Hey John, thanks for highlighting these new 4th axis options! I'm excited for the possibilites with the rotary toolpath. FYI - The swarf toolpath also works in beta mode and limit 4th axis enabled. I used it a while back to mill a twisted helix feature: th-cam.com/video/1T2Qy2uQ8hk/w-d-xo.html.
for most hobby users ... yes. but at least you know that extension excists and you know where to look for in other CAM programs. or if you go professional you know excactly what to ask your boss for. :)
I am so jealous or people who have the ability and can play with this technology. I can only watch with admiration and amazement. Congratulations for contributing to the knowledge base and giving me and others a chance to check it out
@@marouanebenderradji137 if you look at the CAD file they're creating and compare it to what is actually machined, the feature is mirrored. Wandered if the A axis is reversed or if they created the annotated file for video after the fact and just didnt notice.
Inspirational video John. Your ability to convey information so efficiently is really impressive and it raises my standards for my videos. Keep up the good work. -Ken
So, I've got an existing 8" superspacer 4th axis. Is the Microarc handy and useful enough to get in addition/replace the superspacer? I'll be honest, I avoid using it because it's a boat anchor and this just looks so handy. Plus the harmonic drive....
How to setup 4th axis??... where to take offsets ...? How to take x y z A of 4th axis...?? Where to put offset??? What is difference between 3 axis and 4th axis A rotary axis???... Make detail videos and make playlist ...
this is actually 3+1 not simultaneous 4 axis , you can notice that even in the code , each line have only three axis in it which in this code are Y,Z,A.
John, have they come up with rotary toolpaths that are parallel and not perpendicular to the rotary axis yet ? or am I missing something ? In other words placing the table flat on the bed instead of horizontal position ? or is that something you just have to hand code at the moment ?
Hello I know this a one year old video but I'm trying to use flow on a 4rth axis... at your time 11:19 you go back to the geometry tab and click "4 axis limit" in the current version of fusion 360 I'm not seeing that on the geometry tab at all... please help
I am working with a Plasma CNC tube cutting machine and would love to use Fusion to make my pieces with but can't find a way to create tool paths and output the G Codes, any suggestion's or video links?
Have you heard of this company before? 3dhybridsolutions is the company name and thats their website if you wanna check them out. They are an add on for any CNC machine where it builds the model out of basically welding a rough model and then mills it to shape layer by layer. I would love to see what you think about it or if you have tried something like this before
You can program that 2D pocket flat, then add the A axis code manually, if you know what you're doing. Going 5th axis is the real challenge, though. Anyway, cool stuff! Thx for sharing
Do I have to buy and spend "cloud credits" to use the 4th axis features or are they included in the personal edition? Thanks for the video! I really want a 4 axis cnc now :D
Thanks for the video. Just started playing with "Personal version" of Fusion 360. One thing that seems strange is I tried using the 2D contour like you used to make a simple bolt with a hex head and found that it wouldnt let me just machine the cylindrical feature where the threads will go ("can't wrap toolpath" ) but if in my model I only revolved my sketch 359 deg instead of a full 360 then it can unwrap the tool path?
Hey john, I am trying to use some of these fourth axis options in my router but can’t seem to get the settings correct. Either it doesn’t see the geometry as something should be done in a circle, or it says it can’t unwrap cyclical geometry. I have been struggling with this for a couple weeks and just can’t seem to get it figured out
John. Is there a way and would you recommend this tormach 4th axis to be fitted to a Haas Minimill2? Just looking for a cost effective way to add more axises to my setup.
This is the perfect size to build into a welding positioner. (Note I said, perfect SIZE. I realize it's too precise, and therefore too expensive, to be a simple positioner.)
I am trying to do a spiral flute with a key-way cutter using fusion and the contour setting but it will not let me use the side of any cutter when using a wrap technique. Am I doing something wrong or does fusion not allow something like this?
Use a ball EM in z. The reason you can't use a cutter with that profile, to cut a spiral, cutting in from the side, is because it just won't work. It'll be trying to cut in way too many directions at once. (Top, bottom, and periphery of the cutter.) As far as Fusion _LETTING_ you do that CAM path, I don't know whether it will let you, or why you can't get it to, but even if you were able to get the CAM down, it wouldn't work. If you have a mill that you can tilt the head, you can tilt it to the same helix angle, and use an EM to cut in from the side and do a spiral flirting operation.
@@xenonram Currently I am using a ball emdmill in Z. There are companies that do what I am talking about with a radius keyway cutter, I guess it would technically be called a O ring grooving tool.
@@Rabrand1 I'm sure you can get one. A lot of companies will ship internationally if you call them, even if their website says they don't. Maybe look into a Haas mini mill. It's more expensive than a Tormach, but less than a "professional VMC," and better than a Tormach in every way.
@@xenonram live in Salzburg so Emco is right arround the cornor. When the right time comes I will buy one from them and till then i have access to an Emco e360 at my old school. 😁👍
For what reasons do you prefer fusion 360 over solidworks? I am looking to purchase one or the other and would like your opinion. I do Fab work and recently released a video I think you may enjoy. Check it out on my page, thanks!
Try them out. You can use Fusion up until the point you're making $100k. Try it out. The reason there are about a dozen of them, is because people have different preferences and different necessities. So check them out.
Can confirm what NYC CNC replied, Solidworks is meant for some serious modeling/assemblies, but running a CAM in it just sucks in my opinion. Fusion360 is an awesome CAM package with the 100k profit limit and even then the price isn't bad. Also you can do designs with it, it doesn't have all the bells & whistles but it so much depends on your needs.
Would it not be better to simulate the toolpath in fusion first instead of going straight to the machine with the part turned off and colorization set to comparison since wrapping is an off-center toolpath to see if you are cutting into the part.
Tail stock, or some other support system on the other end, will solve that issue. Plus, most gunsmith barrel mill work, that you need rotational 4th axis, needs the whole barrel to be accessible. So putting it through the bore won't help with very much. Things like dovetail grooving for a front sight on a historical rifle, and maybe pinning a muzzle device, are two exceptions. But you don't need a 4th for that. I can't think of anything you'd need to do to a barrel on a 4th axis, where you wouldn't want the whole barrel exposed.
Fyi...this is no longer possible without paying $1600 + $450 per year for fusion360 options. This kinda killed the microarc benifits.
Hey John, thanks for highlighting these new 4th axis options! I'm excited for the possibilites with the rotary toolpath. FYI - The swarf toolpath also works in beta mode and limit 4th axis enabled. I used it a while back to mill a twisted helix feature: th-cam.com/video/1T2Qy2uQ8hk/w-d-xo.html.
Very helpful video when you are using a 770 and 4th axis to build a Curta calculator! Thanks John and co.
PLEASE - can we make a part for that build?! email us! john at saundersmachineworks dot com
10:00 "You have to enable extensions....". Well yes - and you have to subscribe to them, the cost of which is beyond most hobby users.
for most hobby users ... yes. but at least you know that extension excists and you know where to look for in other CAM programs.
or if you go professional you know excactly what to ask your boss for. :)
I am so jealous or people who have the ability and can play with this technology. I can only watch with admiration and amazement. Congratulations for contributing to the knowledge base and giving me and others a chance to check it out
Oh man... I haven't seen this accessory yet. This is the size I need... Might have to pick one up.
How come the CAD is a mirror of the actual part? Is was it just 2 different files?
I didn't understand your qustion
Reversed Z
@@marouanebenderradji137 if you look at the CAD file they're creating and compare it to what is actually machined, the feature is mirrored. Wandered if the A axis is reversed or if they created the annotated file for video after the fact and just didnt notice.
OOO o I was almost going to jump on the tilting six inch 4th axis but this now has me thinking
if santa was real i would have a cnc machine
Inspirational video John. Your ability to convey information so efficiently is really impressive and it raises my standards for my videos.
Keep up the good work.
-Ken
So, I've got an existing 8" superspacer 4th axis. Is the Microarc handy and useful enough to get in addition/replace the superspacer?
I'll be honest, I avoid using it because it's a boat anchor and this just looks so handy. Plus the harmonic drive....
How to setup 4th axis??... where to take offsets ...? How to take x y z A of 4th axis...?? Where to put offset??? What is difference between 3 axis and 4th axis A rotary axis???... Make detail videos and make playlist ...
Unbelievable! Thank you so much for your continued videos! you really have changed everything for people like us! Thank you for the info!
this is actually 3+1 not simultaneous 4 axis , you can notice that even in the code , each line have only three axis in it which in this code are Y,Z,A.
You don't actually explain how to do the SETUP in Fusion.
1:08 I was hoping someone finally found a way to do that modeling by some sort of polar coordinate technique in Fusion :(
9:10 the piece you milled is mirrored vs the drawing!? I think your rotation is wrong? Because the 2d toolpath operation was also not a down cut.
My part is mirrored!!
why is the machined pocket the reverse of your fusion model?
Can i buy Pathpilot for a Chinese mill
Sure; buy the Tormach.
John, have they come up with rotary toolpaths that are parallel and not perpendicular to the rotary axis yet ? or am I missing something ? In other words placing the table flat on the bed instead of horizontal position ? or is that something you just have to hand code at the moment ?
Hello I know this a one year old video but I'm trying to use flow on a 4rth axis... at your time 11:19 you go back to the geometry tab and click "4 axis limit" in the current version of fusion 360 I'm not seeing that on the geometry tab at all... please help
I am working with a Plasma CNC tube cutting machine and would love to use Fusion to make my pieces with but can't find a way to create tool paths and output the G Codes, any suggestion's or video links?
I'm thinking of purchasing a Tormach 1100MX machine and I'm curious of your thoughts on this machine..
You do not have to put your work origin in the center of rotation. You can put it anywhere you like. It depends on what your doing.
Have you heard of this company before? 3dhybridsolutions is the company name and thats their website if you wanna check them out. They are an add on for any CNC machine where it builds the model out of basically welding a rough model and then mills it to shape layer by layer. I would love to see what you think about it or if you have tried something like this before
I Don't think your X should be reversed, The triangular pocket is mirrored from the cad model.
Hey guys, just wondering if we can do 3D pocket clearing and 3D scallop using 4th axis simultaneous?
You can program that 2D pocket flat, then add the A axis code manually, if you know what you're doing. Going 5th axis is the real challenge, though.
Anyway, cool stuff! Thx for sharing
Is it controlled by mach3?
Do I have to buy and spend "cloud credits" to use the 4th axis features or are they included in the personal edition?
Thanks for the video! I really want a 4 axis cnc now :D
The rotary toolpath costs credits now or requires a subscription beyond the standard paid subscription.
@@jong2558 Thanks for letting me know. Disappointing but I guess it was coming.
Yes its $2,000/yr now.
Can the 4th axis table hold square stock, or only cylinders?
Thanks for the video. Just started playing with "Personal version" of Fusion 360. One thing that seems strange is I tried using the 2D contour like you used to make a simple bolt with a hex head and found that it wouldnt let me just machine the cylindrical feature where the threads will go ("can't wrap toolpath" ) but if in my model I only revolved my sketch 359 deg instead of a full 360 then it can unwrap the tool path?
Hey john, I am trying to use some of these fourth axis options in my router but can’t seem to get the settings correct. Either it doesn’t see the geometry as something should be done in a circle, or it says it can’t unwrap cyclical geometry. I have been struggling with this for a couple weeks and just can’t seem to get it figured out
John. Is there a way and would you recommend this tormach 4th axis to be fitted to a Haas Minimill2? Just looking for a cost effective way to add more axises to my setup.
highly doubt it (outside of a crazy / complicated retrofit)
This is the perfect size to build into a welding positioner. (Note I said, perfect SIZE. I realize it's too precise, and therefore too expensive, to be a simple positioner.)
@NYCCNC do you still SprutCam for the things that fusion can't yet do?
Hi John
Could you do a walk throught that wrap feature? Im trying to do a similar thing at the moment and struggling to replicate what you did.
Decent Rotary toolpaths, finaly.
Thanks John and Fusion360 =)
thank you nice
I like the show but your backing music is too loud and sounds like it was dubbed from porn? Just a thought.
Awesome! Are you able to let the Machine set up if you buy a tormach? Or do you need to set it up by yourself? I mean the assembling
You are responsible for all of the setup and most of the assembly.
It's just like a mini-lathe machine.
The audio is messed up . Your voice sounds staticy.
There's gotta be a way to do the positional toolpath without a full z retraction right? (Without hand editing)
Just a post setting
miaa this wiget wensday
I am trying to do a spiral flute with a key-way cutter using fusion and the contour setting but it will not let me use the side of any cutter when using a wrap technique. Am I doing something wrong or does fusion not allow something like this?
Use a ball EM in z. The reason you can't use a cutter with that profile, to cut a spiral, cutting in from the side, is because it just won't work. It'll be trying to cut in way too many directions at once. (Top, bottom, and periphery of the cutter.) As far as Fusion _LETTING_ you do that CAM path, I don't know whether it will let you, or why you can't get it to, but even if you were able to get the CAM down, it wouldn't work. If you have a mill that you can tilt the head, you can tilt it to the same helix angle, and use an EM to cut in from the side and do a spiral flirting operation.
@@xenonram Currently I am using a ball emdmill in Z. There are companies that do what I am talking about with a radius keyway cutter, I guess it would technically be called a O ring grooving tool.
Do you know the holding torque of this component? I looked on the Tormach website and wasn't able to find it in the specs.
That, and how much weight you can hang off it, unsupported and supported. All useful things to know.
they have updated the web site now
software price
Did it cut the pocket in reverse?
Nice exploration. Thanks. ..
would like to buy a tormach in germany
Me too in Austria. Guess i have to make a big step into a professional VMC.
@@Rabrand1 I'm sure you can get one. A lot of companies will ship internationally if you call them, even if their website says they don't. Maybe look into a Haas mini mill. It's more expensive than a Tormach, but less than a "professional VMC," and better than a Tormach in every way.
@@xenonram live in Salzburg so Emco is right arround the cornor. When the right time comes I will buy one from them and till then i have access to an Emco e360 at my old school. 😁👍
Get a Syil instead. They will actually support your market and make machines that work with normal power. Both machines are made in China anyway.
You should contact Tormach. I heard the 1100M and 1100MX had CE certified versions.
inherited is a great trick. thanks for showing that!
For what reasons do you prefer fusion 360 over solidworks? I am looking to purchase one or the other and would like your opinion. I do Fab work and recently released a video I think you may enjoy. Check it out on my page, thanks!
Try them out. You can use Fusion up until the point you're making $100k. Try it out. The reason there are about a dozen of them, is because people have different preferences and different necessities. So check them out.
SolidWorks has more powerful CAD, but Fusion 360 works well for us because of it's lower price and solid integrated CAM.
Andrew Delashaw awesome, I will do some trials. I have solidworks through school. Likely fusion as well. Thanks!!
NYC CNC right on, that makes sense. I haven’t messed with the cad portion yet on solidworks. Thanks!
Can confirm what NYC CNC replied, Solidworks is meant for some serious modeling/assemblies, but running a CAM in it just sucks in my opinion. Fusion360 is an awesome CAM package with the 100k profit limit and even then the price isn't bad. Also you can do designs with it, it doesn't have all the bells & whistles but it so much depends on your needs.
will it mill a turbo wheel?
Hi folks!!
🔧😊👍
Would it not be better to simulate the toolpath in fusion first instead of going straight to the machine with the part turned off and colorization set to comparison since wrapping is an off-center toolpath to see if you are cutting into the part.
thanks for all your help. but i have a question
how can you active cutter comp on the 4th axis
thanks in advance
According to tormach the throughbore dia on the micromark is 19mm or 0.748". Not really enough to do gunsmith work on barrels.
Tail stock, or some other support system on the other end, will solve that issue. Plus, most gunsmith barrel mill work, that you need rotational 4th axis, needs the whole barrel to be accessible. So putting it through the bore won't help with very much. Things like dovetail grooving for a front sight on a historical rifle, and maybe pinning a muzzle device, are two exceptions. But you don't need a 4th for that. I can't think of anything you'd need to do to a barrel on a 4th axis, where you wouldn't want the whole barrel exposed.
Daw, what a cute little rotary, goes great with your cute little machines.
Ok
First
I love you and your channel, but for the love of christ, tormach?, man they are absolute trash..
Got any mills you guys want to get rid of?