OMG: HELLE Knife with major quality problems!!!! NOT RECOMMENDED!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ย. 2024
- I just got me a brand new HELLE Alden Knife, and I´m really disappointet about the Quality of HELLE Knives.
Look at the Details that I Show you in the Video ,and you know WHY!!!
So I DONT RECOMMEND you buying one. Save your Money!
Hope this helps you.
Mike
I own six Helle knives and each and every one of them is of the highest quality and craftsmanship. Over the years they have all served me with distinction, both camping and hiking.
How is the edge retention of helle?
@ Edge retention is excellent.Oh yeah, if you purchase a good knife Helle or another brand don't do that so called 'batoning.' A hatchet is for chopping and splitting wood. A knife is for cutting and slicing.
@ excellent.
Same, no idea what this guy is complaining about
That's not a secondary bevel. Helle uses a laminated steel. What your seeing is the harder internal layer showing through at the edge. The outer layers are softer but more resistant to rust. Kind of a best of both worlds thing. All the other things you showed suck though. I think you just got a bad one. I just bought one and it's perfect.
I believe on the Alden they don't use the laminated steel but 12C27 stainless steel
Giantsfan0719 TRUE. I especially picked that model because of the FACT that this knife has NO LAMINATED steel. just plain 12C27.
@@survivalmike then they have made the knife wrong. you can easily see that it is a tripple laminated blade
They don’t use the triple laminate
When they finished the knife the free hand grind the knife on a machine with a very fine grit belt. And when the guy change side and back the angle shifted because it's very hard to see and feel that change because of the very fine grit belt.
I´m norwgian and work in a outdoors store where we sell A LOT of Helle knifes. This is unquestionably fake. Might be a production error, but i doubt that since the knifes are handmade. And you sir, sounds like a little child. Return it if you´re not satisfied. Helle knifes comes with a lifetime guaranty...
maqnuz
It's not a fake looks exactly the same as the original
Looking for a nice fixed blade im going to get one for my birthday in a couple days i plan to EDC. Probably last knife i will get for years, think i will get a HELLE.
Wow... bet you feel.like a real man... I mean, using all those cuss words, mispronouncing Helle, and being a total jerk. Love how you can denounce Helle's overall company quality over issues with one knife. Gotta love TH-camrs creating controversy.
To be honest I've seen some more Helle knives kinda like this.
Also they don't really seem to be the sturdiest of knives for survival.
However just fine as a good bushcraft/hunting knife (what I believe they're mostly designed for)
and ergonomic.
This is an old video, but still I think it could be useful for those that are considering buying this knife. I have bought mine in 2019, and on comparison with what we see in the video, there are absolutely no issues in my knife as seen here. Handle, blade, leather cover - all of excellent quality, absolutely. So, it was either a production error with a particular knife, or a fake copy of the knife produced illegaly. Mine is a fantastic knife. So, I guess those who consider buying it just have to check the particular knife before buying it, and that should resolve all problems.
Honestly, it is really sad how many of you in the comments are believing this guy. If you looked a bit further than this review for some Helle reviews, you would find that their knives are a lot better than this guy is making them out to be. Anyone who knows their stuff with knives would never call Helle "crap". I have owned 7 Helle knives over the course of three years, and out of the box, they were perfect, with almost no flaws. None of mine have had any issues at all. Also, these knives ARE NOT MEANT FOR BATONNING THROUGH LOGS. I don't know why the U.S. thinks that just a knife should be able to do everything. Knives are for lighter duty, you would use an axe or hatchet for heavier needs.
I agree, a tool has a purpose, axes are to splitting, knives are for skinning, carving, cutting etc.
T'khota Tia but if it can so why not?
This is not a large knife, and it's not meant for batoning. I have a small Gransfors axe that can do everything a knife can. Even whittle. But that doesn't mean I won't use a knife when it's more convenient.
Helle's are bushcraft/hunting knives.
They're not survival knives.
Light batoning should be oké
But it's not an axe or heavy duty full tang survival knife.
@Ace Buck never sharpened it? U either have a lightsaber, u basicly havent used it, a superdull knife or your full of crap. No knifesteel can do 30 years of moderate use and keep an edge. What model is it? I need a few if thats the case
The reason for the two colors in the blade are that the blade is made from laminated steel with different carbon content. the darker edge steel has higher carbon content and is harder. It's not because of different grind angels. I know that on some knives they put a secondary micro bevel, but mot that high up on the blade.
You're right about the high carbon center but that bevel was way off center exposing more of it on one side of the blade. Also creating that point to be off center
I don’t believe that is a real Helle knife.
Helle is a great knife company that makes great products.
Don’t believe this guy, this is pure click bait !!
Id bet what u have is a Chinese knockoff and not an actual Helle
I agree
I 100 percent agree I have 2 and they are amazing
Yeah, Norway's blades are legendary, this streak of hardy blades have gone back as far as the viking age.
Helle also sells their blades alone ( unfinished) from certain retailers so that you can finish the knife yourself if you like. Looks like someone might have picked up one of those and tried to pass it off as the fully finished model. Just a possibility I know I would be very carefull who I bought from it could be a shotty finish job but the legit blade.
This guy might be revuewing a knock off or something. I just received my Helle Viking and I love it. Best quality you can get for the price and the sheath is A1 quality thick leather.
I think this review is so unfair and untrue. To say that they used to have the best quality and then put them down now as the worst is unacceptable and a lie!!!
Have you tried to contact Helle? If so, what did they say?
I do not agree with what you are saying in the description. Judging the whole company based on one bad experience is just wrong. Quality control is never perfect and a company can't produce 100% unfaulty products. Thats why we have the possibility to contact them and get a refund/new knife.
I agree. I got my Dokka wet while sharpening it and the scales swelled and warped. I contacted Helle and they sent me a new knife. Now I have two - and have oiled them so they are waterproof and don't swell. First class company and a pleasure to deal with. Want a handmade tool? Get a Helle. Want a machine made tool? Get something else.
I mean.. This is too much fun now xD
That actually looks like a Chinese copy.
Are you sure?
That's absolutely a fake!!! Copy
I own and love my helle. Some of the best knives for the money and comfort in the hand
I have had the same Helle knife for 14 years. Never had a problem with it. Still looks great and cuts perfect. Granted it's another model, but I love it.
The darker part of that bevel is the core carbon steel laminated (sandwitched) between two layers of stainless steel.
Is this guy for real wtf does he expect from a leather sheath, it's LEATHER!!!
I wanted to send a comment about poor quality of Helle knifes when I have decided to do a little research. So...they are not bad, they are good, really good for a price. You have to get them from thrusty seller. Not Ali Express neither outdoor shops.
I have a Helle Gaupe, and, it's perfect, and, performs perfectly. You must be unlucky to have not gotten one like mine. After watching the video again, it looks to me as someone bought the blade blank for $30, then, finished the knife themselves, including the sheath. They also messed with the blade. There is no doubt in my mind this is what you have.
My Helle was past to me from my Grand Pa.... I think you got paid by a competitor company or you got it in a Chinese website. Sorry man I don't believe you.
Did you buy a fake knife real cheap?
Just contact Helle and they will help you. It is one of the nicest companies out there.
I mean... I can't promise anything xD Not exactly a company, but I'd like to think I'm nice though!
@@hellesofiechristiansenwiig3806 lol you just searched your own name on youtube and stumbled on this vid didn't you
I completely agree. I have new Helle Eggen and knife is terrible. Grind is uneven, tip is way off and the worst thing is the blade is not even straight. It bends to one side. I also have Helle Lapknife and it is not any better. Helle is crap! Don't buy it!
Talking about Norwegian, I have Knivstromeng and those knives are great. I have many knives in my collection and some of them I use very often. By being unsetisfied customer does not make me a child. It's more like a child made some of Helle's knives. I believe the quality of Helle knives was much better in the past.
that looks like a knock off.
I have had my helle knife knife for 15 years know. Still good. Never let me down.
It should be better, but we don't really know that this isn't a knock-off or previously abused and returned item. Where would all those handle nicks come from with previous use or the factory purposefully "distressing" the wood (no reason for them to do that). Those nicks would not come from a sanding operation. I bought a used Brusletto online, and there are some indications it may be fake. Maybe that's what this is.
You must have been really unlucky? They got amazing customer service. If you had contacted them or the distro affiliated with the shop you got them from, they would have sorted you out.
Deep In the sheath where the blade sits there is an inner liner that protects the threads of the sheath, therefore it does not need a clumsy looking bolster. The knife is good value for the price.
I cant really say much about thw handle but the grind is fine. It looks like there's two grind angles because its a triple laminated steel. Its made of two different steels that were forged together
Its not two grind angles. Its just laminated. Do your research
I'd agree with this video. If I'm paying 200 for a knife I expect everything finished.
My Helle knife handle is a wee bit shorter than listed in the specs and caused a hot spot in my large-sized hands. A little sanding and it is the finest and most comfortable knife I ever owned. Very happy with it. Shame they appear they no longer deliver to Malta, I would have bought more.
Im thinking this may be a knife where it did NOT pass the QC but are sold at discounted prices. Im curious if he bought this from a secondary seller and they passed it off as top QC
Damn I'm reading the comments and many have complaints about Helle. I have 4 Helle knives, never had a complaint about their knives. 2 of them are factory second, I prefer to buy those because of the price drop. Even the factory second ones are great! Just a few cosmetic marks that I certainly don't mind, as it does not effect the strength or performance of the knife in any negative way. Don't know what happened to your knife, are you sure you bought it new? Or off of someone claiming it was new? Those marks in the handle make it look like it was used, or thrown around maybe. If you do decide to buy a new one, hopefully it will come out a lot better!
They are great knives...the grind angle you see is the triple laminate steel. 2 stainless steel outer and one center carbon. That's the darker line you see. They are great knives
Instead of destroying Helles reputation on TH-cam just cause your pissed off just send it back and they will replace it
tom smyth I did sent em several mails before I did anything. they didn't reply to any of them. so I decided to make it public and aware others who may think getting one. if you read the comments you will see there are quite a lot of people who have the same problem. it would have never come to that stage if helle ever replied to a single mail. but no, they don't want to have satisfied customers. sorry, but free speach is a given right. of you don't like it that's your thing.
If you bought it directly from Helle, try contacting Anders Haglund, the Sales/Marketing Director: anders.haglund@helle.com Probably not the right person to contact but he should be able to hook you up to the right person.
I have the Helle Temagami and the other day I used it to carve a large square indent into a piece of pine wood for a fence post bracket and I hit a knot in the wood. When I checked the blade later, I found a really tiny portion (less than 2 mm) of the edge had rolled. It was almost invisible, you could only see it when the light was reflecting off of the blade at the right angle. I certainly was not expecting this to happen as I've used it a lot with no problems, but I'm not complaining, a few swipes over a fine sharpening stone will get rid of it and Helle also sent the knife to me for free. The handle was a little dry when it arrived as well, so I had to oil it, but apart from those two minor problems, it's such a nice knife. I've had the knife since May 2015, and I use it a lot and haven't had any other problems.
Mike, I just got a Helle last weekend at Houston, Tx. Gun Show. Wow this knife is wonderful I got the Didi Galgalu NR610. From the moment I saw it and now I have it home it is a perfect knife. Quality is !00%. The sheath is perfect. The packing tube has the same quality. Blade is perfect and point is centered. This model has the most amazing wood in the handle. I hope you have a great day. I love this knife and is nothing like what you state. George Houston, Tx.
That looks like a second or a knockoff did you buy direct or from an after market seller?
I must of lucked out when I purchased a Skog. It came laser sharp with no problems with workmanship or quality. Sorry to hear of your shortcomings.
Sorry sir, but you do not quite know what you are talking about. There are not two bevels on the blade, it is the welded line between the carbon steel and the soft steel that you see. The blade is laminated!!!
But it is not centered though….
Ehh just asking: Isn't the bottom of the grind a bit darker because it is laminated steel? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Benjamin, you are right with the laminated steel when it comes to older Helle-knifes. I have two Alden right in front of me from a friend to bring them back to life - the are made of 12C27 Sandvik !!
Best regards, Hound.
Where was this knife purchased from? It looks used? I'd send it back to the retailer.
Judging a whole company with positive previous experiences based on one knife?
***** Yeah that seems to be a frequent issue, i've even read Woodtrekkers review of the Helle Viking and the grind was off to the side, so that seems to be quite a frequent issue.
you are a damn fool....one of the best knives around.
Why not send it back to the factory for their opinion and possible replacement. After all Helle's reputation is at stake. It is worth a try.
It's actually a laminated blade . The difference in the color on the blade is the transition between the two different steels.
Dude I paid over $100 for my helle Viking knife. The blade is crooked to the handle and the steel isn’t very good. Very large chips in the blade from carving a piece of wood really had me scratching my head. Poorly finished for what I paid at scheels brand new so I believe you my dude
The darker part on the edge is not a different grind angle. The blade has 3 different layers of steel to make the knife more durable.
All i use for outdoor knives and my favorite knives are helle. I highly recommend them
I have a few older Eggen's and I use them all the time. Haven't found any issues. Maybe it's the newer blades?
it looks like the newer blades have major quality issues. I also never had any problems with the older models, but within the last 12 months I heard from 5 different helle knives from several people about major quality issues.
I agree that knife did not meet quality control. However that so called secondary grind you think you see is a laminated steel. I have Helle knives that are very nice. This is not all their knives.
Those are not two different grind angles they are the different steel lines from it being stainless steel laminated over carbon steel lol but I agree otherwise poor finishing
Not sure I would write off the whole company. If it were me I would send it back and have them send me another. If that one sucked too I would then have a problem. I have a cabin in Jackson Hole area and everytime I go to town I stop by a knife shop there that has helle blades and I always pull a few out and oogle them. From what I have seen the quality is quite good. But you can get a lemon from any company. The sheath doesn't surprise me too much. I have had quite a few nice fixed blades that came with pretty crappy sheaths. Sucks, but it's sometimes a cost cutting measure so they can charge less for the knife.
Have you contacted HELLE?
Isn't that second color is the laminated steel?
i love my alden knife and it doesnt have any of the problems you are showing, maybe its just yours?
theres nothing wrong with your knife
People buy real knives then take a fake back to return and nobody notices then some poor person ( you ) then buys it
Thanks for the heads up.. I hope the fix their problem. I was hoping to get a Utvear, but I guess I'll hold off for a while till I hear positive feed back.
I heard from bad heat treatment as well, and the utvaer was part of it. I am still waiting for a reply from helle. but I definitely recommend you to wait until helle solved all those quality issues. I really hope they do and not sell sh** like that in the future.
Bought a Futura from Knifeworks years ago, bolster was crooked with small gaps and blade had no markings of any kind. Knife had to be a second but was sold as perfect!!!
Mass production. Quantity over quality.
2:07 its tripple laminated steel the dark color is because the steel they use in the middle is harder than the outside and its there ti hold an edge while altso protecting it
I’m no expert new to knives and although I prefer Italian pipes over danish I’ll take a danish knife over any other
I have the helle arv which was my pride and joy for a while til I actually took it out bushcrafting and realized how soft the blade is and now that I've gotten into spooncarving and how quickly the blade dulls from softwoods like basswood is incredible for a $170 knife
I would have sent it back and had it replaced. . . . I think Helle would stand behind their knives. . .
You should use a full tang knife to baton, rather than a non full tang
Funny to hear an Austrian saying, "That's bullshit." But, there is no doubt that the contextual usage was absolutely correct. Thanks for the review.
I own three Helle knives they are all perfect and amazing knives from and amazing company.
I’m sure you could get that slightly less than perfect knife replaced if you wanted as they do offer warranty against manufacture faults . Then you could post a positive video about how amazing Helle knives truly are..
I also had bad luck with my Futura, but I bought two more, the Eggen and the Utvaer, beautiful knives, good leather! Send them a message, complain and be satisfied, these are beautiful knives.
well folks will complain yet it is still a good knife if you can make better do and try to sell it at worst this is one of the few euro knives I can buy if you don't want the buy a Chinese knife but try to make them yourself . the point it is a good knfe if you don't like them look at them at a shop and chose then but to complain like this is crap not the knife .
So I had posted something below a while back also complaining about quality of some I had seen in a store. BUT recently I saw some new ones in another shop and they were all good. Good grinds, everything looked just fine. So hopefully they got everything sorted.
Have you contacted Helle yet and what did they say.
I did.....still waiting for reply
I have a Helle Odel and the temagami.
I put a cord wrapped handle on the Temagami blade blank and I love it.
These knives are very sharp and made well. No one is perfect. Give them a chance and a follow up vid.
did you take it up with the company? or did you just go straight for making a video to damage them?
Corky I did claim it first and wrote them emails about it as well......no response at all. that's why I made this video.
oh well that was cool of you. id be upset if i were you, too, but i dunno if one crappy knife slipping through the QC cracks is worth damning the whole company over.
Corky it was the second one in two months only of the ones I ordered....and they didn't do anything. this maybe is the only language they understand. bad publicity. my older models were great but two out of two made me make this decision and never buy anything more from them.
dang... bummer. i wonder whats going on at Helle then.
Corky whatever it is. .....their customer service suck. and it looks like the quality control is far away from acceptable.
The main thing, does it work as a knife?
If you buy a brand New car for the money of a new one, and you get a beat up one instead, do you still ask if it can drive? Sure the knife will cut, but QM failed totally. No Response from Helle. If you read the other comments from different people you will see that they have the same issue. Thats Not how you treat a customer. Thats why I made this Video to point that out. Cheers.
I have owned Helle knives for over 15 years,probably upwards of 30 different Helle knives I've had and I can only remember ONE that was subpar.You got a bad one but Helle knives has been making some of the BEST knives for Bushcraft for a very long time. I am obsessed with Gransfors Bruks Axes I have a bunch of them and again there was ONE that was just off and not up to par for what Gransfors Bruk 99% of the time produces,so you got a subpar knife it happens,but its an extremely reputable knife making company and has been for many decades.
picked up a Hellen Eggen this year. It had galls between the blade and the handle allowing for water to penetrate. Very unhappy with their current QC. Guess I'll stick with Mora.
Jonathan Zook, it does have a lifetime warranty, they'll probably repair or better yet replace, just read through the little manual in the bottom of the cannister, it goes a long way, especially for this guy, who has done little to no research.
I wonder why you didn't give the knife back right away. Or did you know that it is a C quality and that you got it without any guarantee or warranty. Sorry, but you are not being honest and serious in this video.
I don't know where your at, but in the States, Helle knives are pretty expensive. I would never pay $169 for something like that unless the fit and finish was perfect.
I did also pay that amount. I live in europe and Helle are not cheap here too. I did buy it from a Helle Dealer online, not ebay nor any chinese site, however I contacted helle 2 times and confronted them with this quality issues before uploading the video. I NEVER got any reply. I also send them the link from the video afterwards and told them to take it down if they have any solution for me or at least a statement. nothing till today. Their customer support is crap as far as my experience with them goes. I did have 2 options back then.....1. send the knife back (then I would have to pay the shipping costs back, with no refund) or 2. make a video and refurbish it my own. I decided that 2 would fit better for me, so thats what I did.
I am sure that there was something wrong with the one you recieved. However, I looked at several Helle knives in a reputable shop and I was disappointed in all of them. I did not see as many problems as you have but there was no way I would buy one. I do not have large hands, but none of the handles were usable. I also saw some uneven grinds. After looking at them several times I have taken Helle off my list of knives for my collection. They do look nice. I have a Finnish made knife and of course several Moras that I enjoy.
Send the knife directly to Helle`s managing director and simply ask him to review it himself .... I bet something happens! atb Jim
That was a bit harsh when you said not to buy one of HELLE isn't it?
I have just taken delivery of this exact Knife today, and i agree, its not the best finished.
Took it to my workshop and sanded the wood down with 320 grit paper and ground the steel back to get rid of the pittings and it looks ten times better, rubbed it up on my whetstone and the blade is amazing, ultra sharp, you shouldn't have to for this price, but i like the knife.
I still love it :) and use it everyday
This is very strange, I actually bought a Helle this past summer and didn't have any of those issues. The grinds were even, the edge was centered, the handle was spotless, and the sheath was excellent. I don't know why this one is so different.
Factory second, perhaps?
***** Could be.
It looks fine to me. I have same one. It is perfect knife.
That line is supposed to be there, its because its softer Steel on the sides and harder in the middle three layers, thats is to make it Easy to sharpen. You should read the card in the box its all there explained. I use helle myself. The old ones only had the hard layer. But yes they got sloppier with the finish after the became Too popular and started mass production. Im not satifisfied with the piece of wood chosen for my last jaktmester helle knife. But its supposed to be those lines so you can see the layers
I see folks saying below that Mike does not know what he is talking about. To that I say I have been making knives for 50 years as well as restoring historical knives and I own many older Helle's and none of them are like this they are top quality stuff, the knife he shows in the video is crap period and it should have never left the factory. It is not properly finished, it is ground unevenly and quite poorly at that, he didn't mention it but the ferrule does not even mate to the tang ends and stands proud of the blade tang shoulders. That thing is a train wreck. It sure as hell would never leave my shop.
Absolute bollocks, you’ve obviously been tampering with this knife to make it look bad. Best knifes I’ve ever owned
I just bought a Helle Utvær so fingers crossed this isn't a common problem.
*update* luckily my knife is near perfect, perhaps their quality control has been a bit lax lately.
I have several Helle knives and regard them as first choice at the price point. They are also proud of their reputation and craftsmanship and if you return your knife with details of your dissatisfaction I am sure they would feel able to help you.
Thanks for letting us know about this. I would not be very happy if I had paid good money for a knife like that. Helle Knives in the past have had such a great reputation for excellent quality. It looks like they had better step it up and fix the quality.
its laminated steel! not an inconsistent grind
I agree. In February 2018 I bought the Fjellkniven knife.I researched the different styles and really liked this style for my needs. After I got it I sadly noticed small scratches on the blade and also there was some very minor chips or nicks in the blade. Also the sheath was very disappointing as it was only a mediocre quality at best. It had very thin leather and not what I would expect after seeing all the videos.
While inspecting the sheath closer I saw that the rivet for the belt loop was bent out into the sheath and almost about to scratch the beautiful wood handle. I bent it back a little but it just seemed like a very flimsy gauge making me think it would not hold up in the future. I returned it to the distributor posted my feelings on their page of why I returned it and never heard from them or Helle, so say what you want but it seems like more than a few bad knives are slipping through the cracks.
How was the edge retention?
the difference you see in the steel is because its laminated not because of two different angles
no its not buddy, because this is not a laminated steel. it's a pure 12C27.
+survivalmike my mistake, i just bought the Helle Graup today, the blade doesn't have the best seal on the handle, theres a space at the spine of the blade when its supposed to meet the handle, a little disappointed with that quality
survival mike, you had bad luck, the maker had a bad day or whatever, send it back, write to Helle, tell them, they will send you another knife, or the money.... take the money and go on...
That looks like an old knife, never seen one like that, even the handle looks worn
"Well, that's bullshit!" I lolled!
the line on the blade is the triple laminated steal
the line that you see on the grind, does not come from different angles. it is a result of the polishing/finishing. they grind the scandi bevel on the unfinished bladeblank. that grind goes crossways. After that the blade gets polished lenghtways by hand, but they do not polish all the way to the apex of the edge (to not round it off, and/or not cut into the buffing wheel, i guess). So what you see are two different blade finishes. I dont like it too, though. The flaws, you showed are obviously not acceptable. hand made shoud not be an excuse for bad work. cheers, simon