I want to know the psychology of the guards after the experiment ended. how does someone become that evil and then just be like "ok, see you in physics class, Robert!"
So if a professor told and encouraged you to molest a child in the name of science .... would you? If the answer is yes, you have a weak mind. The point of this is that if someone within a position of power and authority condones the morally abhorrent behaviour seen in these studies, it normalises it for 90% of human adults chosen at random. They then begin, for whatever reason, to commit these behaviours themselves. So authority is one of the most dangerous and decisive things in our society currently.
I wonder. . .would the same thing happen if we were able to replicate this experiment with women? I have the feeling that Dr Zimbardo planned on doing the same thing with different social circles like black men, white women. I don't think anyone can replicate this study... because my oh my did this experiement go so so wrong.
Just seeing pictures of all the male participants that’s one of the first things I said to myself, y’all needed to have some women to curb this nonsense. I very much agree with Abdullah Ocalan’s feminist approach to democratic organization. There should always be equal man and woman etc delegates. And in many instances women should be deferred to for final judgements, to curtail the patriarchal psychology that has dominated men for centuries now. That’s probably a crude simplification but gets across my feelings on it
Having been in jail for a couple months here and there, I would say that there is only one type of guard. The sadistic asshole that enjoys messing with people, the tough but fair guy, and the nice one that does favors for prisoners. Every guard, in my experience, embodies all of these traits. What differs is the groups that they show which traits to.
Concur! I did meet one guard who enjoyed messing with other guards, was really kind to all the prisoners, but did ensure you never broke a policy such as touching his podium. He even has a tale that this outlook, this 'be kind to the prisoners,' saved his life when he was recognized at a bar in Mexico by former prisoners who had been deported. Instead of taking him out the back and putting a bullet in him, as he feared they would, they purchased him drinks for 'being one of the few good ones.' Hey, Wade, I know you are not reading this but - Thanks for not making that mess even worse! P.S: Fuck I.C.E. for not even looking at my paperwork, detained for three months before they 'realized their mistake!'
I think the most interesting aspect of this study is that the guards that were particularly cruel never saw it as such, never drew a line for themselves or stopped to ask if they were doing was right, regardless of whatever orders they were given
I think the most interesting aspect is that sick Nazzee Germanee type shite goes on in American universities, and that the 'science' of psychology is quite perverse, and almost devoid of anything useful or definitive. The experiment itself is nothing, it's just depravity, there's no takeaway, no important, thought-provoking addition to our body of psychology knowledge. The guy should be in jail, and Stanford should have suffered some sort of criminal consequences, not merely any monetary damages. They call that 'publish or perish'. You gotta justify your existence as an academic or you're out. And there's no discipline like psychology that goes down some dark rabbit holes in the search of such self-justification. It really is a disgrace as far as worthy intellectual pursuit goes, if not an outright pseudo science.
Imperial Japan also did horrible medical “experiments” (and many other bad things) to people in China and Korea... much of this was never heard of in the Western world.
@@joermnyc what's so insane to me is how not so long ago places like that were "liberated". This shit isn't that far in our past and so many people wanna act like hell doesnt continue to happen here. Interesting reads though haha.
It's disturbing but any psych major will tell you it was largely confounded. It's not quite as ''telling" about human behavior as one might thing - the role that Zimbardo played in the study entirely skewed the results.
Did it? You can say the “experiment” was flawed in major ways (which it was; certainly it wouldn’t be considered a legitimate psych experiment based on methodology), or you can look at the flaws as other aspects of a bigger, even less-controlled experiment. Zimbardo thought of that hallway as HIS “prison”, where HE was the final authority. and his attitude trickled down to everyone else from the “parole board” to the “guards” to the “prisoners”.
As a psych major who just finished watching the made movie about this event, psychology is now considering Ethical standard on experiment. Any injury to the participants will be all held accountable to the experimenter
“Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist, Dr. Zimbardo!”
Wasn’t a big part of the reason why this case was so infamous was because participants were supposedly allowed to leave at any time, yet every time prisoners came forward to leave, Zimbardo and the other researchers would basically shame/coax them into staying? I could be wrong but pretty sure that’s what my psych teacher taught me
I worked in a federal max security federal prison. Many of the guards were jerks, mostly to other staff. Most of the inmates were relatively decent, even the murderers. New guards were, with little compassion by other guards, harassed like you wouldn’t believe. After I started work, there were about 150 guards who quit after about 6 months. The only real difference between guards and inmates were that the guards got to go home after the shift ended. Few guards wanted to work overtime, so the supervisors actually locked the prison doors until somebody would volunteer (because of the union contract, they couldn’t force guards to work overtime). One time, I asked for batteries for my flashlight (used for count), and the supervisor told me to steal them from the inmates. There was a very fine line between inmates and staff. I’d rather work in a barn and swim around in cow poop than work in a federal prison. It makes death seem desirable, LOL.
@@oDM0o the government infected a group of black citizens with the syphilis virus so they could study illness. The participants where unaware and lied too
That experiment has been debunked several times. The video only mentions it at the very end. Zimbardo guided the guards and told them what they should do. So it wasn't the guards being cruel, but Zimbardo who wanted to get certain results to proof his hypothesis. In several attempts to recreate the study's results where the guards were not guided it didn't create the same results. Google the study and research for yourselves.
I did google, for studies replicating the experiment. I found articles criticizing the methodology, but no actual attempts of replication. Can you help me out?
The immediate corruption seemed almost silly to me, the only time mentally stable humans get this way against there will is usually through starvation and other loss of basic NECESSITIES (not basic comforts). Altruism just doesn’t evaporate that quickly in normal people. Thanks for bringing this up. Frans De Waal has a really neat observation of this in small African tribes with severe food shortages
@@steveducell2158 Watch this video from VSauce, they did a good replication experiment: th-cam.com/video/KND_bBDE8RQ/w-d-xo.html Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Similar_studies
Even with Zimbardo influencing the guards behavior, it’s still telling that the guards listened and behaved accordingly. It’s not a perfect experiment, but it also wasn’t a waste. It also says something about how people in power, in this case the researchers, fall prey to expectations and satisfying a role, and what they were willing to do to accomplish their goal.
I spent 15 fifteen yearsin prison, and fifteen years prior as a ax sheriff in nyc. I understand both roles. Reality is far worse than the experiment, as most people don’t realize. There isn’t any “you had enough,walk away”. Heart-breaking, really. I heard more war stories than Walt Disney could tell.
This one always boils my blood! The guards were coached and that is what makes it all the more vile. The necessary follow up care of the “prisoners” was inadequate to say the the least.
I remember watching that, how quickly bias was ingrained into those kids was insane. They were willing to believe they were better/worse, and it actually effected their performance in class.
The amount of power given to perceived authority is life threatening. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PARENTS should be scrutinized and tested before they are allowed to raise their babies/children. Society scrutinizes prospective drivers with books and driving tests before they are allowed to drive a vehicle, but anyone is allowed to raise/influence a baby/human life just because they had s&x. What kind of society is this????
Yikes... and who gets to decide what determines a good parent or not? Who scrutinizes the scrutinizers? There are bad parents, for sure, but the when someone else gets to decide who is or who is not, then you'll end up with decisions made based on political differences or discrimination.
I agree with you, even more so as I get older. We used to have to have licences for dogs, we have to undergo training and pass exams to do jobs, but anybody can have a child. In the grand scheme of things that is quire terrifying when you see the state of a lot of us.
The Stanley Milgram electric shock experiment was even crazier and more disturbing. People were willing to inflict mortal damage against a person because an authority figure told them it was ok.
@@U.E-o4w I didn't mean anything by it except the actual comment of, have you been asleep? Events unlike EVER before in history have been taking place worldwide over the past 2 years so your comment struck me as funny?😊 But if you meant THAT event it was decades ago.
I watched an interview with that featured Dr Zimbardo and a few of the "guards" Not once did the "guards" say that they were told to behave a certain way or get specific results. Actually it seemed like it was the opposite, the guard was shocked at how quickly he took to being a "bad guy" . The man had to internalize and reflect upon himself for a long time after that. I wish i could find that video so i could share with here with you guys. To be clear, I am not giving credit to Dr Zimbardo, or to this study.. I'm just saying none of us know what really was said to the guards or the prisoners; we only have a small amount of facts to work with... I also don't know much if anything about the Doctor, so i don't feel justified comparing him to the actual criminal Mengela or anyone remotely like that.
Yes, I remember seeing that video, too. If my memory serves, I think it was filmed in the early to mid 70s. Also, wasn't this experiment, along with the Milgram one, the entire reason why there was such a push for ethics boards and definite guidelines on human experimentation in the mid 70s?
Learning about this experiment during my first or second university year as a psychology major made me completely star-struck when I finally got to attend a lecture by dr. Zimbardo in my final year and getting to meet him in person. Fast forward two years later, when in my final Research Master year I worked on a research project with a social psychologist who designed a multiplayer computer game for the use of experiments and the final boss was named “Zimbardo”. 🤣 Now it is impossible of me to separate Zimbardo the scientist from Zimbardo the monster 🤣
I would say that the environment itself had quite a bit to do with the mental and emotional reactions of the inmates. There was definitely sensory deprivation going on and that can have a profound effect. I was in a really crappy mental institution where similar things were going on. I came out of that with PTSD and a lot of anger. I think the anger was what kept me from ending up going back in there again like so many others. They call that the "revolving door syndrome".
the point of the experiment was setting a precedent, it is not like they could predict this in any way or form. it was expected for everyone involved to be fully aware it was an experiment at all times and that anyone crossing the line would be called out by everyone else. then their DnD session when straight to hell
It wasn't staged but it wasn't legit. If a researcher tried to do this study in the US today, they wouldn't be celebrated like we celebrate zimbardo, they would be asked to forfeit their credentials and probably would loose tenure. It is also worth mentioning this study is frequently given the reputation of having discovered some deeply disturbing secrets about humanity or something. But it just doesn't. It was hardly scientific, the demographics and selection bias were a mess, and the entire thing had to be called off because of poor management. It IS a great insight into how a sycophant can manipulate people into doing things they normally wouldn't...
This is fascinating, but very flawed. The fact is, the “guards” weren’t really guards, and the “prisoners” weren’t really prisoners. The participant’s motivation was the $12 dollars a day, and not against their will like in real life. No one’s livelihood was at stake. Interesting tho.
It was never really about prison life, more to show how power is abused, even when it isn't real. The idea is that when people are given power over others they will abuse it. not always but it does happen often :)
@@clairedutoit6111 yeah not really. This experiment has been debunked to death. It was meant to represent hell people in power can become sadistic and bad. It was also used as a way to try to justify war criminals in the US military in Iraq
@@micahdadbeh5955 but you've suggested what I suggested, that it was never about prisons it was about power being abused. I agree the study is bad and has been shown to be unreliable and invalid. But since things like this do happen in real life like the war criminal case in Abu-Ghraib its clear that when there is the opportunity to abuse power people will. I wasn't suggesting anything but that so, I'm not sure why you disagreed to simply reiterate what I had said.
I've heard of this before but never knew the details; The thing that stuns me the most is that they had to send 2/3rds of "Normal" people home as they were not fit for the test. Imagine what the results would have been like if they were.
My father went under hypnosis by Dr. Zimbardo. He didn’t tell me what it was for but he was his professor. He also said this study took place in the basement of his dorm building. He was on the second floor and legit had no idea about this until he graduated.
I dunno.. Harlow's 'Pit Of Despair' experiment is a pretty good competitor for 'Most Disturbing Study' title. Not so much for the effects it caused in the subjects, as what it says about us as experimenters.
@@MrVuckFiacom , Unit 731 makes Nazi experimenters look like choir boys. The real disgusting part: General Douglas MacArthur secretly granted immunity to everyone involved with Unit 731, in exchange for the data generated by those experimentation. If it wasn't for the Soviet prosecution of a dozen or so members of Unit 731, most had been spirited away to American occupied territory and thus out of jurisdiction of the Soviets, we might never have heard about any of this. Of course, the United States claimed any trial against Unit 731 was nothing more then propaganda. There where over 3,600 'researchers' working within this unit and two other daughter units... and they got away with it.
LongJohn Liverpool Definitely. We attended the conference having already discussed and torn his experiment to pieces. That book covers his theories with different real world examples though.
Thank you again Weird History Narrator for another interesting video. Unfortunately this experiment was doomed to fail to begin with since Dr Zimbardo should have known you don't give random power to any college student...so glad I survived Univ of Calif psych experiments without becoming a psychopath.
While it may have been failure in what it set out to do, it's a interesting study on how researchers will sometimes sabotage their own studies, knowingly or not, to prove a theory.
Ugh. I had a roommate in college who was a psychology major and she met Zimbardo at an academic conference. She was so excited to meet the "genius" in the flesh and didn't want to hear anything about his extremely questionable ethics.
_"[...] the most disturbing study ever conducted"_ I honestly don't think it comes anywhere close to the "studies" done by Josef Mengele (conducting horrific experiments on one of a pair of twins, then killing the other twin when the first dies to create _comparative post-mortem reports_ of what the experiments resulted in), nor to the ones conducted by Unit 731 during the same time period.
This is one of the better videos I've seen on this topic. The movie (simply titled The Stanford Prison Experiment) is a REALLY good film that depicts this study very accurately.
wow that was the most relevant thing we could talk about in the comments section of a video that is really not not about the stanford prison experiment
@@Mr-.Facts. Thank you, thank you. I'm just a fan of StarKid, a theater company that writes and produces their own musicals and put them up on TH-cam for free. My profile picture and name are references to two of their shows, Black Friday and Firebringer.
Little known fact about Zimbardo is that he has funded a very unknown company named Vault-Tec. It's a legitimate company that has interest in human psychology that are contained within small spaces and I hear its also partiality government funded. They do amazing work and are very concerned about the well being of the populace.
I feel like many of your facts were misinformed. You should watch the Mind Field episode on the subject where Michael Stevens sits down and interviews Zimbardo and his Wife. You made it sound like this random lady was brought on, but Zimbardo was, in fact, in a relationship with her at the time. She threatened to leave him if he didn't stop the "experiment", and only then did he realize the magnitude of his behavior and shut it down.
I regretfully admit that I had to pull 45 days for possession of Marijuana. It sucked but it wasn't something to make me want to cry or flip out. Same thing for Basic Training. They are quite similar really.
The problem with this experiment is that was tainted from the very beginning. The guards were told to be as sadistic as possible. Can you please cover The Third Wave experiment on which the book The Wave was based?
This refers to actual hat makers in the Victorian era, that we're unaware that one of the products used in the hat making process had mercury in it, the vapors that were put off during a specific step filled the area, and proved to be poisonous, and also deadly in some cases..
Considering there's reports of prison guards abusing their power all the time I don't think the students were told how to treat one another. Some people get into a seat of power and almost immediately begin to abuse it. This is why we need reforms in our prisons.
Can you do a video about the Tarahumara tribe of Mexico, they were really well known for being really good at running long distances. To this day they are still entering races through the desert and taking 1st place while sometimes completely barefoot. They were also very well known for making the most comfortable sandals ever. Something Roman Legionaries would have envied.
Do a video about "3 identical strangers" and how they split up twins and triplets for a psychological study and still have yet to release their findings in the study itself and their reasonings
Ironically, the only real case of certain "qualities in it's participants" being "brought out" is Dr Zimbardo himself. As he was the only one to become wrapped up in the character he portrayed in the experiment, whereas all the others were told to act the way they did. So, technically (even though his experiment was said to be flawed, because the subjects were told what to do and how to act), it was actually successful on a very small scale. Of course, there's a good chance that Zimbardo was merely acting himself when he said he'd finally realized how he was becoming.
You'd be surprised how quickly people can forget they are in a scenario. I saw it happen super quick when going through SERE training. SERE isn't out of control like this experiment but many of my classmates embodied their roles incredibly quick. And forgot we'd only have to spend about 3-4 days in a the "prisoner of war camp". We had a few break down from stress and that was without the teachers playing guards and terrorists causing any real harm to us physically and mentally.
he did not randomly select his students, there was a magazine published asking for ppl who were interested in getting paid to be a prison guard. on top of that he told the guards exactly how to act. this whole experiment was faulty and isn’t taken into much consideration now. zimbordo made the experiment work how he wanted it to…
Watching the film based on the experiment at the moment, and had to stop watching from uncomfortability. The acting is honestly so good that I feel indifferent about the actors in normal life now. I'm truly confused how the professor wasn't sued, or charged with something. This is one of those "in the name of science" situations that truly shouldn't have happened.
This is proof training needs to be priority #1. There is a more recent study that happend in the CHAZ/CHOP. They tried their own police and we all seen how that turned out. Now does this mean every "trained" guard/police is the best....no. bad people slip into every role in a society.
The findings of Zimbardo's experiment is scientifically weak due to the study being laden with bias and error. It is challenging to derive concrete scientific conclusions from this. Do you have a source for the CHAZ/ CHOP study that you mentioned, It's hard to believe that a scientific study was competently done in such a small time frame. Cheers.
@@Lwilight I was being facetious about the CHAZ/CHOP. There is no study but the fact of the matter is you cant have the common person become a police/security officer without proper training. We have done this for hundreds of years with the military and police.
Except that there is no proof.. Because it was all influenced by the person who made the study. You're not meant to tell people the outcome you want as it will shape how the people act.
@@Zara-oj5ld not that I don't agree, I've just seen this happen way too many times in life before I've watched any 'experiment'. Also you can say that they do actually train guards like that in real life, Soo🙄. They were influenced too?
Great video!! Would you do one on unit 731 experiment please? It’s probably the most horrific experiment ever conducted. Thanks and much love to this channel!!!
I think that the current psychologists are calling it a sham because they dont want to admit to themselves that anyone including themselves could have fallen victim to taking their role as the prison superintendent too seriously. Dangerous thinking.
I recall a study involving participants delivering shocks to others. The shocks increased in intensity. The participants would deliver shocks when ordered to by an authority figure, up to levels that would have been damaging or fatal. Which I believe were delivered by the participants, they did not know the shocks were not actually delivered to the other participants. The Milgram Shock Experiment.
Yeah this has since been debunked. It was an incredibly biased experiment, as Zimbardo prompted certain behavior from participants, so the results garnered are in no way inherent of human behavior or tendencies. Several researchers have tried to recreate this study with the proper protocol and none of them have been able to produce the same results. Not to mention, the subject pool was a group of white men financially fortunate enough to be able to attend college. So like, lol, what about every other type of person??
Anyone remember Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, the famous Marine WW2 fighter pilot? They made a TV show about him and his squadron, called Black Sheep Squadron that ran in the late 70s, early 80s. But, I read his autobiography. On his last mission, he was shot down, captured and sent to a "special" POW camp. He wrote about this time in the camp, and one thing stuck with me. The guards were made up of two groups. Veterans, who were not fit for frontline duty because of wounds, some of them horrible. The other group were young men right out of school who had not been assigned to a frontline unit yet. Teenagers, kids. Who do you think were the cruel guards? The wounded veterans, or the kids right out of school? That's right, the kids. The wounded veterans actually were sympathetic to the prisons. The teens would beat the prisoners with bats, humiliate them, make them sing in the snow all winter (they loved Christmas carols, even if they couldn't understand them) and deprived them of food and Red Cross packages. When word of the Japanese surrender reached the camp, the veterans herded all the prisoners into barracks and gave them hammers and nails to force their doors shut from the inside. That night, the kid guards got drunk, grabbed their swords and tried to break into the barracks, to kill all the prisoners. It was only the doors, nailed shut, that saved their lives. What does that tell you about who should be a guard?
I got my psych degree in 2008. When students were still taught to respect this study...And I still do. Was the methodology great? Nope, did it help us learn a ton about psychology and power dynamics? 180%.
Yes. It's quite common on a certain News Break app. Ppl don't read the article. They just go to the comments and put down anything, without bothering to read. They feel entitled to just get their opinion out, that's all, even if it's blatantly wrong.🙄
I'm guilty of this. I will also post multiple times if there are multiple points to address. It is a sign that I am using TH-cam to distract myself from crippling depressive thoughts....
If only people learn from this... seems so simple to fix us! , Just tell/remind/train people of authority & power that one random day they will be imprisoned & get worse treatment. But if they Use #1 rule of Respect & do unto others, they’ll get the same when it’s their turn? 🧠 Brain-fart💨
prison guards have arguments with their loved ones or get into debt or have internal issues and then go to work and systematically take it out on people.. it doesn't have to be like this if you put rules and regulations in place.. but it seems once one person becomes toxic the rest follow You have to be a special kinda person to not become this.
My gut tells me that the "rest" do not follow, they merely look the other way. And, this would explain the behavior of our Police Departments. Another example is the comedy of Sacha Baron Cohen and the incident involving his character "BORAT" singing "Throw the Jew down the well" at some conservative political event. ( you can google it ). Cohen commented that the vast majority looked on while a small minority actually sang the song. Only another small minority walked away.
@@someguy7842 Yes.. This is obvious to anyone that watched this video.. or has done their own research.. I have done both. What you're saying is...Basically because they were lead in a certain way they behaved in a certain way.. which is true... but prison guards are also told to behave in this way. Regardless what i said.. was about the prison system and how real guards may behave You should read what is written instead of wanting to be known as the person who knows more
Maybe they just wanted people reading later to have enough information to understand your point better. A discussion doesn't have to devolve into dissent on every criticism.
Zimbardo was the true sadist in this whole experiment. He placed orders to certain guards to act the bad guys to humiliate the prisoners. Nowadays, his professional license would've been stripped and likely served a bit of time in prison.
I want to know the psychology of the guards after the experiment ended. how does someone become that evil and then just be like "ok, see you in physics class, Robert!"
Have you found the results?? Just seeing this and would love to hear them... Ok I'll go and try to find em too. :)
you should hear about fraternity hazing lol (but also not lol)
It’s like that one purge skit where four guys go to Denny’s after trying to bash someone’s head in.
It would seem to be a lot like how Caucasians deal with postslavery, out of sight out of mind.
I would be interested in that too
The professor told and encouraged the guards to be sadistic, so it's not like this just happened.
exactly. the guards were following his orders otherwise he would've put a stop to their sadistic behavior much sooner.
I hate that no one knows this. It's so annoying seeing people use this incredibly flawed study to fit their narratives...
And the kid that 'went insane' faked it so he could get out of the experiment and go do his finals.
So if a professor told and encouraged you to molest a child in the name of science .... would you? If the answer is yes, you have a weak mind.
The point of this is that if someone within a position of power and authority condones the morally abhorrent behaviour seen in these studies, it normalises it for 90% of human adults chosen at random. They then begin, for whatever reason, to commit these behaviours themselves.
So authority is one of the most dangerous and decisive things in our society currently.
Where did you get this info? I never knew this.
Who listens to these videos like a podcast while scrolling through the comments
You mean like every video on TH-cam?
I see your point Brantley
@@brantleyhester6641 who hurt you?
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I love how they finally brought a woman in to interview them and she was the only person to see how crazy everyone was acting 😂
Agreed..!
I wonder. . .would the same thing happen if we were able to replicate this experiment with women? I have the feeling that Dr Zimbardo planned on doing the same thing with different social circles like black men, white women. I don't think anyone can replicate this study... because my oh my did this experiement go so so wrong.
Just seeing pictures of all the male participants that’s one of the first things I said to myself, y’all needed to have some women to curb this nonsense. I very much agree with Abdullah Ocalan’s feminist approach to democratic organization. There should always be equal man and woman etc delegates. And in many instances women should be deferred to for final judgements, to curtail the patriarchal psychology that has dominated men for centuries now. That’s probably a crude simplification but gets across my feelings on it
Yeah, cause women are never crazy.
the irony. nah but real shit Woman soften men. The right woman can be healing.
The moment he decided to be a part of the experiment instead of an observer x.x There's a reason for protocols.
Please do the Milgrim experiment next. Fascinating, and scary as hell in a similar way.
The Milgrim experiment was even more disturbing
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I second this recommendation
@@jevinday I third it!! 😉
I fourth it😁
Having been in jail for a couple months here and there, I would say that there is only one type of guard. The sadistic asshole that enjoys messing with people, the tough but fair guy, and the nice one that does favors for prisoners. Every guard, in my experience, embodies all of these traits. What differs is the groups that they show which traits to.
Michael French what if they gay?
1C3 HI i think that’s irrelevant to what he means 😅
@@Keaweahe are you referring to the prisoner, guard, ..............or both?
steve ducell the guard
Concur!
I did meet one guard who enjoyed messing with other guards, was really kind to all the prisoners, but did ensure you never broke a policy such as touching his podium. He even has a tale that this outlook, this 'be kind to the prisoners,' saved his life when he was recognized at a bar in Mexico by former prisoners who had been deported. Instead of taking him out the back and putting a bullet in him, as he feared they would, they purchased him drinks for 'being one of the few good ones.'
Hey, Wade, I know you are not reading this but - Thanks for not making that mess even worse!
P.S:
Fuck I.C.E. for not even looking at my paperwork, detained for three months before they 'realized their mistake!'
I think the most interesting aspect of this study is that the guards that were particularly cruel never saw it as such, never drew a line for themselves or stopped to ask if they were doing was right, regardless of whatever orders they were given
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It's because it was a joke and a game to them you act like they thought it was real life bahahaha
I think the most interesting aspect is that sick Nazzee Germanee type shite goes on in American universities, and that the 'science' of psychology is quite perverse, and almost devoid of anything useful or definitive. The experiment itself is nothing, it's just depravity, there's no takeaway, no important, thought-provoking addition to our body of psychology knowledge. The guy should be in jail, and Stanford should have suffered some sort of criminal consequences, not merely any monetary damages. They call that 'publish or perish'. You gotta justify your existence as an academic or you're out. And there's no discipline like psychology that goes down some dark rabbit holes in the search of such self-justification. It really is a disgrace as far as worthy intellectual pursuit goes, if not an outright pseudo science.
"The most disturbing studies ever."
Josef Mengele: "Am i joke to you?"
Guillermo Ibarra: That wasn’t even science.
Imperial Japan also did horrible medical “experiments” (and many other bad things) to people in China and Korea... much of this was never heard of in the Western world.
@@joermnyc Yeah unit 731, and it was considered science, since the US pardon the man in charged Shiro Ishi in exchange of the research
@@joermnyc what's so insane to me is how not so long ago places like that were "liberated". This shit isn't that far in our past and so many people wanna act like hell doesnt continue to happen here. Interesting reads though haha.
Haha my first thought.
It's disturbing but any psych major will tell you it was largely confounded. It's not quite as ''telling" about human behavior as one might thing - the role that Zimbardo played in the study entirely skewed the results.
Agreed, Zimbardo had no business in a role in the experiment.
Did it? You can say the “experiment” was flawed in major ways (which it was; certainly it wouldn’t be considered a legitimate psych experiment based on methodology), or you can look at the flaws as other aspects of a bigger, even less-controlled experiment. Zimbardo thought of that hallway as HIS “prison”, where HE was the final authority. and his attitude trickled down to everyone else from the “parole board” to the “guards” to the “prisoners”.
As a psych major who just finished watching the made movie about this event, psychology is now considering Ethical standard on experiment. Any injury to the participants will be all held accountable to the experimenter
“Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist, Dr. Zimbardo!”
Pretty much this, which is annoying as the question wasn't a bad one.
Underrated comment 🤣🤣
Yeah, it’s from Ghostbusters...waddau want?
David Griener 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
“What? It’s not even scratch and sniff? But if rich people think it’s good, I’ll buy it. One art, please!”
- Dr. Zoidberg.
Wasn’t a big part of the reason why this case was so infamous was because participants were supposedly allowed to leave at any time, yet every time prisoners came forward to leave, Zimbardo and the other researchers would basically shame/coax them into staying? I could be wrong but pretty sure that’s what my psych teacher taught me
Yeah but people want the money. I paid was pretty high
Was just a long line of discredited studies from Sanford.
Sanford? Or Stanford lol
Robert Drake But what about his son?
@@ddk999 hahahaha
I worked in a federal max security federal prison. Many of the guards were jerks, mostly to other staff. Most of the inmates were relatively decent, even the murderers. New guards were, with little compassion by other guards, harassed like you wouldn’t believe. After I started work, there were about 150 guards who quit after about 6 months. The only real difference between guards and inmates were that the guards got to go home after the shift ended.
Few guards wanted to work overtime, so the supervisors actually locked the prison doors until somebody would volunteer (because of the union contract, they couldn’t force guards to work overtime).
One time, I asked for batteries for my flashlight (used for count), and the supervisor told me to steal them from the inmates. There was a very fine line between inmates and staff.
I’d rather work in a barn and swim around in cow poop than work in a federal prison. It makes death seem desirable, LOL.
That escalated quickly... 😕😠
@Egg T 😎 Prison is a state of mind... Une état d'âmes... Ein Geisteszustand.
Freedom, just as well. 😏😉
Just like TH-cam arguments.
XPECTED Lmao
This whole experiment is disturbing. It gives me chills. 😱
it has been debunked.
the P's were instructed on how to behave
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There are more disturbing psychological experiments than this.
Like little albert
Most disturbing experiment? *laughs in Tuskegee experiment survivor"
What's that experiment?
@@oDM0o the government infected a group of black citizens with the syphilis virus so they could study illness. The participants where unaware and lied too
@@califreak101 , oh.
I cannot believe that...like, wow o_o
Right
That experiment has been debunked several times. The video only mentions it at the very end. Zimbardo guided the guards and told them what they should do. So it wasn't the guards being cruel, but Zimbardo who wanted to get certain results to proof his hypothesis. In several attempts to recreate the study's results where the guards were not guided it didn't create the same results. Google the study and research for yourselves.
I did google, for studies replicating the experiment. I found articles criticizing the methodology, but no actual attempts of replication.
Can you help me out?
The immediate corruption seemed almost silly to me, the only time mentally stable humans get this way against there will is usually through starvation and other loss of basic NECESSITIES (not basic comforts). Altruism just doesn’t evaporate that quickly in normal people. Thanks for bringing this up. Frans De Waal has a really neat observation of this in small African tribes with severe food shortages
I wish I had ran across your comment before posting my own! I could have saved myself a lot of time echoing a post that was better than my own!
@@steveducell2158 Watch this video from VSauce, they did a good replication experiment: th-cam.com/video/KND_bBDE8RQ/w-d-xo.html
Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Similar_studies
Even with Zimbardo influencing the guards behavior, it’s still telling that the guards listened and behaved accordingly. It’s not a perfect experiment, but it also wasn’t a waste. It also says something about how people in power, in this case the researchers, fall prey to expectations and satisfying a role, and what they were willing to do to accomplish their goal.
I spent 15 fifteen yearsin prison, and fifteen years prior as a ax sheriff in nyc. I understand both roles. Reality is far worse than the experiment, as most people don’t realize. There isn’t any “you had enough,walk away”. Heart-breaking, really. I heard more war stories than Walt Disney could tell.
Put us in situations we can't control and our true colors come out every time.
this expt has been debunked on many grounds
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@@someguy7842 maybe this one wasn't credible, but there are still many other experiments that prove the same
@@someguy7842 this experiment to an extent was tainted. There's still plenty of data in historical basis.
🔎 Lowest common denominator:
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
😏😉
@@BigMamaDaveX not always....
Sometimes it gives people the ability to do good things..
This one always boils my blood! The guards were coached and that is what makes it all the more vile. The necessary follow up care of the “prisoners” was inadequate to say the the least.
Yeah this reminds me of the blue eye brown eye test. Which was very controversial but it did open up eyes.
I remember watching that, how quickly bias was ingrained into those kids was insane. They were willing to believe they were better/worse, and it actually effected their performance in class.
this expt has been debunked many times
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Don't get me started on *THAT* {stupid} NAZISM inspired experiment 😤🇦🇺
@@Friendship1nmillion cry me a river honey.
You gotta open up them eyes to see which group to those kids are going to belong.
The amount of power given to perceived authority is life threatening. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PARENTS should be scrutinized and tested before they are allowed to raise their babies/children. Society scrutinizes prospective drivers with books and driving tests before they are allowed to drive a vehicle, but anyone is allowed to raise/influence a baby/human life just because they had s&x. What kind of society is this????
Yikes... and who gets to decide what determines a good parent or not? Who scrutinizes the scrutinizers? There are bad parents, for sure, but the when someone else gets to decide who is or who is not, then you'll end up with decisions made based on political differences or discrimination.
I agree with you, even more so as I get older. We used to have to have licences for dogs, we have to undergo training and pass exams to do jobs, but anybody can have a child. In the grand scheme of things that is quire terrifying when you see the state of a lot of us.
Umm, are you aware of the Bavenvaret in Norway?
The Stanley Milgram electric shock experiment was even crazier and more disturbing. People were willing to inflict mortal damage against a person because an authority figure told them it was ok.
That has been so applicable when seeing gthe events in the USA and the world over the past 2 years.
@@randyw7237 what events?
@@U.E-o4w have you been asleep?
@@JoyinFlorida I was just wondering when something like this happened in the US because I’m not American. You could’ve just ignored my comment.
@@U.E-o4w I didn't mean anything by it except the actual comment of, have you been asleep? Events unlike EVER before in history have been taking place worldwide over the past 2 years so your comment struck me as funny?😊 But if you meant THAT event it was decades ago.
There’s a movie about this..it was on Netflix before. Very anxiety inducing.
Would you happen to remember the name? I would love to see it.
Julius Brown I think it’s simply called the Stanford prison experiment
Yeah I think I remember that, It was an reenactment of how it went down. Don't remember it being in documentary style though.
The acting was great
I gotta see this
I watched an interview with that featured Dr Zimbardo and a few of the "guards" Not once did the "guards" say that they were told to behave a certain way or get specific results. Actually it seemed like it was the opposite, the guard was shocked at how quickly he took to being a "bad guy" . The man had to internalize and reflect upon himself for a long time after that. I wish i could find that video so i could share with here with you guys. To be clear, I am not giving credit to Dr Zimbardo, or to this study.. I'm just saying none of us know what really was said to the guards or the prisoners; we only have a small amount of facts to work with... I also don't know much if anything about the Doctor, so i don't feel justified comparing him to the actual criminal Mengela or anyone remotely like that.
Yes, I remember seeing that video, too. If my memory serves, I think it was filmed in the early to mid 70s.
Also, wasn't this experiment, along with the Milgram one, the entire reason why there was such a push for ethics boards and definite guidelines on human experimentation in the mid 70s?
"The most disturbing study ever conducted"
You've clearly never researched research studies.
Did you gear about the japanese study, where they tried to keep alive a radiated person, until he started to decompose.
That was disturbing
But to be fair, this rubric is about psychological studies
@@Cardinalbins To be fair, they chose not to include that qualifier in the title.
Learning about this experiment during my first or second university year as a psychology major made me completely star-struck when I finally got to attend a lecture by dr. Zimbardo in my final year and getting to meet him in person. Fast forward two years later, when in my final Research Master year I worked on a research project with a social psychologist who designed a multiplayer computer game for the use of experiments and the final boss was named “Zimbardo”. 🤣 Now it is impossible of me to separate Zimbardo the scientist from Zimbardo the monster 🤣
I would say that the environment itself had quite a bit to do with the mental and emotional reactions of the inmates. There was definitely sensory deprivation going on and that can have a profound effect. I was in a really crappy mental institution where similar things were going on. I came out of that with PTSD and a lot of anger. I think the anger was what kept me from ending up going back in there again like so many others. They call that the "revolving door syndrome".
To this day, I still can't believe this was a legitimate thing.
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it wasnt
the point of the experiment was setting a precedent, it is not like they could predict this in any way or form. it was expected for everyone involved to be fully aware it was an experiment at all times and that anyone crossing the line would be called out by everyone else. then their DnD session when straight to hell
@blackjewgrl hatesBLM You're suggesting you want to volunteer?
It wasn't staged but it wasn't legit. If a researcher tried to do this study in the US today, they wouldn't be celebrated like we celebrate zimbardo, they would be asked to forfeit their credentials and probably would loose tenure. It is also worth mentioning this study is frequently given the reputation of having discovered some deeply disturbing secrets about humanity or something. But it just doesn't. It was hardly scientific, the demographics and selection bias were a mess, and the entire thing had to be called off because of poor management. It IS a great insight into how a sycophant can manipulate people into doing things they normally wouldn't...
You're right not to believe it. It was the one of the most fake scientific experiments of all time.
Things like this happen in jails everyday and go unnoticed
I don’t like it. I don’t want People to suffer like this 😭 I’m crying. I wanna help. How. Nobody deserves to be treated like this.
This is fascinating, but very flawed. The fact is, the “guards” weren’t really guards, and the “prisoners” weren’t really prisoners. The participant’s motivation was the $12 dollars a day, and not against their will like in real life. No one’s livelihood was at stake. Interesting tho.
It was never really about prison life, more to show how power is abused, even when it isn't real. The idea is that when people are given power over others they will abuse it. not always but it does happen often :)
@@clairedutoit6111 yeah not really. This experiment has been debunked to death. It was meant to represent hell people in power can become sadistic and bad. It was also used as a way to try to justify war criminals in the US military in Iraq
@@micahdadbeh5955 but you've suggested what I suggested, that it was never about prisons it was about power being abused. I agree the study is bad and has been shown to be unreliable and invalid. But since things like this do happen in real life like the war criminal case in Abu-Ghraib its clear that when there is the opportunity to abuse power people will.
I wasn't suggesting anything but that so, I'm not sure why you disagreed to simply reiterate what I had said.
$15*
I've heard of this before but never knew the details; The thing that stuns me the most is that they had to send 2/3rds of "Normal" people home as they were not fit for the test. Imagine what the results would have been like if they were.
My father went under hypnosis by Dr. Zimbardo. He didn’t tell me what it was for but he was his professor. He also said this study took place in the basement of his dorm building. He was on the second floor and legit had no idea about this until he graduated.
I dunno.. Harlow's 'Pit Of Despair' experiment is a pretty good competitor for 'Most Disturbing Study' title.
Not so much for the effects it caused in the subjects, as what it says about us as experimenters.
I think the Nazis take the cake for most messed up experiments unfortunately.
@@MrVuckFiacom ,
Unit 731 makes Nazi experimenters look like choir boys.
The real disgusting part:
General Douglas MacArthur secretly granted immunity to everyone involved with Unit 731, in exchange for the data generated by those experimentation. If it wasn't for the Soviet prosecution of a dozen or so members of Unit 731, most had been spirited away to American occupied territory and thus out of jurisdiction of the Soviets, we might never have heard about any of this. Of course, the United States claimed any trial against Unit 731 was nothing more then propaganda.
There where over 3,600 'researchers' working within this unit and two other daughter units... and they got away with it.
Imagine what would happen to someone’s mental state if there was cruel and unusual punishment on someone for long periods of time..
Met Professor Zimbardo at a lecture about 10 years ago and he signed my copy of The Lucifer Effect. Really entertaining guy
Entertaining is the key word...
LongJohn Liverpool Definitely. We attended the conference having already discussed and torn his experiment to pieces. That book covers his theories with different real world examples though.
A true 🤡 indeed. Let’s put him in the circus and see him perform 😎
Such a powerful video. The mind is like putty. Can be easily molded into whatever direction it's told.
Please do a show on the Civil War and Libby Prison.
Love your work!
Actually you should look into the backgrounds of these folks, most are shady at best.
"these folks" who?
As a former marine, learning about this was pretty eye opening.
A+ video!
LOVE IT! Awesome seeing a famous sociology/social psychology case made into a Weird History video!
Thank you again Weird History Narrator for another interesting video. Unfortunately this experiment was doomed to fail to begin with since Dr Zimbardo should have known you don't give random power to any college student...so glad I survived Univ of Calif psych experiments without becoming a psychopath.
While it may have been failure in what it set out to do, it's a interesting study on how researchers will sometimes sabotage their own studies, knowingly or not, to prove a theory.
Ugh. I had a roommate in college who was a psychology major and she met Zimbardo at an academic conference. She was so excited to meet the "genius" in the flesh and didn't want to hear anything about his extremely questionable ethics.
I was a psych major. Studied this. Your version is more accurate and more relatable. Thanks.
So early there's no comments to scroll through 😑
lol
Please do a video on Unit 731! Love your content. One of my favorite TH-cam channels!!
_"[...] the most disturbing study ever conducted"_
I honestly don't think it comes anywhere close to the "studies" done by Josef Mengele (conducting horrific experiments on one of a pair of twins, then killing the other twin when the first dies to create _comparative post-mortem reports_ of what the experiments resulted in), nor to the ones conducted by Unit 731 during the same time period.
This is one of the better videos I've seen on this topic. The movie (simply titled The Stanford Prison Experiment) is a REALLY good film that depicts this study very accurately.
My wife and I talk about Zombardo often. I love her.
You love your wife or Zimbardo?? Zimbardo was a man.
Maybe do a video on Hans Asperger, the guy who discovered Asperger’s Syndrome.
Fact: Some birds can sleep while flying
That was unrelated to the video, but very interesting! Weird fact of the day.
wow that was the most relevant thing we could talk about in the comments section of a video that is really not
not about the stanford prison experiment
@@squirrels24sevenYea i just had to let you know
@@duckislord7187 amazing profile picture, not to speak about your profile name😂
@@Mr-.Facts. Thank you, thank you. I'm just a fan of StarKid, a theater company that writes and produces their own musicals and put them up on TH-cam for free. My profile picture and name are references to two of their shows, Black Friday and Firebringer.
Zimbardo was my psychology professor at college in the 1980s, he really really liked to talk about this!
Little known fact about Zimbardo is that he has funded a very unknown company named Vault-Tec. It's a legitimate company that has interest in human psychology that are contained within small spaces and I hear its also partiality government funded. They do amazing work and are very concerned about the well being of the populace.
I feel like many of your facts were misinformed. You should watch the Mind Field episode on the subject where Michael Stevens sits down and interviews Zimbardo and his Wife. You made it sound like this random lady was brought on, but Zimbardo was, in fact, in a relationship with her at the time. She threatened to leave him if he didn't stop the "experiment", and only then did he realize the magnitude of his behavior and shut it down.
Please do a similar video on Stanley Milgram's study on obedience to authority!
My ex while in college for psychiatry studied this. I'm glad to see this upload. Thank you!!
I regretfully admit that I had to pull 45 days for possession of Marijuana. It sucked but it wasn't something to make me want to cry or flip out. Same thing for Basic Training. They are quite similar really.
The problem with this experiment is that was tainted from the very beginning. The guards were told to be as sadistic as possible. Can you please cover The Third Wave experiment on which the book The Wave was based?
hey you should do a video about hat makers going mad, and the cause, I feel like it would make a pretty cool history video
This refers to actual hat makers in the Victorian era, that we're unaware that one of the products used in the hat making process had mercury in it, the vapors that were put off during a specific step filled the area, and proved to be poisonous, and also deadly in some cases..
Do the experiment on "Obedience." One of the most well-known psychological studies. Shows how far one will go if someone else "takes responsibility."
It’s too early, just pretend I said something witty and relevant to the video lmao
no
This is true. It started as a genuine search for knowledge. But it quickly descended into horror.
The Stanford prison experiment does work, it’s called boot camp.
No similarity whatsoever between boot camp and this experiment.
Please do Unit 731 .I love binge watching this channel and feeding my curiosity with all these facts and stories ❤
Didn’t participants come forward and say they were couched on how to behave?
Considering there's reports of prison guards abusing their power all the time I don't think the students were told how to treat one another. Some people get into a seat of power and almost immediately begin to abuse it. This is why we need reforms in our prisons.
Can you do a video about the Tarahumara tribe of Mexico, they were really well known for being really good at running long distances.
To this day they are still entering races through the desert and taking 1st place while sometimes completely barefoot.
They were also very well known for making the most comfortable sandals ever. Something Roman Legionaries would have envied.
Do a video about "3 identical strangers" and how they split up twins and triplets for a psychological study and still have yet to release their findings in the study itself and their reasonings
Dr. Zimbardo sounds like a stereotypical villain name...
Ironically, the only real case of certain "qualities in it's participants" being "brought out" is Dr Zimbardo himself. As he was the only one to become wrapped up in the character he portrayed in the experiment, whereas all the others were told to act the way they did. So, technically (even though his experiment was said to be flawed, because the subjects were told what to do and how to act), it was actually successful on a very small scale. Of course, there's a good chance that Zimbardo was merely acting himself when he said he'd finally realized how he was becoming.
😂this happened in my home town. I wasn't born yet but still kind of crazy
Are you serious. You're so lucky.
What's there to laugh about it?
@@SantoshKumar-ws2qz LOL
You'd be surprised how quickly people can forget they are in a scenario. I saw it happen super quick when going through SERE training. SERE isn't out of control like this experiment but many of my classmates embodied their roles incredibly quick. And forgot we'd only have to spend about 3-4 days in a the "prisoner of war camp". We had a few break down from stress and that was without the teachers playing guards and terrorists causing any real harm to us physically and mentally.
all i have say is,
its scary how the human mind works
he did not randomly select his students, there was a magazine published asking for ppl who were interested in getting paid to be a prison guard. on top of that he told the guards exactly how to act. this whole experiment was faulty and isn’t taken into much consideration now. zimbordo made the experiment work how he wanted it to…
Do unit 731 experiment next!
Watching the film based on the experiment at the moment, and had to stop watching from uncomfortability. The acting is honestly so good that I feel indifferent about the actors in normal life now. I'm truly confused how the professor wasn't sued, or charged with something. This is one of those "in the name of science" situations that truly shouldn't have happened.
This is proof training needs to be priority #1. There is a more recent study that happend in the CHAZ/CHOP. They tried their own police and we all seen how that turned out. Now does this mean every "trained" guard/police is the best....no. bad people slip into every role in a society.
We do, in fact, live in a society...
The findings of Zimbardo's experiment is scientifically weak due to the study being laden with bias and error. It is challenging to derive concrete scientific conclusions from this. Do you have a source for the CHAZ/ CHOP study that you mentioned, It's hard to believe that a scientific study was competently done in such a small time frame. Cheers.
@@Lwilight I was being facetious about the CHAZ/CHOP. There is no study but the fact of the matter is you cant have the common person become a police/security officer without proper training. We have done this for hundreds of years with the military and police.
@@doughopkinsjr oh I see, that's fair.
Talk about the Syphilis experiment at Tuskegee institute
when you decide to go be part of the eperiment but then...
Edit thats a lot of likes thx
but then you are instructed on how to behave by the researcher
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@@someguy7842 you're type obsessed omg why do you keep repeating this WE KNOW
These guys took Role-Play to another level
Further proof that our system needs a rework
Except that there is no proof.. Because it was all influenced by the person who made the study. You're not meant to tell people the outcome you want as it will shape how the people act.
Actually the professor told and encouraged the guards to be sadistic
I thank both you gentlmen for pointing this out
@@Zara-oj5ld not that I don't agree, I've just seen this happen way too many times in life before I've watched any 'experiment'. Also you can say that they do actually train guards like that in real life, Soo🙄. They were influenced too?
i like this channel so much, been following the updates since the first video, and totally never disappointing❤️❤️❤️
The CHAZ/CHOP just proved it again. This time with deadly consequences.
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this expt has been debunked
Great video!! Would you do one on unit 731 experiment please? It’s probably the most horrific experiment ever conducted. Thanks and much love to this channel!!!
Good suggestion Local Honey!!
I think that the current psychologists are calling it a sham because they dont want to admit to themselves that anyone including themselves could have fallen victim to taking their role as the prison superintendent too seriously. Dangerous thinking.
I recall a study involving participants delivering shocks to others. The shocks increased in intensity. The participants would deliver shocks when ordered to by an authority figure, up to levels that would have been damaging or fatal. Which I believe were delivered by the participants, they did not know the shocks were not actually delivered to the other participants. The Milgram Shock Experiment.
Yeah this has since been debunked. It was an incredibly biased experiment, as Zimbardo prompted certain behavior from participants, so the results garnered are in no way inherent of human behavior or tendencies. Several researchers have tried to recreate this study with the proper protocol and none of them have been able to produce the same results. Not to mention, the subject pool was a group of white men financially fortunate enough to be able to attend college. So like, lol, what about every other type of person??
Ah yes. Been debunked... That's why the people who were the guards themselves said they don't know why they did what they did.
Anyone remember Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, the famous Marine WW2 fighter pilot? They made a TV show about him and his squadron, called Black Sheep Squadron that ran in the late 70s, early 80s. But, I read his autobiography.
On his last mission, he was shot down, captured and sent to a "special" POW camp.
He wrote about this time in the camp, and one thing stuck with me. The guards were made up of two groups. Veterans, who were not fit for frontline duty because of wounds, some of them horrible. The other group were young men right out of school who had not been assigned to a frontline unit yet. Teenagers, kids.
Who do you think were the cruel guards? The wounded veterans, or the kids right out of school? That's right, the kids. The wounded veterans actually were sympathetic to the prisons. The teens would beat the prisoners with bats, humiliate them, make them sing in the snow all winter (they loved Christmas carols, even if they couldn't understand them) and deprived them of food and Red Cross packages.
When word of the Japanese surrender reached the camp, the veterans herded all the prisoners into barracks and gave them hammers and nails to force their doors shut from the inside. That night, the kid guards got drunk, grabbed their swords and tried to break into the barracks, to kill all the prisoners. It was only the doors, nailed shut, that saved their lives.
What does that tell you about who should be a guard?
I got my psych degree in 2008. When students were still taught to respect this study...And I still do. Was the methodology great? Nope, did it help us learn a ton about psychology and power dynamics? 180%.
How an episode on the Harvard LSD studies in the 50s-60s like what they did to the unabomber.
so people start commenting before watching the video
🙇♂️Meh
Yes. It's quite common on a certain News Break app. Ppl don't read the article. They just go to the comments and put down anything, without bothering to read. They feel entitled to just get their opinion out, that's all, even if it's blatantly wrong.🙄
I'm guilty of this.
I will also post multiple times if there are multiple points to address.
It is a sign that I am using TH-cam to distract myself from crippling depressive thoughts....
I've heard of this experiment but never in so much detail. Great video.
huh, very relevant to the current political situation tbh
Yeah, specially in Serbia
It's the same thing with the white house they are not held accountable and are above the law. Even impeachment had no effect.
If only people learn from this...
seems so simple to fix us! ,
Just tell/remind/train people of authority & power that one random day they will be imprisoned & get worse treatment.
But if they Use #1 rule of Respect & do unto others, they’ll get the same when it’s their turn?
🧠 Brain-fart💨
Yep....Leftists only want government employees to own guns
No way
A psychology/sociology- oriented video on the Jonestown Masscare would be awesome imo :)
prison guards have arguments with their loved ones or get into debt or have internal issues and then go to work and systematically take it out on people.. it doesn't have to be like this if you put rules and regulations in place.. but it seems once one person becomes toxic the rest follow
You have to be a special kinda person to not become this.
The experiment was a hoax on many grounds, most seriously, the participants were told how to behave by zimbardo.
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My gut tells me that the "rest" do not follow, they merely look the other way.
And, this would explain the behavior of our Police Departments.
Another example is the comedy of Sacha Baron Cohen and the incident involving his character "BORAT" singing "Throw the Jew down the well" at some conservative political event. ( you can google it ). Cohen commented that the vast majority looked on while a small minority actually sang the song. Only another small minority walked away.
@@someguy7842 Yes.. This is obvious to anyone that watched this video.. or has done their own research.. I have done both.
What you're saying is...Basically because they were lead in a certain way they behaved in a certain way.. which is true... but prison guards are also told to behave in this way.
Regardless what i said.. was about the prison system and how real guards may behave
You should read what is written instead of wanting to be known as the person who knows more
Maybe they just wanted people reading later to have enough information to understand your point better. A discussion doesn't have to devolve into dissent on every criticism.
Zimbardo was the true sadist in this whole experiment. He placed orders to certain guards to act the bad guys to humiliate the prisoners. Nowadays, his professional license would've been stripped and likely served a bit of time in prison.
Wans't the most disturbing study ever the Russian sleep thing, that turned the guys in bloodthirsty, self destructing monsters?
some say that wasnt real so
but im not that certain about it too
Its fake, its literally a creepypasta
That never actually happened
@@dexter8019 Good. The worst experiment ever was less bad than that thing.
When I entered high school in 1973 this experiment and the Milligram experiment were hot topics in my sociology class.