Straight White Male Listens to Taylor Swift's Debut Album - REACTION

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  • @shawn210_
    @shawn210_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +338

    TIMESTAMPS 🩵💚
    Tim McGraw 7:21
    Picture To Burn 14:54
    Teardrops on My Guitar 21:01
    A Place in This World 26:37
    Cold As You 33:24
    The Outside 43:00
    Tied Together With A Smile 49:13
    Stay Beautiful 57:43
    Should’ve Said No 1:07:10
    Mary’s Song (Oh My My My) 1:16:32
    Our Song 1:27:09
    I’m Only Me When I’m With You 1:34:02
    Invisible 1:43:10
    A Perfectly Good Heart 1:50:53
    Teardrops On My Guitar (Pop Ver.) 1:58:29
    Just to save you time 🩵💚

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

      You're a saint. Everyone give Shawn love and say thank you. NOW.

    • @GrenoGuy
      @GrenoGuy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Shawn you’re a W

    • @GrinningLikeaDelicateJamesDean
      @GrinningLikeaDelicateJamesDean 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I hope both sides of your pillow remain cool enough for you :)

    • @shawn210_
      @shawn210_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@GrinningLikeaDelicateJamesDeanThank you 🙏🏽

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thank you, Shawn !

  • @makenzycottrell
    @makenzycottrell 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +175

    “My daddy’s gonna show you how sorry you’ll be” always cracks me up seeing how Scott hands out friendship bracelets at concerts and such. I just love it

    • @srslycris
      @srslycris 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Yeah, but you know Scott Swift would throw hands if he needed to :)

    • @makenzycottrell
      @makenzycottrell 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@srslycris oh 100%, just hard to imagine somebody being idiot enough to provoke him

    • @gwen_gwanda15
      @gwen_gwanda15 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@srslycris actually not long ago im pretty sure he punched a paparazzi for getting too close to taylor

  • @r1tw1k
    @r1tw1k 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +190

    honestly, the quality of the opening lyrics to tim mcgraw debuting a 16 year old's career is crazy

    • @JRay.R
      @JRay.R 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Not to mention the brilliant marketing move of naming your debut single after an already very well established and respected artist in your genre.

    • @Mar1293
      @Mar1293 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JRay.Rexactly lol. It bugs me people don’t get this. She clearly used Tim’s name to get ahead. Can’t knock the kid cuz it’s a clever move but let’s call a spade a spade.

  • @coryharbour57
    @coryharbour57 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    I know the album might not seem groundbreaking but symbolically it was (well, it and her next album Fearless). At the time, country music was seen as a primarily adult and male focused genre in which it was common that songwriters behind the scenes wrote for the famous singer. So not only was a teenage girl the singer but one who was the primary songwriter on all her songs about her teenage life AND played instruments was very unique. I think that’s why she influenced an entire generation of younger singer-songwriters who are coming into their own now and topping the charts themselves! As an elder swiftie who is a MASSIVE Beatles fan too, it’s been really fun watching the progression of the last 18 years with Taylor!!

  • @Starbuck-dr7yl
    @Starbuck-dr7yl 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +247

    A lot of these were written when she was 13-15 yrs old. I too hadn’t listened to her & i was tired of not understanding her appeal. So my journey began during Covid. I learned woodworking & Taylor Swift.
    She wrote Our Song for her 9th grade talent show. It became her first country #1 song.

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      Woodworking and Taylor Swift is really quite the hustle

    • @ZoeyPaigeLunaPhD
      @ZoeyPaigeLunaPhD 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      @@JerryBeesFYI, The Outside was actually written at 12
      She lost her whole friend group for for being a country singing “loser” 😂

  • @Ricky48888
    @Ricky48888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +559

    People should get over that private jet thing. She is not even in the top 10 of the biggest polluters. I am a 53 year old straight white male and loved her music from the beginning. People should get over themselves and appreciate Taylor’s genius songwriting and storytelling.

    • @samyakanand112
      @samyakanand112 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

      heck she's not even in the top 30, ppl just want to find reasons to hate her while other celebrities do the same.

    • @erikahutchcraft1742
      @erikahutchcraft1742 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      And she’s on a world tour, what they want her to do, drive a polluting series of busses?

    • @andrewjenkinson7052
      @andrewjenkinson7052 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Taylor is compared with "the Average American", most do not fly, even fewer fly abroad. She also paid double estimated carbon offset in advance for the Eras Tour. Her plane can carry 12 so again that is a distortion. I am amazed most people do not logically question so-called facts they hear.

    • @awoosh13
      @awoosh13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      I think it's so interesting the arguments people will take. I think it mainly is because they want a reason to hate her for being so successful, but they don't have much ammo. They cling onto what they can. This is exactly how her rep for being "boyfriend crazy and writing about exes" came around. In the late 2000s to mid-2010s, tabloids loved to talk about you cuz of the clicks. But she didn't do anything crazy. There was no sex tape leak, no crazy club outings, no drinking/drugs. So they latched onto what they could to drive traffic to their news.

    • @debrawalkermeyer9109
      @debrawalkermeyer9109 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ⁠@@andrewjenkinson7052 Yes, I have found even a lot of her fans don’t realize she purchases carbon offset credits to help pay for the economic impact her jets create. $1.4 million one recent year is what I heard.

  • @Mary-ks2kc
    @Mary-ks2kc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +142

    At the time as a country fan and girl a little bit younger than Taylor this did feel groundbreaking though, along with her second album. Country’s main demo was like moms in their 30s. There wasn’t young women especially teenage girls making country music and they definitely weren’t writing their own songs and promoting them on MySpace who said things in her songs the way we would’ve said them, it wasn’t middle aged songwriters on music row writing for a teen.

    • @ichokedonadoritoonce7670
      @ichokedonadoritoonce7670 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly i think this is lost on the reactor..he does not know the context of these albums or the lyricism..which is almost quintessential for a Taylor Swift listening experience.Her songwriting genius is really underrated too..I've realised as I listen to other artists cover her music

  • @cristalsanchez9915
    @cristalsanchez9915 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

    mary’s songs is not about taylor it’s about her neighbour’s who told her the story about how they had been together since they were kids and so taylor’s wrote a song about their love

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Lmao she starts the song with “she said, we…” 😭 even as a kid, I knew this was a story about someone else just from that lmao

    • @bunnymoon9130
      @bunnymoon9130 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      it’s kinda cute how the 87, 89 line suddenly became so special lately iykyk😅

    • @zhangeric4492
      @zhangeric4492 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SusanAnnanyes and he’s not reading it at all….

  • @allmywhatifs
    @allmywhatifs 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Last year when she performed it Taylor agreed with you that Cold As You is the best song on her self titled.

    • @allmywhatifs
      @allmywhatifs 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      also within the fandom A Perfectly Good Heart is pretty consistently right at the bottom of peoples rankings of her whole discography, it probably has the least lyrics out of everything she's put out

  • @cristalsanchez9915
    @cristalsanchez9915 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    half of those song were written at the age of 12,13

  • @JRay.R
    @JRay.R 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Ok so can I just say… I cannot wait (but I’m willing to wait any amount of time lol) to hear her sing all these songs with her big girl voice lol.

    • @inesrevertergonzalez
      @inesrevertergonzalez หลายเดือนก่อน

      i’m actually more excited for debut taylor’s version than rep tv lmao i think people will appreciate it more from that moment and actually listen to it on a daily basis… and i’m also really curious about how the marketing and the visuals for it are going to be like idk maybe it’s just me

  • @Bloodmoonwitch13
    @Bloodmoonwitch13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    She is from Redding PA
    SHE GREW UP ON A CHRISTMAS TREE FARM SHE IS NOT A NEPO BABY

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      People love to throw that term around lmao. Like, she worked her butt off to get to where she is. She had supportive parents, but they were not famous lmao. She got rejected by labels a bunch of times before getting signed.

    • @emilyisable
      @emilyisable 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Totally. Nepotism and just the beautiful privilege of having parents who believe in you are not the same thing. Her dad had resources but lots of parents do the stage mom thing and it goes nowhere cause they don’t have a national poetry winner with this kind of ambition and a face card. Let’s just enjoy and not knee jerk detract.

  • @Willowswispss
    @Willowswispss 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    So Mary’s song is about her neighbours, such a sweet song.

  • @gaylenwoof
    @gaylenwoof 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I'm a 66yo straight white guy with wide-ranging tastes in music. I discovered Taylor about 2 years ago. At that time, my fave was Metallica. Over the following couple of month I listened to her entire discography. Then I watched all of her movies and tons of interviews. In other words, I became a swiftie. It was her folklore/evermore albums that made me into a swiftie, but I like all of her albums. (BTW: The best way to experience the folklore album is by watching "The Long Pond Sessions" movie on Netflix.
    Her latest album, TTPD has become not just my fave TS album, but my fave album of all time. Since April 19th, I've been listening to it every day. I'm totally addicted.
    BTW: Taylor is a master of visual media and is amazing as a live performer so I strongly suggest watching some of her music videos and live performance movies and videos.

  • @ZoeyPaigeLunaPhD
    @ZoeyPaigeLunaPhD 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    She doesn’t have as many radio bangers any more because, quite frankly, the last four albums just aren’t very mainstream. She’s gone more serious/dark and in my opinion, substantive
    She’s completely album focused like a 70s artist in the 2020s so far

  • @colt.dy12
    @colt.dy12 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    watch out for the track 5's of each album! Cold As You was just the beginning.
    (Basically, a TS track 5 is described as the heart of the album. It's where she's most vulnerable and emotional. She goes all out on the pen game.)

  • @vitorialima8399
    @vitorialima8399 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I'm Brazilian, and Taylor Swift is the only artist that I still love for the longest time, I remember being 8 years old and listening to "Our Song" for the first time, I didn't understood a single word of English, but her songs made me so happy that my family saved up some money to enrolled me in English classes, I took English classes for 2 years. I'm now 25, and I wouldn't say that I'm fluent in English now, but I have a large vocabulary thanks to Taylor Swift. Like I was able to learn "Sanctimoniously performing soliloquies I'll never see", I can't even say that in Portuguese without stuttering 😂😂😂😂

  • @user-to2sc3cm6m
    @user-to2sc3cm6m 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    You said the way my blue eyes shined put those georgia starts to shame that night I said that's a lie is singularly one of the best opening lines for any album ever. Immediately understand who this person is and what the album is about. Long live debut

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I've always had this belief that there's a lot to be said about the first song and the first album for any artist or band. Sometimes it's a missed opportunity. Other times, whether the artist or band realizes it, it's a perfect introduction to the rest of their work. Good examples in classic rock would be
      Good Times Roll by the Cars or Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath. I'm curious to see if Tim McGraw holds up in the same way for me once I've listened to all the Taylor there is to listen to.

    • @user-to2sc3cm6m
      @user-to2sc3cm6m 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@JerryBees Would say it does and doesn't. Very few artists have the early start or longevity of career and prolific output Taylor Swift has had. I saw her for the first--and only --time live when she was 16 and opening for brad paisley (one of two opening acts). I was her same age basically. I've literally grown up with her and her hs girl thesis was mine. And so on and so forth... at each stage of life. I don't think she's changed a ton. But I think there's growth in her that comes through in her music for sure.

  • @underdog138
    @underdog138 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    I'm a straight white guy in my 40s and Taylor is my favorite artist. There are *dozens* of us. I thought this album was incredible when it first came out considering the absolute state of country music in the 2000s. You bet your straight white ass the clickbait title got me to watch this. I'm looking forward to watching your reactions to her discography. It's like listening to it for the first time all over again. Good luck!

    • @krk.1999
      @krk.1999 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Lmao "dozens" made me chuckle, but she's my straight brother's fav artist too! So far this year, he even has more listening minutes than me. He's been to the eras tour twice with two full arms of friendship bracelets and is sometimes more passionate when defending her on certain things than me. It's one of my life's greatest accomplishments.

    • @Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos
      @Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Dozens is a disservice to your kind 😂 there r thousands of straight men who enjoy Taylor's music around the world.

    • @emilyisable
      @emilyisable 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He’s making a Arrested Development reference. Dozens. But it’s fine. Everything’s fine.

    • @mythicallegendxoxo2715
      @mythicallegendxoxo2715 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      dozens💀

    • @ichokedonadoritoonce7670
      @ichokedonadoritoonce7670 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I love this❤

  • @k33l4n
    @k33l4n 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Can’t wait for the rest of her discog! Especially 1989 and Rep

  • @SusanAnnan
    @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Tied Together With A Smile is about her friends battle with eating disorder, not really about a boy.

  • @Ricky48888
    @Ricky48888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    You will find and amazed that she has a lot more bars going forward. More and more rappers are reacting to Taylor and being amazed by her writing and her bars.

  • @Mravenrocks
    @Mravenrocks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    As a straight while male swifty since 2007, we exist, I really like this kind of content. I really enjoyed the classic rock video, that's my kind of music.
    I also wanted to say that while there are a lot of legitimate criticism of her music, being unrelatable isn't one.

  • @linneathunberg6459
    @linneathunberg6459 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    marys song is about a couple that were her neighbors, they told their story to her, and she wrote a song about it :)

  • @mariajulya6575
    @mariajulya6575 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Track 5 is usually the saddest song on the album. This started as a coincidence until she and the fans noticed, and now she always consciously chooses which one it will be 😊

    • @MasterRahl221
      @MasterRahl221 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I would say track 5 is the most vulnerable, not necessarily the saddest.

  • @mariajulya6575
    @mariajulya6575 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Tied Together with a Smile was written about and for a friend of hers who was going through an eating discorrer

  • @Nienke131
    @Nienke131 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    How is Should’ve Said No such a confusing song to you?! It’s the most obvious “you cheated on me and you shouldn’t have if you really wanted me”-song to ever exist.

    • @TheMJandTSMusicChannel
      @TheMJandTSMusicChannel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I thought it was so obvious too

    • @mariahhkate
      @mariahhkate 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ya I think he missed the line “you should’ve known that word bout what you did with her would get back to me”

  • @AndromacheNY
    @AndromacheNY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You should be thinking of this as the work product of a 13-16 year old. She didn't write all this stuff in the year she put the album out. This has older songs she wrote. She wasn't developing her work full-time with producers at this point, either. She was still going to school while writing & recording her album. She's not only grown, experienced life, & learned a lot, but she's also got the money, control, & time to write & produce her songs exactly the way she wants to. She doesn't have to spend hours literally driving around to all the Nashville radio stations with homemade cookies asking them to play her song on the radio. She doesn't need radio really at all now, but back at album 1 she was just trying to get anyone to give her a chance. Naming her first single after a huge country star was one of her first truly brilliant business moves. Instant curiosity & name recognition built into the title of a song by a totally unknown kid. Genius.

  • @SusanAnnan
    @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    She wrote, “I’m Only Me When I’m With You” about her childhood friends. You should check out her music video to it. It’s all pictures/ videos of Taylor with her middle school & high school friends and family.

  • @coryharbour57
    @coryharbour57 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I’m Taylor’s age and this is the first song I ever heard of hers. I was a junior in high school in 2007 and hadn’t really listened to country music in years. I was more into the pop-punk scene. But a younger student sang this at our school talent show and the songwriting stuck with me so intensely that I went home and found it on LimeWire or whatever I was using then. I’ve been a dedicated fan ever since.

  • @Ricky48888
    @Ricky48888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    The outside is about her being bullied in middle school and wrote it at 13.

    • @linneathunberg6459
      @linneathunberg6459 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      my favorite on this album

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      12 actually!
      & yeah, I think she said they called her a “country loving loser” or something along those lines 😭

    • @Ricky48888
      @Ricky48888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SusanAnnan 12 or 13 doesn't matter.

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ricky48888 yes it does lmao. pre-teen vs teen

    • @Ricky48888
      @Ricky48888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SusanAnnan just go away

  • @underdog138
    @underdog138 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Also since I haven't seen anyone else say it, the problematic lyric is from Picture to Burn. She says "That's fine, I'll tell mine you're gay" instead of "That's fine, you won't mind if I say". It's saying "if you're gonna tell your friends I'm crazy so boys won't want to go out with me, I'll tell my friends you're gay so girls won't want to go out with you." That said, weaponinzing people's sexuality to attack someone else (even without intending to be homophobic) is still bad, which is why she took it out.

  • @darren4664
    @darren4664 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Oy!!! I’m a Swiftie and Debut reactions are tough to get through. Congrats…and I hope you continue…they make a pretty big leap going forward and continue to change through her career. Also, I just got to the part where you realized you weren’t recording. I was surprised…looks fine…but I’m not an AV nerd.

  • @selma8184
    @selma8184 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i absolutely loved this reaction but i've never seen anyone struggle so much to understand a song as straight forward as "should've said no" 😭😭

  • @anfilias
    @anfilias 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    The thing with "Taylor Swift" is that at the time there was no country for teenagers or, even more specifically, for teenage girls. That's why she was turned away by so many record labels. It simply was not a target demographic for country and they didn't want to try it.
    Thank you for listening with an open mind and respect. I've been listening to her regularly since 2021 and I'll never look back. But you will have a hard time with her body of work if you don't like songs about people that made her feel things Hahah Since she writes 97% about her life and that's mostly it.
    Albums 2 through 5 already have Taylor's Versions. You should hold out to reputation TV; OR if you get to it before it TV comes out, you should later listen to the From The Vault songs (in the re-recordings she adds the songs that did not make the cut in the original releases for whatever reasons).
    Have a fun Taylor Swift journey ^.^ everything you liked in this album will only multiply through the albums :D

  • @liammcfarlane13
    @liammcfarlane13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Mary’s Song is written about the neighbour who would babysit Taylor when she was younger, she would always tell stories about when she and her husband grew up

  • @MichelleLyn84
    @MichelleLyn84 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Something I think people don’t appreciate about her is that when she was that age, this shows her age and that’s wonderful. She doesn’t age too fast like a lot of music artists do. She stays at her age and lets it play out. But her writing is so good for her age that she just doesn’t get enough credit for it. When I was her age there’s no way I could write any of that lol

  • @aricmcd93
    @aricmcd93 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Taylor has said that Cold As You is her favorite song on this album! Gotta love a track five.

  • @ericakate
    @ericakate 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this is what made me become a fan she (i was 5 when this came out lmao) then lost me during 1989 unfortunately. but it has to be said that she has SO much versatility and something for everyone which in my opinion is so respectable

  • @vitorialima8399
    @vitorialima8399 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm Brazilian, and Taylor Swift is the only artist that I still love for the longest time, I remember being 8 years old and listening to "Our Song" for the first time, I didn't understood a single word of English, but her songs made me so happy that my family saved up some money to enrolled me in English classes, I took English classes for 2 years. I'm now 25, and I wouldn't say that I'm fluent in English now, but I have a large vocabulary thanks to Taylor Swift. Like I was able to learn "Saintomonio

    • @tiagoo_____2428
      @tiagoo_____2428 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      brasil in the houseee

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Die hard Swiftie and SO HERE for all your live reactions. Personally, LOVE that they’re unedited. Way more fun to listen to. “Teenage country perfect” is a great description. Drew was one of her first boyfriends. He left for college and she was heartbroken.

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Good to know who Drew is now, but I'm going to continue to think that it's Drew Carey if that's okay

    • @elizajoisreading
      @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JerryBees I support this choice wholeheartedly.

    • @snoko2
      @snoko2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      There are acutally two Drews to make it more complicated haha. Tim McGraw and Our song were written about her boyfriend Drew, teardrops on my guitar is written about another Drew that she had a crush on, but they were never together.

    • @elizajoisreading
      @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@snoko2 🔥🔥🔥

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@snoko2 so there's a non-zero chance it was actually Drew Carey???

  • @crystalkadletc1944
    @crystalkadletc1944 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Small fun fact the accent wasn’t fake. She was living in Nashville and picked up a country twang, it wasn’t thick and when she left Nashville it faded away
    Also just for fun: the first album I ever received was the California Dream soundtrack ( the show- it was like Saved by the bell, but they were singers in a beach club) I loved that CD. The first album J bought was Madonna - Erotica ( I was 13) - something I loved about my parents was they didn’t monitor the music I listened to. It was very inappropriate for a 13 year old but I love that CD still to this day. Peak Madonna

    • @hannahlong1688
      @hannahlong1688 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It wasn’t fake but it was definitely forced a little. It was apparently something her management told her to do so it’d sound more country.

  • @SamanthaScreem
    @SamanthaScreem 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Fun fact Taylor had Coheed and Cambria on her iPod when she was 18. There was some interview she did at that time asking her about all the music she listened to and they were on there

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Fun fact! I love coheed.

  • @Tal_reputation
    @Tal_reputation 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    As an OG and an elder fan (i'm 34 y.o.. so same age as Taylor) thank you. at the very least, thank you for trying and being open-minded to Taylor's music. even if you do it all for clickbait or. still, thanks! because you took the time to at least try and see it beyond surface level. as an OG swiftie, I am looking forward to all your other Taylor reactions, but mostly to her later albums (folklore and reputation) cause they're my favorites. and btw, all swifties have least favorite songs from each album. it's not like all the fans love every song from every album.. most swifties don't like A Perfectly Good Heart and a couple more songs. we may be a cult haha. but we have our favorites and least favorites songs. and swifties always argue in between themselves about what songs are bad and what not. most swifties hate the song ME! (from 2019) and think Taylor made a mistake creating this song.
    As she grew and released more albums, the songs and the albums themselves got more mature. as her career developed so did her music..

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I'm earnestly open-minded on exploring the rest of her discography. The click bait is just the funny cherry on top to me lol. Hopefully you'll be along for the ride!

    • @theresebell1198
      @theresebell1198 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Only the snobby Swifties hate Me. I love it!

    • @Tal_reputation
      @Tal_reputation 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JerryBees I'm still watching but yeah. It's fun. It's fun to watch a non fan listening to an artist you love. As long as they're respectful. Like, we all have different taste in music. But I don't like if people who just shitting on everything. There nuance. Thank you again! Looking forward to your Taylor journey 😊

    • @Tal_reputation
      @Tal_reputation 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@theresebell1198good for you. Genuinely. That song is not for me. I love a lot of her fun songs, but to me, ME! is a kidz bop song. Thats the level. You can totally make a fun, dance around song but that wasn't it. For me at least. Everyone who enjoy, more power to you.

    • @Tal_reputation
      @Tal_reputation 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JerryBeesBTW, if your file was big to upload to TH-cam, there's a very popular software called "handbrake" and you use to compress file sizes. I use it all the time to compress video files because they're too big.

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    And re: Our Song: asking God to play it again if the song is “the music of our life”, it’s also asking God if you can live all the greatest moments of your life with this person ALL OVER AGAIN. We call this a “glitter pen song.”

  • @albertoaurejr.8314
    @albertoaurejr.8314 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    excited to be on this T Swift journey with you! 🥰

  • @AnjeannetteMarie
    @AnjeannetteMarie 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    New sub for ur TS journey. I’m 57 years & have loved her since 2006. My 2 favorite artists are Taylor Swift & Eminem, both incredible lyricists and story tellers, both are hilarious, both are authentic, both changed the game, both are genuinely good people 🤘🫶

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Em and Taylor is wild as a pair. All for it lol.

    • @AnjeannetteMarie
      @AnjeannetteMarie 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JerryBeesshe’s got bars, just wait 🤘

    • @meaganjohnson5842
      @meaganjohnson5842 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Eminem and taylor swift are also my top 2 artists. ❤

  • @matthew_swifite
    @matthew_swifite 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love that u start at the beginning and not what is popular where new swift reactiors usually start. Appreciate it.

  • @TheTorturedSwift13
    @TheTorturedSwift13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Ohhh, I'm a straight white male who loves all of Taylor's discography

  • @SusanAnnan
    @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ugh yessss 🤠🦋
    Debut was released when she was 16, but she wrote the album between the ages of 12-15. Her legacy in country music is insane. She really brought in all the young listeners with her songs & promotion (she promoted her songs on myspace lol). Back then it was 40+ southern women and men that listened to country & was deemed as a “dying genre.”

  • @tehejustintehe
    @tehejustintehe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    omg for once a straight a white man actually choosing to listen to taylor swift 😭

    • @eltonfan62
      @eltonfan62 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Where you been? In the woods?62 male here.

    • @nimy9238
      @nimy9238 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Girl they all do it nowadays it’s just a way to build their channel and have more followers cause they know swifties will watch anything about her

    • @taylorsversion5868
      @taylorsversion5868 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@eltonfan62we appreciate everyone🫡🤍🔥

    • @tehejustintehe
      @tehejustintehe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eltonfan62 oh its cause i rarely ever find like straight male swifties 😭

  • @Bloodmoonwitch13
    @Bloodmoonwitch13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Once you are done with the albums please CHECK OUT HER LIVE PERFORMANCES
    HER STAGE PRESENCE IS IMMACULATE

  • @snoko2
    @snoko2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    In case you are still interested in some of the taylor swift lore, I tried to write it down as clear as possible, but English isn't my first languague so I'm sure there are a lot of spelling and grammar mistakes.
    Tim McGraw: This song is about Taylors high school boyfriend who was leaving for college, she hopes he will not forget the time they spend together. The Tim McGraw song that she describes as her favourite song is Can't tell me nothin.
    Picture to burn: This is about a guy who went out with Taylor but later on starting dating one of her friends, she didn't like it how he seemed to treat her better than she was treated.
    Teardrops on my guitar: This is about a crush taylor had on one of her close friends in high school. Drew enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame by going on the internet and telling everybody he was the drew taylor swift wrote about. He ended up in jail for childabuse in 2015.
    A place in this world: 13 year old Taylor wrote this song about growing up and finding who you are.
    Cold as you: is about a guy who was kinda stringing her along, she would always stand up for him, but later she realized he just wasn't worth it.
    The outside: This is written by 12 year old Taylor who didn't fit in at school, she didn't have any friends and felt very different from her classmates. She really wanted to fit in but didn't know how and wished people would give her a chance.
    Tied together with a smile: is about a girl who seemed perfect, she did beauty pageants and everyone loved her, but turns out she had an eating disorder and was struggling on the inside.
    Stay beautiful: Is about a guy in school that everyone was just in awe of but he didn't really seem te notice how popular he was. Just the kind of person that seems beautiful in every way, Taylor didn't know him very well but he captivated her in a way she wanted to write about.
    Should've said no: is about her highschool boyfriend Sam who cheated on her. The song describes how he could've avoided this whole mess if he just said no to the other girl. And that if he had thought about her and the consequences of his actions for even a second he wouldn't have done this.
    Mary's song (oh my my my): Is about Taylors elderly neighbours and their love story, Taylor really admired the love they had together.
    Our song: She originally wrote this for a talent show in high school, it's simply a fun love song she wrote about her relationship at the time and how they didn't 'have a song' together.
    I'm only me when I'm with you: Even though this song is disguised as a love song (just a small town boy and girl) it's actually written for her best friend Abigail who she's known since highschool and is still one of her best friends today.
    Invisible: is about the feeling you can get when you truly care for someone but they don't even seem to notice you. All the while they are having the same feeling about someone else who doesn't notice them. When we are obsessing over someone we often can't see the people in our lives who really do care about us.
    a pefectly good heart: This song describes someones first heartbreak. Before this incident happened you felt innocent and carefree and now you can never be that same person again. The type of heartbreak isn't specified. It could be a romantic heartbreak, but also the rejection of friends or family.
    Quality wise this is probably Taylor's 'worst' album, however as someone who listened to this album on repeat in my early teen years this is very nostalgic and I bawled my eyes out going through all these same things Taylor went through.

  • @ryujinfallstreak3779
    @ryujinfallstreak3779 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m so excited to see you go through the albums in order, I love watching reactions to Taylor albums but I have yet to see someone do it in order and just seeing her growth and changes through the albums chronologically has me excited!!!

    • @Lyliana1277
      @Lyliana1277 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jim Games is another TH-camr that has done this

  • @janelling6456
    @janelling6456 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm an older Taylor fan. Born and raised in the South so I most certainly have an accent. I despise when people try to fake a Southern Accent, I can clock it miles away. BUT.... Taylor's "country/southern accent has never felt forced or sounded fake. For me, it sounds like someone who has spent a lot of time in the South and picked up on a bit of dialect and it leaks out. Add that to banjos and you have early T Swift.

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I definitely found her southern accent in this record to be one of admiration for the dialect instead of for the blatant effect. The banjos go hard tho

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same! She moved to Nashville at age of 13, so it makes sense that she picked up on the dialogue.
      Heck, I went to Ontario, Canada for 3 months and came back with a slight accent lol
      It just happens.

    • @LeCia4Mom
      @LeCia4Mom 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree to this...and when she visits, she picks it up for a sec.. lol. It's impossible not to. Hate that...! Lol 😅

  • @cristianpascual5843
    @cristianpascual5843 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Omg I hope you enjoy the swiftie journey! I loved your comments during the reaction 😂
    The first two albums may seem at first glance tiring and a bit pointless, but be aware that the songs mature as you go along, T Swift albums are like a book that It gets better the closer you get to the end.
    Greetings from Brazil🇧🇷❤️

  • @TheNraveles
    @TheNraveles 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    “wait there’s some tea here ladies and gentlemen” THIS IS SENDING MEEEE
    I’m genuinely very excited to see your reaction to the rest of her albums:

  • @saratemp790
    @saratemp790 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Also the beginning guitar in Tim McGraw is so sweet, and also the violins, it's one of the sweetest songs. The first time I heard that song, I was floored.

  • @carol-ina.
    @carol-ina. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Just subscribed! Fearless (TV) has 26 songs so you might want to split it in two live streams so it doesn’t get too long. The og album last track was "Change" then there is the deluxe tracks she realeased back then + the vault songs (unreleased prior to the rerecording). If you do it this way it would be 13 and 13. Just a suggestion, ofc, long videos don’t stop swifties from watching Taylor content!

  • @eunicefayesaguindan850
    @eunicefayesaguindan850 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dude, you’re giving me a radio DJ vibes… i don’t know! but i’ll listen to you all day! Bring back radio! But really, I’m here to understand the TS craze. I’m from the Philippines and this woman has an army ready to kill! 😂

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    “Teardrops on My Guitar” and “Our Song” were the free singles from iTunes the week they came out. Loved her ever since.

  • @laramariottii
    @laramariottii 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oh I wish I would’ve been here during the livestream! Looking forward to the Fearless TV live reaction! ❤

  • @Lyliana1277
    @Lyliana1277 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve listened as a casual fan since Debut, but really sat down to listen to everything when Midnights came out. Happy to watch someone else’s Taylor journey!

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Okay, final album thoughts before I stop spamming you: 1) If this was the only Taylor album, we wouldn’t still be talking about her. But what makes it cool, as a fan since the beginning, is to hear those little lyrical and melodic hooks she’s perfected in the 10 studio albums since (plus re-records). 2) And as someone who really appreciates her layering of metaphor, it’s fun to hear the very early hints that that’s coming. 3) I can’t imagine having the thing you made in high school be public enough that people are still listening to it and evaluating. Pretty impressive.
    I am STOKED to hear you react to Fearless, Speak Now, etc. I love every album for a different set of reasons and it’ll be fun to hear what you get out of those listens.

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    He should have said no to cheating. He couldn’t turn down the offer from another girl.

  • @lisasaidso_
    @lisasaidso_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Loved the video!! You taking till the end of the song to figure out what Should’ve said no is about killed me tho lol

  • @kellyrench8173
    @kellyrench8173 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Subscribed! Thoroughly enjoyed this reaction 😂👏🏼 humor is top notch and the third eye blind reference at the beginning was both unexpected and appreciated as a ‘uuuge 3EB fan 🪬….and how I’ve never caught the similarity between the Semi-Charmed Life intro and Picture to Burn is quite frankly deplorable, but now that you pointed it out, I won’t ever be able to unhear it and I’m totally okay with that. Great reaction and looking forward to more!! 😊

  • @summerlynndavid6811
    @summerlynndavid6811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This album always amazes me, the fact that she was between 14-15 years old writing these songs is mind boggling.
    For a 16 year old this debut is fantastic! And she’s only managed to get better as the years have gone on.

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    “Whereas the song is the music of our life.” *50,000,000 Swiftie points. 🔥

  • @angeljaceherondale
    @angeljaceherondale 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Mary's Song is literally a "song for Mary" Mary being her elderly neighbor who told her her love story with her husband, so she wrote a song about it for her.

  • @rebeccafindlay9068
    @rebeccafindlay9068 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Watching you react to should have said no was painful to say the least 😅 you got there in the end. Personally, I think it’s obvious from the beginning 😅

  • @DannyViTaylor
    @DannyViTaylor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    a deepdive on a few of these songs from a swiftie since 2006:
    Tim Mcgraw: this song was written in her high school math class about her boyfriend she had when she was a freshman, he was a senior (yikes) and he was moving away so they decided to break up
    Picture To Burn: this did have the line "ill tell my [friends] you're gay" and an unreleased version of the song also has the line "my wifebeater wearing daddy and his new automatic's gonna show you how sorry youll be"
    Teardrops On My Guitar: this was her first song to go #1 on the billboard top 10, about drew hardwick, a guy that sat nest to her in class and he would talk to her about his girlfriend, fast forward many years later and drew is arrested for child abuse
    A Place In This World: this song is about her "radio tour" in nashville going from radio station to radio station in an attempt to get them to play her songs in pursuit to get herself a record deal. to reference what you were saying at 30:42 she would play the guitar until her fingers started to bleed
    The Outside: taylor wrote this song at 12 years old, its about a group of people she wanted to be friends with but they never gave her the time of day. one time she said that she would sit next to them at lunch and they would all get up and leave
    Tied Together With A Smile: this song was written about a friend who was suffering from bulimia
    Should've Said No: this song is about a guy that cheated on her, in the fearless tour she would open the song with "this song is about a guy who cheated on me and probably shouldn't have, because I write songs"
    Mary's Song: as some people have already mentioned, this song is about her neighbors and their love story
    Our Song: she wrote this song for her 8th grade talent show, its about the same guy that Tim Mcgraw is written about
    I'm Only Me When I'm With You: this song is written about her family and friends

  • @shmamycakes
    @shmamycakes 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Taylor was born in PA, on a Xmas Tree Farm, but they moved to Nashville, TN for Taylor to give her best shot at a recording. I want to say she was 12, but I have so much Taylor in my head it may have been after she was 12.

  • @mariajulya6575
    @mariajulya6575 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Whenever you’re listening to other albums, it’s interesting to pay attention to which songs are part of the original album and which are from the deluxe version, because some of them are deluxe for a reason. 😅 Also, remember that the 'From the Vault' tracks weren’t part of the original album and are just extras. Loved the reaction!!

  • @Turnermama
    @Turnermama 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    New subscriber here for your TS rabbithole ❤ it's a 17 year journey we've all grown with her. I'm 60 and started when my teenage daughter introduced me to TS, she is now 36 (Taylor is 34). Now my granddaughter is discovering Taylor. Taylor is a multi-generational artist ❤

  • @peytonmcendree7892
    @peytonmcendree7892 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Picture to burn is the song where she said that! The original lyric was “so go and tell your friends that I’m obsessive and crazy, that’s fine, I’ll tell mine you’re gay”. She shortly after changed the lyrics and hasn’t used that one since. The only time she ever changed a lyric aside from that was in better than revenge Taylor’s version. In the original, the chorus goes “she’s not a saint and she’s not what you think, she’s an actress, she’s better known for the things that she does on the mattress” she since has realized how sIut-shamey the lyric was and changed it to “he was a moth to the flame, she was holding the matches”. A good amount of swifties were upset by the lyric changes but personally it shows me she’s growing as a person and isn’t okay with that same shitty mindset that she may have had on certain topics at a young age. It shows maturity🫶

  • @headofema
    @headofema 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    excited to watch along as you get to hear her other albums :)

  • @ichokedonadoritoonce7670
    @ichokedonadoritoonce7670 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just love the serendipity of the symbolism in Mary's song especially the numbers "87" and "89" ..a quirky fateful nod to Travis and Taylor's relationship rn

  • @janvipatel13
    @janvipatel13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You NEED to check out the music videos for this album...they hit different!!

  • @cheezyb92
    @cheezyb92 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can't remember exactly what I was doing but I remember being in the car with my mom on June 19th 2006 and hearing Tim McGraw on the radio for the very first time.
    I've been a Swiftie ever since.

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Thanks so much for making this. And please don’t feel the need to script or edit these reactions - they’re so much more satisfying unfiltered and I avoid reactors who overproduce.

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Thanks for all the feedback! I still might edit this live down just so the reaction isn't a whole TWO HOURS long but I can assure you that my reactions will continue to be genuine

  • @saraa7841
    @saraa7841 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m actually so exited to hear how Taylor does Debut album for TV…. It can’t be this Country Sounding… this is gonna be the most wild ‘re-record’ with the sound of her voice… I’m gonna miss 16yo Tay’s voicee

  • @PixieSugar1991
    @PixieSugar1991 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As an OG swiftie who’s only a year younger than her it’s nostalgic, listening back to these songs. Because we were around the same age there’s a lot of these feelings that I had at the same time. Because we are also around the same age, my feelings grew at the same time that she did and we matured almost at the same rate. So it almost felt like I was growing up with Taylor. Yes I understand that we had different experiences. And yes, I understand that she went through things that I will never go through. Listening to her music was like opening up my diary and someone made a song about it. It made me feel like I wasn’t alone. Watching you re-listening to this music and seeing it through the eyes of someone who would be 16 is also amazing. The amount of people who listen to her music now from this album andExpecting it to be like her later albums really annoy me. This was her first album she wrote a lot of these songs when she was 13 to 16. Many of them while she was in high school. I am looking forward to checking out the rest of your content. You have earned yourself a subscriber.

  • @saraa7841
    @saraa7841 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go by album!! I love when new reactors go by the official releases because I feel like that’s how you see the artists growth the best. Some go crisscross and I’m like “but you don’t get the actual music growth. Although the voice will just switch to 20’s Taylor because she re-recorded😂
    For the albums from ‘Lover’ on there won’t be Taylor’s Versions, is because she already owns those albums.
    Enjoy this Journey, remember she has grown up a lot over the years and all her albums are kinda different versions of her with new life lessons or views on the world😊❤️
    (Also 23hours?? I’m so early to this series, that’s so exiting to me!)

  • @jacobvommaro7937
    @jacobvommaro7937 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Some of these songs like "Picture to Burn", "Teardrops On My Guitar", and "Our Song" are good and iconic because of how young she is, but as you progress throughout her albums, you see how she has developed into one of the best songwriters ever and making these great albums.

  • @agustinazar
    @agustinazar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OMG I LOVE THIS REACTION!! I CAN'T WIAT FOR THE OTHERS ALBUMS

  • @shmamycakes
    @shmamycakes 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Important to know, especially after your "tasteful banjo" comment. Taylor writes all of her music, since she was 12'ish; and plays the guitar, piano, banjo, ukulele, and a little bit of drums. Nowadays, she is also producing and directing most of her music videos.

  • @FC-qb9wp
    @FC-qb9wp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even though these songs where composed by a 13-15 teenager, still great, very wise beyond her years. There's full grown up artists today that they would never have a song like Tim McGraw or Tear drops on my guitars.

  • @virgo_things
    @virgo_things 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Perfectly good heart was definitely penned before songs like I look through peoples windows, and it's nice to have a friend. Which are perfect at just like 2 minutes 😂

  • @jenin7537
    @jenin7537 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lately i really love to listen to debut taylor..it brings back the time "picture to burn"is always in the radio.. love it.
    Good job...😊

  • @dopamine_fiend
    @dopamine_fiend 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Taylor wrote this about her elderly neighbours who told her about their being childhood sweethearts and she was captivated.

  • @RowdyRomantic
    @RowdyRomantic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Perfectly fine actually it was really great at the time, especially written by 15-year-old performed by a 16-year-old

  • @jessethecomet
    @jessethecomet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely crazy to me that some of these songs were written when Taylor was extremely young. The Outside was written when she was 12 years old. Bars!

  • @patriciaoutland1453
    @patriciaoutland1453 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Taylor was born in PA but move to Nashville TX when she was in her young teens. If I'm not mistaken her high school bf moved to GA.

  • @thisismeharper
    @thisismeharper 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    i suggest that you listen to red, 1989, folklore, evermore

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      We'll get there eventually!

    • @andrewjenkinson7052
      @andrewjenkinson7052 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I suggest you listen to EVERYTHING! The Tours, Long pond Session, music videos, Miss Americana, TTPD etc. you have entered a gigantic rabbit hole😁

    • @SusanAnnan
      @SusanAnnan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JerryBees Are you planning on going in album order?

  • @ashtonholland1877
    @ashtonholland1877 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    She moved from PA to TN when she was like 11-12. And Tennessee stars definitely wouldn’t have worked 😂
    Adding as I listen. I can’t WAIT to hear the Taylor’s Version of this little baby 🥰🫶🏻

  • @elizajoisreading
    @elizajoisreading 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Think of “Invisible” as an early draft of what she refines in “You Belong With Me” a year or two
    later.

  • @morguac
    @morguac 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    She did in fact write The Outside when she was 12.

  • @anthonyserrado508
    @anthonyserrado508 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm glad you'll be listening to Taylor's versions. some people don't.

    • @JerryBees
      @JerryBees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I feel like it's just going to make it easier for everybody if I take that route

    • @anthonyserrado508
      @anthonyserrado508 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JerryBees I definitely would've recommended it anyway. her vocals are obviously better now. and each re-recording at the end of the standard and deluxe tracks are "vault" songs which were songs that didn't make the final cut and those are very good especially Red and 1989 TV

  • @TheNraveles
    @TheNraveles 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “I’m Only Me When I’m With You” was written about her best friend at the time who is still her best friend today! They’ve been friends for a LONG time