@@LoneStarBoars I would try some cheap hi-shok or hydra-shok. UMC or silver tip maybe. Any old tech hollow point that won't expand too much. Hst, speer, and even Ranger T are massive expanders. It's nice that thing is so quite. I'm sure that helps with the hunt
I wish I could put my uncle's phone number here and let you tell him that killing these invasive animals is wrong. He's a farmer in northern Indiana who just spent $8,334 (I am looking at the receipt right now on his Facebook page) for seed to replant all the crops he's lost to feral hogs. That's just for the seed. Add all the fuel and other cost of running a tractor/planter and you're probably over $10k. And that is money he spent to plant once this season already. I go up every weekend with my rifle to cull out as many as possible, but these are intelligent, elusive animals imbued with a sense of self preservation that would rival any dog or intelligent animal short of dolphins or whales. Try shooting a running hog. Their natural gate makes them move in three dimensions. Up, down, forward and they change directions like their on rails. I maybe get 8 to 12 adults and double the juveniles and it doesn't seem to help. Fences don't even slow them down when they're determined to get food. It's a living nightmare for any crop producer. And all the deer, turkey and animals you want on your property are displaced. They want nothing to do with hogs.
I’ve been waiting for this PCC for 2 year and I been waiting even longer for this video. Keep up the good fight Todd and don’t let these FN* weasels stop you.
Great video - Much prefer when you hit them with the 308 and put them down rather that pistol rounds but still a great video - Love your work and dont let the completion get you down !!
Yes I love the .308 also but there are a lot of people who want to know what different pistol rounds will do for a backup, and there are a few who want to use it as a challenge. I’m just trying to get raw information.
Thank you for posting this, it is very informative on the effectiveness of this set up. It's apparent it leaves much to be desired and is something to be considered when I give it a go.
I have watched and enjoyed your work for years. Caused me to build a couple of Blackouts, thermal and a suppressor. Now I've got to find time to visit family in East Texas and go hunting. Keep up the great work.
Excellent Video and excellent optics. Enjoyed watching the thump thump smack down you put on those hogs. Thank you for your time posting. Great Video! Love hog hunting!
I own land up in North East Texas - it is a production lumber (small) operation. The feral hogs are rooting up newly planted trees and destroying potential lumber inventory. Your videos have helped me learn the eradication and control principles - please keep it up! really appreciate it. For the PETA folks, besides the hardwood lumber, the pulp from this pine is used for toilet paper, adult diapers (no kidding) and insulating materials - all very important right now... imagine doubling prices in the next year - demand due to world situation and falling supply because of these destructive pests. The rice farmers around me also are getting up to 10% of their crops up-rooted.
Good and informative, when I can afford a thermal I will go to your website and buy from you, because you have proven your integrity in the past with equipment evaluations. Recently I did a hog hunt here in TX myself and used the 450 Bushmaster. I think the .452 pistol bullet might have a performance issue, on a large hog, due to a lower typical Sectional density than the .458 rifle bullet. The highest charted load for .452 ACP is 230gr. The highest available for a .452 pistol round is 300gr, so 45 Long Colt and 450 Bushmaster and not 45ACP. That's a .21 Sectional Density at 300gr, so dropping it in place means hitting a leg bone or the central nervous system, maybe. 168+gr .308 gets up to the .24+SD and seems to drop a hog in place often. You have gathered so much data I expect on what seems to stop a hog in it tracks, does your data match the claim a .24 sectional density bullet of 2200fps to 2800fps seems to mostly drop a hog in place if the hit is a heart/lung chest shot? (excluding broken leg bones and severed spinal cords or brain shot) I am curious because either I get a meat saving shot and risk having to track the animal, which means spending money on a thermal monocular or forget the ocular and just get a .308, spend the ocular money on a thermal scope later when I can afford that upgrade. (sectional density calculator) www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/density.htm?bw=300&bd=.452 (an explanation of SD that coupled with watching videos of hog eradication and forming an impression of what drops them in place, makes me go hmmm does it translate to hogs) th-cam.com/video/5IKI4dbUB9o/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely love and enjoy your videos. I live in the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. Not only are you saving farm land, you're also helping keep them off of our roads and highways thus keeping us safe. In years past, i couldn't even begin to tell you how many i've hit and near misses. "F" the cry babies and complainers!!!!!- KEEP UP THE AWESOME JOB YOU'RE DOING!!!!!-
Keep up the good fight my friend, this video speaks volumes about the real problems that farmers are having when you can walk into a field & the hogs don't run from your noise alone, then you shoot & they still don't run away completely, it states they are getting so overgrown that their not scared of humans any longer, & that's not a good thing. Thanks for sharing.
You FIGHT THEM BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. YOU CARRY THE HIGHEST QUALITY NIGHT VISION GEAR! YOU SENT ME A SPEC SHEET AND THESE WERE THE BEST NIGHT VISION SPECS ID EVER SEEN!!
Most people offended by hunting videos are city dwellers who live in condos and their entire experience with nature is throwing a Frisbee at the local park
This damn things have been spotted by some people even in the New Braunfels, Tx area (where I live) figured a 45acp PCC would drop them if they ever tried or ventured into my yard, you just helped to prove my point, thank you sir!
Love your videos. Don’t love the competition sabotaging your effort. TH-cam needs to get a handle on that. I’ve never used a .45 to hunt hogs. But I might try 300 BLK subs someday. For now, I prefer to stay 100 yds away with a 30-something caliber rifle. 🤪
I would have thought that pistol ammo would work fine for hogs. I saw a "testing" video where 9mm was tested out to 400 yards. After 100 yards, they had to switch to a 9mm rifle, because the front site on the pistol was covering up the target. But even at 400 yards, it was still punching clean holes through 2.5 inches of wood. The slugs were about 115 grain, so they were still supersonic. I'm waiting for my 9mm rifle to arrive so I can try it on feral hogs. I'm really hopeful because of the cost of 9mm ammo against the cost of .308.
9mm is terrible for hogs even out of a rifle. Head and really ear shots are necessary. I’ve tried it be prepared for disappointing results. I was using top of the line Winchester ranger +p
Todd, I think it might be due to that stuff all growing on your face :p Hope all goes well with your appeal. This world is big enough no need to go after the competition if that is who is reporting you. So much better for all to collaborate.
Dropped a mature whitetail doe with my 5in 1911 at 25 yards. I actually was using the same ammo but 230gr plus p HST. Very happy with the performance. A good pig load the Underwood ammo 200gr plus p Xtreme Penetrator. But that's pretty impressive especially since it was out of a gun with a can on it.
Kick ass video. Keep up the work. I have been subbed a while. Not sure about 200 plus yard statment on the .45 though. Lol, It still has enough kinetic energy to kill at that range. Even 700 yards it can kill. If it will go through a 2x4 at 700 yards. You can bet it can kill.
Damn, after seeing those hogs stand up to those HST’s I do believe I’ll be changing mine over to Hornsby Critical Defense. I had no idea that ammo would be that ineffective. Thanks Huey, yeah it was educational.
Invasive , and destructive beasts like the feral hog, needs to be eradicated. Such damage , and on the same level as Burmese Pythons to native wildlife. So thank you for your eradication service brother.
People who disagree with shooting feral hogs should try farming with them around. I watched them wreck fields in Amarillo and in east Texas in lampassas
I wonder if a disclaimer played at 10X at the beginning of your videos would satisfy the powers that be? Just a thought. Also, I know it has been some time now but I literally think about the "Mr Bombastic" video on a weekly basis. Thank you Todd for all you do.
Todd you are the best feral hog exterminator on the web. I am sure that you are aware of bullet sectional density: Penetration has lots to do with the ratio of an object's mass to its cross-sectional area, velocity is not part of the calculation. The sectional density of a 230 grain 45ACP is 0.162 and the sectional density of a 123 grain 0.256 bullet is 0.268. The 0.268 will penetrate better than the 0.162 sectional density bullet. Ask those guys who makes the LWRC SMG 45 to make one LWRC SMG 256 and you will be dropping more feral hogs than the competition ! The 230 grain 45ACP ain't doing it !
Todd - will that gun handle 450 SMC? That ammo might be the ticket. I don't remember if you've done a video on that or not. The CMMG Guard 45 ACP can use 450 SMC. Seems like you did a video with that.
Please let us know who’s turning you in... So we may not shop them accordingly. I don’t buy from butthurt competition. Rock on Todd, nice vid as always.
I would try some cheap hi-shok or hydra-shok. Any old tech hollow point that won't expand too much. Hst, speer, and even Ranger T are massive expanders.
I realize you are the man when it comes to night vision and hog eradication, and some day I hope to get into the night vision world. I can't right now, so I am looking for a scope for my AR10 in 308. What scope power would you recommend for something like this for day and evening shooting from 40-200 yds? Wasn't sure if something like a 1-8, or maybe a 3-18 with Illuminated reticle?
Good shooting, good video. Question about ammunition: You don't get good penetration with the HST, do you think it's that you're getting too much expansion early, or that there's just not enough oompf behind it? Also, curious if you have or will try out some non-expanding pisto ammol, like the Lehigh defense solid copper Extreme Penetrator/Extreme Defender? I've been wondering about those for a while. The claim is that they have (nearly) just as much penetration as regular FMJ, but a wound cavity closer to hollow points. Seems like hogs are good medium to test that out.
That's pretty low for other thermal optics companies reporting your videos. That lwrc looks a lot like the H&K USC. Can you use 450 smc ammo in that rifle?
Yeah would not expect HST’s to be a go to round on Feral Pigs. There meant for more expansion especially at SMG velocities which would DEFINITELY make that round expand greater than normal thus creating more Friction impeding further penetration. Id say Go Lehigh if they have a Sub .45 offering or go with Hornady Critical DUTY. Way more penetration than expansion for thick Pig.
Love your channel man I think it's safe to say that everyone here learns a thing or two from you ! Thank you so much for sharing and thank you for the educational info that I get from every one of your videos 👍🏽😎
It seems that a sub Sonic round would make the moving shots much more difficult and the bullet drop much more of a factor as distance to the target changed. You also mention that none of your shots achieved full penetration. Cool looking gun but maybe not for this application. Thanks for the demo
Yes I’ve explained this is not the ideal caliber or firearm for this application. But you would not believe the number of people who ask how it performs on hogs.
@@LoneStarBoars Yes you did note this was not a good gun for hogs. I was just adding fuel to the fire. I have not had a chance to join a pig eradication outing but from the videos it looks like you get one good shot before the group scatters. The slow bullet requires greater lead on hogs running diagonally and more drop which makes it even harder to hit hogs running directly away. Even if the resulting impact was bone crushing at distance, the skill required to place the shot would be beyond that of most shooters. Just a bit of elaboration to your assessment. Thanks again for the video.
Really cool gun but I gotta say I was disappointed, I thought maybe you had a .45 Colt semi. The Win's were great on the big ones but what are you thinking max range for ACP? Sorry to hear about the BS, again. Any place we can go to give our 2 cents?
No this is to show people what their backup pistol will and won’t do with different Ammo. Now out to 50 yards subsonic I would take this over anything less than 45 caliber.
I'm sure you've used a lot of different pistol calibers. what are your favorite pistol ammo choices in 9mm, .40, .45 and 10mm? I really want to go hog hunting and own a pistol in each caliber so it's a matter of ammo selection.
I carry a 9 for clean up and that oh shit moment. Fmj's in the brain puts them to sleep. I did stop a charging sow this spring. Took several shots to put her down, but i enjoyed it. Even got a piglet that came back due to her screams.
Try Lehigh Defense "Xtreme Defense" 190g... penetrates like ball, wounds better than HP! Friend of mine uses an Olympic Arms .45 upper/conversion (K24 or K45?) with a can for hogs and coyotes. I loaded him a C-box of some LD XD's and so far he's reporting 1-2 shot drops where he averaged 2-4 with regular JHP (he IS a pretty good shot). Autopsy's of the carcasses showed perfect penetration and extensive damage (aka "ethical kill"). Give those a try... Underwood doesn't do the subsonic XD but handloading them is easy.(I used 7.2g Power Pistol, 1.24COAL... clocked in an ave. of 1060fps in his Oly).
What do you recommend for my rig night vision wise? MCX 300 blackout 16” barrel with Gemtech One Suppressor and Leupold Mark IV optic and .45 degree Surfire sights.
What's the setup on your SMG, and how are you getting video through your sight, does that sight actually record video. Also, what's your first hand experience with the LWRC as far as accuracy and reliability, considering all the videos bashing it. I just got one, and am loving it, but my limited experience with it has been on a range, not trying to peg moving targets.
Thanks I enjoy your videos and professional opinions! But your narration audio over the video was very low. My laptop volume was maxed out. I am disappointed to hear the 45 did so poorly, I really wanted it to smack those pigs down
Agreed , the 230g HST is a big expander and works awesome for concealed carry on smaller 45s like the Glock 30 and shield 45. But that's gonna cost you some major penetration at high velocity on pigs. I would be interested to see how the 200g Speer gold +p does, or possibly the 185g +p xtp bullet loaded by Underwood ammo at 1200 fps. Whatever you end up choosing please try some kind of lighter faster bullet at some point. www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/45-acp-p-185-grain-xtp-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=18785720303673
@@LoneStarBoars thats all i use in my carry firearm for four legged and two legged animals. glad to know i am carrying the right stuff since i have been blessed by god to never have to use it on two legged animals. and i never thought to go pig hunting with a pistol round.
2 questions: why not use fmj? i would think those would get better penetration than jhp. second question, did you use a fixed barrel spacer with the suppressor or did you have a booster spring? i have a couple pcc's that i shoot suppressed and have to use a fixed barrel spacer. was told at triggrcon that the lwrc needs a booster, but not sure why.
@@LoneStarBoars awesome! thanks for the info! looking forward to ordering mine. wish i could take a trip and help be a solution to your hog problem lol.
Wow! Such a big difference between pistol calibers and rifle calibers. Those pigs just kept getting hit and ran forever. Beautiful gun, but I wonder if you’ll find ammo that gets somewhat reliable kills without having to hit the hog 10 times.
I already have had very good results with Winchester Ranger T series. God good kills with center shoulder hits which is impressive for a pistol caliber. But it’s still a pistol caliber it’s going to be inline with subsonic rifle Ammo.
@@LoneStarBoars I carry a FNH 45 Tactical with Osprey can loaded with the 230 gr XTP as backup when I do hog eradication in SC and GA. My primary weapon is a LWRC ICE Six-8 with Silver State Armory 110 gr bonded. I use an old style OSS 30 cal can on it. The 45 is for finishing off and popping piglets when they come back to momma. Not very sporting, but it is NOT HUNTING, it is ERADICATION!!!! Feral hogs are a MENACE and must be destroyed. Good luck. Curios how the XTP works from the longer barrel. Figure I should let you know I shoot for the back of the head. Either for behind the ear or the base of the skull. The 45 does a good job. Would like to use 10mm, but haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
You have a sling good did a hog do that to you how heavy is a hog are they over a hundred pounds I like snow that's why I'm asking they're from the north men out in the south I heard they're good eating I wouldn't know?
You should try the liberty civil defense its it is cooking outta a pistol lenght barrel. I'm not sure if it will have the penetration you are looking for but it makes a huge hole
It’s 8.5”. So getting more velocity than published 45 cap velocity since the standard is to measure from a 5” barrel. Most of these including the first two big ones were past 30 yards. There are kills in this video out to 50 yards.
Indeed. I'd like to see some good hot loaded hand loads too. When he said he's using the HST round I knew full well he'd be doing a lot of shooting. They expand nicely in human targets without too much over penetration but even small hogs are a different story. That one 50lb hog had 7 straight shots in him, probably 9 shots altogether and was still going. One thing is for certain....the resiliency of hogs when using self-defense ammo is great! Would like to see some Underwood +P+ rounds used. Funny though....$3,000 firearm getting .03 cent performance in this role.
You can get some underwood 45 super or 45 SMC that would run safely in the smg. If you just want to stick with 45 acp, I would recommend some underwood extreme penetrators
I WANT ONE of those LWRC .45 SMG. I LOVE my six8 10.5in. Lwrc makes AWESOME GUNS!......I know u were testing out a platform, but would much rather see a hog go down with one shot. Yeah even a pest deserves a clean painless kill. They are destructive, but they are not ACTIVELY evil, shit humans are a invasive destructive species, just dont like seeing ANYTHING suffer unnecessarily. Anyway I am climbing off my soap box now. Thanks for the video.
@@SJM6791 I feel exactly the same way, my man! I am trying to think of ways i can squirrel away alittle bit of cash here and there, so the wife does not actually realize how much it Costs, when inevitable give in to my addiction, break down, and bring one home. I figure if I can hide a few hundred a month til x-mas i might be ok.5 I could tell her it was only 1k instead of 3k. LMAO ....The things I do for love!!! (Of my guns,... "the things i do for love of my guns", not my wife, thats more of a sexually attracted terror!) lmao!
Is it capable of running 450 SMC or 45 Super? I feel 45 ACP PCC's are a bit of a waste if they can't run higher pressure ammo to take advantage of the longer barrel.
Wow THOSE HOGS EAT 45 ACP HST’s like NOTHING! They ARE TOUGH AS HELL. I WOULDNT USE THE HST unless your within 10 YARDS (GO WITH THE FEDERAL TROPHY BONDED BEAR CLAW) in 10 mm if your going to use a PCC..... Btw, HOW WELL DID THE LWRC PERFORM?
You are scarring the cattle you moron.
They are my cattle moron.
learn to spell, moron
@@LoneStarBoars people are so stupid Huey igggy that shit.
Tell me you're not from the country without telling me you're not from the country
Maybe he’s thinking emotional scarring?
The most disturbing part of this is I don't have an LWRC SMG 45.
Let the complainers own a farm and put all their money into it... they’d be calling someone like you for help.
It’s simple ignorance nothing more nothing less.
@@LoneStarBoars I would try some cheap hi-shok or hydra-shok. UMC or silver tip maybe. Any old tech hollow point that won't expand too much. Hst, speer, and even Ranger T are massive expanders. It's nice that thing is so quite. I'm sure that helps with the hunt
I wish I could put my uncle's phone number here and let you tell him that killing these invasive animals is wrong. He's a farmer in northern Indiana who just spent $8,334 (I am looking at the receipt right now on his Facebook page) for seed to replant all the crops he's lost to feral hogs. That's just for the seed. Add all the fuel and other cost of running a tractor/planter and you're probably over $10k. And that is money he spent to plant once this season already. I go up every weekend with my rifle to cull out as many as possible, but these are intelligent, elusive animals imbued with a sense of self preservation that would rival any dog or intelligent animal short of dolphins or whales. Try shooting a running hog. Their natural gate makes them move in three dimensions. Up, down, forward and they change directions like their on rails. I maybe get 8 to 12 adults and double the juveniles and it doesn't seem to help. Fences don't even slow them down when they're determined to get food. It's a living nightmare for any crop producer. And all the deer, turkey and animals you want on your property are displaced. They want nothing to do with hogs.
I’ve been waiting for this PCC for 2 year and I been waiting even longer for this video. Keep up the good fight Todd and don’t let these FN* weasels stop you.
Great video - Much prefer when you hit them with the 308 and put them down rather that pistol rounds but still a great video - Love your work and dont let the completion get you down !!
Yes I love the .308 also but there are a lot of people who want to know what different pistol rounds will do for a backup, and there are a few who want to use it as a challenge. I’m just trying to get raw information.
10mm would have been a better option for a pistol caliber carbine on Hogs.
I have a 10mm the 45 with 185gr double tap is outperforming the 10mm
Thank you for posting this, it is very informative on the effectiveness of this set up. It's apparent it leaves much to be desired and is something to be considered when I give it a go.
I have watched and enjoyed your work for years. Caused me to build a couple of Blackouts, thermal and a suppressor. Now I've got to find time to visit family in East Texas and go hunting. Keep up the great work.
Hell of a channel ! Keep up the fine videos coming please . Very educational
Thank you
Excellent Video and excellent optics. Enjoyed watching the thump thump smack down you put on those hogs. Thank you for your time posting. Great Video! Love hog hunting!
I own land up in North East Texas - it is a production lumber (small) operation. The feral hogs are rooting up newly planted trees and destroying potential lumber inventory. Your videos have helped me learn the eradication and control principles - please keep it up! really appreciate it. For the PETA folks, besides the hardwood lumber, the pulp from this pine is used for toilet paper, adult diapers (no kidding) and insulating materials - all very important right now... imagine doubling prices in the next year - demand due to world situation and falling supply because of these destructive pests. The rice farmers around me also are getting up to 10% of their crops up-rooted.
Call me I’ll come work on them, I do not charge farmers/ranchers.
Good and informative, when I can afford a thermal I will go to your website and buy from you, because you have proven your integrity in the past with equipment evaluations. Recently I did a hog hunt here in TX myself and used the 450 Bushmaster. I think the .452 pistol bullet might have a performance issue, on a large hog, due to a lower typical Sectional density than the .458 rifle bullet. The highest charted load for .452 ACP is 230gr. The highest available for a .452 pistol round is 300gr, so 45 Long Colt and 450 Bushmaster and not 45ACP. That's a .21 Sectional Density at 300gr, so dropping it in place means hitting a leg bone or the central nervous system, maybe. 168+gr .308 gets up to the .24+SD and seems to drop a hog in place often. You have gathered so much data I expect on what seems to stop a hog in it tracks, does your data match the claim a .24 sectional density bullet of 2200fps to 2800fps seems to mostly drop a hog in place if the hit is a heart/lung chest shot? (excluding broken leg bones and severed spinal cords or brain shot) I am curious because either I get a meat saving shot and risk having to track the animal, which means spending money on a thermal monocular or forget the ocular and just get a .308, spend the ocular money on a thermal scope later when I can afford that upgrade.
(sectional density calculator)
www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/density.htm?bw=300&bd=.452
(an explanation of SD that coupled with watching videos of hog eradication and forming an impression of what drops them in place, makes me go hmmm does it translate to hogs)
th-cam.com/video/5IKI4dbUB9o/w-d-xo.html
Good shoot look fun I just pick one up yesterday I can't wait to go to the range cheers
Absolutely love and enjoy your videos. I live in the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. Not only are you saving farm land, you're also helping keep them off of our roads and highways thus keeping us safe. In years past, i couldn't even begin to tell you how many i've hit and near misses. "F" the cry babies and complainers!!!!!- KEEP UP THE AWESOME JOB YOU'RE DOING!!!!!-
Keep up the good fight my friend, this video speaks volumes about the real problems that farmers are having when you can walk into a field & the hogs don't run from your noise alone, then you shoot & they still don't run away completely, it states they are getting so overgrown that their not scared of humans any longer, & that's not a good thing. Thanks for sharing.
OK...sweet rifle. Will be looking for these to hit the open market!!!
You FIGHT THEM BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. YOU CARRY THE HIGHEST QUALITY NIGHT VISION GEAR! YOU SENT ME A SPEC SHEET AND THESE WERE THE BEST NIGHT VISION SPECS ID EVER SEEN!!
To the complainers I say suck a raw egg, your doing a great job and service for yourself and those around you! I like the videos just fine! Thanks!!😃
Most people offended by hunting videos are city dwellers who live in condos and their entire experience with nature is throwing a Frisbee at the local park
This damn things have been spotted by some people even in the New Braunfels, Tx area (where I live) figured a 45acp PCC would drop them if they ever tried or ventured into my yard, you just helped to prove my point, thank you sir!
Love your videos. Don’t love the competition sabotaging your effort. TH-cam needs to get a handle on that.
I’ve never used a .45 to hunt hogs. But I might try 300 BLK subs someday. For now, I prefer to stay 100 yds away with a 30-something caliber rifle. 🤪
I would have thought that pistol ammo would work fine for hogs. I saw a "testing" video where 9mm was tested out to 400 yards. After 100 yards, they had to switch to a 9mm rifle, because the front site on the pistol was covering up the target. But even at 400 yards, it was still punching clean holes through 2.5 inches of wood. The slugs were about 115 grain, so they were still supersonic. I'm waiting for my 9mm rifle to arrive so I can try it on feral hogs. I'm really hopeful because of the cost of 9mm ammo against the cost of .308.
9mm is terrible for hogs even out of a rifle. Head and really ear shots are necessary. I’ve tried it be prepared for disappointing results. I was using top of the line Winchester ranger +p
That scope view is awesome. I am looking for an optic for my SMG and I use it just like this - ferrel hogs in the pasture.
You're one of the best TH-camrs educating about the feral hog problem (and assassinating them!) ...mad support to you
Todd, I think it might be due to that stuff all growing on your face :p Hope all goes well with your appeal. This world is big enough no need to go after the competition if that is who is reporting you. So much better for all to collaborate.
I'm jealous! That looks like nothing but a bunch of fun right there!
Dropped a mature whitetail doe with my 5in 1911 at 25 yards. I actually was using the same ammo but 230gr plus p HST. Very happy with the performance. A good pig load the Underwood ammo 200gr plus p Xtreme Penetrator. But that's pretty impressive especially since it was out of a gun with a can on it.
Keep doing what you do and I'll keep watching !!
Would love to see you try some of the Underwood extream hunter.
Kick ass video. Keep up the work. I have been subbed a while.
Not sure about 200 plus yard statment on the .45 though. Lol, It still has enough kinetic energy to kill at that range. Even 700 yards it can kill. If it will go through a 2x4 at 700 yards. You can bet it can kill.
Damn, after seeing those hogs stand up to those HST’s I do believe I’ll be changing mine over to Hornsby Critical Defense. I had no idea that ammo would be that ineffective. Thanks Huey, yeah it was educational.
People are more fragile than hogs. HST’s are summer bullets thick clothing is not ideal for them.
Invasive , and destructive beasts like the feral hog, needs to be eradicated. Such damage , and on the same level as Burmese Pythons to native wildlife. So thank you for your eradication service brother.
My favorite channel of all time.
I dream about this kinda life.
Whoever reporting your channel is lower than worm doody
Put the SMG to the test with some 45 super. I need to know..... Great video, sucks about HST performance.
@The Wraith Why do you troll this channel? This is the second time you have trolled my comments.
My thoughts exactly move it up to super levels and maybe some lighter barnes X
I found the 185 gr to work the best. I don’t have a spring heavy enough for the 45smc
People who disagree with shooting feral hogs should try farming with them around. I watched them wreck fields in Amarillo and in east Texas in lampassas
I wonder if a disclaimer played at 10X at the beginning of your videos would satisfy the powers that be? Just a thought. Also, I know it has been some time now but I literally think about the "Mr Bombastic" video on a weekly basis. Thank you Todd for all you do.
.45 ACP, as beloved as it may be, just doesn’t have the terminal performance of more suitable cartridges unless you’re sniping from 5 meters or less.
Todd you are the best feral hog exterminator on the web.
I am sure that you are aware of bullet sectional density: Penetration has lots to do with the ratio of an object's mass to its cross-sectional area, velocity is not part of the calculation.
The sectional density of a 230 grain 45ACP is 0.162 and the sectional density of a 123 grain 0.256 bullet is 0.268. The 0.268 will penetrate better than the 0.162 sectional density bullet.
Ask those guys who makes the LWRC SMG 45 to make one LWRC SMG 256 and you will be dropping more feral hogs than the competition !
The 230 grain 45ACP ain't doing it !
You should have a look at 350 Legend caliber. It looks to be a very good hog round for sure.
You should try the speer lawman .45 acp 200gr +P thats a stopper right there 💪🏼
That was awesome, *LWRC* best of the best. God Bless, brother.
It’s sad the competition will do that to you man. Best of luck to you!
I should be fine unless something drastically changes at this point it’s all been figured out.
I would call those ass's out! If they want to fuck with you let people know who they are, so no one buys from them.
Todd - will that gun handle 450 SMC? That ammo might be the ticket. I don't remember if you've done a video on that or not. The CMMG Guard 45 ACP can use 450 SMC. Seems like you did a video with that.
Please let us know who’s turning you in...
So we may not shop them accordingly.
I don’t buy from butthurt competition.
Rock on Todd, nice vid as always.
They won’t tell me, I don’t think they were supposed to tell me what they did it was a slip.
First Kills Ever! I have have been wanting on this gun for years. Great video!
I would try some cheap hi-shok or hydra-shok. Any old tech hollow point that won't expand too much. Hst, speer, and even Ranger T are massive expanders.
Ranger T worked awesome but the best so far has been the 185gr double tap.
Oooo...you lucky to have that! So been saving up for one of them!
Nice video thanks for posting.
I realize you are the man when it comes to night vision and hog eradication, and some day I hope to get into the night vision world. I can't right now, so I am looking for a scope for my AR10 in 308. What scope power would you recommend for something like this for day and evening shooting from 40-200 yds? Wasn't sure if something like a 1-8, or maybe a 3-18 with Illuminated reticle?
Close your eyes open them everyone you see is a hater . Do your job enjoy it , thank for the video's ,and helping the environment.
I see now that the hst don't get the penetration needed for a quick humane kill. Thanks for the video. Im going with 6.5 creedmore now.
I’d do a 308 over the creedmore just because if Ammo cost.
@@LoneStarBoars 308 it is then. Plus it's an heavier projectile. Thanks for your time in replying.
@@LoneStarBoars I just bought a single shot 308... What round do you recommend?
Good shooting, good video.
Question about ammunition: You don't get good penetration with the HST, do you think it's that you're getting too much expansion early, or that there's just not enough oompf behind it?
Also, curious if you have or will try out some non-expanding pisto ammol, like the Lehigh defense solid copper Extreme Penetrator/Extreme Defender? I've been wondering about those for a while. The claim is that they have (nearly) just as much penetration as regular FMJ, but a wound cavity closer to hollow points. Seems like hogs are good medium to test that out.
I’m going to test all kinds of ammo over time. So far the double tap 185 gr has been the best.
That's pretty low for other thermal optics companies reporting your videos.
That lwrc looks a lot like the H&K USC.
Can you use 450 smc ammo in that rifle?
it even uses HK mags
Who is that handsome bearded man!?! Lol looking good brother!
Sick looks fun with the smg
Yeah would not expect HST’s to be a go to round on Feral Pigs. There meant for more expansion especially at SMG velocities which would DEFINITELY make that round expand greater than normal thus creating more Friction impeding further penetration. Id say Go Lehigh if they have a Sub .45 offering or go with Hornady Critical DUTY. Way more penetration than expansion for thick Pig.
Good shooting, thanks for the video Todd.
Love your channel man I think it's safe to say that everyone here learns a thing or two from you ! Thank you so much for sharing and thank you for the educational info that I get from every one of your videos 👍🏽😎
Sir you are having way too much fun.
I know, I’m very blessed!
It seems that a sub Sonic round would make the moving shots much more difficult and the bullet drop much more of a factor as distance to the target changed. You also mention that none of your shots achieved full penetration. Cool looking gun but maybe not for this application. Thanks for the demo
Yes I’ve explained this is not the ideal caliber or firearm for this application. But you would not believe the number of people who ask how it performs on hogs.
@@LoneStarBoars Yes you did note this was not a good gun for hogs. I was just adding fuel to the fire. I have not had a chance to join a pig eradication outing but from the videos it looks like you get one good shot before the group scatters. The slow bullet requires greater lead on hogs running diagonally and more drop which makes it even harder to hit hogs running directly away. Even if the resulting impact was bone crushing at distance, the skill required to place the shot would be beyond that of most shooters. Just a bit of elaboration to your assessment. Thanks again for the video.
Really cool gun but I gotta say I was disappointed, I thought maybe you had a .45 Colt semi. The Win's were great on the big ones but what are you thinking max range for ACP? Sorry to hear about the BS, again. Any place we can go to give our 2 cents?
I want one 😭😍 of them thunder stick you are holding!...
No..make that 3!!!
You can hear the round smack the hogs. I love my M6IC spr from LWRC. Looks like I know what I'm buying next.
Todd, would you recommend using a .45 like this for feral hogs? Is there an advantage over using something chambered in 300 BLK or 5.56?
No this is to show people what their backup pistol will and won’t do with different Ammo. Now out to 50 yards subsonic I would take this over anything less than 45 caliber.
I'm sure you've used a lot of different pistol calibers. what are your favorite pistol ammo choices in 9mm, .40, .45 and 10mm? I really want to go hog hunting and own a pistol in each caliber so it's a matter of ammo selection.
9mm was useless without a head shot, 45acp, 44 mag, and 10mm are my favorites.
I carry a 9 for clean up and that oh shit moment. Fmj's in the brain puts them to sleep. I did stop a charging sow this spring. Took several shots to put her down, but i enjoyed it. Even got a piglet that came back due to her screams.
Lone Star Boars I know you said Win. Ranger for .45acp. What about in 10mm?
Try Hornady Interlock... it's a devastating bullet! works very well on wild boar.
The best round for .45acp is good 'ole hardball round nose. Preferably the old pre 80s magnetic kind with a copper and steel jacket.
Try Lehigh Defense "Xtreme Defense" 190g... penetrates like ball, wounds better than HP!
Friend of mine uses an Olympic Arms .45 upper/conversion (K24 or K45?) with a can for hogs and coyotes. I loaded him a C-box of some LD XD's and so far he's reporting 1-2 shot drops where he averaged 2-4 with regular JHP (he IS a pretty good shot). Autopsy's of the carcasses showed perfect penetration and extensive damage (aka "ethical kill").
Give those a try... Underwood doesn't do the subsonic XD but handloading them is easy.(I used 7.2g Power Pistol, 1.24COAL... clocked in an ave. of 1060fps in his Oly).
Man that Trijicon reap -IR IS NUTS it’s so awesome
What do you recommend for my rig night vision wise? MCX 300 blackout 16” barrel with Gemtech One Suppressor and Leupold Mark IV optic and .45 degree Surfire sights.
What's the setup on your SMG, and how are you getting video through your sight, does that sight actually record video. Also, what's your first hand experience with the LWRC as far as accuracy and reliability, considering all the videos bashing it. I just got one, and am loving it, but my limited experience with it has been on a range, not trying to peg moving targets.
You said your getting better results with the ranger t ammo were is a good place to purchase I find it hard to fine
Thanks I enjoy your videos and professional opinions! But your narration audio over the video was very low. My laptop volume was maxed out. I am disappointed to hear the 45 did so poorly, I really wanted it to smack those pigs down
Agreed , the 230g HST is a big expander and works awesome for concealed carry on smaller 45s like the Glock 30 and shield 45. But that's gonna cost you some major penetration at high velocity on pigs. I would be interested to see how the 200g Speer gold +p does, or possibly the 185g +p xtp bullet loaded by Underwood ammo at 1200 fps. Whatever you end up choosing please try some kind of lighter faster bullet at some point.
www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/45-acp-p-185-grain-xtp-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=18785720303673
SEEMS TO ME THAT THE 230 GR 45 CP IS WORKING WELL. MAYBE THE 185 GR 45 ACP WOULD WORK SINCE IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE 10 MM 200 GR ROUND
185 bonded from double tap so far is the clear winner in one shot drops.
@@LoneStarBoars thats all i use in my carry firearm for four legged and two legged animals. glad to know i am carrying the right stuff since i have been blessed by god to never have to use it on two legged animals. and i never thought to go pig hunting with a pistol round.
Awesome video!
Underwood , Buffalo bore or double tap 255gr, hardcast.Maybe a bonded bullet, or just a 230gr 45acp fmj bump up to 900 to 950 or maybe even 1000 fps.
2 questions: why not use fmj? i would think those would get better penetration than jhp. second question, did you use a fixed barrel spacer with the suppressor or did you have a booster spring? i have a couple pcc's that i shoot suppressed and have to use a fixed barrel spacer. was told at triggrcon that the lwrc needs a booster, but not sure why.
Fmj’s just poke holes especially at 45acp velocity, I want to tear and cause damage. SMG needs a booster the barrel moves.
@@LoneStarBoars awesome! thanks for the info! looking forward to ordering mine. wish i could take a trip and help be a solution to your hog problem lol.
Did you have any feeding problems ?My Mag only let me fire 19 out of the 25 rnds. I'm waiting for new mags from LWRC.
No I’ve only had two malfunctions in 5k rounds.
Thank you for getting back to me. I hope the new mags fix the problem... Other than the mags I love the SMG...
Wow! Such a big difference between pistol calibers and rifle calibers. Those pigs just kept getting hit and ran forever. Beautiful gun, but I wonder if you’ll find ammo that gets somewhat reliable kills without having to hit the hog 10 times.
I already have had very good results with Winchester Ranger T series. God good kills with center shoulder hits which is impressive for a pistol caliber. But it’s still a pistol caliber it’s going to be inline with subsonic rifle Ammo.
Lone Star Boars that is impressive. Thanks for sharing your hunts with us 👍
@@j.m.8193 very impressive. My wallet weeped, though. 45 ammo adds up when you got to hit a pig that many times.
Is this using the BCO cam or recording straight off the optic?
Yes but I left the protective lense coating on it so it’s a tad blurry. Operator error.
10-4, looks pretty good!
Have you thought about trying Hornady 230 gr XTP???
Yes I’m going to try as many as I can get my hands on. I will say the xtp gave me disappointing results in 10mm.
@@LoneStarBoars
I carry a FNH 45 Tactical with Osprey can loaded with the 230 gr XTP as backup when I do hog eradication in SC and GA.
My primary weapon is a LWRC ICE Six-8 with Silver State Armory 110 gr bonded. I use an old style OSS 30 cal can on it. The 45 is for finishing off and popping piglets when they come back to momma.
Not very sporting, but it is NOT HUNTING, it is ERADICATION!!!!
Feral hogs are a MENACE and must be destroyed.
Good luck. Curios how the XTP works from the longer barrel.
Figure I should let you know I shoot for the back of the head. Either for behind the ear or the base of the skull. The 45 does a good job. Would like to use 10mm, but haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
You have a sling good did a hog do that to you how heavy is a hog are they over a hundred pounds I like snow that's why I'm asking they're from the north men out in the south I heard they're good eating I wouldn't know?
You should try the liberty civil defense its it is cooking outta a pistol lenght barrel. I'm not sure if it will have the penetration you are looking for but it makes a huge hole
How long is the barrel? any idea on muzzle v? what do u think max range for this gun is? 20yds?
It’s 8.5”. So getting more velocity than published 45 cap velocity since the standard is to measure from a 5” barrel. Most of these including the first two big ones were past 30 yards. There are kills in this video out to 50 yards.
Nice video! Have you tried any of the solid copper bullets from Leigh defense?
For educational purposes how about some of my hard lead cast bullets. Old school cool all the way.
Indeed. I'd like to see some good hot loaded hand loads too. When he said he's using the HST round I knew full well he'd be doing a lot of shooting. They expand nicely in human targets without too much over penetration but even small hogs are a different story. That one 50lb hog had 7 straight shots in him, probably 9 shots altogether and was still going. One thing is for certain....the resiliency of hogs when using self-defense ammo is great! Would like to see some Underwood +P+ rounds used. Funny though....$3,000 firearm getting .03 cent performance in this role.
Much debate going around in many quarters about the random flyers this particular firearm shoots. Several inches at close range.
Mine shoots great.
You can get some underwood 45 super or 45 SMC that would run safely in the smg. If you just want to stick with 45 acp, I would recommend some underwood extreme penetrators
I have 45 SMC it functioned but needs a stiffer spring.
Lone Star Boars will LWRC have heavier springs available for the SMG 45? I think that would be something to mention to LWRC as a tester if they don’t
I have several springs to test, Not sure what will be available in the end.
Have you used any 10mm pcc's on hogs?
Hi lone star boars, I just purchased a lwrc SMG 45, and was wondering if you had tried 45 supers, or 450 smc thru it.
Needs a heavier spring than what I have.
@@LoneStarBoars right on thanks man!
I WANT ONE of those LWRC .45 SMG. I LOVE my six8 10.5in. Lwrc makes AWESOME GUNS!......I know u were testing out a platform, but would much rather see a hog go down with one shot. Yeah even a pest deserves a clean painless kill. They are destructive, but they are not ACTIVELY evil, shit humans are a invasive destructive species, just dont like seeing ANYTHING suffer unnecessarily. Anyway I am climbing off my soap box now. Thanks for the video.
I want one as well, but $3,000 is quite a bit of money for the average guy like myself.
@@SJM6791 I feel exactly the same way, my man! I am trying to think of ways i can squirrel away alittle bit of cash here and there, so the wife does not actually realize how much it Costs, when inevitable give in to my addiction, break down, and bring one home. I figure if I can hide a few hundred a month til x-mas i might be ok.5 I could tell her it was only 1k instead of 3k. LMAO ....The things I do for love!!! (Of my guns,... "the things i do for love of my guns", not my wife, thats more of a sexually attracted terror!) lmao!
JustAnother InternetExpert- Good luck!!
Some simple ball ammo might do the job. Maybe some Underwood extreme penetrator
I would agree with ball ammo in 45 as well.
I forgot to take my Dramamine before watching this one!
Yep no shooting sticks for the SMG.
@@LoneStarBoars great shots regardless.
Is it capable of running 450 SMC or 45 Super? I feel 45 ACP PCC's are a bit of a waste if they can't run higher pressure ammo to take advantage of the longer barrel.
Great vid friend. Would be good if you repeat this "test" with .45 ball ammo. A little more penetration and still a .45" hole.
Keep up the great work!
You try Garrett Cartridges of Texas .45 ammo? I love their 45-70 ammo.
what scope are you using i only seen that scope in a movie would like to know more about it
www.hueyoutdoors.com/product/reap-ir-type-2-35mm/
Have you tried the Federal HST 230 +P or the Federal 230 Tactical Bonded?
Hst doesn’t get enough penetration.
You’ve tried the +P? Winchester Ranger up next?
Wow THOSE HOGS EAT 45 ACP HST’s like NOTHING! They ARE TOUGH AS HELL. I WOULDNT USE THE HST unless your within 10 YARDS (GO WITH THE FEDERAL TROPHY BONDED BEAR CLAW) in 10 mm if your going to use a PCC.....
Btw, HOW WELL DID THE LWRC PERFORM?