Yeah I actually became a fan that he did that, because some of the greats have taken revenge for being drafted late. Tom Brady obviously comes to mind first. However, they never said it out loud until they were proven
Joe Dimaggio once said "A ball player has to be kept hungry to become a big leaguer. That's why no boy from a rich family has ever made the big leagues." He was talking about guys like Josh Rosen and Johnny Manziel. They were too soft and too rich to succeed...
No actually almost half nfl players are pedigreed meaning there father uncle or grandfather played in the nfl i know several nfl players some still playing now none of them grew up poor
I believe this is true to some extent. While a lot of players now are identified early and are coddled as they move through the system, there is a certain fire in the belly that some guys just lack. Not sure it is fair to say that this is due to economic circumstances as there numerous examples of guys growing up in abject poverty, abusive households, etc and having all the talent in the world and then blowing everything by taking the easy route. I think it is fair to say that if you go through the all time list of guys in every sport who were busts with the highest level of ability, guys coming from worse childhood environments would be massively over-represented. Tom Brady would be my counter-point to Joe Dimaggio. Brady came from a well to do family with all the benefits that come with the "easy life". He transformed himself from an average talent coming out of college into the GOAT through shear drive and determination to be the best.
Except Josh rosen worked hard in practice every day lol. I would know given I knew one of his teammates who told me exactly this when I asked “is he as lazy and bad as they say?”
THIS idea is fucking BRILLIANT. Explaining how draft picks underperformed in comparison to where they were drafted at is great. WE NEED MORE OF THESE VIDEOS. Like if you agree so JK can see!!!
Josh Rosen absolutely did not get enough of a chance as a rookie till now to prove himself as other top quarterback picks have including Sam darnold. Every team he's been on his drafted a first-round quarterback. Hes had like 6 OC since college, and NFL coaches and mgn that didnt support him. I'm still not ready to say he's busting because of his talent.
To most casual fans who know nothing about football they don’t care, they think if you keep tanking and draft a star college QB it will help but it doesn’t you just moving from one learning process to another. We will see the jets have another terrible year because they didn’t sign anyone and nobody wants to play there
100% David. If you lack mobility as a QB your strengths better be recognizing coverages and your ability to process information. Rosen can’t be fixed that’s why he’s essentially out of the league.
@@dumisatonyjohnson8145 Damn that could be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. His hands were average and much bigger than many QBs in the hall of fame. His built was considered perfect for the NFL. That is not why is has been jerked around.
Cause know one gave him enough time to succeed. That kid has been shopped around so much its pathetic. Got a raw deal. I got a feeling this story isn't over. Wish him the best of luck.
@@lmauriceg92 I told David Porter, you mean he's been given opportunity like busterass Sam Darnold has been given. Pff And that buster gettin another chance with Carolina. Cmon now.
@@davidporter7051 no he didn’t clown 🤡 did you not watch football or the teams he played for, he went from the worst oline full of injuries to an even worse one where they traded the best lineman. He wasn’t give a shot at all he played well in Arizona for having the last in everything and the next year they actually tried to be competitive
@@rd9669 you lost. You started name calling. What's next you will start screaming liar liar pants on fire? Rosen simply will never be a starting level NFL quarterback. Maybe he can go back to tennis.
Darnold played for one of the worst teams ever and you can’t name any weapon he has on offense that actually useful, they will draft another qb and all you experts will see how bad the team really is. Good job 👍🏽 in free agency
They gave up on him because they recognized they made a mistake. Rosen lacks mobility, panics when pressured and can’t read defenses/identify coverages effectively. What Rosen lacks as a QB can’t be fixed. That’s why he’s bounced around since being drafted.
@@miklovelka2114 I’m not saying he doesn’t suck... but the narrative that he was traded because he sucks is wrong. It was only his rookie season, he didn’t become a bust until he no longer progressed, and there was no way of anyone knowing that. We do know Kingsbury became HC and he happens to want Kyler Murray.
I still think Rosen was better than Darnold. If Josh got 4 years as an NFL starter to develop? By the way, that throw with the Dolphins was way late, not an arm strength thing.
You’re taught to put that ball on the outside shoulder. But he’s right, its night and day the breaks and reads the defenders can make on the ball at this level.
Receiver also didn't do a good job of working back to the ball to shield it from the defender he knew was on his back. But that ball should've been thrown before the Receiver broke.
I’m not trying to brag, but I called it before he was drafted that he was going to be a bust. Multiple injuries in college, not mobile, and made a lot of protection, and throwing errors. This is why I believe Mac Jones will be a bust because he play just like Matt Leinert.
@@ryanspencerlauderdale687 It is just like Jared Goff looking good under Sean Mcvay, then they get screwed as he is immobile, and would turn over the ball.
I anticipate he'll be a good backup in SF and I think Shanahan will be able to scheme a lot of good plays for Rosen's talents and limitations. Might be a moot consideration though 'cause the Niners are swallowing the qb draft Kool-Aid and Rosen will be cut unless he works hard and masters the system in the off season.
Dude, they have josh jhonson (probably will be cut) just signed Nate suddield, have jimmy g who is looking to be the starter and drafting a rookie, his position in depth chart is probably qb 3 or 4, no way he gets a snap In 2021
As a UCLA fan I knew throughout college, clean pocket with time, Rosen looks godly. Any tiny bit of pressure whatsoever? He's gonna throw a pick which is inexcusable lol.
I think it's rough to call him a bust. 3 years in, all bad teams with subpar coaching and never had and o-line or given a chance to find a rhythm! Never started a full season.
Story was he didn't even want to play in the NFL anyways. Scouts had that at the top of their lists. That he wasn't dedicated to football. That will burn you as a young player. No one is going to take a chance bringing that attitude in the locker room.
i liked ur analysis iwould like to add a thing about rosen he is deadlegged his lower body leg movement is slow unexplosive reminds me off a present era joe flacco he has no suddenness or burst to speed up his play
Wow. Total mis-characterization of what he said. Lol. He was commenting that anyone who believes that players can carry the demands of being a Division I player and the demands that it takes to compete in the classroom at a top tier school are gullible or foolish. ESPN has a black woman who is a basketball analyst from Stanford. She stated one day that she really didn't major in her preferred choice, a science based major, due to the demands of the basketball team. I didn't even know that it happened with women's basketball, since it's not a cash cow. Moreover, Josh Rosen was outspoken against the racism of Trump administration and Jim Mora demanded that he stop commenting on politics. Stop spreading vicious lies on someone.
@@Red_Sea_ yeah but even when he didn’t the oline was still holding their blocks in fact apparently we had a top 10 oline this year apart from run blocking
The play at the end had 0 to do with arm strength . He was 2 seconds late on the throw . Had he anticipated the breaks the WRs were making the play would have worked but his biggest NFL issue is that he has to see the WR open and not throw the WR open .
@@shawnzadeh2600 The difference between a good QB and bad Qb is anticipation and being able to throw to places that do not look open until the ball gets there. That's pro vs colligate QB play in a nutshell.
A single setup QB, he sets his feet in the direction of the throw and that's it. You typically don't see single setup QBs do things in the middle of the field, you see guys reading the QB and not the routs, if he setup right you probably would see the zone defenders sag right. It gets real crazy when they start laying routs in the direction of the setup, 2 or 3 routs, on big plays like 3rd down the defenders will commit to the QB with little risk and create a mosh pit on that right side of the field. To find a good QB watch the feet before the setup, bad QBs setup in a direction while potentially good ones spend a second scanning things then set on a good choice and they are flexible enough to set on the outlet on a blitz and don't have to blindly reset to an outlet that may be on the opposite side of the field.
He should go to the Bears or something. He wasn't that awful in Arizona. The O-line and personnel was bad and he was only 21. If he started another year, he probably would have gotten his comp% slightly above 60 and gotten his INT rate below 3%. I still think he can be a lower-end starter. But then again I haven't watched him play in a long time, so I don't know.
A poor mans Jay Cutler maybe. A very poor mans Jay Cutler. Say what you will about Cutler, he was a starting QB in the league for more than a decade, threw 227 career TD passes, took his team to the playoffs a few times and even made a Pro Bowl. Nah, Rosen is not even close to Jay Cutler.
@@dondajulah4168 Sorry man. I come from a team that had 2 1st ballot hall of famers back to back at the qb position. Are you a Bears fan? Rodgers loves beating down on the Bears
@@StraightOuttaMyHouse Really? Which team did you play for? I am not a Bears fan (would be curious to know why you think a Bears fan would be defending Jay Cutler anyway as they would be the LAST people to do that) and find them one of the most boring teams to watch over the last 30 years. I saw enough of Cutler in Miami to last me for a lifetime, but he was still a guy that was light years ahead of a guy who put up the numbers that Rosen will put up when he washes out of the league. I saw both Cutler and Rosen play for my team two years apart from each other. While Cutler was mediocre behind center, Rosen's play was downright embarrassing with the game being too fast as if he came out of a D3 school into the NFL, not a Pac-12 school. Poor instincts, poor judgement, poor awareness.
@@dondajulah4168 Alright dude. I didn't mean harm and I know Cutler is better than Rosen 😅 In my original comment I mean Rosen looks like Cutler in physical appearance.
Rosen is on the niners now. Shannahan. Makes qbs 1 grade better. There is absolutely hope. I think qbs bust because they get drafted high on shitty teams. An Example will be whatever qb the niners draft will be the best qb coming out of the draft. He in on the niners now so. Let’s see what happens.
He´s only 24 years old. You never know. But to succeed you have to be really strong in the mental aspect of the QB position. I don´t know if he has that in him.
I'm no Rosen fan, but that INT in Miami wasn't ALL his fault. His WR just stood there and waited instead of coming back to the ball knowing he had defenders all around him. Yes timing matters, but WRs gotta help their QB out as well
The problem in evaluating busts this way in an attempt to project future players is that it boils down immense complexity into results-oriented thinking. No quarterback, or almost no quarterback, is a ready-made prospect coming out of college. You are having to project areas of growth for these young players. Rosen had issues for sure. And they were issues that could be fixed. In fact, they are issues that *can* still be fixed. There are reasons to doubt that they will be, but we are talking about deficiencies that can be mitigated or removed by hard work and study. If a guy has a bum arm, if his mechanics are fine, there is little hope. But projecting a guy to get better at recognizing blitzes and protections is not some oversight by scouts. Everyone needs to improve at that from the college level. Players need to be drafted into situations that will cultivate their talent, accentuate their upside, mitigate their weakness, and accelerate their development. Sometimes a bust is on the player, sometimes it's on the team, sometimes it's on circumstance. But to take a look and that class and say in retrospect obviously Josh Allen would correct mechanical issues and improve in reading defenses pre-snap and Rosen would not correct issues diagnosing blitzes pre-snap and adjusting his reads is revisionist at best. I agree with the reasons Jackson mentioned as being immense factors as to Rosen's lack of NFL success to date. But it's only part of the picture, and there is maybe not actually much to take away from it. All of these guys are projections.
Btw, I appreciate the content. This is a good video and I enjoy the channel a lot. I'm just cashing in my $.02 on the pre-draft evaluation process, particularly with QBs
Not being able to read a defense pre snap, go through progressions, having no anticipation when throwing WRs open, and bad decision making usually can’t be fixed. You see from day one if a prospect is the franchise qb based on the little things. Josh allen showed flashes, and eventually developed to what he is. Rosen never showed any signs of improvement to come
It also doesnt help when you are not mobile to make up for what you are lacking as a passer…. Problem with Rosen is he panicks too much just like Darnold. Josh allen succeeded because of his rushing ability, his problem was never being able to read a defense or anticipation or progression or mobility, his problem was accuracy which is ONE of if not the only flaw a prospect can have that can be coached and fixed.
If you’re not ready to be good right away you better not declare for the draft and it’s as simple as that. Josh Allen had a .500 record with a god awful team with Zay Jones as his #1 wr as a rookie because he understood the simple concept of having to be good now. Shouldn’t have been a difficult concept for Rosen considering he acted like a smug know it all. Ironic.
Scouts and teams really should look at the teams record when looking at a QB. The excuse well its a team game works for every position but QB they effect the whole team and if they aren't completely outmatch can elevate the team to a win or make it close. Now almost every QB prospect will have a winning record but if their last season the teams falters you need to look into it. Rosen, Trubisky, and Hackenberg are all evidence of this with Rosen and Hackenberg they came in 5 stars to big programs had a great freshman year but then their teams regressed after. Trubisky he came into a team that went 10 wins the year before and they only won 8. That QB went undrafted no one stopped and asked why did their teams falter. Mahomes is the exception to the rule but you could tell he was doing everything he could on a bad team. Look at the starting QBs and you will see their teams got better in college as they gained more experience and leadership. So I think that is why teams need to look at how much the teams succeeded if they didn't you need to take a hard look if you did you would've avoided a few of the busts.
It really matters who drafts you, teams make the mistake of drafting a QB before they build a team around him, they gotta atleast build an Oline and get a few WRs than draft a QB,alot of these teams draft a QB with no Oline or WRs and it destroys the QBs confidence, or if you see a QB you gotta have draft him and if you dont have the Oline or WRs sign a veteran bridge QB and redshirt the rookie for a year or 2 to learn under the veteran,thats why you see these later drafted QBs doing better than top 3 picks because usually the later the QB gets drafted the better team will be around him
@@JC-zj2is ^ yeah the dolphins traded what a 4th for him? Got beat out by fitz for the job and they decided to just release him rather than keep him with a injured tua and old Fitzpatrick. Coaches there obviously saw no use for him.
you can show the play in full . you run a sport channel . REquest from the NCAA airing rights and you will get permission from them to use their footage .
@@zachespinoza1794 I run a sports channel ? That is news to me . Last I checked I do not and am not allowed because of who i work for . That boomer reference however ! Sure makes you sound like a well adjusted adult who knows the meaning of the terms you use .I know I sure as hell am not a boomer but you keep using that term moron . It helps smart people pick out the booger eaters which helps us figure out seating when setting up the kiddy tables at parties. I make all 22 film study videos for 250+NFL prospects every season as well as 145 top prospects for the CFL in all22 and I get paid well but not from youtube. My videos do not make the internet and all 22 is without sound so they do not make great TH-cam videos without voice over in the first place. After scouting evaluations are turned over to the teams who hire us I have months to waste before the draft and I talk on the youtube chats on these players because I find it entertaining and most online scouts are very cool people who love this sport and are good people . Unlike yourself they respect each others opinions and like to discuss the future of the NFL and CFL and how the each class will change our favorite sport after they find where they fit in their league . Most people are not like you and are fun to debate on draft topics and like to talk football . They are not closed minded dinks and who believe they are superior to everyone else just because you were born with a smartphone in their hands. I guess you chose the other way . Enjoy cuck living and letting your women run your life .
@@jesusoftheapes just wanted to make sure I was taking life advice from somebody named "jesusoftheapes"- yep username checks out! You are CLEARLY wise enough and smart enough(from the sound of it) to be handing out your predictions about me. If you wanna reply to this, feel free to but let me know so I can take notes to abide by your standard of living
He didn’t bust. Him getting one shot on a franchise with a bad front office and just overall mediocre team he didn’t have a awful rookie year and then he never got to play again. Like that’s not being a bust, that’s literally just not getting a real shot because where he started his career. Ask many browns Qb’s
He never had a fighting chance. Drafted by cards with a 1st year head coach and an atrocious line, with his only weapon being Fitz who had the most drops in a season ever that year. Traded to the dolphins, 1st year head coach, an atrocious line again and they traded away all their talent to tank. So yeah, you can say he's a bust but honestly he's never had anything around him, football is a 60+ man sport, including coaching and what not, no qb can instantly make or break a team if they have nothing but that qb
I hate that Rosen is on my 49ers. I've disliked him since his huge nose got drafted by the Cardinals and he talked trash about not being drafted #1 overall.
He's going to end up like Alex Smith...6 teams/6 coaches/6 systems all within his first 6 years.... sucks because I thought he could be really good. Still think so but he's got a hill to climb.
He is not a bust. He was not given an honest chance like they are surrounding Kyler murray and diminutive Tua. Perhaps it’s because he is Jewish and high IQ. His mother is from the Lippincott Publishing company and father founded the Wharton School of business that is Trump’s favorite. Jay Fiedler, the last successful QB of Miami faced the same ethnic discrimination with the Dolphins and the media was always about who would replace him to become the next Dan Marino. Josh made one mistake. He should have stayed in Tampa. San Francisco will never give him a fair opportunity to compete. He went there because it’s home. I wish him well. He will still make it as Foles did in Philadelphia. Maybe that’s where he should go! He may beat out Jalen Rose.
I still think Rosen could make it in this league. You are correct. He was slow reading blitzes (typical rookie problem). He also made some great accurate throws. He tried too hard to fit it into small windows. He didn’t grasp some of the more advanced concepts. But that’s all typical. He didn’t have the legs to be a running threat. I think he was thrown into the fire too early and asked to do too much too soon. He also didn’t have the play design of Kliff Kingsburg at his disposal like Kyler Murray. The jury is still out. I am not ready to labe him a bust yet. If he keeps improving he could step into a starting spot and perform if someone gets injured. I think Sam Darnold is much more of a bust than Rosen. Darnold played for three years and failed to impress anyone. But he also played for a bad team with a bad coach.
Josh will have the last laugh on all the haters and the tainted NFL...He can sit on a beach sipping pina coladas for the rest of his life if he wants to and save his body for it not to be completely wrecked in middle age...Yeah, the kid has a bratty attitude because at the end of the day, he has tons of options in life other than football...He is already set for life financially.
Does anyone remember how cocky this guy was in the draft, he had the nerve to get upset for not getting picked first.
Ehhh, that’s more confidence and not arrogance
@@foldem2quickhell no he was clearly arrogant. Look at him now. He's almost out the league.
Yeah I actually became a fan that he did that, because some of the greats have taken revenge for being drafted late. Tom Brady obviously comes to mind first. However, they never said it out loud until they were proven
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How you miss a security blanket like Larry Fitzgerald is beyond me. lol
Man, you are so underated, keep it up.
He’s got 86k followers how’s that underrated..
@@bigbadclan only 10k views in a week is pretty underrated
BigBad Clan 86k is not a lot, really.
He said there were 9 mistakes drafted ahead of him. He was a “pocket passer” with high “football IQ”. Well it didn’t work out!
Lol, he said Rosen!s floor is apparently the pits of hell.
Joe Dimaggio once said "A ball player has to be kept hungry to become a big leaguer. That's why no boy from a rich family has ever made the big leagues."
He was talking about guys like Josh Rosen and Johnny Manziel. They were too soft and too rich to succeed...
No actually almost half nfl players are pedigreed meaning there father uncle or grandfather played in the nfl i know several nfl players some still playing now none of them grew up poor
I believe this is true to some extent. While a lot of players now are identified early and are coddled as they move through the system, there is a certain fire in the belly that some guys just lack. Not sure it is fair to say that this is due to economic circumstances as there numerous examples of guys growing up in abject poverty, abusive households, etc and having all the talent in the world and then blowing everything by taking the easy route.
I think it is fair to say that if you go through the all time list of guys in every sport who were busts with the highest level of ability, guys coming from worse childhood environments would be massively over-represented. Tom Brady would be my counter-point to Joe Dimaggio. Brady came from a well to do family with all the benefits that come with the "easy life". He transformed himself from an average talent coming out of college into the GOAT through shear drive and determination to be the best.
It is not a fair system but every one on the team has earned it nobody in the nfl is soft if you think so your over your own head
Except Josh rosen worked hard in practice every day lol. I would know given I knew one of his teammates who told me exactly this when I asked “is he as lazy and bad as they say?”
@@rbrown5964 exactly. The Bosa brothers grew up rich lmao. Kyler Murray didn’t even grow up broke.
Josh Rosen never had the making of a varsity star
Lol sopranos
Small hands, that was his problem
Under the boarder..........
Down Mexico wayyyyyyy
the hands were too small
Love the hustle man can tell you’re passionate about football keep working hard at it!!
LMAO the title 😂
THIS idea is fucking BRILLIANT. Explaining how draft picks underperformed in comparison to where they were drafted at is great. WE NEED MORE OF THESE VIDEOS. Like if you agree so JK can see!!!
Josh Rosen absolutely did not get enough of a chance as a rookie till now to prove himself as other top quarterback picks have including Sam darnold. Every team he's been on his drafted a first-round quarterback. Hes had like 6 OC since college, and NFL coaches and mgn that didnt support him. I'm still not ready to say he's busting because of his talent.
To most casual fans who know nothing about football they don’t care, they think if you keep tanking and draft a star college QB it will help but it doesn’t you just moving from one learning process to another. We will see the jets have another terrible year because they didn’t sign anyone and nobody wants to play there
He had plenty of a opportunity to show he is slow on his progressions, can't read pre snap, below average arm, and isn't mobile.
100% David. If you lack mobility as a QB your strengths better be recognizing coverages and your ability to process information. Rosen can’t be fixed that’s why he’s essentially out of the league.
WHY DID HE BUST? WTF I mean *WFT
because he got his legs taken from him.
@@jesusoftheapes no troll. He can't play.
His hands 🙌 were too small
His body was too frail to play the position at the pro level
@@dumisatonyjohnson8145 Damn that could be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. His hands were average and much bigger than many QBs in the hall of fame. His built was considered perfect for the NFL. That is not why is has been jerked around.
On that first Cardinals play, he may have had a touchdown if he hits Kirk on that drag route.
interesting that the targeted receiver actually read the play right and looked like he was setting up to block
Cause know one gave him enough time to succeed. That kid has been shopped around so much its pathetic. Got a raw deal. I got a feeling this story isn't over. Wish him the best of luck.
B.S. he is a backup at best. He had plenty of opportunity if he wasn't a 1st round pick he would be in the CFL holding a clipboard.
I agree he just been on the wrong team all the time
@@lmauriceg92 I told David Porter, you mean he's been given opportunity like busterass Sam Darnold has been given. Pff And that buster gettin another chance with Carolina. Cmon now.
@@davidporter7051 no he didn’t clown 🤡 did you not watch football or the teams he played for, he went from the worst oline full of injuries to an even worse one where they traded the best lineman. He wasn’t give a shot at all he played well in Arizona for having the last in everything and the next year they actually tried to be competitive
@@rd9669 you lost. You started name calling. What's next you will start screaming liar liar pants on fire? Rosen simply will never be a starting level NFL quarterback. Maybe he can go back to tennis.
@7:08 it’s not really his arm talent it’s 1) a late throw and 2) a very clear passing situation on 3rd and long with 3 pass options vs 7dbs
Sus title
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@@D22_T hey daddy
"Nine mistakes were picked ahead of me" headass lmao
I remember he talked all that shit because he fell in the draft.lol
Always be humble
And you’re sounding more and more confident with each video!
Pause?
Thanks for explaining this, I was pulling for the young fella. I hope he makes it though.
Great honest breakdown
You should do Sam Darnold college breakdown cause he was so hyped out of college that caused my Jets to get him
You talkin' about Sam "Who You Gonna Call?" Darnold?
The Jets haven't picked a good competent QB in a long time. Even Mark Sanchez wasn't that good. He just didn't turn the ball over much.
Just like Wilson
@@rapsheets4993 Darnold is nothing like Wilson.
Darnold played for one of the worst teams ever and you can’t name any weapon he has on offense that actually useful, they will draft another qb and all you experts will see how bad the team really is. Good job 👍🏽 in free agency
Nailed it!
To be frank... they didn’t give up on him for Kyler Murray, they gave up on him because they got a new coach. That kinda happens with new coaches.
They gave up on him because they recognized they made a mistake.
Rosen lacks mobility, panics when pressured and can’t read defenses/identify coverages effectively. What Rosen lacks as a QB can’t be fixed. That’s why he’s bounced around since being drafted.
@@miklovelka2114 I’m not saying he doesn’t suck... but the narrative that he was traded because he sucks is wrong. It was only his rookie season, he didn’t become a bust until he no longer progressed, and there was no way of anyone knowing that. We do know Kingsbury became HC and he happens to want Kyler Murray.
I'M CRYING WITH THIS ONE OK??? #FreeJoshRosen
My mans been freed twice already
Gavin X trice*
He’s on my 49ers. He’s definitely free.
Really liking the series.
JaMarcus Russell was given more of chance then this man.
Ikr, shit sad
Do you think Zach Wilson will have an nfl arm ?
I still think Rosen was better than Darnold. If Josh got 4 years as an NFL starter to develop? By the way, that throw with the Dolphins was way late, not an arm strength thing.
You’re taught to put that ball on the outside shoulder. But he’s right, its night and day the breaks and reads the defenders can make on the ball at this level.
Receiver also didn't do a good job of working back to the ball to shield it from the defender he knew was on his back. But that ball should've been thrown before the Receiver broke.
I’m not trying to brag, but I called it before he was drafted that he was going to be a bust. Multiple injuries in college, not mobile, and made a lot of protection, and throwing errors. This is why I believe Mac Jones will be a bust because he play just like Matt Leinert.
Yeah. Kyle Shanahan may make him look good for a while, but they really need to go after Justin Fields.
@@ryanspencerlauderdale687 It is just like Jared Goff looking good under Sean Mcvay, then they get screwed as he is immobile, and would turn over the ball.
I anticipate he'll be a good backup in SF and I think Shanahan will be able to scheme a lot of good plays for Rosen's talents and limitations. Might be a moot consideration though 'cause the Niners are swallowing the qb draft Kool-Aid and Rosen will be cut unless he works hard and masters the system in the off season.
Dude, they have josh jhonson (probably will be cut) just signed Nate suddield, have jimmy g who is looking to be the starter and drafting a rookie, his position in depth chart is probably qb 3 or 4, no way he gets a snap In 2021
I highly doubt they'll keep Jimmy G after the draft. Rosen has a better chance of staying than Jimmy G does.
No. If he could be a backup the 49ers would not draft a quarterback in a few weeks. Rosen is D-O-N-E.
josh rosen is the future
As a UCLA fan I knew throughout college, clean pocket with time, Rosen looks godly. Any tiny bit of pressure whatsoever? He's gonna throw a pick which is inexcusable lol.
I think it's rough to call him a bust. 3 years in, all bad teams with subpar coaching and never had and o-line or given a chance to find a rhythm! Never started a full season.
As much as how he rub me off the wrong way, I don’t think his story is over unless he doesn’t want to play anymore.
Story was he didn't even want to play in the NFL anyways. Scouts had that at the top of their lists. That he wasn't dedicated to football. That will burn you as a young player. No one is going to take a chance bringing that attitude in the locker room.
@@beedavisjr didnt he disprove that tho? saying that he loves the game of football and wants to win. wants to beat brady’s record of super bowl wins
@@thomasethant Bridge burned at this point. He's consider a spoiled brat in locker room circles and his career is essential over.
@@BM4gic2010 yeah true
man this title 😂
i liked ur analysis iwould like to add a thing about rosen he is deadlegged his lower body leg movement is slow unexplosive reminds me off a present era joe flacco he has no suddenness or burst to speed up his play
Where you’re drafted is so important.
Josh Rosen is the guy who said black players were stupid. And they didn't belong at Alabama, Texas Longhorns, and Florida state university Seminoles.
Wow. Total mis-characterization of what he said. Lol. He was commenting that anyone who believes that players can carry the demands of being a Division I player and the demands that it takes to compete in the classroom at a top tier school are gullible or foolish. ESPN has a black woman who is a basketball analyst from Stanford. She stated one day that she really didn't major in her preferred choice, a science based major, due to the demands of the basketball team. I didn't even know that it happened with women's basketball, since it's not a cash cow. Moreover, Josh Rosen was outspoken against the racism of Trump administration and Jim Mora demanded that he stop commenting on politics. Stop spreading vicious lies on someone.
Because our offensive line was one of the worst in history that year
Kyler did better with the same line though?
I’m glad we got rid of him for Kyler though Rosen had no arm strength
@@dba_luke1327 Kyler just runs
@@Red_Sea_ yeah but even when he didn’t the oline was still holding their blocks in fact apparently we had a top 10 oline this year apart from run blocking
The play at the end had 0 to do with arm strength . He was 2 seconds late on the throw . Had he anticipated the breaks the WRs were making the play would have worked but his biggest NFL issue is that he has to see the WR open and not throw the WR open .
Anticipation…. One of the biggest killers.
@@shawnzadeh2600 The difference between a good QB and bad Qb is anticipation and being able to throw to places that do not look open until the ball gets there. That's pro vs colligate QB play in a nutshell.
A single setup QB, he sets his feet in the direction of the throw and that's it. You typically don't see single setup QBs do things in the middle of the field, you see guys reading the QB and not the routs, if he setup right you probably would see the zone defenders sag right. It gets real crazy when they start laying routs in the direction of the setup, 2 or 3 routs, on big plays like 3rd down the defenders will commit to the QB with little risk and create a mosh pit on that right side of the field. To find a good QB watch the feet before the setup, bad QBs setup in a direction while potentially good ones spend a second scanning things then set on a good choice and they are flexible enough to set on the outlet on a blitz and don't have to blindly reset to an outlet that may be on the opposite side of the field.
You talkin' about Josh "Lox and Bagels" Rosen?
He should go to the Bears or something. He wasn't that awful in Arizona. The O-line and personnel was bad and he was only 21. If he started another year, he probably would have gotten his comp% slightly above 60 and gotten his INT rate below 3%. I still think he can be a lower-end starter. But then again I haven't watched him play in a long time, so I don't know.
The guy is terrible. He’s a practice squad level player.
Highest ceiling like Darnold. OMG
As a cards fan I can tell you he is not a bust. He just did not get a fair chance
Wasn't he Cowherd's best qb?
When I look at Rosen he reminds me of Jay Cutler
A poor mans Jay Cutler maybe. A very poor mans Jay Cutler. Say what you will about Cutler, he was a starting QB in the league for more than a decade, threw 227 career TD passes, took his team to the playoffs a few times and even made a Pro Bowl. Nah, Rosen is not even close to Jay Cutler.
@@dondajulah4168 Sorry man. I come from a team that had 2 1st ballot hall of famers back to back at the qb position. Are you a Bears fan? Rodgers loves beating down on the Bears
@@StraightOuttaMyHouse Really? Which team did you play for? I am not a Bears fan (would be curious to know why you think a Bears fan would be defending Jay Cutler anyway as they would be the LAST people to do that) and find them one of the most boring teams to watch over the last 30 years. I saw enough of Cutler in Miami to last me for a lifetime, but he was still a guy that was light years ahead of a guy who put up the numbers that Rosen will put up when he washes out of the league. I saw both Cutler and Rosen play for my team two years apart from each other. While Cutler was mediocre behind center, Rosen's play was downright embarrassing with the game being too fast as if he came out of a D3 school into the NFL, not a Pac-12 school. Poor instincts, poor judgement, poor awareness.
@@dondajulah4168 Alright dude. I didn't mean harm and I know Cutler is better than Rosen 😅 In my original comment I mean Rosen looks like Cutler in physical appearance.
I knew he'd be a bust it was written all over his face
Are you going to review the rookie QBs of this class?
He was on Tampa's (Super Bowl) practice squad, but then he left for San Fran? not sure if he got a ring or not?
Would be Hilarious if he did. And then won anotyet one with 49ers next year
Rosen is on the niners now. Shannahan.
Makes qbs 1 grade better.
There is absolutely hope. I think qbs bust because they get drafted high on shitty teams. An Example will be whatever qb the niners draft will be the best qb coming out of the draft.
He in on the niners now so. Let’s see what happens.
He´s only 24 years old. You never know. But to succeed you have to be really strong in the mental aspect of the QB position. I don´t know if he has that in him.
Let's remember he got sacked 61 times in only 20 games. He could've been great if he'd been on better teams with better coaching.
I'm no Rosen fan, but that INT in Miami wasn't ALL his fault. His WR just stood there and waited instead of coming back to the ball knowing he had defenders all around him. Yes timing matters, but WRs gotta help their QB out as well
6:07 was just bad play design. those three routes wouldn’t work against most coverages. that one is the coordinators fault.
Idk how people think he is better than jimmy g
The only QB I liked in that draft was Josh Allen. Raiders traded back with Az so they could pick Rosen. I'm happier with his LT. Kolton is a stud!
The problem in evaluating busts this way in an attempt to project future players is that it boils down immense complexity into results-oriented thinking. No quarterback, or almost no quarterback, is a ready-made prospect coming out of college. You are having to project areas of growth for these young players. Rosen had issues for sure. And they were issues that could be fixed. In fact, they are issues that *can* still be fixed. There are reasons to doubt that they will be, but we are talking about deficiencies that can be mitigated or removed by hard work and study. If a guy has a bum arm, if his mechanics are fine, there is little hope. But projecting a guy to get better at recognizing blitzes and protections is not some oversight by scouts. Everyone needs to improve at that from the college level.
Players need to be drafted into situations that will cultivate their talent, accentuate their upside, mitigate their weakness, and accelerate their development. Sometimes a bust is on the player, sometimes it's on the team, sometimes it's on circumstance. But to take a look and that class and say in retrospect obviously Josh Allen would correct mechanical issues and improve in reading defenses pre-snap and Rosen would not correct issues diagnosing blitzes pre-snap and adjusting his reads is revisionist at best. I agree with the reasons Jackson mentioned as being immense factors as to Rosen's lack of NFL success to date. But it's only part of the picture, and there is maybe not actually much to take away from it. All of these guys are projections.
Btw, I appreciate the content. This is a good video and I enjoy the channel a lot. I'm just cashing in my $.02 on the pre-draft evaluation process, particularly with QBs
Not being able to read a defense pre snap, go through progressions, having no anticipation when throwing WRs open, and bad decision making usually can’t be fixed. You see from day one if a prospect is the franchise qb based on the little things. Josh allen showed flashes, and eventually developed to what he is. Rosen never showed any signs of improvement to come
It also doesnt help when you are not mobile to make up for what you are lacking as a passer…. Problem with Rosen is he panicks too much just like Darnold. Josh allen succeeded because of his rushing ability, his problem was never being able to read a defense or anticipation or progression or mobility, his problem was accuracy which is ONE of if not the only flaw a prospect can have that can be coached and fixed.
If you’re not ready to be good right away you better not declare for the draft and it’s as simple as that. Josh Allen had a .500 record with a god awful team with Zay Jones as his #1 wr as a rookie because he understood the simple concept of having to be good now. Shouldn’t have been a difficult concept for Rosen considering he acted like a smug know it all. Ironic.
2:08 lmao except if you’re Russell Wilson
Still the only QB from the 2018 draft to get a SB ring
Actually he didn’t, late season he signed with niners, so he wasn’t with bucs when they won it
He was on the roster so I believe he still gets one
BoardandArrow no, before bucs got even to playoffs, Rosen signed with niners as a backup in week 16
@@BoardandArrow he only a practice squad guy for 2 months I doubt it
Not given opportunity. It happens to some players. Still made a few millions. Very smart. Will probably get a masters and a PhD.
Scouts and teams really should look at the teams record when looking at a QB. The excuse well its a team game works for every position but QB they effect the whole team and if they aren't completely outmatch can elevate the team to a win or make it close.
Now almost every QB prospect will have a winning record but if their last season the teams falters you need to look into it. Rosen, Trubisky, and Hackenberg are all evidence of this with Rosen and Hackenberg they came in 5 stars to big programs had a great freshman year but then their teams regressed after. Trubisky he came into a team that went 10 wins the year before and they only won 8. That QB went undrafted no one stopped and asked why did their teams falter.
Mahomes is the exception to the rule but you could tell he was doing everything he could on a bad team. Look at the starting QBs and you will see their teams got better in college as they gained more experience and leadership. So I think that is why teams need to look at how much the teams succeeded if they didn't you need to take a hard look if you did you would've avoided a few of the busts.
It really matters who drafts you, teams make the mistake of drafting a QB before they build a team around him, they gotta atleast build an Oline and get a few WRs than draft a QB,alot of these teams draft a QB with no Oline or WRs and it destroys the QBs confidence, or if you see a QB you gotta have draft him and if you dont have the Oline or WRs sign a veteran bridge QB and redshirt the rookie for a year or 2 to learn under the veteran,thats why you see these later drafted QBs doing better than top 3 picks because usually the later the QB gets drafted the better team will be around him
Atlanta just signed him
I suppose the haters are demanding a bust video on Lamar Jackson already.
Probably from that fire head he got
title pretty sus
He’s a conservative, he will work hard and figure it out
I was way wrong about Rosen
Josh can sit behind Matt and learn how to play . His Arm is tremendous. Dude you're blind his Arm is fine for the NFL
Didn’t have a shot. Arizona sucked when he was drafted, then the Dolphins where trash when he started for them.
And why they stopped being thrash with Fitzpatrick?
@@eliasgonzalez5357 we’ll you also gotta factor in the fact that Fitzpatrick has been around in the league forever.
@@JC-zj2is ^ yeah the dolphins traded what a 4th for him? Got beat out by fitz for the job and they decided to just release him rather than keep him with a injured tua and old Fitzpatrick. Coaches there obviously saw no use for him.
A million dollar arm and a nickel attitude.
you can show the play in full . you run a sport channel . REquest from the NCAA airing rights and you will get permission from them to use their footage .
Because you also run a sports channel and can easily get this footage yourself... yet choose to watch this video instead? OK boomer
@@zachespinoza1794 I run a sports channel ? That is news to me . Last I checked I do not and am not allowed because of who i work for . That boomer reference however ! Sure makes you sound like a well adjusted adult who knows the meaning of the terms you use .I know I sure as hell am not a boomer but you keep using that term moron . It helps smart people pick out the booger eaters which helps us figure out seating when setting up the kiddy tables at parties. I make all 22 film study videos for 250+NFL prospects every season as well as 145 top prospects for the CFL in all22 and I get paid well but not from youtube. My videos do not make the internet and all 22 is without sound so they do not make great TH-cam videos without voice over in the first place. After scouting evaluations are turned over to the teams who hire us I have months to waste before the draft and I talk on the youtube chats on these players because I find it entertaining and most online scouts are very cool people who love this sport and are good people . Unlike yourself they respect each others opinions and like to discuss the future of the NFL and CFL and how the each class will change our favorite sport after they find where they fit in their league . Most people are not like you and are fun to debate on draft topics and like to talk football . They are not closed minded dinks and who believe they are superior to everyone else just because you were born with a smartphone in their hands. I guess you chose the other way . Enjoy cuck living and letting your women run your life .
@@jesusoftheapes r/iamverysmart
@@jesusoftheapes just wanted to make sure I was taking life advice from somebody named "jesusoftheapes"- yep username checks out! You are CLEARLY wise enough and smart enough(from the sound of it) to be handing out your predictions about me. If you wanna reply to this, feel free to but let me know so I can take notes to abide by your standard of living
Josh's attitude was pretty terrible lol...
That pick was not on him the wide receiver never came back to the ball!! He wasn’t a bust he had bad play around him!
Title sus
He is 24. He is not done yet.
Is he really a bust when he never played behind an O-line?
Title is mad questionable
Waste of a 1st round pick 😂
Fr we could’ve got a cb or dt with that pick
He didn’t bust. Him getting one shot on a franchise with a bad front office and just overall mediocre team he didn’t have a awful rookie year and then he never got to play again. Like that’s not being a bust, that’s literally just not getting a real shot because where he started his career. Ask many browns Qb’s
Oh ya? And how would you know if he busted or not
Josh rosen has not even really had a chance
I knew he was a bust at UCLA
He never had a fighting chance. Drafted by cards with a 1st year head coach and an atrocious line, with his only weapon being Fitz who had the most drops in a season ever that year. Traded to the dolphins, 1st year head coach, an atrocious line again and they traded away all their talent to tank. So yeah, you can say he's a bust but honestly he's never had anything around him, football is a 60+ man sport, including coaching and what not, no qb can instantly make or break a team if they have nothing but that qb
Can’t read defenses and is very slow to process information.
He’s a bum
Reminds me of Mac Jones
I hate that Rosen is on my 49ers. I've disliked him since his huge nose got drafted by the Cardinals and he talked trash about not being drafted #1 overall.
He's going to end up like Alex Smith...6 teams/6 coaches/6 systems all within his first 6 years.... sucks because I thought he could be really good. Still think so but he's got a hill to climb.
He is not a bust. He was not given an honest chance like they are surrounding Kyler murray and diminutive Tua. Perhaps it’s because he is Jewish and high IQ. His mother is from the Lippincott Publishing company and father founded the Wharton School of business that is Trump’s favorite. Jay Fiedler, the last successful QB of Miami faced the same ethnic discrimination with the Dolphins and the media was always about who would replace him to become the next Dan Marino. Josh made one mistake. He should have stayed in Tampa. San Francisco will never give him a fair opportunity to compete. He went there because it’s home. I wish him well. He will still make it as Foles did in Philadelphia. Maybe that’s where he should go! He may beat out Jalen Rose.
He can’t read schemes
His hands are too small
He’s not even close to being mobile to avoid pressure
Watch his college play. He acts like a brat, which rarely makes for a successful pro. The rest of the USC team carried him.
Rosen was not that great at UCLA.
I still think Rosen could make it in this league. You are correct. He was slow reading blitzes (typical rookie problem). He also made some great accurate throws. He tried too hard to fit it into small windows. He didn’t grasp some of the more advanced concepts. But that’s all typical. He didn’t have the legs to be a running threat. I think he was thrown into the fire too early and asked to do too much too soon. He also didn’t have the play design of Kliff Kingsburg at his disposal like Kyler Murray. The jury is still out. I am not ready to labe him a bust yet. If he keeps improving he could step into a starting spot and perform if someone gets injured. I think Sam Darnold is much more of a bust than Rosen. Darnold played for three years and failed to impress anyone. But he also played for a bad team with a bad coach.
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Dang I was hoping this video was gonna be about something else :/
Josh will have the last laugh on all the haters and the tainted NFL...He can sit on a beach sipping pina coladas for the rest of his life if he wants to and save his body for it not to be completely wrecked in middle age...Yeah, the kid has a bratty attitude because at the end of the day, he has tons of options in life other than football...He is already set for life financially.
Because he barely got to play 1 season. If you don’t give a guy a chance to grow he’s not going to
Could you doooooo Tim Tebow next!?!?!??????!?????????,,???!!!