CB :Look at your #3... Did you mean “wearing casual SHOES” with dress pants? Lol, it’s OK... I think most people understood what you meant!♥️ When I went to my Senior Prom in the late 90’s, my very handsome and usually well dressed date was wearing black and white Vans or something similar with his TUX!!! I lived in a wayyyy South Texas beach town and he was a surfer... but when he showed up in those shoes I was SO EMBARRASSED! I was REALLY dressed up in a long tight black gown with a slit up my right leg. I also has a lot of beautiful jewelry on. He was a great guy that “all the other girls” were infatuated with but I only liked him as a guy friend, nothing more. I guess he was actually infatuated with me... I really didn’t know until he kept trying to hold my hand and kiss me, etc... I had just broken up with a guy who was 4 years older than me who was an impeccable dresser. The guy I went to prom with was a Junior... I should have known but hindsight is 20/20 right!?!? To this day my 17 year old daughter will look at that picture and ask, “what in the heck was that guy thinking????”. She used to think that back in the 90’s, it was popular for guys to wear Vans, Converse, etc. with suits and tuxedos, Lol!! Now she knows how embarrassed I was😂 I just went and had a lot of fun that night with him and my friends with their dates! He was a really cool and funny guy, I have no regrets! Now if I would go to an opera or ballet, etc. and my date wore anything but a really nice pair of (black) dress shoes (with black dress socks), I would definitely ask him to change before we went!
I love wearing v-neck anything by itself. One of the many perks of going to the gym. Big tip for any fellow short guys out there, WORKOUT. It is much easier for short people to have the appearance of muscle growth due to our smaller frames.
Here in Germany there is a look called the welfare uniform also called the welfare suit. It consists of a light grey hodded sweat jacket and light grey flood sweatpants with ribbed hems which are worn with white tennis socks and sandals.
To add onto the wearing a backpack with a suit mistake, I've found that it also adds unnecessary wear and tear to the shoulder pads of you suit. And let's be honest, do you really want to destroy an expensive suit jacket with a cheap nylon bag?
Ed Jones The showering daily thing HOPEFULLY should be common sense, but excellent point about clothes should be pressed. Years ago I had a colleague who must have bought his shirts thinking they were non-iron and stuck valiantly to this principle despite evidence to the contrary. He always looked like he had just been dragged backwards through a hedge and he was in a professional job; I never saw him with an ironed shirt and even if I assume he showered regularly (perhaps a dangerous assumption?!), he never looked clean as a result of being too lazy to iron.
Being conscious of the rules makes a big difference. When you know you are being a bit daring and breaking a rule, it can be okay. It’s when you are NOT aware that you are making a faux pas, that’s when it gets embarrassing.
Being from London, where many many men work in the mind numbing, soul destroying financial sector, men in suits with huge backpacks on is definitely a pet peeve of mine!
I think those men have given up or have been beaten into submission lol. There are some pretty good messenger bags out there now, there's usually no good reason for a backpack (plus I think huge backpacks are hard to handle on the Tube).
"Given up" is the perfect way to describe it for most of these men unfortunately lol. Many also wear proper running trainers/sneakers (with suits) when they travel to and from work, only changing into smart shoes whilst working. Now i understand the practical and comfort reasons for this, but COME ON MEN!
I agree a backpack and suit not a good look but I think it depends if the person is dressed to nines or has on a clearly dressed down sport coat or suit coat with jeans. That said, in their defense, if you carry your lunch it's hard to carry in a messenger, although I did it but had a large timbuk 2 commuter bag that size wise looked like very nice duffel.
I can agree on most of the tips, except the one where you said that really crazy socks are overkill. I personally have been wearing Happy Socks for 2 years now, because I like vibrant, funny colours and socks are a subtle way of making my outfit unique. Also, funny socks just make me feel good about myself and also, they have become my signature thing on my uni campus. The entire campus knows me as the guy with the funny socks, and I have gotten more compliments on my socks than anything else related to my appearance. Especially from the ladies, which can never be a bad thing.
I definitely like the simple problem/solution approach, specially when it doesn’t feel like the entire video was just an excuse to promote a sponsor. Kudos!
Brock, you nailed it with these tips, I have seen men wearing these style mistakes for years and have even seen some of the TH-cam men’s style guys stating that it is OK to wear these mistakes because that is their individual style. Keep these coming as your advice is not just for the vertically challenged. Would like to see more on clothing/styles for the heavier man. Thanks again. Louis USN(Ret).
These rules make perfect sense! I've always worn black socks to be safe but I have sometimes let my dress shirt hang down at the end of the evening but never again! Thanks Modest Man
I like to break the dark socks rule with light coloured pants. First off, never wear white socks, no matter how formal they are. I don't wear black socks either unless my pants are black. Having said that I do wear navy socks or blue socks with light khakis but only if I am wearing a similar colour palette for my torso, for instance, a navy shirt or a blue shirt. The rule of thumb I pick is this if you have two contrasting colours in your outfit already then don't introduce a third colour palette unless it's matched with your accessories. On the flip side, if your trousers and shirt are complimentary/ neutral/ similar colour palette, then totally introduce contrast in socks and accessories. Two colours are usually safe for an outfit. If you wear a third colour, do it with your accessories. What do you say, Brock?
I think a well fitted, dark V-neck can be worn without anything under it. Particularly if you are in good shape and have a little muscle tone. The one caveat to that would be if you’ve got a tuft of chest hair hurting out the V. Whatever you wear, wear it well and with confidence.
I think a parka can work with a suit provided that it's the right type of parka. If it's a conservative color (think navy, black, or charcoal, maybe a medium gray) rather than a bright or a flashy color or a mix of colors, doesn't have too many add-ons (zippers, bulky pockets, patches, etc.), and is long enough (longer than the length of a suit jacket) then it could work. Of course, I agree that this should only be worn on either the coldest of days or on days with winter weather (think snow, sleet, freezing rain, etc.) when wearing a wool overcoat wouldn't be the best option.
The funky bright sock thing with a dark formal suit can be pulled off by some particularly older men sometimes here in the UK. The late, great, Sir David Frost was a prime example of this, as he always wore red socks. It just helps to liven up what can be a rather bland look with a bit of character and is a little unexpected jolt. But I would say, if you do this, go with a solid no-pattern bright colour ideally, and for the love of God nothing *actually* neon lol.
Great tips, I agree 100%. This is not the same old advice, thanks, Brock. These tips are really about avoiding common mismatchings that guys are especially famous for. You weren't knocking the items but just saying that everything has its place.
I agree with everything, but one: there are dive watches and dressy dive watches. James bond wore submariner for years in suits and it worked. But yes, some dive watches ate not dress up friendly. For me i have big wrists so 40mm dress watches look silly on me, whereas 44-46mm watches are proportionate. Good video!
mistake #1 grey crew neck sweater. mistake #2 white crew neck shirt sticking out from underneath said sweater. mistake #3 leather band non athletic watches with sweats.
Those are good rules of thumbs to follow, but breakable if you can pull it off. You make a good point about keeping everything together, don't mix dress clothes items with casual clothes items.
I wear preppy clothes and I avoided backpacks like the plague, because all of them just looked like I was going to gym or out camping. Then the time came that I needed a sturdy backpack to carry with me to school while on a motorcycle, and I fortunately found a super elegant and minimalist laptop backpack. It's called the Xiaomi Mi Urban Lifestyle Backpack in gray. It looks great with my outfits while keeping my laptop safe.
Thanks for the advice! I really appreciate your efforts here. Many men got exactly no fashion advice from our fathers. I've always wondered why a few of my friends always seem so well put together and do well, even when the rest of us come up with the better ideas :) . I've been telling myself my whole life that fashion has no meaning. I'm beginning to come around.
I agree Mark. I also don't wear undershirts under my sweaters, unless it's freezing and it's a crew neck. IMO an undershirt should never be visible. I equate the visible undershirt under a sweater the way I view a visible undershirt under a dress shirt (unacceptable). Also the shirt at the 7:53 mark shows just as much chest as a V-neck sweater would. Cheers. Edit: @ the 4:35 you're wearing a semi-spread or spread collar without a tie, I think this should be included in a list of things not to do. (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as I don't have any context in regards to the picture. Maybe you were shooting a video on how to tie a necktie.) At 4:45, I think a half windsor is a better knot than a four in hand knot for a semi spread collar, it's more symmetrical, nice dimple though. In regards to watches, anything with a stainless steel band/bracelet is a sports/tool watch, regardless of cost. (Yes, I know your AP Royal Oak is expensive) Dress watches have slim cases and usually don't exceed 40mm, and a leather band. (The Cartier Tank doesn't have the most sophisticated movement, but the style and dimensions are spot on.)
The only thing I don't agree with you is loud socks with formal clothes ! its amazing :) I have all the fruit cartoons socks and i wear them with a slim fit suite
I personally think that v neck without nothing underneath and bagpack are things that you should avoid if they're exagerate If you avoid those two no matter what, you might turn your style in a too boring and stereotypically adult/formal style
The sock rules are the worst ones to break for sure. With watches I see your point some definiley don't wear a casio with a suit, but if u are wearing a sub rolex u can rock whatever u want.
After this video I will definitely follow your tips and boost my confidence. Although I can only afford clothes from second hand stores and Charity shops, I know from now on I’ll be more streetwise. I trust you and thank you !
Great tips that EVERY man should follow. Don’t forget to match your belt with your shoes. Especially when wearing a suit. Brown with brown, black with black...
Brock, bought a Linjer Minimalist on your advice and it is my favourite watch in my collection. I have watches that cost nearly twice as much yet the Linjer is the one that no matter how long I wear it I can just keep looking at it get satisfied by it's design.
I agree with you. That particular guy looked amazing, v-neck and all, but he would look amazing really whatever he wears. Perhaps a bad example for that style faux-pas. I think the point overall is a sound one, however.
Wow, I'm 62 years old and think I know something about dressing, and I agree with everything you said. I came upon your channel by accident (OK...TH-cam suggestion) and I'm impressed.
I agree with most of these but differ on some of the sock rules. I think athletic socks outside of the gym are ok if you're wearing athletic-inspired casual clothing and I kind of like longer socks with shorts (I know that's a personal preference thing). I definitely don't like loud, crazy socks but I like a subtle pattern. Also, I like the contrast of dark socks with light colored pants - though white socks with dark pants are always a no. Oh, and thanks for mentioning not wearing dress shoes with certain types of jeans - I see a LOT of people doing that that think they're "dressing" up.
Enjoyed the video and the tips. Only rule I disagree with is the v-neck sweater rule. I like wearing a v-neck with a t-shirt especially in the summer and sometimes year round for really casual situations like going to the mall or quick run to the grocery.
I have to disagree with the one pointing suit with parka. I love contrast in every form of art such as music, paintings, literature with clothing included. I think it is very stylish if you can pull it off. I always wear trackpants with leather jackets or denim jacket becouse i love the contrast. None of my friends like it, they hate it actually but i still wear it becouse you have to always remeber to wear for yourself and not others.
Mistake 10 is very, very good point and I see it done all the time. I think because guys pay lots of money for them and so they feel they have to wear it all the time to get bang for buck. Actually, IMHO they should spend less money and buy a second dress watch of modest cost to wear when they're dressed which may not be often. Frankly, I don't like the big bulky heavy watches. It looks like you're wearing a wall clock.
I think people feel criticized if they’ve made any of these “mistakes” (even though I’m always clear that they’re subjective), and they hit the dislike button.
I am not sure why you feel a top coat should not be longer than mid thigh. Personally I feel that is a bit short, especially for an older man. Mid thigh seems very collegiate or perhaps right out of college. I wear suits to work daily and in the winter I have a navy and a camel top coat that both come to the top of my calf, to me, that is a much more elegant look. I am also 6'2" and I think a shorter coat would look silly on me. I would add that you should always wear a lace up shoe or a double monk strap shoe w/leather soles with with a dress/business suit, anything else is too casual. I also only never wear a button down collared shirt with a suit and tie. I have always been told that button down collars are only appropriate with sport coats.
As far as wearing a parka with dress clothes...I have been in some of the coldest climates in the USA and never thought that a parka was neccesary while dressing up. If a person wears a wool overcoat, suit jacket (possibly wool as well), possibly a vest, a dress shirt, and possibly a t-shirt under that...I am very comfortable when the temperature is down to 30 below or more, when I am dressed up. I honestly wish I could dress up all the time when it gets cold out
Many businessmen wear backpacks and tennis shoe in NYC. They often have long walks to their offices. They will change and ditch the backpack once they are at work. Women will wear tennis shoes often times in NYC to arrive at work and leave work only.
Interesting because a lot of this is reminiscent of eighties "dress for success." Indicates that basis classic style rules don't change. Actually I notice that quite a bit with your channel. A lot of fashion rules for men date back to the 1920s with updates for each era.
An excellent point. Many of the fashion trends date terribly, and even when they are en vogue, they perhaps only look right for a certain age or shape of guy. Timeless style is...timeless.
Sweeperboy Well said. Trends are trends. It's very important also to realize when you reach a certain age not to follow trends. What is timeless that works for you works best and at times that may run counter to current vogue. This could also mean for example the cut of jeans. Skinny is a no go after a certain point and it is difficult to see men in their forties and beyond in them.
JR Snyder Jr Some of the super-skinny jeans only look good on teenagers and perhaps early-twenties guys, assuming they are also skinny, and that also is debatable, lol 😂
Sweeperboy It's going to be funny watching people freak out over skinny jeans and chelsea boots giving way to the next trend. Boot cut jeans and cowboy boots already on runways and red carpets.
I dislike skinny jeans and boot cuts (unless you wear cowboy boots which is why they're made). However, I do like slim cuts because I have a bit of a gut and sometimes regular fit or classic fit are way too baggy. But, full disclosure out of curiosity I purchased a pair of skinny chinos from H&M which I think are really slim. I liked the fit so bought a 2nd pair in another color.
As for rules I might break, closest would be wearing my columbia jacket with work formal clothing. I do it because I don't own a messenger bag and when I need to carry a backpack around, I'm not wearing a backpack with my peacoat. Solution: going to buy a messenger bag Another issue I'm struggling with is what to wear, boots wise, with jeans. What if there's 12 inches of snow and I can't survive in jeans and running shoes? The black / grey boots I own are the most functional, but they clash with the blue. I'm sure nobody actually notices but now I can't stop but think of it.
As a guy who commutes in bike I can say that backpacks are not great for that either, they discomfort the arms and back because they don't move, difficulting breathing and making you sweat excessively in the back and armpits. Use a messenger bag/briefcase that's attachable like a pannier for the best results. Backpacks are good for hikers, soldiers and school kids. If you can't have a rack, then a messenger bag is still much better than a backpack.
I think the funniest spectacle I ever saw a few years back was a guy in a 3 pc suit on a pushbike, wearing a backpack and cycle helmet, Red Nike Airmax with socks with sock suspenders, to top it off. Snowboarding type wrap around sunglasses (I think the Oakley Jawbreaker style). Dear God what a sight.
Thank you. 😊 I like your video. And I agree with everything on it, but every rules there is an excemption...like the backpack and the winter jacket. Specially for men working abroad, I think the winter jacket is a necessity specially if you are in a very cold country and a backpack if you are in a "shady" country.
Have to disagree on the backpack front. There is no briefcase or messenger bag that is kind to your shoulders as a backpack can be. Backpacks are built to balance the weight of what you carry. Moreover I have not been able to find a briefcase that can carry my laptop, notepad, medicines and lunch without really looking bulky and still feel comfortable. And please, moving the bag from one shoulder to another is not a solution.
Agree with everything apart from v neck sweater, in UK where our summers are cooler a fitted v neck sweater in a summer colour can look good if you have the physique to pull it off.
i tend to wear socks that matches either the color of the shoes or the pants. if i wear a light khaki pants with dark brown shoes and dark brown socks, i think i can make it work
Great video, Europeans definitely dress differently to people in the US but many of the rules are similar if you are a conservative dresser - would not agree on the dive watch - Rolex submariner looks amazing with a suit
I will admit that I am guilty of wearing dress shirts untucked. And I should probably get a more professional looking satchel as mine is looking worn to the point of "designer worn" which is not good.
I have seen numerous men making some or all of the 10 mistakes. The rules are fairly simple: you don’t mix casual clothing and accessories (boat shoes, backpacks, untucked shirts, belts for jeans, parkas) with business attire. I don’t know why so many men do the casual/business mix-are they oblivious or is it the cost of additional wardrobe items?
I believe this is due mainly to the majority of office environments adhereing to a "business casual" dress code. It's a very broad term that can be interpreted in varying ways, hence the mixing of casual pieces with the more traditional. I feel like this can be pulled off quite well, if one still follows some basic rules, however, more often than not, it's done quite poorly.
Thank you for this video Brock , after watch it , now I know am in the right track because I never made these mistakes !! And you with your advices are the one that keep me in line 😄Thank you !
Agree with almost all, except wearing bulky (dive) watches with more dressy clothes. Some Rolexes, for example, fall into this category and I think they look fine with pretty much anything.
>Button down shirt with a double-breasted suit, or a three-piece suit. >Mixing plaids & stripes. >Having your undershirt collar showing above your dress shirt or even casual shirt. >Canvas sneakers in the winter leather sneakers in the summer. >Wearing a hoodie under a suit or blazer. >Wearing a hoodie with a dress shirt or dress slacks.
Recently come across your channel looks good 👍. Any chance of doing a casual look for retired guys who don’t work so don’t need the casual work look. Oh yes and please no “athleisure” 🤮 or “white sneakers” 🤮. Thanks from England 👍🏴.
Everythings fine, but I disagree with the V-Neck sweater rule#9, why? because if you workout or if you are a regular GYM dude and have a good or great upper body and superhero-like chest/pectorals, then the V-Neck sweater with no shirt is a goo. It's a bit sexy and shows confidence, especially in warmer weathers at nights.
The coat thing I completely agree with (I like to dress well, but I didn't have a nice coat until I was given one this Christmas), but it doesn't really fit the spirit of the video that you set up in the beginning. Because you'd need to buy a nice coat to wear instead of the parka or whatever.
at 5:15, when you have your shirt sleeves rolled up, what I usually do is roll it once more to half its width, if that makes sense. I think that's similar to when you pick slimmer belts, both for jeans and watches to sort of match your appearance (as a short guy). What's your opinion on that?
I really liked this video. Reason being is although there are many other "style mistake" videos, this one has many tips that have not been previously discussed, so well done :)
I wear Nike socks for pretty much everything, lol. I wear them with suits as well I'm a student and I dress up a lot. Top coat with sweater vest and a tie. I wear a backpack as well. Crap. Failed on the belt as well.
I disagree with a couple points. In Canada we wear parkas over suits all the time because a peacoat just doesn't cut it. Suits with sneakers are fine granted the legs are very fitted with no break and the sneakers have a clean aesthetic such as the common projects. Dress shoes is a good way to dress up a casual evening attire. Fitted jeans with dress shirt and black sport jacket paired with black dress shoes is perfectly fine. I agree with most of your points but they are more advice than rules. Sartorial style nowadays really tend to blend formal with casual. Take a look at brands like eleventy and thome browne.
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Have you seen guys making these mistakes? Let me know in the comments!
Biggest mistake, not investing in nicer wardrobe.
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I’ve made all 10 mistakes on your list. Lol. But videos like this has helped me immensely. Now I’m a sexy beast!
1 wearing athletic socks, when not doing sport
2 wearing a backpack with dressy outfits
3 wearing casual pants with dress pants
4 wearing casual outerware with suits
5 wearing dress shirts untucked
6 wearing darks socks with light pants (or vice cersa)
7 wearing dress shoes with jeans
8 wearing boat shoes with dressy pants
9 wearing v neck sweaters with nothing under (breakable)
10 wearing casual watches with dressy outfits (breakable)
CB :Look at your #3... Did you mean “wearing casual SHOES” with dress pants? Lol, it’s OK... I think most people understood what you meant!♥️ When I went to my Senior Prom in the late 90’s, my very handsome and usually well dressed date was wearing black and white Vans or something similar with his TUX!!! I lived in a wayyyy South Texas beach town and he was a surfer... but when he showed up in those shoes I was SO EMBARRASSED! I was REALLY dressed up in a long tight black gown with a slit up my right leg. I also has a lot of beautiful jewelry on. He was a great guy that “all the other girls” were infatuated with but I only liked him as a guy friend, nothing more. I guess he was actually infatuated with me... I really didn’t know until he kept trying to hold my hand and kiss me, etc... I had just broken up with a guy who was 4 years older than me who was an impeccable dresser. The guy I went to prom with was a Junior... I should have known but hindsight is 20/20 right!?!? To this day my 17 year old daughter will look at that picture and ask, “what in the heck was that guy thinking????”. She used to think that back in the 90’s, it was popular for guys to wear Vans, Converse, etc. with suits and tuxedos, Lol!! Now she knows how embarrassed I was😂 I just went and had a lot of fun that night with him and my friends with their dates! He was a really cool and funny guy, I have no regrets! Now if I would go to an opera or ballet, etc. and my date wore anything but a really nice pair of (black) dress shoes (with black dress socks), I would definitely ask him to change before we went!
@@robynsmith4164 I thought I could wear two pants at once tho
I wore white sport socks with tennis shoes while wearing a beige suit as a kid. I thought I looked like a million bucks back then.
lol nice
I love wearing v-neck anything by itself. One of the many perks of going to the gym. Big tip for any fellow short guys out there, WORKOUT. It is much easier for short people to have the appearance of muscle growth due to our smaller frames.
I'l just stop dressing all together and be done with it
Tankado haha I so get that!
Here in Germany there is a look called the welfare uniform also called the welfare suit.
It consists of a light grey hodded sweat jacket and light grey flood sweatpants with ribbed hems which are worn with white tennis socks and sandals.
I hope you're joking mate :) It's actually not hard to improve your style very simply (and even cheaply). The advice in this video is a good start.
Naked: the only appropriate look in a German sauna.
That's also my outfit. A birthday suit. LOL
To add onto the wearing a backpack with a suit mistake, I've found that it also adds unnecessary wear and tear to the shoulder pads of you suit.
And let's be honest, do you really want to destroy an expensive suit jacket with a cheap nylon bag?
Whatever you wear, please just make sure it's clean and pressed. And shower. The world thanks you.
Ed Jones The showering daily thing HOPEFULLY should be common sense, but excellent point about clothes should be pressed. Years ago I had a colleague who must have bought his shirts thinking they were non-iron and stuck valiantly to this principle despite evidence to the contrary. He always looked like he had just been dragged backwards through a hedge and he was in a professional job; I never saw him with an ironed shirt and even if I assume he showered regularly (perhaps a dangerous assumption?!), he never looked clean as a result of being too lazy to iron.
Being conscious of the rules makes a big difference. When you know you are being a bit daring and breaking a rule, it can be okay. It’s when you are NOT aware that you are making a faux pas, that’s when it gets embarrassing.
Being from London, where many many men work in the mind numbing, soul destroying financial sector, men in suits with huge backpacks on is definitely a pet peeve of mine!
I think those men have given up or have been beaten into submission lol. There are some pretty good messenger bags out there now, there's usually no good reason for a backpack (plus I think huge backpacks are hard to handle on the Tube).
"Given up" is the perfect way to describe it for most of these men unfortunately lol. Many also wear proper running trainers/sneakers (with suits) when they travel to and from work, only changing into smart shoes whilst working. Now i understand the practical and comfort reasons for this, but COME ON MEN!
Curtiss Wu I don’t see anything wrong with this. Why wear impractical and uncomfortable apparel when you’re not getting paid to do it?
I agree a backpack and suit not a good look but I think it depends if the person is dressed to nines or has on a clearly dressed down sport coat or suit coat with jeans. That said, in their defense, if you carry your lunch it's hard to carry in a messenger, although I did it but had a large timbuk 2 commuter bag that size wise looked like very nice duffel.
And the bit chunky trainers to really cap off that miserable commuter look!
I can agree on most of the tips, except the one where you said that really crazy socks are overkill. I personally have been wearing Happy Socks for 2 years now, because I like vibrant, funny colours and socks are a subtle way of making my outfit unique. Also, funny socks just make me feel good about myself and also, they have become my signature thing on my uni campus. The entire campus knows me as the guy with the funny socks, and I have gotten more compliments on my socks than anything else related to my appearance. Especially from the ladies, which can never be a bad thing.
Disagree on the v-neck sweater. If the V isn't too deep i think it's a clean, sleek look with no layering.
Kevin Israel yup
Kevin Israel .Yeah totally disagree the V neck”rule”.If you have a good physique,and a nice soft v neck ,any kind of shirt under it ruins it imo
you can wear a v neck t shirt in a contrast color is classy
Kevin Israel he's young
He said this rule can be breakable.
I definitely like the simple problem/solution approach, specially when it doesn’t feel like the entire video was just an excuse to promote a sponsor. Kudos!
Thank you, sir!
Brock, you nailed it with these tips, I have seen men wearing these style mistakes for years and have even seen some of the TH-cam men’s style guys stating that it is OK to wear these mistakes because that is their individual style. Keep these coming as your advice is not just for the vertically challenged. Would like to see more on clothing/styles for the heavier man. Thanks again. Louis USN(Ret).
These rules make perfect sense! I've always worn black socks to be safe but I have sometimes let my dress shirt hang down at the end of the evening but never again! Thanks Modest Man
I like to break the dark socks rule with light coloured pants. First off, never wear white socks, no matter how formal they are. I don't wear black socks either unless my pants are black. Having said that I do wear navy socks or blue socks with light khakis but only if I am wearing a similar colour palette for my torso, for instance, a navy shirt or a blue shirt.
The rule of thumb I pick is this if you have two contrasting colours in your outfit already then don't introduce a third colour palette unless it's matched with your accessories. On the flip side, if your trousers and shirt are complimentary/ neutral/ similar colour palette, then totally introduce contrast in socks and accessories.
Two colours are usually safe for an outfit. If you wear a third colour, do it with your accessories. What do you say, Brock?
Well said!
I think a well fitted, dark V-neck can be worn without anything under it. Particularly if you are in good shape and have a little muscle tone. The one caveat to that would be if you’ve got a tuft of chest hair hurting out the V. Whatever you wear, wear it well and with confidence.
The boat shoes one drives me nuts too. #1 thing I see college guys do
I think a parka can work with a suit provided that it's the right type of parka. If it's a conservative color (think navy, black, or charcoal, maybe a medium gray) rather than a bright or a flashy color or a mix of colors, doesn't have too many add-ons (zippers, bulky pockets, patches, etc.), and is long enough (longer than the length of a suit jacket) then it could work.
Of course, I agree that this should only be worn on either the coldest of days or on days with winter weather (think snow, sleet, freezing rain, etc.) when wearing a wool overcoat wouldn't be the best option.
The funky bright sock thing with a dark formal suit can be pulled off by some particularly older men sometimes here in the UK. The late, great, Sir David Frost was a prime example of this, as he always wore red socks. It just helps to liven up what can be a rather bland look with a bit of character and is a little unexpected jolt.
But I would say, if you do this, go with a solid no-pattern bright colour ideally, and for the love of God nothing *actually* neon lol.
You are so photogenic in those pictures mate haha. I look like I'm photobombing my own selfies haha
EveryMan haha!!! Great comment! I feel the same about myself in pics.
me too m8, me too
Great tips, I agree 100%. This is not the same old advice, thanks, Brock. These tips are really about avoiding common mismatchings that guys are especially famous for. You weren't knocking the items but just saying that everything has its place.
Exactly!
I agree with everything, but one: there are dive watches and dressy dive watches. James bond wore submariner for years in suits and it worked. But yes, some dive watches ate not dress up friendly.
For me i have big wrists so 40mm dress watches look silly on me, whereas 44-46mm watches are proportionate. Good video!
mistake #1 grey crew neck sweater.
mistake #2 white crew neck shirt sticking out from underneath said sweater.
mistake #3 leather band non athletic watches with sweats.
Not a fan of grey, huh?
Are you high? It looks pretty good
Hilarious
Those are good rules of thumbs to follow, but breakable if you can pull it off. You make a good point about keeping everything together, don't mix dress clothes items with casual clothes items.
I wear preppy clothes and I avoided backpacks like the plague, because all of them just looked like I was going to gym or out camping.
Then the time came that I needed a sturdy backpack to carry with me to school while on a motorcycle, and I fortunately found a super elegant and minimalist laptop backpack. It's called the Xiaomi Mi Urban Lifestyle Backpack in gray. It looks great with my outfits while keeping my laptop safe.
Thanks for the advice! I really appreciate your efforts here. Many men got exactly no fashion advice from our fathers. I've always wondered why a few of my friends always seem so well put together and do well, even when the rest of us come up with the better ideas :) . I've been telling myself my whole life that fashion has no meaning. I'm beginning to come around.
I agree with all the rules except I like wearing a v-neck sweater on its own sometimes. I consider that a little more casual but I like the look
I agree Mark. I also don't wear undershirts under my sweaters, unless it's freezing and it's a crew neck. IMO an undershirt should never be visible. I equate the visible undershirt under a sweater the way I view a visible undershirt under a dress shirt (unacceptable). Also the shirt at the 7:53 mark shows just as much chest as a V-neck sweater would.
Cheers.
Edit: @ the 4:35 you're wearing a semi-spread or spread collar without a tie, I think this should be included in a list of things not to do. (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as I don't have any context in regards to the picture. Maybe you were shooting a video on how to tie a necktie.)
At 4:45, I think a half windsor is a better knot than a four in hand knot for a semi spread collar, it's more symmetrical, nice dimple though.
In regards to watches, anything with a stainless steel band/bracelet is a sports/tool watch, regardless of cost. (Yes, I know your AP Royal Oak is expensive)
Dress watches have slim cases and usually don't exceed 40mm, and a leather band. (The Cartier Tank doesn't have the most sophisticated movement, but the style and dimensions are spot on.)
Agreed
Alpha M wears V neck sweaters without a button up
Yup
Mark Dobki I agree with you. I think if you are a muscular guy it looks great
The only thing I don't agree with you is loud socks with formal clothes ! its amazing :)
I have all the fruit cartoons socks and i wear them with a slim fit suite
I personally think that v neck without nothing underneath and bagpack are things that you should avoid if they're exagerate
If you avoid those two no matter what, you might turn your style in a too boring and stereotypically adult/formal style
Great video Brock!
Thanks! And great to finally meet you in ATL. Hit me up anytime if you want to talk shop.
As usual, spot on advice. The man knows his subject and subject matter. Enjoy your work.
Thank you sir!
The sock rules are the worst ones to break for sure. With watches I see your point some definiley don't wear a casio with a suit, but if u are wearing a sub rolex u can rock whatever u want.
After this video I will definitely follow your tips and boost my confidence. Although I can only afford clothes from second hand stores and Charity shops, I know from now on I’ll be more streetwise. I trust you and thank you !
Great tips that EVERY man should follow. Don’t forget to match your belt with your shoes. Especially when wearing a suit. Brown with brown, black with black...
I agree most of them except for the last one. A rolex submariner looks perfect with dress suit.
A polar explorer II is not bad either.
Thanks for making some good points without being too much of a shock jock.
You look perfect in the pics and I wish more guys would check out your video! Good wrap up!
Brock, bought a Linjer Minimalist on your advice and it is my favourite watch in my collection. I have watches that cost nearly twice as much yet the Linjer is the one that no matter how long I wear it I can just keep looking at it get satisfied by it's design.
Awesome! Glad to hear that 👊🏼
You really do look great in any type of attire. Your sense of fashion is top-notch.
I've got to disagree with the v-neck sweater. The guy in the photo, IMHO, looked great.
mike wilson everything looks great when you are ripped.
Yeah you can break some rules when you’re a built like a fitness model.
I agree with you. That particular guy looked amazing, v-neck and all, but he would look amazing really whatever he wears. Perhaps a bad example for that style faux-pas.
I think the point overall is a sound one, however.
mike wilson a shallow vneck to me is fine w/o. the deep v is debatable, unless u have pecs cleavage and at the bar.
Gay
Wow, I'm 62 years old and think I know something about dressing, and I agree with everything you said. I came upon your channel by accident (OK...TH-cam suggestion) and I'm impressed.
I agree with most of these but differ on some of the sock rules. I think athletic socks outside of the gym are ok if you're wearing athletic-inspired casual clothing and I kind of like longer socks with shorts (I know that's a personal preference thing). I definitely don't like loud, crazy socks but I like a subtle pattern. Also, I like the contrast of dark socks with light colored pants - though white socks with dark pants are always a no. Oh, and thanks for mentioning not wearing dress shoes with certain types of jeans - I see a LOT of people doing that that think they're "dressing" up.
Enjoyed the video and the tips. Only rule I disagree with is the v-neck sweater rule. I like wearing a v-neck with a t-shirt especially in the summer and sometimes year round for really casual situations like going to the mall or quick run to the grocery.
I have to disagree with the one pointing suit with parka. I love contrast in every form of art such as music, paintings, literature with clothing included. I think it is very stylish if you can pull it off. I always wear trackpants with leather jackets or denim jacket becouse i love the contrast. None of my friends like it, they hate it actually but i still wear it becouse you have to always remeber to wear for yourself and not others.
Mistake 10 is very, very good point and I see it done all the time. I think because guys pay lots of money for them and so they feel they have to wear it all the time to get bang for buck. Actually, IMHO they should spend less money and buy a second dress watch of modest cost to wear when they're dressed which may not be often. Frankly, I don't like the big bulky heavy watches. It looks like you're wearing a wall clock.
These tips are all original and detailed unlike other videos, great job!
I can't understand how you got so many dislikes... Your channel is the only great one about men style!
I think people feel criticized if they’ve made any of these “mistakes” (even though I’m always clear that they’re subjective), and they hit the dislike button.
@@BrockMcGoff they must have a low intelligence, since you're giving us tips to improve. It's like bullies at school
I am not sure why you feel a top coat should not be longer than mid thigh. Personally I feel that is a bit short, especially for an older man. Mid thigh seems very collegiate or perhaps right out of college. I wear suits to work daily and in the winter I have a navy and a camel top coat that both come to the top of my calf, to me, that is a much more elegant look. I am also 6'2" and I think a shorter coat would look silly on me. I would add that you should always wear a lace up shoe or a double monk strap shoe w/leather soles with with a dress/business suit, anything else is too casual. I also only never wear a button down collared shirt with a suit and tie. I have always been told that button down collars are only appropriate with sport coats.
As far as wearing a parka with dress clothes...I have been in some of the coldest climates in the USA and never thought that a parka was neccesary while dressing up.
If a person wears a wool overcoat, suit jacket (possibly wool as well), possibly a vest, a dress shirt, and possibly a t-shirt under that...I am very comfortable when the temperature is down to 30 below or more, when I am dressed up.
I honestly wish I could dress up all the time when it gets cold out
Many businessmen wear backpacks and tennis shoe in NYC. They often have long walks to their offices. They will change and ditch the backpack once they are at work. Women will wear tennis shoes often times in NYC to arrive at work and leave work only.
You are so right....many thanks from Germany !
There are so many undressed Men in the Upper Class you get pain in your Eyes !
Interesting because a lot of this is reminiscent of eighties "dress for success." Indicates that basis classic style rules don't change. Actually I notice that quite a bit with your channel. A lot of fashion rules for men date back to the 1920s with updates for each era.
An excellent point. Many of the fashion trends date terribly, and even when they are en vogue, they perhaps only look right for a certain age or shape of guy. Timeless style is...timeless.
Sweeperboy Well said. Trends are trends. It's very important also to realize when you reach a certain age not to follow trends. What is timeless that works for you works best and at times that may run counter to current vogue. This could also mean for example the cut of jeans. Skinny is a no go after a certain point and it is difficult to see men in their forties and beyond in them.
JR Snyder Jr Some of the super-skinny jeans only look good on teenagers and perhaps early-twenties guys, assuming they are also skinny, and that also is debatable, lol 😂
Sweeperboy It's going to be funny watching people freak out over skinny jeans and chelsea boots giving way to the next trend. Boot cut jeans and cowboy boots already on runways and red carpets.
I dislike skinny jeans and boot cuts (unless you wear cowboy boots which is why they're made). However, I do like slim cuts because I have a bit of a gut and sometimes regular fit or classic fit are way too baggy. But, full disclosure out of curiosity I purchased a pair of skinny chinos from H&M which I think are really slim. I liked the fit so bought a 2nd pair in another color.
Just noticed the Modest Man logo on the inner placket of your shirt. Nice touch! Classy af.
As for rules I might break, closest would be wearing my columbia jacket with work formal clothing. I do it because I don't own a messenger bag and when I need to carry a backpack around, I'm not wearing a backpack with my peacoat.
Solution: going to buy a messenger bag
Another issue I'm struggling with is what to wear, boots wise, with jeans. What if there's 12 inches of snow and I can't survive in jeans and running shoes? The black / grey boots I own are the most functional, but they clash with the blue. I'm sure nobody actually notices but now I can't stop but think of it.
As a guy who commutes in bike I can say that backpacks are not great for that either, they discomfort the arms and back because they don't move, difficulting breathing and making you sweat excessively in the back and armpits. Use a messenger bag/briefcase that's attachable like a pannier for the best results. Backpacks are good for hikers, soldiers and school kids. If you can't have a rack, then a messenger bag is still much better than a backpack.
I agree, the outfit should flow, be vibe-by & cohesive.
I think the funniest spectacle I ever saw a few years back was a guy in a 3 pc suit on a pushbike, wearing a backpack and cycle helmet, Red Nike Airmax with socks with sock suspenders, to top it off. Snowboarding type wrap around sunglasses (I think the Oakley Jawbreaker style). Dear God what a sight.
well done video. Since I've always felt my wardrobe was off, i have some work to do. 💰👖
I feel for 3:59. Here in Korea, in winter, it goes under -2~-11 celsius and is extremely windy. Wear a coat is not enough.
Thank you. 😊 I like your video.
And I agree with everything on it, but every rules there is an excemption...like the backpack and the winter jacket. Specially for men working abroad, I think the winter jacket is a necessity specially if you are in a very cold country and a backpack if you are in a "shady" country.
Have to disagree on the backpack front. There is no briefcase or messenger bag that is kind to your shoulders as a backpack can be. Backpacks are built to balance the weight of what you carry. Moreover I have not been able to find a briefcase that can carry my laptop, notepad, medicines and lunch without really looking bulky and still feel comfortable. And please, moving the bag from one shoulder to another is not a solution.
+nikhilsrl
Oh come on! I'm not the most muscular guy in my environment and still have no problems carrying a simple briefcase or laptop bag
StrasbergProtégé guess I'm not you 😉
+nikhilsrl
Then you're either scrawny or your body mass consists solely of fat
StrasbergProtégé whatever floats your boat many
StrasbergProtégé in the main, a back pack is better for your back and overall posture.
Agree with everything apart from v neck sweater, in UK where our summers are cooler a fitted v neck sweater in a summer colour can look good if you have the physique to pull it off.
Not sure why this came up in my suggested videos, but I'm glad it did. Very solid tips.
Yes, I need constant updates so I don’t fall in old habits! Thank you!
You can also match socks to shoes. Matching socks to pants is usually better, but one or the other is better than odd contrast.
Super solid video, no bullshit filler. Nice going man.
i tend to wear socks that matches either the color of the shoes or the pants. if i wear a light khaki pants with dark brown shoes and dark brown socks, i think i can make it work
Great video, Europeans definitely dress differently to people in the US but many of the rules are similar if you are a conservative dresser - would not agree on the dive watch - Rolex submariner looks amazing with a suit
I will admit that I am guilty of wearing dress shirts untucked.
And I should probably get a more professional looking satchel as mine is looking worn to the point of "designer worn" which is not good.
I have seen numerous men making some or all of the 10 mistakes. The rules are fairly simple: you don’t mix casual clothing and accessories (boat shoes, backpacks, untucked shirts, belts for jeans, parkas) with business attire. I don’t know why so many men do the casual/business mix-are they oblivious or is it the cost of additional wardrobe items?
I believe this is due mainly to the majority of office environments adhereing to a "business casual" dress code. It's a very broad term that can be interpreted in varying ways, hence the mixing of casual pieces with the more traditional. I feel like this can be pulled off quite well, if one still follows some basic rules, however, more often than not, it's done quite poorly.
I chose to wear argyle socks for casual to dress, matching to the outfit, the only white/sport socks I own are no show,and I have dark no show
man i love you channel been loosing weight and now i can wear the clothes that i want, youre awesome dude !!!!
Great video modest man, will have to watch it twice more to memorise all the info.
Thank you so much for all this tips. Nice video!😀
Thank you for this video Brock , after watch it , now I know am in the right track because I never made these mistakes !!
And you with your advices are the one that keep me in line 😄Thank you !
Agree with almost all, except wearing bulky (dive) watches with more dressy clothes. Some Rolexes, for example, fall into this category and I think they look fine with pretty much anything.
good vid B. Like the lil logo on the shirt placket... nice.
NO boat shoes period-lol
Thanks Modest Man. I like your style of video.
>Button down shirt with a double-breasted suit, or a three-piece suit.
>Mixing plaids & stripes.
>Having your undershirt collar showing above your dress shirt or even casual shirt.
>Canvas sneakers in the winter leather sneakers in the summer.
>Wearing a hoodie under a suit or blazer.
>Wearing a hoodie with a dress shirt or dress slacks.
5:41. Thanks for reminding. I sometimes take my socks for granted but as I am taking my dressing style up a notch I have to be careful.
Love my happy socks
Not for formal wear but are alot of fun. Thanks for the video
Great video I'm sharing this with my sons!
This channel actually gives useful advice. kudos.
Recently come across your channel looks good 👍. Any chance of doing a casual look for retired guys who don’t work so don’t need the casual work look. Oh yes and please no “athleisure” 🤮 or “white sneakers” 🤮. Thanks from England 👍🏴.
How good did it feel to get this off your chest? Lol
Not only were all of these on point, many of them are just annoying.
Hey man, great video: what brand are those stunning trousers you're wearing in the photo at 2:13 - i just got to have those!
Damn! Everything The Modest Man said is true and makes sense! Great video!
Great Video. Thank you for posting.
Everythings fine, but I disagree with the V-Neck sweater rule#9, why? because if you workout or if you are a regular GYM dude and have a good or great upper body and superhero-like chest/pectorals, then the V-Neck sweater with no shirt is a goo. It's a bit sexy and shows confidence, especially in warmer weathers at nights.
The coat thing I completely agree with (I like to dress well, but I didn't have a nice coat until I was given one this Christmas), but it doesn't really fit the spirit of the video that you set up in the beginning. Because you'd need to buy a nice coat to wear instead of the parka or whatever.
at 5:15, when you have your shirt sleeves rolled up, what I usually do is roll it once more to half its width, if that makes sense. I think that's similar to when you pick slimmer belts, both for jeans and watches to sort of match your appearance (as a short guy). What's your opinion on that?
I do that too! Love the smaller cuff that it creates, and the length is perfect.
I really liked this video. Reason being is although there are many other "style mistake" videos, this one has many tips that have not been previously discussed, so well done :)
I wear Nike socks for pretty much everything, lol. I wear them with suits as well
I'm a student and I dress up a lot. Top coat with sweater vest and a tie. I wear a backpack as well. Crap.
Failed on the belt as well.
Good advice! Especially if you're trying to impress someone special or job interviewing.
What about casual button-down shirts with cargo shorts and sneakers? I wear that in the summer but not sure if it's best.
Popped collars, socks with sandals, hipster beanies, and top knots are no-no's also.
Hi, is it okay to wear Thursday captain brown boots with black dress trousers? and how about with navy suit?
No and no IMO.
Thanks man. Really helpful advice.
I disagree with a couple points. In Canada we wear parkas over suits all the time because a peacoat just doesn't cut it. Suits with sneakers are fine granted the legs are very fitted with no break and the sneakers have a clean aesthetic such as the common projects. Dress shoes is a good way to dress up a casual evening attire. Fitted jeans with dress shirt and black sport jacket paired with black dress shoes is perfectly fine. I agree with most of your points but they are more advice than rules. Sartorial style nowadays really tend to blend formal with casual. Take a look at brands like eleventy and thome browne.
Hey dude, what do you think about turtleneck shirts? How to wear them (or not wear at all)?