The First Thunderbolt 5 Hub - First Look and Test on M4 Max

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  • @AhmedSelod
    @AhmedSelod 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I really appreciate these kind of videos as it introduces me to these products that find useful for myself. Keep them up!

  • @Mr.C0ffee
    @Mr.C0ffee 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Love seen more Thunderbolt 5 docks coming out. That way thunderbolt 4 prices come down so that I can actually buy thunderbolt 3

  • @PatrickRambles
    @PatrickRambles 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It's out! 🙌

  • @Cartergame
    @Cartergame 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great videos, Aaron!

  • @JustAPersonWhoComments
    @JustAPersonWhoComments 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great review on Thunderbolt 5 Hub!

  • @micksmithson6724
    @micksmithson6724 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My OWC TB5 Dock arrived on 29th December (its more like the equivalent of a TB5 Caldigit Elements Hub than a Dock).
    Its connected to a 14"MBP (M4 Pro) and plugged into it are:
    1. Cadigit Elements Hub with Dual Apple Studio Displays
    2. Inateck USB4 Enclosure wiith Hynix P.41 2TB NVME (Write 3,500MBps, Read 3,302MBps-using 5GB Stress test on BlackMagic disk test
    3. . 2nd Caldigit Elements hub with Acasis Enclosure and WD Black 2TB SN770 (3099 Write, 2900 Read) and dual 2.5 Gbe USN Adapters connected
    4. USB A with Logitech Bolt
    So far no issues, slightly faster transfer speeds using Enclosures and no dramas. And yes it will drive dual 5K Studio displays @60Hz either connected directly or via another UBB4 Hub connected to one of the TB5 ports on the dock

  • @kshep2222
    @kshep2222 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really appreciate the fact that this is a *hub* and not a *dock*. Sure, you could add ethernet... and SD card slots... and more USB-A ... and HDMI... and DisplayPort... but I'm not looking for another $400 all-in-one device. I already have an older dock for all of that. What I don't have is enough ports on my M4 Pro Mac Mini to connect 3 monitors, my dock, and an external Thunderbolt 5 drive. This gives me a (relatively) low cost way to simply add two (net) T5 ports as a sort of stop-gap until the T5 eco system is more mature. Particularly the 2024 Mac Mini form factor dock market.

  • @sirhumphrey6375
    @sirhumphrey6375 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Happy new year Aaron ! thanks for all your hard work and what seemed like 24 hour a day availability throughout 2024, I really appreciate it

  • @TechlikeL
    @TechlikeL 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Really appreciate your work. Thank you. Keep it up!! 😊

  • @rosestines66
    @rosestines66 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cool video Aaron ❤😊

  • @garynagle3093
    @garynagle3093 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love owc quality. Thank you for sharing this updated product

  • @Juraiprince
    @Juraiprince 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would be great if they made a Thunderbolt hub that fits either under or on top of the Mac mini as well as one for the Mac Studio. Thanks Aaron for another great video! Happy New Year, all! 🎉

  • @Name-b4b1v
    @Name-b4b1v 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m always amazed about how fast these things can get, you’d transfer data in no time if you also have a fast wifi speed. 😊

  • @Traveler1823
    @Traveler1823 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video as always Aaron!

  • @bobmetzger51
    @bobmetzger51 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Had a TB 4 OWC hub and it worked flawlessly. However I really disliked the port that connected to the was on the FRONT of the hub. Happily, they moved it to the back.

  • @JDFloyd
    @JDFloyd 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am a fan of OWC products, and have purchased at least a dozen over the years. What still amazes me is that they do not have a dock with internal NVME capacity: there are several brands that do.

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      probably due to them selling their own SSD's/

    • @JDFloyd
      @JDFloyd 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zollotech - OWC sells DIY enclosures, that allow you to use any SSD or HDD. So...not buying the idea that it would not have an OWC drive.

  • @michaellatta
    @michaellatta 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I wish they had used a usbc power supply to allow use with multi-port gan chargers.

  • @jeffhale1189
    @jeffhale1189 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for sharing. Blessings on your day.

  • @mil546
    @mil546 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank you.

  • @mvp_kryptonite
    @mvp_kryptonite 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the initial review. It should have used USBC power imo. Also missing SD Card slot and headphone jack not just ethernet.
    Is it a different range compared to the external drive, the gloss finish was a complete mismatch when you connected both units

  • @AmusementAndAdventure
    @AmusementAndAdventure 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hi Aaron, When testing the new OWC Thunderbolt 5 Hub with only my MacBook Pro (M4 Pro) and one of my ACASIS TB4 SSD Enclosures I only get around 950MB/s write speed, 2800MB/s read speed with the new Hub. When connected directly to my MacBook the read and write speeds are both 2800MB/s, any ideas ???

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      First make sure the cable is TB4, next make sure it's going to one of the TB docks in back. Isolate it so no other devices are plugged into the hub first to see if that makes a difference. Please report back what you find, this could be crucial info people need to know on deciding whether to buy: because a TB4 hub will perform better than that and cost less.

    • @AmusementAndAdventure
      @AmusementAndAdventure 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Äpple-pie-5k @zollotech The Write speeds are the same (950MB/s) when using any of the ports on the Hub.
      I have also tried using Thunderbolt 4 cables as well as Thunderbolt 5 cables and it makes no difference. One thing I did notice today was that the Hub initially only connected to the MacBook and SSD at an even slower 43MB/s speed until the Thunderbolt 5 cable connecting the MacBook to the Hub was disconnected and reconnected on the MacBook.
      It then started working again at 950MB/s Write and 2800MB/s Read.
      I also received a reply from OWC following my email to them and they have replied saying that :-
      "Customers may experience slower performance speeds (mainly write speeds) when using external storage devices with Thunderbolt 4 and Thunderbolt 5 docks and hubs.
      Slower performance has been experienced on Intel/M1 Macs and also Windows PCs. These performance decreases are seen when using external storage devices through hubs/docks over Thunderbolt 4/5, and are not isolated solely to OWC products.
      Our Engineering Team continues to evaluate drive performance over Thunderbolt 4 and Thunderbolt 5 in an effort to improve speeds.
      I do hope they will be able to identify a fix for the issue, but it does sound like a problem that has been around for a while and may come from an Intel implementation / chip design perspective.
      Obviously from Aaron's video the Hub appears to work fine with Thunderbolt 5 SSD Enclosures, but not good if you want to get the best speeds out of your Thunderbolt 4 Enclosures.

    • @spiritualrealities
      @spiritualrealities 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I have the same problem. Write speeds through with two of my thunderbolt 4 drives is about 500MB/s. One of them get 1300MB/s all three of them have read speeds of 2800MB/s. Apple system says that the hub is giving them access to 40GB of bandwidth. OWC have just asked me to do a ton of diagnostic tests involving plugging in to other machines. I have tried every combination I can. My thunderbolt 4 drives average 2500 MB/s write when plugged directly into my Mac Mini M4 Pro. Through the hub they crawl, even when they are they only thing plugged in. I think something may be off and they will need to release a firmware update. I would hold off buying for a while. Mine is going back.

  • @SignorLuigi
    @SignorLuigi 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I would have liked to see three 3.1 USB A ports for "legacy" devices. Devices like the new M4 Mac Mini Pro have no USB A ports so it's really helpful to have a hub that offers those USB A ports.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd like to see everything USB C style. If you're rockin' a $200 dock running off some M4 Pro with thunderbolt 5, you should have sold your legacy stuff on Craigslist first. But if you really need it get a USB-C-to-A dongle. It's 2025 for heaven's sake, stop making us use 2012 ports in the name of everything holy! Especially stop making us use USB-A-to-C convertors. Crikey's sake!
      Cheers and happy 2025! Out with the old (USB-A), in with the new (USB-C)! 🥂

    • @SignorLuigi
      @SignorLuigi 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Äpple-pie-5k Hi Apple! I absolutely would like to see everything USB C. I'm amazed at how many products STILL come with micro-USB A plugs in the USA! 🤮 Having said that , I do hate to use precious and expensive Thunderbolt 4 or 5 ports on a hub for devices that absolutely don't need that "power." So I still think hubs should come with 3.1 USB ports. Just make them with USB C form factors. What do you think?

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SignorLuigi Yes. Perfectly right, signore.

  • @sdk93
    @sdk93 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I do not understand why these kinds of docks have a separate (not integrated) power supply. Why not integrate it? I *want* the dock to be heavier, and not slide around as much! And it's not portable either, so that's not a reason for it....
    Also, why is the port you connect your PC to on the back, and not the one on the front? How many people have truly portable thunderbolt accessories they want to plug into the dock at the front on a non-permanent basis?

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You can’t as it would be too big

    • @sdk93
      @sdk93 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@zollotech I mean, the power brick has to be stored somewhere too. I'd personally take the current form factor, just slightly thicker (literally the power brick attached at the bottom, if necessary) over having it like this.... I understand that that's my personal preference though :)

    • @TheIpadiphone
      @TheIpadiphone 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Because your not an engineer, think about it why couple apple make a charging mat? Heat dissipation issues

    • @MightyRob1
      @MightyRob1 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      There may be the consideration that if the power supply failed and needed to be replaced it is easier to have them be separate components… And/or it’s cheaper to manufacture separately because you can purchase power supply and only have to design the dock itself in-house. There is a reason and it’s usually money and whatever is cheaper.

    • @rorywalters1614
      @rorywalters1614 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      These kind of docks run really hot when in operation, integrating the power supply will make the matter worse.

  • @samuelmurmu3163
    @samuelmurmu3163 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I as an Indian would have kept the plastic on for long lasting 😁

    • @SignorLuigi
      @SignorLuigi 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Best comment ever!! I'm not Indian, but I would have kept the plastic on for the same reason. 🤣🤣🤣🤝🤝🤝

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SignorLuigi Most things get scratched in the first two months. Because that's when you're still repositioning them and not accustomed to where they are. So it's good to leave it on for the first 2 months. HOWEVER, I wonder a little bit about heat dissipation. It's like wearing a Latex bodysuit in summer!

    • @SignorLuigi
      @SignorLuigi 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Äpple-pie-5k Latex bodysuit! 😱😂

  • @d-zone
    @d-zone 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    pretty mean only having 3 -> down TB5 ports and 1 x USB-A, it's twice the width/size of the TB4 variant. I'm sure CalDigit will release a better dock with more ports. Not sure the power supply can be described as nice/great, it's a power supply.......

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It’s great and that it’s powerful enough to handle charging your laptop and everything else that’s connected to it

    • @d-zone
      @d-zone 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@zollotech My TB4 OWC dock can do that too but is 50% smaller. It's a shame they don't do one that doesn't require such a power brick when connected to a MacMini/Studio that needs no more power.

  • @XzavierJack89
    @XzavierJack89 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How many external screens will simultaneously operate through this hub? My current hub I have to plug one hdmi into the MacBook Pro w/ M4 Pro chip directly.
    I’m looking for a hub that will support 3 screens simultaneously via one card to the MacBook.

  • @solberg87
    @solberg87 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Most likelly coming with a dock version soon with RJ45 port

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah let's tell 'em to also make the power-input USBc for compatibility with multiport GaN chargers, and to swap out the USB-A port for a USB-C with a little $1.50 C-to-A adaptor thrown in the box. I'd pay $300 for this instead of being constantly annoyed by looking every day at my desk at how my hub falls short.

  • @MacManSpann
    @MacManSpann 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Does it use just one bus on the computer? Or, does this hub has its own bus built in? I've had problems with hubs before with multiple ports but still uses one usb bus on the computer causing some equipment to choke.

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It’s not USB, it’s thunderbolt so it handles it all over one within the dock typically

  • @SJG33
    @SJG33 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Your only complaint is no ethernet, mine would be that this is a hub with hardly any additional ports. It gives you 2 additional TB5 ports one standard USBC and one USBA not great in my mind. When you mentioned the price I thought wow thats cheap for TB5 whats the catch. Let's hope they bring out other TB5 hubs with more ports.

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Basically based on running 4k-6k monitors over the ports I think

  • @groovechild9903
    @groovechild9903 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mine arrived a couple of weeks ago, so far so good, but why did they place the lights on the underside where they can’t be seen. Obvious place would have been near the power switch. 🤯

  • @hiloknowsall7462
    @hiloknowsall7462 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Appreciate your reviews Aaron, but the PR max max you receive makes it hard for any human not to render unbiased opinions. PS TB5 seems very incremental (despite its theoretical 2x bandwidth than TB4) and only in highly specific use cases would it make more than an SFA difference. ❤😊

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s not a paid review or anything like that. It’s just a dock or hub. I almost didn’t make the video, but I figured someone would want to see it.

  • @georgee3401
    @georgee3401 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks good. I assume this would connect a Studio Display to a MacBook Pro. Correct? Many thanks!

    • @JTech22
      @JTech22 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd think so, the Studio Display also utilizes Thunderbolt so it should connect just fine.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Two Studio Displays, a nice fat 8GB external SSD, and an "ad hoc" USB-A left for your random plug-in _du jour_

  • @h.r.terror9421
    @h.r.terror9421 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Picked up a MBP M4 Max, and was shocked at the lack of TB5 devices on the market. Shouldn't this have been a thing for a while?

  • @xander0901
    @xander0901 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not really in the market for a hub right now, but this does feel a bit in line of what I would expect for a hub of this size. I personally would like to see another USB A/C port on the front, but this should satisfy the needs of most users (laptop, 2 monitors, 1 USB A accessory, 1 USB C accessory).
    Kinda sucks that the industry is still in a space where USB A is needed, so you will always see hubs with at least 1 USB A port to accommodate that.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Happy 2025. Out with the old, in with the new. Boycott USB-A ! Use an adaptor if you really really need it.

  • @garyclark6747
    @garyclark6747 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So after connecting pow er through to the M4, you basically have one port gain because you can add a drive as well as the USB ports. 🫤 4:48

  • @What-supwiththis5448
    @What-supwiththis5448 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One thing I noticed with the 16 pm screen is with the smallest bezels if you touch the screen near the bezel like the edge it actually will cancel what I’m watching on say TH-cam or something it just moves it right off the screen. I’ve had 13 pm and 14 pm never happened before

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think you're commenting on the wrong video. But for fun let me try. I couldn't replicate it in Safari. {Portrait,Landscape} x {non-expanded,Full screen}. Please give steps to replicate.

  • @quadriderhonda
    @quadriderhonda 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Got your notification aaron

  • @brandonfreeman5614
    @brandonfreeman5614 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why are the ports in the back?

  • @ggproductions7078
    @ggproductions7078 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have two of the TB4 versions and what gets me is the power connection being on the same side as the three TB ports. Why, why??!!! I might be the only one, but I would rather have my power cable hanging out the back of the unit and over the desk, and the main ports front on, at the moment you have the power cable in, what for me at least, is an awkward position. If OWC are watching this, could you please consider putting the power input on the other side, please. pretty please!

  • @khoifoto
    @khoifoto 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm able to drive three 4K 144hz monitors with it and I'm happy.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wow, triple "pro-motion+". Incredible. Is that an M4 Pro or an M4 Max needed to pull that off?

  • @hiloknowsall7462
    @hiloknowsall7462 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Did he say FUXKERBOLT 5 @ 0:22 ?😮

  • @rashidtemuri3419
    @rashidtemuri3419 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve been looking for a way to expand the USB-C ports on my MacBook Air M1. I don’t need to get a M4 Mac mini, but the only reason I was considering so this way I have more ports. For the cost of this, it cost half of the Mac mini for I would rather go for Mac mini four but that’s just my preference if this would be $100 or under I would definitely invest in it. If you know a way that I can have one monitor plus power supply and 3 USB-C ports I don’t need thunderbolt ports any device that can do that which is costing under $100. Let me know.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can get a cheaper device. MBA M1 only has Thunderbolt 3 and you're looking at a TB5 in this video. Go to searchbar and find some historic reviews on TB3 hubs, you can probably find some good deals on them now that they're not the latest-greatest-hottest commodity anymore.

  • @TheDanEdwards
    @TheDanEdwards 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Seems like a lot of money just to gain one USB 3 port and three TB ports.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The USB-3 port is a wash, because you lost one plugging it in. But yeah you got three more ⚡ports. That can be very useful indeed. But let me explain it a little more. Let's say you move your MBP from place to place. You plug in ONE cable to its port and all your monitors, your SSD, printer, whatever, all come on. Unplug it and put the one cable back into the Mac Mini. Instant access to everything with one pop. Compare that to messing around unplugging 3 or 4 USB cables from one to the other and not having enough ports for every device, and you've just figured out the raison d'être of the thunderbolt hub.

  • @vette-4-life
    @vette-4-life 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    What a boring hub. 10G Ethernet is missing, additional ports, HDMI, brutal.

  • @MrX8503
    @MrX8503 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Remove USB A, add usb c, hdmi, DisplayPort and Ethernet.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ikr

    • @hiloknowsall7462
      @hiloknowsall7462 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Totz I mean FFS it has to live on desk anyways- why so stingy for? ❤

  • @azamat1534
    @azamat1534 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Aaron, You cannot finish video before I finish my lunch

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well, hopefully we get some sort of update today so there could be another video

  • @isaacsac5
    @isaacsac5 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is this a reputable brand?

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@isaacsac5 very. They’ve been around for years.

  • @MrWaleedthepro
    @MrWaleedthepro 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Isn’t this a dock and not a hub?

  • @ALTRON3
    @ALTRON3 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    not enough ports

  • @rasi_rawss
    @rasi_rawss วันที่ผ่านมา

    This dock auto-disconnects randomly even with 0 devices on it. This is with a latest and greatest M4 Pro MacBook. The older dock of theirs (tb3 11-port version) also sucked. Neither dock can negotiate a 3.0 connection reliably for those devices which support either 2.0 or 3.0. DO NOT BUY

  • @micleeso
    @micleeso 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a shame, no ethernet or display ports.

  • @TechGameDev
    @TechGameDev 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the hub is useless which needs 5 extra thunderbolt port

  • @RYOkEkEN
    @RYOkEkEN 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    disappointed with OWC both Thunderbolt 5 products have very sub design choices, one with an embedded cable and the other a hub lacking ethernet SMH imma have to look up if they got sold or have received investor money, saaaaaaaad

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The embedded cable is something I actually appreciate and had on their previous version. It’s been snagged on things over and over and has never failed. You can take the case apart and replace it though. But I like that you just can’t forget a cable with it.

  • @bladeke
    @bladeke 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A.L.U.M.I.N.I.U.M - aluminium, not aluminum! 😂why is it so difficult for Americans to say it correctly 😂

    • @chav1a589
      @chav1a589 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same with platinum 😂

    • @zollotech
      @zollotech  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Because in the USA it is not aluminium it is aluminum. Both are technically correct scientifically. Do some research on it and you will see.

    • @xander0901
      @xander0901 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Most average European viewer.

    • @Äpple-pie-5k
      @Äpple-pie-5k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@chav1a589 Platinium ;)