Too geeky? Oh hell no! I love geeky stuff and that's what I've been looking for in these podcasts. Congrats to Sunshine for his first solo. Looking forward to more episodes from him.
Loved it , bring the geek on, I may have to listen to it 10 times but it will sink in 😊 . This podcast just keeps getting better and better . Can't wait for the future shows thanks Jell-O and sunshine.
Would love to hear more about F-35 air dominance capability that might not have been initially intended, but is a product of VLO, sensor fusion, sensor interleaving, and MADL.
@@FighterPilotPodcast What I heard in this podcast was that the F-35 was focused more on being a strike aircraft, which has always been my understanding until what I heard LTC Chip Berke and a senior grey Eagle driver say about their experiences in the F-35A & B. Berke's main takeaway was that he came into 5th Gen aircraft from a 4th Gen perspective, which he soon realized was wholly inadequate to understand what a 5th Gen bird really was, and he came to that realization in the F-22A. He pointed out that VLO is what most people fixate on, when the sensor fusion and info sharing are more relevant. He illustrated that by saying the F-22 is the fastest, most maneuverable fighter out there, and those are the least impressive things about it. I listened to Dozer's aircraft interview where he briefly talked about F-22A initial tactics development and how no matter what kind of approaches they flew against C Model Eagles, they just slayed them for sport and were never seen. In one 4 v 12 they did, he said they got so tired of beating Vipers & Eagles, they had a contest against the clock to see how quickly they could kill 12, and did it in 2min 22sec. Berke said the F-35 is more like the -22 than any other bird out there for A2A, and brings things to the table the -22 doesn't have in that regard. First thing that came to my mind when he said that was EODAS & NCTR interleaved with the basic sensor fusion architecture approach from the Raptor. Either way, I wouldn't want to be near the airfield, let alone my aircraft if I was any threat air, & knew JSF was in theater.
@@LRRPFco52 I feel like that's what alot of the public doesn't realize about the f35. Being fast flying high and having a high sustaned turn rate is great but these aircraft aren't racing they are fighting. I've never flown IRL but when I play fighter sims the biggest task I have is managing my sensors and finding targets. I too would love to hear more about the f35 in an air dominance role. Everyone criticicizes it's small wings but dont consider that it's specially shaped fat body also produces lift. I think it might also be more manuverable than people make it out to be. It seems to have very good high AoA performance.
@@memememine1 F-35 has higher cruise speed than the F-16 combat configured, far more combat radius, and better E-M from the words of senior F-16 pilots who have flown the F-35A. One Norwegian pilot pointed out that he doesn't have to light the burner to make sustained speed turns over FL250 in the F-35A, which he has to do in the F-16 with wing tanks.
Great solo “Sunshine.” Jell-O cuts your tie and you buy him a Big Mac? Hate to admit it, but I learned a lot. Felt like a caveman emerging from a hibernation 2.5 million years ago. Like the discussion on flying with 1 vs 2 engines. Love that HOTAS stuff too! Gee, no more reaching down to put the master arm or station select you forgot on a night bomb run at release altitude and fly into the ground!!! Or close to it.
Man I couldn't imagine spending years in Fallon. Holy Crap. 6 weeks was enough however Reno is cool and I'm a dirt dirtbike rider so it was cool to ride out there.
You can geek out as much as you want. Only wish would be if it ever get that deep (like system acronyms which are not commonly known) you would explain what said words mean.
Hello Shadow--I try to explain every new term that comes up. If it is a term that was previously used and explained (and on our website Glossary page) then I usually don't explain it again.
@@FighterPilotPodcast I know you do, that is why as simmer I have nothing against (even encourage) you going "extreme geeknes". It can only help me understand better my virtual DCS Hornet
It's very cool but also quite intimidating just how advanced the tech is in the 5th gen, and that's current. What about the super secret 6th or 7th gen stuff that's being developed now. I wonder if 5th gen will be the last to require a pilot on board?
@@FighterPilotPodcast Indeed. Military always have tech well before everyone else, so us mere mortals can only dream what tech the F35 and 6th gen stuff have now that we might see commercially in 20-30 years,
I thought the sensor integration, functionality was the the main point of the F-35 platform. It's an invisible eye in the sky which gives everyone else on it's team much better situational awareness. As I understand it, F-35's purpose seems to be focused on integrating all the different sensors of other platforms into a wholistic battlefield site picture and coordinate the efforts of other platforms. Basically a single crewed stealth AWACS which can fight.
Sunshine: Nice interview! With all you've learned from Skosh, I'm curious to know...in a close-in, 1 vs 1 dogfight, would you prefer a 4th generation aircraft with high-off-boresight weapons (e.g. AIM-9X) or 5th generation without them?
Tough call. Neither Sunshine nor I (Jell-O) ever flew 5th Gen fighters but I have to think he'd agree a 4th with JHMCS and AIM-9X. But per this episode, the F-35 hopefully never gets to that point...
A 5th Gen isn't a 5th gen without HMD or HMS nowadays, as F-22A got JHMCS integration. The question I always have for people is what was your logical sequence that led up to a 4th Gen setting up a merge with a 5th Gen? A. After your wingman bursts into a fireball, you start volume searching where you weren't pointed upon turning into a 1-ship? B. Aviator wizardry?
F-35 and, recently, F-22 both have high-off boresight, and F-35 using DAS can even track targets in any direction, which makes AIM-9X infinitely more lethal.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Plus AIM-9X Block II is a BVR missile. When someone makes a high speed approach at you unobserved, & volley-fires AIM-9X & AIM-120D at you with no missile warning, you're done.
They did that reserve type deal with vfa 125 when I was in And we merged to into 122. Lol looks like you're ahead of me since you literally said that as I was typing.
Very nice interview. However, the Germans developed air to air rockets against the B-17. They calculated and built the volume of exhaust gases to fill the internal volume of the B-17. If I remember correctly, the first test flight in combat yielded an impressive number of air to air kills. This was late in the war and the production facilities for these unguided rockets was accidentally and completely destroyed. Not a sustained weapon, but a first gen air to air weapon.
Too geeky? Oh hell no! I love geeky stuff and that's what I've been looking for in these podcasts. Congrats to Sunshine for his first solo. Looking forward to more episodes from him.
Loved it , bring the geek on, I may have to listen to it 10 times but it will sink in 😊 . This podcast just keeps getting better and better . Can't wait for the future shows thanks Jell-O and sunshine.
Congrats on your first interview Sunshine. You smashed it man. You and Jell-O keep up the bloody great work 👍👍👍👍
Excellent episode Sunshine!
As a former radio announcer, by far, this the very best intro voice over, followed by your father-in-law’s intro voice over.
Very happy I finally found your podcast!
So are we!
Sunshine did a fantastic job. My vote is for all the geek stuff we can handle.
Hell no. Give us some of that geeky stuff. I love hearing that stuff. Keep up the good work guys. Love it!
Awesome episode. Sunshine did a fantastic job.
Agreed. 👍
Would love to hear more about F-35 air dominance capability that might not have been initially intended, but is a product of VLO, sensor fusion, sensor interleaving, and MADL.
LRRPFco52 much of that cannot be covered in unclassified venues.
@@FighterPilotPodcast What I heard in this podcast was that the F-35 was focused more on being a strike aircraft, which has always been my understanding until what I heard LTC Chip Berke and a senior grey Eagle driver say about their experiences in the F-35A & B.
Berke's main takeaway was that he came into 5th Gen aircraft from a 4th Gen perspective, which he soon realized was wholly inadequate to understand what a 5th Gen bird really was, and he came to that realization in the F-22A. He pointed out that VLO is what most people fixate on, when the sensor fusion and info sharing are more relevant. He illustrated that by saying the F-22 is the fastest, most maneuverable fighter out there, and those are the least impressive things about it.
I listened to Dozer's aircraft interview where he briefly talked about F-22A initial tactics development and how no matter what kind of approaches they flew against C Model Eagles, they just slayed them for sport and were never seen. In one 4 v 12 they did, he said they got so tired of beating Vipers & Eagles, they had a contest against the clock to see how quickly they could kill 12, and did it in 2min 22sec.
Berke said the F-35 is more like the -22 than any other bird out there for A2A, and brings things to the table the -22 doesn't have in that regard. First thing that came to my mind when he said that was EODAS & NCTR interleaved with the basic sensor fusion architecture approach from the Raptor.
Either way, I wouldn't want to be near the airfield, let alone my aircraft if I was any threat air, & knew JSF was in theater.
@@LRRPFco52 I feel like that's what alot of the public doesn't realize about the f35. Being fast flying high and having a high sustaned turn rate is great but these aircraft aren't racing they are fighting. I've never flown IRL but when I play fighter sims the biggest task I have is managing my sensors and finding targets. I too would love to hear more about the f35 in an air dominance role. Everyone criticicizes it's small wings but dont consider that it's specially shaped fat body also produces lift. I think it might also be more manuverable than people make it out to be. It seems to have very good high AoA performance.
@@memememine1 F-35 has higher cruise speed than the F-16 combat configured, far more combat radius, and better E-M from the words of senior F-16 pilots who have flown the F-35A. One Norwegian pilot pointed out that he doesn't have to light the burner to make sustained speed turns over FL250 in the F-35A, which he has to do in the F-16 with wing tanks.
LRRPFco52 great comment
Great Job Sunshine.
This was really good, guys.
This was amazing, I always assumed this type of information was still classified
Not what we talked about!
Nah man there's quite a bit of knowledge out there about cutting edge technology if you dig deep enough.
Great solo “Sunshine.” Jell-O cuts your tie and you buy him a Big Mac? Hate to admit it, but I learned a lot. Felt like a caveman emerging from a hibernation 2.5 million years ago. Like the discussion on flying with 1 vs 2 engines. Love that HOTAS stuff too! Gee, no more reaching down to put the master arm or station select you forgot on a night bomb run at release altitude and fly into the ground!!! Or close to it.
Thanks Jell-O. You the man!
Man I couldn't imagine spending years in Fallon. Holy Crap. 6 weeks was enough however Reno is cool and I'm a dirt dirtbike rider so it was cool to ride out there.
You can geek out as much as you want. Only wish would be if it ever get that deep (like system acronyms which are not commonly known) you would explain what said words mean.
Hello Shadow--I try to explain every new term that comes up. If it is a term that was previously used and explained (and on our website Glossary page) then I usually don't explain it again.
@@FighterPilotPodcast I know you do, that is why as simmer I have nothing against (even encourage) you going "extreme geeknes". It can only help me understand better my virtual DCS Hornet
It's very cool but also quite intimidating just how advanced the tech is in the 5th gen, and that's current. What about the super secret 6th or 7th gen stuff that's being developed now. I wonder if 5th gen will be the last to require a pilot on board?
Possibly. It's cliche but only time will tell.
@@FighterPilotPodcast Indeed. Military always have tech well before everyone else, so us mere mortals can only dream what tech the F35 and 6th gen stuff have now that we might see commercially in 20-30 years,
Implants will make piloting easier.
LOVE IT!
I thought the sensor integration, functionality was the the main point of the F-35 platform. It's an invisible eye in the sky which gives everyone else on it's team much better situational awareness.
As I understand it, F-35's purpose seems to be focused on integrating all the different sensors of other platforms into a wholistic battlefield site picture and coordinate the efforts of other platforms.
Basically a single crewed stealth AWACS which can fight.
Check out our F-35 episode (78) and you'll find we agree with you.
Be interested to hear more about Jellos experience in the MiG-15
Never flew the MiG-15 (did I mistakenly say I did or was that Sunshine?)
@@FighterPilotPodcast That was Sunshine! I messed up my apology
@@hg2560 No problem--I thought maybe I forgot!
More geeky stuff the better. Also anything that could help me learn more and for DVD unless the Hornet C is using outdated software. Thanks guys
Sunshine: Nice interview! With all you've learned from Skosh, I'm curious to know...in a close-in, 1 vs 1 dogfight, would you prefer a 4th generation aircraft with high-off-boresight weapons (e.g. AIM-9X) or 5th generation without them?
Tough call. Neither Sunshine nor I (Jell-O) ever flew 5th Gen fighters but I have to think he'd agree a 4th with JHMCS and AIM-9X. But per this episode, the F-35 hopefully never gets to that point...
A 5th Gen isn't a 5th gen without HMD or HMS nowadays, as F-22A got JHMCS integration.
The question I always have for people is what was your logical sequence that led up to a 4th Gen setting up a merge with a 5th Gen?
A. After your wingman bursts into a fireball, you start volume searching where you weren't pointed upon turning into a 1-ship?
B. Aviator wizardry?
@@FighterPilotPodcast wasn't that said about the f-4 and not having a cannon
F-35 and, recently, F-22 both have high-off boresight, and F-35 using DAS can even track targets in any direction, which makes AIM-9X infinitely more lethal.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Plus AIM-9X Block II is a BVR missile. When someone makes a high speed approach at you unobserved, & volley-fires AIM-9X & AIM-120D at you with no missile warning, you're done.
Excellent.
Are helicopters also divided by different generations?
Good question. Never heard any discussion on that but that doesn't mean they're not. Anyone else know...?
@@FighterPilotPodcast Either way, thank you for the reply.
Keep doing these fantastic podcasts with such a great content.👍
Love this stuff!!! Just the right amount of Nerdy! Lol
The latest Saab JAS-39s and Typhoons could also be considered gen 4.5, no?
FloppyHares the 4.5 Gen is kind of nebulous, but quite possibly!
They did that reserve type deal with vfa 125 when I was in And we merged to into 122. Lol looks like you're ahead of me since you literally said that as I was typing.
We are here for the geeky stuff!
LOL, there is always that 4.0 buster
Me-109 OG of all OGs
...um... ok.
Are u gonna talk about any Russian aircrafts
Eventually, if we can find suitable guests.
Very nice interview. However, the Germans developed air to air rockets against the B-17. They calculated and built the volume of exhaust gases to fill the internal volume of the B-17. If I remember correctly, the first test flight in combat yielded an impressive number of air to air kills. This was late in the war and the production facilities for these unguided rockets was accidentally and completely destroyed. Not a sustained weapon, but a first gen air to air weapon.
The Python5 from Israel is over the shoulder
Tomcat would still win, lol