs making the calls right now are crazy out of touch and it shows
Re: Eras Merch Opinion. I think they were actually talking about Taylor Swifts Eras Merch. Not, like, merch for each era, but the merch she makes that includes every Era. It started with reputation. There's a line of merch from her where the merch has a "Taylor" from every album/era on it and, as the commenter said, the merch quickly becomes outdated when she releases a new album. And so every release sells out as fans want the updated merch that has all of the eras on it, and the "old" ones are outdated bc they're missing eras. There's a sub-category of this merch she's done for the re-recordings where it's a bunch of different "Taylors" from that specific throwback era. But, that's more in line with "regular" merch. But, yeah, the "Eras Merch" in particular that Taylor does is very quickly outdated, especially as Taylor has a typical album cycle of 2 years. I've not personally seen other artists really do this style of merch, though.
For the debut albums one… I think of SZAs CTRL or The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill being debut albums that were almost TOO Perfect that are hard for the artist to try and follow up. So those are instances of the debut being way better than possibly any other album they put out Obvs Lauryn never made an album after her debut, but part of me thinks it’s bcuz of the pressure of her debut being deemed perfect and having all of these accolades and with SZA it’s to be determined as she’s still actively making new music..
So I replied to the original comment about no features on debut albums and I'll speak here too! I'm glad you brought up the distinction between the types of artists who would or would not use a feature - the singer/songwriter type versus others. I'm going to use two examples of "others" - Flight Facilities and Fergie. On their debut album - Down to Earth - FF made many songs with other artists as features, because they are electronic music producers not singers. In my opinion that doesn't hurt the songs, the featured artists feel complimentary! Each song with a featured artist sounds unique from one another while fitting the debut album nicely. I admire the skill used to make those songs feel "balanced" with the rest. ❤ Fergie's debut - The Dutchess - featured others too but she seems at home in the company of Ludacris and will.i.am so the collaboration sounds complimentary. "Glamorous" and "Fergalicious" were definitely Fergie's persona even with those guys beside her. She still proved her popularity as a solo artist with "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "London Bridge" too. Though I don't much like Fergie, I feel passionate that collaboration can be magical and showing that magic can be worth it for a debut!
Try asking Dionne Warwick about legends and longevity! 🤣 This the woman calling Beyoncé and her career "cute". She said try to last 30-40+ years and "we can talk". Idk Dionne… it’s dependent on the artist, I think.
@naomi.cannibal OMG, I didn't think you would ever actually choose my unpopular opinion 😂 btw you are absolutely right 👍 and, at the end, I was saying- at least the costumes are still fire (cool). I did consider the implications that came with the scenario. But I was thinking like a large park setting where it's done professionally and people can gather, watch, and show off their costumes. Honestly, the cons do outweigh the pros. You ate and cleared the floor as always 👏🙌🎉
I don’t use a mousepad anymore but I do use a desk pad (which is basically a mousepad that covers over half the desk). Ain’t nobody got time to case the mousepad all over the place because they never stay put! Love your random questions in these btw! Great video per usual ❤
18:25 if this person is saying what i think they’re saying, it’s that it’s wasteful for taylor to be making a t shirt with all of her “eras” on it when she’s still coming out with new eras. Like that tee of her in the debut dress, the red circus outfit etc that came out for the eras tour - that shirt is now outdated, because there’s no taylor doodle of her in the ttpd era. I totally agree that the whole point of merch is to be specific to whatever is out *now*, but doing the “every era i’ve had” shirt when you’re still in the middle of making a new era - no doubt in two years, she’ll sell an all eras shrit that *does* include ttpd, and boom now that original eras shirt isn’t more valuable or vintage, just unfinished
I think the Charli album she doesn’t like is Sucker, I could be wrong though. Yes, CRASH was the sellout album, but I think Charli is mostly cool with that one. I remember her saying she still plays Constant Repeat (funnily enough).
i completely agree with the sentiment that merch is more of a time capsule and is almost more valued for an artist’s older projects. Also - I do still use a mousepad on my work computer since i wfh. i actually didn’t know there was mousepad merch LOL im actually kind of interested… 😅
yea i still use mousepads. i don't use the small ones though. i use the long ones that tend to cover my desk. i find those much more useful than the small ones
Can someone explain to me the point of a visualizer though? I never understood it. If an artist already shares a lyric video with images, what's the point of a visualizer?
Mariah Carey, LeAnn Rimes & Bebe Rexha are my trinity 🩵 Bebe sings opera and is really talented. Last year I would say she was the EDM queen. I love her new single I’m The Drama
I‘d call Ellie Golding the queen of white girl music. This could be a topic for a video even White Girl music. Ever since I first heard of that term my white girl music playlist has easily become my favourite playlist. For me it’s that fun party-esque style music from so many artists all over the spectrum. 1D, Katy Perry, Julia Michels, Rihanna, Clara Mae, Miles Cyrus all have at least one song who fits this playlist perfectly.
Fuuuuuuuuck fireworks. So many people have gotten hurt and so many pets have been traumatized all cuz people wanna play with explosives. I wish they were permanently outlawed. My cat is terrified by them, she cowered under the bed for hours, and once that happened, anything that sounds like fireworks - cars backfiring, trucks and motorcycles revving - scare her just the same. There are better ways to entertain ourselves.
It’s hard to think of a male artist who had a great debut body of work. I guess I can go with The Weeknd with House of Balloons. A lot of his fan base are all about his old music, while there are other people who would hear it for the first time in 2024 and would instantly have his mixtapes as their favorite bodies of work from him after carefully listening. In terms of Justin Bieber, all of his features don’t take away too much of his songs either but that’s just me.
@@hey4506 Lol thank uuu!! I swear I do nothing crazy (just dont use a lot of heat other than blow drying) so braid outs/ protective styles are my bff lol
When I think of debut singles that have features I think about Just Dance by Lady Gaga. The industry was really out there thinking she needed those features to help her debut. Now look at her. The Fame could’ve been like Pure Heroine and had no features and still would’ve still been an amazing debut album.
Yesss! Despite my comment I still like Colby on the track, I can’t imagine a version without him. For the longest time, I was like why didn’t he get his name mentioned at the start of the song? “RedOne. Konvict. Gaga… Colby?” 😂
@@jonathanpease115he was akon’s artist at the time and he was only added to the song last minute. Akon was originally supposed to be the feature as a co-sign for gaga
On the topic of lyric videos, I think Nicki Minaj’s mv for ruby red da sleaze is a perfect example of what lyric videos should be. I haven’t watched it in a min, but I’m pretty sure it was all ai art and I thought it was pretty fun
people understimate the power of lyric videos, like, ariana's the boy is mine lyric video gets more views daily than the MV 😭(which is a shame cause the mv was so good)
For Years Britney And Christina Never Really Performed Their Earlier Songs... Or When They Go On Tour They Change The Arrangements Of Their Early Hits So They Can Satisfy The Fans Of Those Songs. They Just Say They Outgrew Those Songs. I'm Not Mad At Them But At Least Perform Them In It's Original State... Beyonce Doesn't Love All Her Earlier Songs But She Will At Least Play A Little Bit Of The Song Because She Knows That We Want To Hear.
RE: Merch UO: I love that Mariah still has Rainbow merch in her Spotify shop. It’s such an iconic image and still looks good on a tank top. And her Christmas album shirt is ETERNAL 😂 But I def get the consumerism angle where OP is coming from (The Stanley cup craze?)
Taylor swift’s brand is the epitome of over-consumption. It’s almost frustrating. I love that her fans have work from her that they’re excited about but she goes overkill with the merch. Edit: OMG girl why you toss the merch 😭 I still have my artpop ball tshirt, sweat stains and all
Okay, Bebe Rexha is not in the EDM circuit. Love bebe but she had been a part of a lot of top 40 electropop which isn't what the rave scene plays even the house scene. It's like calling marshmallow, edm, like maybe to mainstream people, but to anyone who's actually in that niche, not at all.
the taylor swift merch eras opinion is so confusing to me because a lot of swifties buy and sell old merch for crazy prices, especially OG merch vs taylor’s version ??
I agree on no Halloween fireworks. Plus, it's probably regional on how much you can do with fireworks. I'm originally from NJ, and you can't just go buy fireworks. I live outside Atlanta now, and it's a culture shock for me to see commercials for fireworks sellers/stores. The kids in my apt complex kept doing fireworks like crazy at 2am all July Also, I think people interchange being the greatest of all time and being a legend too much (especially in rap). I think being a legend and the GOAT are different. You can have many legends, but few GOATs. What's the point of calling them that if there's a whole bunch? I don't think anyone is going to agree in the hip hop genre who's the best because what each generation considers "good" vary and tends to be very regional/territorial. But also compared to other genres, rap is newer (For ex. r&b and rock have been genres for much longer). So maybe 50 yrs from now on, there will be a more consistent idea on who the GOAT is and:who the legends. I think it's interesting that we can pretty much all agree on who's the King and Queen of Pop (which had great sales an influence on the genre), but seems to be such an argued consensus on rap royalty. But like I said, maybe more time needs to pass. Rant over lol
Summer Walker’s debut album is by far her best 🩷✨please please do a video about her. Also an example of an album where the amount of features DID ruin it for me.
Yeah. About the Era themed merchandise, it makes sense because she didn't even release an Eras Collection with the TTPD Taylor but idk if she'll release.
idk if it's been said before but my recent unpopular opinion is that Chappell Roan is overrated/overhyped. yes her singles are great, specially coming from a queer artist, but the rest of her songs are meh and a lot of white gays are treating her as a lesbian taylor swift which is just weird considering she doesn't even wanna be bothered when it comes to fame. it was also one of those things that people overhyped her so much that when i finally got to listen to her album i was like "oh that's it?" idk lol
I made the Patrice Wilson and Dan Schneider comparison because the Shush Up video has adult theme and it's sung by a 13 y/o (the same girl singing I Love Chinese Food). Safe to say he made it for the notoriety but it low-key seems like an exploitation.
coi leray’s debut album is one album i could say “tanked” or more so the features overshadowed her , til this day her features does. love the fact she collabs but only her eps show her real artistry.
i feel like a legend is someone who largely changed the game artistically, sonically, and/or commercially and thus is still relevant, discussed and credited many years later. that's why some legends have short discogs but are still considered legends. their impact was just that huge. Similar thing for icon but I would say on a kinda smaller scale. so i'd say mj or mariah are legends while katy perry or shakira are icons.
10:00 so true but like I’m not feeling the same about their new album I kinda fell off after sacred hearts club. The two eps they put out are just eh maybe it gotta grow on me😭😭😭
Who stops wearing merch when the next album comes out? Literally never heard that. 💀
And fireworks are awful I hate them. 😂
@@kevinrudy Okay glad it wasn’t just me 👀
yeah that’s so weird to me - i’m still rocking my charli xcx pop 2 ish
I went to the Eras Tour last month and bought basically every item of clothing at the merch stand… this very day I am wearing my T-shirt from the Red Tour from 2014. Like… do people stop listening to the previous music when a new album from the same artist comes out?
Sza’s debut was way better to me than S.O.S and I’ll die on that hill.
I completely agree with that! CTRL had absolutely no skips for me whatsoever and I liked that her voice sounded really good in the songs with minimal auto tune (or at least obvious auto tune) but S.O.S I only like 3 songs enough to download off there and a lot of the songs have sooo much autotune for some reason. It’s still an amazing album sure but CTRL is in my top ten favorite albums of all time so kinda hard to top that lol
and you would be complete correct 😃
i think everyone agrees with this
@@ybossanova true lol sos did great things but we all know ctrl is that girl 😂
girl this is not even an unpopular opinion lol
I don't think an artist being considered a legend is about their longevity necessarily, more the impact and influence they had on the industry and/or the musicians who came after them. The Beatles, Tupac, and Nirvana all had recording careers 10 years and under but they and their catalogues are still considered legendary
True, you have Juice Wrld and Xxxtension
@@Jonathan-zx9ikare they legends cause they had an impact or do yall call them legends just cause they died
I choose to disagree @@Jonathan-zx9ik
@@bobixx6965 I was only saying that because I see shirts saying “Legends Never Die”. I don’t necessarily think that they are legends.
@@Jonathan-zx9ikDo you really understand the meaning of Legends Never Die?
I don’t care if we get 100 installments of this series please never stop doing them!!!!
@@omarhafeez2879 They are so funnn yall submit good stuff
y’all WAKE UP a new unpopular opinions ranking just dropped 🤭
A Kidz Bop deep dive would be a good video idea. I’m sure it’s not just about creating a clean version, but a music genre for kids. Would you rather Ms. Rachel singing to your kids or Ludacris? 😅
My mom used to buy me Kidz Bop. I remember their version of Nicki Minaj's edit: "Starships" changed the lyrics to higher than any other instead of mfer lol
@@Housewarmin Yes I want a Ms Rachel version of Move B*tch 😭😭
@@tonialston1968KB left 0 crumbs on that Pound the Alarm plate! 😂🍽️👌
@@chrischinsux sorry I meant Starships lol
calling merch outdated is more consumerist than an artist dropping merch for every album. their argument literally makes no sense and gives they just want to be a contrarian
@@ttumblrboii yeah, just don't buy it if you don't want it then
Adele`s Skyfall Lyric Video is a masterpiece, that`s how it should be done
i just wanted to say that trick or treating slowly fading out is not something i expected and im lowkey sad about it even tho im an adult now
I think it was probably affected by covid.
@@chana1298 No right I wanna hand out candy!!
List of beings that are mostly affected by fireworks noises:
- Pets
- Elderly People
- People with autism
- Pregnant woman
- Veterans with PTSD
- Babies/Small kids
Also refugees!!
Another one that people forget is blind people. Because of the way they explode in the sky, the noise can be really disorienting for people who can't see. Its also sudden and unexpected which can be scary.
Include wild fauna like birds and bats, I've seen them fell to the floor disoriented while fireworks are being set off 😔
Wild animals who live in the city! Some of them even run themselves to death out of panic.
Bryson Tiller’s Trapsoul debut album is a favorite of mine to this DAY. I love that album so much
@@charlstonnn Ohhh that’s another great example
14:45 Back in the day they used to put the whole lyrics in the CD case. Those were the days and the best times. I dont understand how ppl learn lyrics so quick without no lyric videos. I make it up as I go along.
Many artists still have them in the case!!
I definitely agree on the fireworks take. Same goes for the people with super loud engines that makes popping noises (on purpose). I live down south so that shit is everywhere and it’s so annoying.
@@PinkBubbleMartini riiiight it’s like as soon as you get to sleep you hear the loudest mustang in your life
I'm very likely autistic (in the process of getting diagnosed) and loud noises freak me tf out. People who make their engines loud are the absolute worst, because they can just come out of nowhere while I'm trying to go about my day. At least I can expect when fireworks are gonna go off (New Year, bonfire night, etc) and prepare with headphones.
@@mollywalker5790 My little sister is also autistic and gets extreme sensory overload from the loud noises as well. It really puts into perspective how insensitive the whole thing is. Also, im sorry about the noises freaking you out. It’s a shame people can’t even go about their day without potentially being jumpscared by loud engines.
Dangerously in Love and Dopamine are different situations because Beyoncé and Normani already had established fame from their groups while lorde for example was a new face to the industry, so I feel like collabs are more valid on a debut for artists we already know.
Mariah Carey ALWAYS will be my favorite artist of all time❤
I grew up with her. I was only 6 when her first álbum came out. I asked my mom to bought me her debut álbum for my birthday that year and she became the soundtrack of my life. My favorite voice and i relate with her songs so much too. I was a lamb before lamb was a thing lol. She has so many amazing songs. Her rare songs are very beautiful, sometimes even better than the hits. I love when she made spanish versions of some of her singles. I wish we had an entire Spanish álbum. People think these days that she's just the queen of christmas but she's much more than that and she writes her own songs. She also had the greatest comeback of the music industry. What she did in the era teom after the difficult times of the glitter era, is ICONIC and legendary. ❤
@@dinasilva9263 Yesss Mariah is the same age as my parents and they said it was very fun to watch her rise to stardom, esp. bc she’s a fun mix of divaaaaa but also down to earth (where it counts lol)
Chapters would be great on this video format!
I’ve always been confused about the Crash hate. I thought it was not only great but, as you said, very Charli and unusual sounding and blahblah. If I had never heard her say that, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it being different from/worse than the others. I love that album lol
Right I always thought crash was one of her best albums!
@@duanein3d Crash is skipless for me! (Maybe except every rule sorry)
so happy to see other crash defenders, i thought it was only me who actually loved this album... like sure its less experimental and more mainstream than most of her other work but that doesn't automatically make it bad, especially considering she still injected so much of her own style and uniqueness into it AND it was way more creative and interesting than 95% of the other mainstream pop coming out at that time
@@dancingdyonysis righttt I feel like at the time she put it out she was giving us fun pop but in her own way like it was a fun album!!
Orange looks SO good on you!
Someone like Lauryn Hill was active for less than 10 years, and she has one of, if not the best album of all time. She's definitely a legend.
So time doesn't measure talent and your music.
To clarify about why Kidz Bop songs exist, I think it’s because it’s easier to put on a playlist. I used to run a martial arts studio and the kids LOVED when I put on kidz bop. Plus, the Kidz Bop have to get a mechanical license to record a version of the song, so the main artist is still making money. Win win for the conservative parents that want to keep their kids listening to PG music, and artist/label make money off it too. I just feel it’s fallen off since most kids nowadays are able to access the uncensored version so easily via streaming. And as you mentioned, artists more regularly release clean versions of songs now (at least from my perspective. Maybe just cause I’m paying more attention to musical releases.)
Exactly! KidzBop originated during a time when people purchased actual CDs, like, for car rides and stuff. No parent was gonna sit down and burn a CD with a mix of clean KidzBop songs with (OG) singers' songs that happened to be clean. I would think of songs like "Dance Monkey" to just be "album filler."
On another note though, especially *how* KidzBop has survived in the streaming era.. I think parents nowadays might prefer KidzBop because it's "anonymous." "KidzBop" is seen as a brand in itself. Like, it's a trusted producer of quality, easy, mess/drama free, "anonymous" entertainment. The entertainer is not needed nor marketed as a role model; there's nothing parents have to follow up on or explain because the brand itself is "clean popular/trending songs" and not an actual person/celebrity.
speaking of lyric videos, Tayor's OG RED lyric videos had a budgets of music videos. Eyes open is my favee
Hi Naomii! It is difficult for me to be critical of an artist's debut. It is part of a learning curve for many. As for the admissions of disliking their earlier work, I like that honesty. Just as in any industry, the more new to a specific area errors are made. Additionally, individuals that are new are less likely to disagree with their higher ups. Examples of this are Katy Perry. She did not like the song, "I Kissed a Girl." Even stellar writers like the late Toni Morrison had stated that years later she would be embarrassed by some error she came across in an earlier work.
@@jackieelliott7865 I agree! I always take a debut as an introduction to an artist, but also their jumping off point, so I know they’ll likely grow a lot more- I also think it’s waaay easier to dislike something with time especially if you create sit bc it’s easy to not really relate to the type of artist (or even person) you were a decade ago
I think the merch one was referring to eras plural merch, like merch that features elements of all eras up to that point (e.g. Eras tour poster shirts) rather than just merch from a previous era. It becomes outdated with new releases because it stops depicting all the eras once a new one begins post creation of the design. This creates an opportunity for new and updated eras themed merch that includes this new era for people to buy and then the cycle continues ad infinitum
let go is avril lavigne's best album which is a debut
I agree with your statement about the whole Friday Rebecca Black thing. I never heard kids hating on her for singing the song. I didn’t even think about it like that until now, but I definitely agree.
25:00 hearing that the US doesn’t do fireworks on Halloween is crazy to me considering people have already started setting off the Halloween fireworks here in Ireland and it’s only the end of August hahahah and also America is fireworks crazy so I’m so surprised they don’t do it in Halloween
@@rolopolo0987654321yeah it honestly never occurred to me till reading this comment, never heard of doing it/ never seen it!
Kids bop is for over protective parents that is the main reason why it exist. Their children’s ears can hear such “vulgar” language or secular music.
BABE WAKE UP NAOMI DROPPED ANOTHER UNPOPULAR OPINIONS RANKING!
“pots and pans hyperpop” 😭😭
i looooove a lyric video i have audio processing disorder half the time i do not know what you are saying
also i do have a mousepad 😭 i like it
If every one who hated on Rebecca Black checked out her current music… she deserves some more eyes and ears! I love her latest album & EP!
All of Taylor Swift’s lyric videos since folklore have a different aesthetic and moving looped videos with creative lyric placements. That includes all 4 released rerecordings. So that’s basically 8 albums. Lover’s the only one that’s not getting an updated lyric video for a rerecording (since it won’t be rerecorded obviously haha). It only has visualizers with no lyrics.
Empire Of The Sun released an album too like after a looooong time,I love it
Thank you for mentioning this because I'm of fan of their older albums and had no idea
Examples of debut albums that are unmatched imo are: Badlands by Halsey, Crybaby by Melanie and Born to Die by Lana Del Rey
I don’t care what anyone says about Halsey’s cursive singing. Her writing is so good and I’ll die on a hill for that. She does have some questionable lines in badlands but honestly it was such a great debut.
Melanie‼️
i’ve been a fan since 2016 purrrr doja and that lady don’t like anything she’s made unless she’s CURRENTLY on it💀
I've never heard her shittalk purrr
@@Kshsgdhksls she has. she said that it was just something she put out at the time that didn’t really match her as an artist.
Yeah I’ve noticed that she hates everything after the era ends😭😭
Not the Lucky Charm mascot in the thumbnail lmao
I think when it comes to icon or legend status it’s about legacy more than anything else. Someone like Charli I would absolutely call an icon at this point even though her debut is only a decade old just bc she’s been so innovative and left a strong mark. But then someone like Madonna, her music was never the most innovative stuff, but she really impacted the way pop stars brand themselves-icon status obtained.
You become an icon when you *do* something iconic, really. And a legend is someone who sustains that icon status across multiple albums or eras, becoming a career icon in a way. Beyoncé went from a great pop star to an icon when she dropped self titled, and she became a legend when she dropped Lemonade. But someone like Dua had one iconic album in Future Nostalgia, but hasn’t replicated that enough to deserve legend status yet.
I think a lot of people don’t realize how many people are bothered by fireworks. Neurodivergent people, in particular. My family literally goes out of town to a city that doesn’t allowed fireworks (it’s surrounded by forests that could catch on fire) just because my little brother is so terrified of fireworks. I think it’s best to keep fireworks to one holiday. 🤷♀️ I already hate that people do it around the 4th instead of on the 4th.
queen u need to react to flo's debut album when it comes out
@@davism6899 I ammmmmm I been WAITING for the announcement
i feel you too hard on donating a tour shirt, i got rid of my kesha one when i saw her in 2010-2011 with lmfao, i was 11 or 12. now that she’s having a resurgence i regret it so much lol
A deepdive into disney channel popstars would be a cool video to see. Idk if you already did that in the past but it would be a really fun watch. Hillary, raven, miley, selena, demi, jobros and so on
Lorde’s album is always🔥🔥🔥🔥
Amazing body of work. My 14 year old brain was forever changed
i love Bebe, but i think Ellie Goulding is way more fitting for the "Queen of Electronic Dance Music" title, according on her longevity, acclaim from music critics and/or peers, and success. (also she's not only a vocalist for "djs", Goulding is a drummer, multi-instrumentalist, and songwriter) 96% of ellie biggest hits are as a solo artist plus she's highly respected by her peers on the EDM community, with many sampling/using her work/vocals, making her one of the most in demand female artist of the genre (at least of the last decade) as she inspired an amount of producers to create content especially during the times were SoundCloud/MySpace were a thing. And let's not forget that before 'Love Me Like You Do' and her full transition into popstar, she was a folktronica/ indietronica artist, and she also has experimented with different subgenres of edm like dubstep, synth-pop, garage, electropop, dance-pop, etc.
i used to eat all the marshmallows out of my lucky charms 😂
1.) features on a debut album are totally fine imo, as long as the collabs further establish the artist rather than just tag them along to a known name
2.) ugh this one just annoyed me, I hate the term EDM as a blanket way to describe electronic sounds so much. and Bebe? hmm... next question!
3.) putting an specific time limit on "legend" is weird to me. what did the artist actually accomplish? who did they inspire? were they prolific or did they just have a good promotion team?
4.) debut album usually being the worst album is just a personal preference imo, but in terms of "ability," most artists typically *grow* over time for sure. but plenty of debuts were amazing. The Fame, Animal, etc are my favs for Gaga and Kesha, for example, although both undeniably grew artistically over time.
5.) artists can reflect changing their sounds and styles, and honestly they don't owe fans of past music a fake love for music they don't like. but it's really annoying when they hate on past music for branding reasons and not actual personal reasons.
6.) love a lyric video!!! i got hearing issues so lots of words sound similar to me so reading lyrics right from the source rather than on (often incorrect) lyric sites is so helpful
7.) this is an interesting opinion. pop acts are undeniably super wasteful... but at the same time, I feel like focusing on Taylor's era-based shirts and not her private jet trips is the wrong lens, imo. But I personally enjoy having shirts from concerts etc because I don't go to them often.
8.) reality shows love casting people who will get people talking, and the largest audience is still white people. at the end of the day, tv producers are gonna pick people they think will make content.
9.) hate fireworks, the world would be better if we never had fireworks again except at major events that people could choose to go to.
10.) I know nothing about this so I can't really comment, but I for sure think we need better laws protecting kids in the industry even if their parents just pay for them to have a song. also Rebecca's making music now and she's very fun
11.) pop music is the intentional taking of sounds and styles and making them as palatable to as many people as possible. this is definitely a skill and a style that can produce a lot of great music if the music is inspired or made by actual fans of the music they're referencing. unfortunately, a lot of producers and execs making the calls right now are crazy out of touch and it shows
Re: Eras Merch Opinion. I think they were actually talking about Taylor Swifts Eras Merch. Not, like, merch for each era, but the merch she makes that includes every Era. It started with reputation. There's a line of merch from her where the merch has a "Taylor" from every album/era on it and, as the commenter said, the merch quickly becomes outdated when she releases a new album. And so every release sells out as fans want the updated merch that has all of the eras on it, and the "old" ones are outdated bc they're missing eras.
There's a sub-category of this merch she's done for the re-recordings where it's a bunch of different "Taylors" from that specific throwback era. But, that's more in line with "regular" merch.
But, yeah, the "Eras Merch" in particular that Taylor does is very quickly outdated, especially as Taylor has a typical album cycle of 2 years.
I've not personally seen other artists really do this style of merch, though.
Education Connection was such High ART😂
For the debut albums one… I think of SZAs CTRL or The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill being debut albums that were almost TOO Perfect that are hard for the artist to try and follow up. So those are instances of the debut being way better than possibly any other album they put out
Obvs Lauryn never made an album after her debut, but part of me thinks it’s bcuz of the pressure of her debut being deemed perfect and having all of these accolades and with SZA it’s to be determined as she’s still actively making new music..
So I replied to the original comment about no features on debut albums and I'll speak here too!
I'm glad you brought up the distinction between the types of artists who would or would not use a feature - the singer/songwriter type versus others. I'm going to use two examples of "others" - Flight Facilities and Fergie.
On their debut album - Down to Earth - FF made many songs with other artists as features, because they are electronic music producers not singers. In my opinion that doesn't hurt the songs, the featured artists feel complimentary! Each song with a featured artist sounds unique from one another while fitting the debut album nicely. I admire the skill used to make those songs feel "balanced" with the rest. ❤
Fergie's debut - The Dutchess - featured others too but she seems at home in the company of Ludacris and will.i.am so the collaboration sounds complimentary. "Glamorous" and "Fergalicious" were definitely Fergie's persona even with those guys beside her. She still proved her popularity as a solo artist with "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "London Bridge" too. Though I don't much like Fergie, I feel passionate that collaboration can be magical and showing that magic can be worth it for a debut!
Try asking Dionne Warwick about legends and longevity! 🤣 This the woman calling Beyoncé and her career "cute". She said try to last 30-40+ years and "we can talk". Idk Dionne… it’s dependent on the artist, I think.
@naomi.cannibal OMG, I didn't think you would ever actually choose my unpopular opinion 😂 btw you are absolutely right 👍 and, at the end, I was saying- at least the costumes are still fire (cool). I did consider the implications that came with the scenario. But I was thinking like a large park setting where it's done professionally and people can gather, watch, and show off their costumes. Honestly, the cons do outweigh the pros. You ate and cleared the floor as always 👏🙌🎉
@@CHARVYMAX lmaooo thank you for submitting it tho!! I just don’t need my home burned down/ blown up over some Halloween firework TikTok trend 😭
I don’t use a mousepad anymore but I do use a desk pad (which is basically a mousepad that covers over half the desk). Ain’t nobody got time to case the mousepad all over the place because they never stay put! Love your random questions in these btw! Great video per usual ❤
"not all songs are art"
Get behind me personally cos we need that distinction at the very least to sort through AI music.
18:25 if this person is saying what i think they’re saying, it’s that it’s wasteful for taylor to be making a t shirt with all of her “eras” on it when she’s still coming out with new eras. Like that tee of her in the debut dress, the red circus outfit etc that came out for the eras tour - that shirt is now outdated, because there’s no taylor doodle of her in the ttpd era. I totally agree that the whole point of merch is to be specific to whatever is out *now*, but doing the “every era i’ve had” shirt when you’re still in the middle of making a new era - no doubt in two years, she’ll sell an all eras shrit that *does* include ttpd, and boom now that original eras shirt isn’t more valuable or vintage, just unfinished
yes mousepads are still a thing... since laptop mousepads suck
I think the Charli album she doesn’t like is Sucker, I could be wrong though. Yes, CRASH was the sellout album, but I think Charli is mostly cool with that one. I remember her saying she still plays Constant Repeat (funnily enough).
If anyone cares for my own opinion: I loooove CRASH. Sucker… honestly not sure I’ve ever played it in its entirety more than once. 😶
Glee had such a fun, campy cover of Friday. It got amped up vocals, high-production value, super pop treatment.
i completely agree with the sentiment that merch is more of a time capsule and is almost more valued for an artist’s older projects. Also - I do still use a mousepad on my work computer since i wfh. i actually didn’t know there was mousepad merch LOL im actually kind of interested… 😅
33:53 the Reese's Puffs theme is art
27:42 for context on Patrice Wilson, I think Strange Aeons talked about him in her video on Ark Music Factory
Lady Gaga's best album is her debut. She couldn't replicate her artistic height again (maybe in Born This Way, which is almost as good as The Fame).
yea i still use mousepads. i don't use the small ones though. i use the long ones that tend to cover my desk. i find those much more useful than the small ones
Can someone explain to me the point of a visualizer though? I never understood it. If an artist already shares a lyric video with images, what's the point of a visualizer?
Mariah Carey, LeAnn Rimes & Bebe Rexha are my trinity 🩵 Bebe sings opera and is really talented. Last year I would say she was the EDM queen. I love her new single I’m The Drama
Leann is a queennn
fully misread headache mode as depeche mode lmfao
funny thing is that Zendaya was a Kidz Bop kid. I think she did the cover or video for Hot n Cold I don't really remember.
I‘d call Ellie Golding the queen of white girl music. This could be a topic for a video even White Girl music. Ever since I first heard of that term my white girl music playlist has easily become my favourite playlist. For me it’s that fun party-esque style music from so many artists all over the spectrum. 1D, Katy Perry, Julia Michels, Rihanna, Clara Mae, Miles Cyrus all have at least one song who fits this playlist perfectly.
You are sooo pretty sis 🤍
Fuuuuuuuuck fireworks. So many people have gotten hurt and so many pets have been traumatized all cuz people wanna play with explosives. I wish they were permanently outlawed. My cat is terrified by them, she cowered under the bed for hours, and once that happened, anything that sounds like fireworks - cars backfiring, trucks and motorcycles revving - scare her just the same. There are better ways to entertain ourselves.
It’s hard to think of a male artist who had a great debut body of work. I guess I can go with The Weeknd with House of Balloons. A lot of his fan base are all about his old music, while there are other people who would hear it for the first time in 2024 and would instantly have his mixtapes as their favorite bodies of work from him after carefully listening. In terms of Justin Bieber, all of his features don’t take away too much of his songs either but that’s just me.
Usher, bruno, ed sheeran and chris brown had some great debut albums as well.
Can we get a hair routine??? Cause your is so good in every vid. Giving Kamala and Queen Latifah a run for their money
@@hey4506 Lol thank uuu!! I swear I do nothing crazy (just dont use a lot of heat other than blow drying) so braid outs/ protective styles are my bff lol
When I think of debut singles that have features I think about Just Dance by Lady Gaga. The industry was really out there thinking she needed those features to help her debut. Now look at her. The Fame could’ve been like Pure Heroine and had no features and still would’ve still been an amazing debut album.
I do like Colby's voice on that song though 😅
@@magical-soap5359 omg and his little yells at the end… perfect 👌🏾
Yesss! Despite my comment I still like Colby on the track, I can’t imagine a version without him. For the longest time, I was like why didn’t he get his name mentioned at the start of the song? “RedOne. Konvict. Gaga… Colby?” 😂
@@jonathanpease115he was akon’s artist at the time and he was only added to the song last minute. Akon was originally supposed to be the feature as a co-sign for gaga
On the topic of lyric videos, I think Nicki Minaj’s mv for ruby red da sleaze is a perfect example of what lyric videos should be. I haven’t watched it in a min, but I’m pretty sure it was all ai art and I thought it was pretty fun
people understimate the power of lyric videos, like, ariana's the boy is mine lyric video gets more views daily than the MV 😭(which is a shame cause the mv was so good)
omg ily
For Years Britney And Christina Never Really Performed Their Earlier Songs... Or When They Go On Tour They Change The Arrangements Of Their Early Hits So They Can Satisfy The Fans Of Those Songs. They Just Say They Outgrew Those Songs. I'm Not Mad At Them But At Least Perform Them In It's Original State... Beyonce Doesn't Love All Her Earlier Songs But She Will At Least Play A Little Bit Of The Song Because She Knows That We Want To Hear.
Putting beyonce cowboy carter and budget in the same sentence 😂😮
@@MiguelLopez-pe8ge my bad they don’t even know each other 😭
Sza and summer walker are the only ones that I can think of at the moment whose debut albums are their best work
RE: Merch UO: I love that Mariah still has Rainbow merch in her Spotify shop. It’s such an iconic image and still looks good on a tank top. And her Christmas album shirt is ETERNAL 😂 But I def get the consumerism angle where OP is coming from (The Stanley cup craze?)
Panic At The Disco debut was definitely superior to the rest of their work
As someone who had their siblings shoot fireworks at them, please stop wanting fireworks 😭
Taylor swift’s brand is the epitome of over-consumption. It’s almost frustrating. I love that her fans have work from her that they’re excited about but she goes overkill with the merch. Edit: OMG girl why you toss the merch 😭 I still have my artpop ball tshirt, sweat stains and all
I feel like when I was a kid I liked kidzbop cuz they sounded like kids singing and I really wanted to be in the group
FOSTER THE PEOPLE MENTIONEDDDD
and dirty computer 😵💫😵💫
would lyric videos help hearing impaired people learn the songs better?
@@bootypebble oh that’s another bonus!
Sza SOS also had lyric videos every song it was dope
Okay, Bebe Rexha is not in the EDM circuit. Love bebe but she had been a part of a lot of top 40 electropop which isn't what the rave scene plays even the house scene. It's like calling marshmallow, edm, like maybe to mainstream people, but to anyone who's actually in that niche, not at all.
@@nixiemartian4658 Omg I def thought Marshmello was EDM 🫢 but i admit im no expert
the taylor swift merch eras opinion is so confusing to me because a lot of swifties buy and sell old merch for crazy prices, especially OG merch vs taylor’s version ??
One debut album I personally think is their best is Camila Cabello. I loved that album and everything since then feels like it’s been going downhill 😅
I agree on no Halloween fireworks. Plus, it's probably regional on how much you can do with fireworks. I'm originally from NJ, and you can't just go buy fireworks. I live outside Atlanta now, and it's a culture shock for me to see commercials for fireworks sellers/stores. The kids in my apt complex kept doing fireworks like crazy at 2am all July
Also, I think people interchange being the greatest of all time and being a legend too much (especially in rap). I think being a legend and the GOAT are different. You can have many legends, but few GOATs. What's the point of calling them that if there's a whole bunch? I don't think anyone is going to agree in the hip hop genre who's the best because what each generation considers "good" vary and tends to be very regional/territorial. But also compared to other genres, rap is newer (For ex. r&b and rock have been genres for much longer). So maybe 50 yrs from now on, there will be a more consistent idea on who the GOAT is and:who the legends. I think it's interesting that we can pretty much all agree on who's the King and Queen of Pop (which had great sales an influence on the genre), but seems to be such an argued consensus on rap royalty. But like I said, maybe more time needs to pass. Rant over lol
Summer Walker’s debut album is by far her best 🩷✨please please do a video about her. Also an example of an album where the amount of features DID ruin it for me.
Yeah. About the Era themed merchandise, it makes sense because she didn't even release an Eras Collection with the TTPD Taylor but idk if she'll release.
idk if it's been said before but my recent unpopular opinion is that Chappell Roan is overrated/overhyped. yes her singles are great, specially coming from a queer artist, but the rest of her songs are meh and a lot of white gays are treating her as a lesbian taylor swift which is just weird considering she doesn't even wanna be bothered when it comes to fame.
it was also one of those things that people overhyped her so much that when i finally got to listen to her album i was like "oh that's it?" idk lol
Lesbian Taylor Swift is apt 😂
the furute nostalgia lyric videos were top tier
I made the Patrice Wilson and Dan Schneider comparison because the Shush Up video has adult theme and it's sung by a 13 y/o (the same girl singing I Love Chinese Food). Safe to say he made it for the notoriety but it low-key seems like an exploitation.
Zendaya was on KidzBop
The legend argument falls flat if you think about Lauryn Hill or Amy Winehouse.
coi leray’s debut album is one album i could say “tanked” or more so the features overshadowed her , til this day her features does. love the fact she collabs but only her eps show her real artistry.
I am glad katy perry helped poor Rebecca black who was treated so bad
i feel like a legend is someone who largely changed the game artistically, sonically, and/or commercially and thus is still relevant, discussed and credited many years later. that's why some legends have short discogs but are still considered legends. their impact was just that huge. Similar thing for icon but I would say on a kinda smaller scale. so i'd say mj or mariah are legends while katy perry or shakira are icons.
Naomi Cannibal loves Rachel Chinouriri? OMGGGGGG. Me too.
10:00 so true but like I’m not feeling the same about their new album I kinda fell off after sacred hearts club. The two eps they put out are just eh maybe it gotta grow on me😭😭😭