Can you folks at ‘Simple Flying’ get any info on how the flight crew was made aware of the cabin smoke in time to start and reject takeoff roll. Was it a flight deck warning of some kind?
Yes, there’s a special sensor onboard called “Cabin crew”. They have to dial the emergency captain call number on the interphone and inform about any issues or danger. We’re not there just looking pretty, we need to keep an eye on the cabin at all times during take off and landing for situations like this.
@MandoMonge And there's also auxiliary sensors called "passengers" that can help cover more area and/or improve response time. Sometimes there are hundreds of them per flight.
@@moteroargentino7944 unfortunately, these sensors never pay attention to the safety video, bring their bags with them, stand up to go to the toilet during take off roll and scream at you when you demand them to fasten their seatbelt during turbulence and when you tell them they can’t sleep on the floor.
Perhaps due to the fact that the Aircraft is more than 25 years old and has clocked more than 100,000 of running,, the system is showing signs of its age ,,,with history of trouble on earlier occasions also ,,it is perhaps time the Aircraft deserves a thorough check up and replace any potential or likely thorny parts before it is put back on the run,, the safety of passenger should be top concern of the airline authority
Agreed. I have a 7 year old car with only 25,000 miles on it and just had to spend $800 getting the transfer case repaired. Simply amazing how these planes can fly so many miles for so many years and have relatively few issues. Kudos goes out to all of the maintenance crews for sure.
I don't have a problem with United taking their 777s deep into their lives, that airframe is good for 180,000 flight hours, however they gotta make sure they are well maintained and looked after in that event.
Jeez and only a few weeks ago I flew a with United Airlines on 777-200er. It was great and all but I would never expect something this to happen weeks later
UA combined their original 777’s with the Continental 777 GE engines. B772 ending in numbers are CO equipment. If it ends in UA, original UA. CO birds way superior 🤗
The Boeing 777-200 stay on Tuesday September 6 on the apron of Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. Waiting on technicians of United Airlines. Greet from Zandvoort.
Curious on what information pilots got to make the abort decision so quickly. Smok alarm on display? cabin crew calling to advise smoke in cabin (uf som would have been very fast). Did smoke start when engines revved up for take off, or did it start when engines started and pilots hope ir was just engine startup smoke that would clear, but after revving up, crew advised smoked continued? Aborting takeoff is usually not based on a hunch but rather hard information.
As I understand it, Boeing didn't "skip" 717 as a model number. That was the model number of the KC-135. When Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merged in 1997, the only McDonnell Douglas aircraft to remain in production was the MD-95, which Boeing eventually renamed as the 717-200.
Is this yet another problem emerging with the Boeing product, or simply an hours issue where upon components are at the end of there life cycle? Would be interesting to find out.
Why? Could be some maintenance was missed. Maybe the insulation on a wire was damaged by crews working on the plane. It is unrealistic to scrap every a plane for a minor problem. If well cared for airliners can fly till they have exceeded the safety limit for cabin pressurization cycles and hours in the air. This plan may have another 50K hours of useful life left. Planes can be retired if they become uneconomical to fly.
Just curious, if this had been an Airbus aircraft would we be hearing about it? Probably not. 100,000 hours is not excessive for an aircraft of this age.
@@sshah2545 Every little problem that occurs on a Boeing aircraft becomes worldwide news. Another You Tube aircraft channel posted a headline that one Australian airline "had grounded" their Boeing 787's. When in fact, one 787 was grounded die to a bird strike. Another 787 was grounded due to lightning strike, a third was grounded due to FOD. A fourth was grounded awaiting a critical part. So the headline capitalizes on the bash Boeing bandwagon when the fact that they were 787's had absolutely no bearing on the problems
100,000+ flight hours. This bird needs to be retired. Especially with a past history of incidents and coming after the 2 other major United 777-200 incidents (Denver and Honolulu) in recent years with ships N772UA and N773UA The first Gen 777-200 have reached the end of their lives
Nothing to see here - aircrew were made aware of a problem, and chose not to take it into the air. Followed the correct procedure with an RTO and chose to carry out an evacuation (their prerogative - they were there and made the decision on what they knew and could see). Did I really hear that it took 10 minutes for the Emergency services to arrive? They could have all been dead in that time....
You wonder why Americans who love to fly chose to take middle eastern & Asian airlines. I looked up top 10 safest airlines and American airlines made.........THE TOP 20 😔😔. Yeah I'm taking Emirates to Dubai now
I have been watching aviation related videos/documentaries for a while and it seems that 80% of crashes/incidents happen at or going to Schiphol airport. I am never flying to or from that airport, EVER!
I can’t believe you all want to compare AA to UA aircraft. Thing go wrong on aircraft and nothing is probably connected to each other. This happened on aircraft all the time and are minor, but crews are safety first mindset. Then you go threw issues that happen in the past. I can tell you maintenance personnel would never let an unsafe aircraft fly if it’s not safe. Shame on you for comparing issues in the past.
Imagine being a hardcore Airbus fan that you ignore the unreported Airbus incidents, if it was an Airbus plane, would we be hearing about it? No. It would be unreported but if it is a Boring jet? Media frenzy.
@@zaijiancelis would tend to agree.. Latest news is smoke reported in a Qatar A380 cockpit, resulting in an immediate return to Doha... I'm sure will go unreported as well...
Next up: Passengers taking their bags while evacuating….
Already done on this channel
@@heidirabenau511 but for this particular incident
Did that happen this time? :(
predictable
I will do this since all my stuff are expensive or limited edition stuff that is no longer made
Glad everyone made it out safely
So does the Qatar a380 report of smoke in the cockpit , prompting an immediate retuning to Doha, get a post as well???
Better safe than sorry. Props to the crew.
Can you folks at ‘Simple Flying’ get any info on how the flight crew was made aware of the cabin smoke in time to start and reject takeoff roll. Was it a flight deck warning of some kind?
Yes, there’s a special sensor onboard called “Cabin crew”. They have to dial the emergency captain call number on the interphone and inform about any issues or danger.
We’re not there just looking pretty, we need to keep an eye on the cabin at all times during take off and landing for situations like this.
@MandoMonge And there's also auxiliary sensors called "passengers" that can help cover more area and/or improve response time. Sometimes there are hundreds of them per flight.
@@MandoMonge You make it sound like you're crew, who are in the cabin!
@@moteroargentino7944 unfortunately, these sensors never pay attention to the safety video, bring their bags with them, stand up to go to the toilet during take off roll and scream at you when you demand them to fasten their seatbelt during turbulence and when you tell them they can’t sleep on the floor.
@@MandoMonge Hahaha very true. Luckily they're just auxiliary. But once in a while one of them could help make a difference.
I think the old bird is trying to tell United something.
Sitting in the desert for a year and a half can sure make old birds cranky.
It’s sad that the writing may be on the wall for these old birds. Love the -200s.
United are taking their 777s deep into their lives, but they gotta make sure they are still up to the job
Lets just be glad we didnt have another Swiss Airlines 111
Getting ready to fly United airline for first time to Europe and return with Lufthansa Airlines end of the year! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Boeing has issued order on 777 that a part needs to be check and updated!
You good?
Perhaps due to the fact that the Aircraft is more than 25 years old and has clocked more than 100,000 of running,, the system is showing signs of its age ,,,with history of trouble on earlier occasions also ,,it is perhaps time the Aircraft deserves a thorough check up and replace any potential or likely thorny parts before it is put back on the run,, the safety of passenger should be top concern of the airline authority
Agreed. I have a 7 year old car with only 25,000 miles on it and just had to spend $800 getting the transfer case repaired. Simply amazing how these planes can fly so many miles for so many years and have relatively few issues. Kudos goes out to all of the maintenance crews for sure.
I don't have a problem with United taking their 777s deep into their lives, that airframe is good for 180,000 flight hours, however they gotta make sure they are well maintained and looked after in that event.
How come it took fire crews 10 minutes to respond???
Thank you. That is the newsworthy story that needs to be looked into.
Always better to find smoke before takeoff than twenty minutes after.
Maybe there is an issue with the bleed air system or the packs in the plane...
A passenger was probably smoking in the toilet . Flight attendants have told me it happens frequently - Crazy
You’d be surprised the amount of times it does and how clever some passengers are when trying to hide it
Very good pilots. Nothing more to say.
appropriate procedure
Jeez and only a few weeks ago I flew a with United Airlines on 777-200er. It was great and all but I would never expect something this to happen weeks later
UA combined their original 777’s with the Continental 777 GE engines. B772 ending in numbers are CO equipment. If it ends in UA, original UA. CO birds way superior 🤗
oh damn! never seen something like this
Common.
Takeoffs are aborted for different reasons everyday somewhere in the world.
The Boeing 777-200 stay on Tuesday September 6 on the apron of Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. Waiting on technicians of United Airlines. Greet from Zandvoort.
Curious on what information pilots got to make the abort decision so quickly. Smok alarm on display? cabin crew calling to advise smoke in cabin (uf som would have been very fast). Did smoke start when engines revved up for take off, or did it start when engines started and pilots hope ir was just engine startup smoke that would clear, but after revving up, crew advised smoked continued?
Aborting takeoff is usually not based on a hunch but rather hard information.
Hard to believe there is no footage of pax evacuating the aircraft.
Some more elusive engine bleed air events.
Why did Boeing initially skip the Boeing 717?
As I understand it, Boeing didn't "skip" 717 as a model number. That was the model number of the KC-135. When Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merged in 1997, the only McDonnell Douglas aircraft to remain in production was the MD-95, which Boeing eventually renamed as the 717-200.
Is this yet another problem emerging with the Boeing product, or simply an hours issue where upon components are at the end of there life cycle? Would be interesting to find out.
The aircraft is 25 years old and is nearing retirement, it isn’t Boeing’s fault.
Sounds like this specific aircraft needs to be put out to pasture before something catastrophic happens with it
You know nothing of the facts, and you want to scrap a aircraft worth hundreds of millions?
Why? Could be some maintenance was missed. Maybe the insulation on a wire was damaged by crews working on the plane. It is unrealistic to scrap every a plane for a minor problem. If well cared for airliners can fly till they have exceeded the safety limit for cabin pressurization cycles and hours in the air. This plan may have another 50K hours of useful life left.
Planes can be retired if they become uneconomical to fly.
It’s 25 years old, so problems with this old plane should be expected
Maybe they should let us know what our planes are that we fly on any of the incidents before our flight so we can change airplanes if worried
10 minutes. No way. That is awfully slow.
Maybe time to retire this aircraft- ya think??
I am a United member ...makes me think twice about maybe changing my Airline of choice. 🤔
Just curious, if this had been an Airbus aircraft would we be hearing about it? Probably not. 100,000 hours is not excessive for an aircraft of this age.
What does this have to do with Boeing vs Airbus?
@@sshah2545 Every little problem that occurs on a Boeing aircraft becomes worldwide news. Another You Tube aircraft channel posted a headline that one Australian airline "had grounded" their Boeing 787's. When in fact, one 787 was grounded die to a bird strike. Another 787 was grounded due to lightning strike, a third was grounded due to FOD. A fourth was grounded awaiting a critical part. So the headline capitalizes on the bash Boeing bandwagon when the fact that they were 787's had absolutely no bearing on the problems
Safety of course, but the plane its getting Old.
Let's speed up the 777X and its GE9X certifications.
100,000+ flight hours.
This bird needs to be retired. Especially with a past history of incidents and coming after the 2 other major United 777-200 incidents (Denver and Honolulu) in recent years with ships
N772UA and N773UA
The first Gen 777-200 have reached the end of their lives
Retiring.
Actually the world's first delivered 777, the N777UA, is still flying, it is above pacific en-route to Hawaii as I'm making this reply.
All Boing Boung planes need to be taken out of the air.
The effective aircraft is back in service and currently flying from Los Angeles to New York
@@profdrrameshkumarbiswas1337 smartest take from an airbus fan
Most common smoke/odor cause: mice and their nests and pee.
Maintenance Issue,,,, I'm sure of that
Bluddey maintenance men
Glad I’m seeing this after I recently flew on a United 777-200 😂
We Europeans avoid Boing planes
@@profdrrameshkumarbiswas1337 lol. I did enjoy my A330 NEO flight more that was around a week before my 777 flight
Oh my
Nothing to see here - aircrew were made aware of a problem, and chose not to take it into the air. Followed the correct procedure with an RTO and chose to carry out an evacuation (their prerogative - they were there and made the decision on what they knew and could see). Did I really hear that it took 10 minutes for the Emergency services to arrive? They could have all been dead in that time....
i remebeer seeing n787ua fly over my house once!
Maybe it's time to retire that airplane.
Too much talking, not enough footage. 😕
Sounds like your honeymoon.
You wonder why Americans who love to fly chose to take middle eastern & Asian airlines. I looked up top 10 safest airlines and American airlines made.........THE TOP 20 😔😔. Yeah I'm taking Emirates to Dubai now
Unrelated incidences
Please say Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (instead of Amsterdam Schiphol Airport) in the next videos. It sounds so much better.
We just don’t say it that way in English
😢
Not a big deal
Time to retire this plane
Why?
@@danharold3087 United needs to replace this 25 year old bird, it is getting increasingly expensive to maintain
@@zaijiancelis I would not disagree with that. But not with saying it needs replacing because of this single smoke incident.
@@danharold3087 It really has to be replaced, problem is there isn’t an easy replacement to the 777-200
@@zaijiancelis 777s are good for 180,000 hours, but if you're going to take them that deep you gotta make sure they are well maintained.
I have been watching aviation related videos/documentaries for a while and it seems that 80% of crashes/incidents happen at or going to Schiphol airport. I am never flying to or from that airport, EVER!
I can’t believe you all want to compare AA to UA aircraft. Thing go wrong on aircraft and nothing is probably connected to each other. This happened on aircraft all the time and are minor, but crews are safety first mindset. Then you go threw issues that happen in the past. I can tell you maintenance personnel would never let an unsafe aircraft fly if it’s not safe. Shame on you for comparing issues in the past.
Apparently the pilots were laughing too much and had to evacuate for some munchies
Typical Boing Boing plane.
Imagine being a hardcore Airbus fan that you ignore the unreported Airbus incidents, if it was an Airbus plane, would we be hearing about it? No. It would be unreported but if it is a Boring jet? Media frenzy.
@@zaijiancelis would tend to agree..
Latest news is smoke reported in a Qatar A380 cockpit, resulting in an immediate return to Doha...
I'm sure will go unreported as well...
Use Airbus.
Ofcourse Swiss a220 diverted due to burning odor in cockpit ..goes totally unreported.!!
@@isthatso5616 A220 is not Airbus. Embraer is much better, and I´m suggesting A350.
@@petergatzbirle3293 A330 would also work :)
@@johndeerex7589, yes, sure, A330 is my favorite. :))
@@petergatzbirle3293 Yes, simply because it is an Airbus it is definitely safe and effective and cheap and favorite 💀
Glad everyone made it out safely