What HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark bring to the Royal Navy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2024
- While the Government says no decision has yet been taken about whether HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark are to be mothballed, Forces News takes a look at what this could mean - and why if this does happen there would probably be a considerable reduction in capability.
HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark are the Royal Navy's Landing Platform Docks, designed to deliver the punch of the mighty Royal Marines to land by sea or by air.
Mothballing the Albion-class vessels would certainly raise some eyebrows in terms of what this would mean for the Royal Marines - and would likely place the Littoral Response Group (LRG) deployments that the Navy has been championing for the past three years in jeopardy.
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We must keep these ships at all costs. Bring back Ben wallace.
We should build new ones to replace them. Old ships get exponentially more expensive to run as they age.
Wallace clearly knows the Tories will be ousted at the 2024 GE .. that's why he scarpered.
@@TheBlackIdentety I've designed a ship on my PC and have yet to hear back from the NAVY as to what they think. It's a bigger, sturdier design and much more stealthy similar to stealth destroyer but wider ofcourse.
We cannot afford for the Navy to loose more hulls - especially bespoke platforms like the Albion class, we lost Ocean and now weak, pathetic, short-sighted and self-serving politicians want to propose cutting further capabilities that take decades to re-grow - all to save pennies.
*lose
It is certainly a good thing that Britain has the capability to make her own amphibious warfare ships, and they are a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to support than a full carrier while still delivering a lot of the same power projection punch. Honestly as it stands, they probably should recrew HMS Bulwark.
They wont replace them, sad times!
How much RN metal could have been bought with the money wasted on the Rwanda debacle and covid PPE scams?
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It would be very interesting to see an investigation on why the UK gets such poor value for our defence budget. Compare the UK with South Korea, a country with a smaller budget yet has multiple times more equipment and manpower in almost every domain. The same goes for Japan with its 45 surface ship navy compared to the UKs 17! Even equal wealth France has more equipment and personnel for a smaller budget AND importantly they have more strategic autonomy than the UK. I think there needs to be an investigation in to the scandalous waste and inefficiently in the UK armed forces.
Because our procurement is a joke
It is simple. Neither Japan nor South Korea have a nuclear deterrence, which accounts for a significant part of the UK defence budget. And it makes sense. The UK will never win a conventional war against much bigger countries like Russia or China, so it has to rely on nuclear weapons.
France has @@BucyKalman
Lots of reasons. The UK has a larger nuclear deterrent (expensive). We are also part of NATO and are unlikely to be directly attacked - unlike Japan or South Korea.
On top of all this we have a diabolical procurement system. And like the NHS and other Government institutions, useless management.
Purchasing power parity. Basically the UK gets less dollar per dollar than South Korea. People In the UK expect better wages which also puts equipment manufacturing prices
The size of our fleet is embarrassing now. Indeed, it was too small to warrant a Coronation Fleet Review for the first time ever. We need more ships, not less.
Always talk about scrapping the Royal Marines and the ships that are designed as commando carriers. Shortly before the Falklands War the UK was going to sell either Fearless or Intrepid to the Argentines. Thankfully we still had them as they were invaluable down there.
The way modern warfare is evolving, and the hotspots around the globe, air craft carriers and Commando carriers are needed more than ever.
It would be a stupid move to take these Assault Ships out of service! But then again Minister Grant Shapps is stupid!
won't be in office to scrap them lol probably an election in 6 months
They should have someone in defence who as at least served on the front line..
More so in the equipment which is needed...
@@paulvickers3800 I completely agree mate!
It's hard to believe Shapps is still in government, he's been passed around so many different ministerial positions (performing extremely poorly in all of them).
@@MouldyCheesePie absolutely! He’s got no idea about defence!
Either of the carriers in Littoral waters would be a disaster. The amphibious ships are designed for that task and taking them out of service would be foolish. Unfortunately that’s what we face with the current crop of politicians (all parties). I can’t see it happening. Grant Shapps, will be in another post or on the back benches at a future reshuffle,or in opposition!
The government needs to address the recruitment problem first and foremost.
The two ships are just as important as the two aircraft carriers - the carriers cannot act as amphibious craft whilst maintaining air defense/offense - if Grant Shapps thinks they can, then he's a feckless fool.
Not to mention their people smuggling capacity in the med
Not only should Albion and Bulwark be kept, they should receive a couple of sisters, along with two LPHD's! Unfortunately, our armed forces are short of pretty much everything!!
Damn that goal keeper is a beast of a tool ciws, absolute beast
UK should build some LHD class ships like the US has enabling the Marines to have not only the fill deck for boats but the top deck for F35’s or more Apaches or Chinooks for air cover and transport. We shouldn’t just scuttle the ships and never replace them.
In my day, as a USMC grunt, there was a LSD & LST. Landing Ship Dock & Landing Ship Tank. LSD’s were square nosed and dropped the bow in shallow water as close to the shore as possible. LST’s doors opened to the sides and flooded the mezzanine deck. Vehicles had “fording equipment” that allowed them to drive to the shore submerged.
royal navy is not even a pale shadow of its itself in the times of empire. The entire world used to shiver at the mention of the royal navy
The waves rule Britain now it seems.
Do not forget to look at The Royal Netherlands Navy vessels but hang on to what you have.
Surely if the UK government wants a more concentrated specialised military, the utility this kind of asset brings is perfect?
Whats the got to do with the british forces or ukraine?
@@roughwalkers well these are marine landing craft for use by British forces. They essentially allow for the transport of troops and equipment with a quicker response time than other strike group assets and will be the first responders if Britain needs to get directly involved in the conflict.
@@MrEsphoenix dude you told me that the RAF dropping aid into gaza is a conspiracy and that the RAF isnt part of the british armed forces
You then try and abuse me after i correct you wet sausage
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The eventual replacements for these ships could be easily acquired, at a predictable cost, by adopting an existing design. The US San Antonio Flight II, Spanish Galicia or Juan Carlos I classes, French Mistral or even South Korean Dokdo class. Built abroad so no dockyard capacity issues, with final fit here in the U K alongside.
And all out taxpayer money going to benefit foreign businesses, countries and people?
No thanks. We have more than sufficient shipbuilding capability here.
Juan Carlos is certainly a workable option. Royal Australian Navy has already done it.
@@1chish No we haven't . Type 26 and Type 31 will tie up dockyards for the next 15 years. And it will be cheaper for the taxpayer to fund adaption of an existing design than to design and build from scratch (which would likely be late and over budget).
@@FinsburyPhilThose are frigates, we can adapt support ship or carrier docks to build amphibious assault ships, not all docks are the same
@@tomsoki5738 Check them out Tom, they're all assault ships
At this point why even have a military. All that money could go to something better like into the MPs pockets.
Truth be told in the age of drones and hyper sonic missiles these ancient ships are just giant floating coffins
The marines either need modern state of the art ships with the right defensive equipment or the MOD needs to adapt and evolve
Transfer them via FMS to the Philippines. Next theatre would be in the Pacific.
The PN is better off getting more of the new Tarlac class LPDs than try to refit an aging platform like the Albion up to current specs.
Australia might take them?
@@kutter_ttl6786 it will be force multipliers turn key needed for urgent contingencies.
Royal navy ❤
Hopefully Schapps will take the time to watch and understand this video!
If the tax dodging MP's, large corporations like Google and their oligarch friends, paid their taxes, we would have one of best funded militaries in the world,.. Anyone got Guy Fawkes phone number???
Hell even with the tax we do collect, loads of that goes missing in contracts to mates. Collecting more from companies would mean even more gets siphoned by the conservatives.
@@MouldyCheesePie Interesting thought, but, if these corporations etc. were being correctly taxed and the right pressure was placed on the government in charge, then there would be change.. The UK has the lowest tax in Europe and we have just gone into recession again, that speaks for itself.. Remove money from the fat cats and give it back to the people.. A society is measured by the way it treats its most vulnerable people..
Amphibious landings other than humanitarian aid are a suicide mission, these old ships are vulnerable to a huge range of attacking systems, they lack sufficient defence systems and will be suffering from corrosion at this age. It's sad to see them go but inevitable as warfare has changed since the falklands where we lost many ships trying to land troops.
I served on both the Albion and the Bulwark aircraft carriers. (1960's) The UK paid heavily when they were not replaced.. Please don't make the same mistake again.
Be crazy to get shut of any think that floats at this moment in time if you had to you could stick MLRS system on the deck at least keep in reserve for a few years till we get more ships it would only take something like a threat on the Falklands and we would be overstretched but that's just my opinion.
If only the RN built four or five of these packed with navalised Apaches plus escort Frigates and perhaps extra Type 45s instead of building the while elephant cat and trapless carriers that can only operate one aircraft that's STILL not combat ready 12 years after it was supposed to be in service. The Royal Navy and the RAF have been gutted to fund F-35B - a hopelessly complex and practically impossible to field (in actual combat) aircraft which already has obsolete systems because the aircraft is so late (remember Nimrod MRA4 anyone?) Block 4 will be the last upgrade before F-35B requires a complete ground up IT re-engineering - Block 4 will squeeze every drop of juice out of those obsolete systems that should be in an IT museum. Meanwhile modularly designed Gen 4 aircraft can be rapidly modernised and upgraded. Even the USAF can see this, cancelling a massive F-35A order for F-15EX instead. The Block 3 F-35Bs we operate can't even interface with Meteor - not that it fits yet - the short fin Meteor project is late too. Disaster piled on disaster just so we can say we operate ""stealth" aircraft. What a joke. Meanwhile the excellent Typhoon is being run on a shoestring, planes butchered for parts and upgrades shunned.
Better to Sack the government and keep the ships
They need to be replaced when they go out of service, we should not forget how valuable amphibious landing ships were in the Falklands War, The Royal Navy will need them again in the future, if the call comes again to defend Britain interest overseas.
100% need to keep or build new ones to replace .
YEAH BEN WALLACE I AGREE😊❤😊💪
Bulwark? Med taxi? Can't lose that.
Get two mistral amphibious ships from France to replace these …or let’s build two across the Uk like the carriers and assemble them in Scotland.
I tried to join the Navy for years, there were never any openings.
Did we not used to rule the waves we even wrote a song about it 😭
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Fearless and Intrepid? Are lessons never learnt?
What is your point? Designers came on board Fearless and Intrepid to get improvements from the original design to implement in to Albion and bulwark, to include Self defence capabilities, size of accomodation and size of passageways on "assault routes", to name but a few 👍
@@user-xk2fr3se3t HMS Fearless and Intrepid were earmarked for decommissioning in the 1981 Defence white paper.
They were then quickly returned to service for the Falklands war.
Thats my point. Albion and Bulwark have been used for several humanitarian aid missions and military conflicts.
@@3204clivesinclair Ahhh, I see what you mean now LOL
Grant shapps , serious I wouldn't trust him with an action man toy ! as he asks for a complete RM review , probably crystal ball gazing just like when the then defence Secretary Philip Hammond came up with the pie in sky idea to form a new look Army of 6000 + by making redundant key front line units and replacing them with reservists , aka week-end wonders, he even tried to offer cash inducements to the men and women he made redundant to sign up as part timers , he was warned big time , and of course he couldn't raise anywhere near that number , which on appearances was an excuse to sack regulars , note his other reason for the culling , apparently his crystal ball told him that all future Wars would be insurgency ones , which raised a big smile from Putin !
Is the navy to protect the nation ?
put the armed forces spending in line with MPs pay and freebies and see if it gets the cuts its get in the past few decades
All this capability about to be scrapped down Honest Jonjo's Scrap Centre for fifty quid.
When it's time to replace them they should be replaced by LHDs
rural marines?
At this rate all we will have is a paddle boat with a bloke on shouting please don’t attack us
Think back to the falklands the marines was going to be split between the paras and the rest of the army are they thinking of doing it again,
Amphibious landing ships the most useful ships we have .
It would be a better idea to moth ball the two carriers that cost a fortune and difficult to crew and have very little use .
This government has lost the plot
The fools will scrap these ships, just when a the Falkland Islands face a new threat from the old enemy and ships with this capability will be essential.
In the last 12 months the MoD has already axed 2 Type 23 Frigates and both the Echo class ships, and now they want to ditch the LPD’s what a balls up by every Government since 1989? And they say we have a blue water Navy? If they do axe Albion class! Egypt will have better Assault ships than us? What does that say about the MoD? They threw away 3.4 billion pounds on nimrod 2nd gen? Just think what the RN could do with 3.4 billion pounds!
Oh yah and scrapped more than half of the HSR rail project 😂
Seems like conservatives in your country don't like building things, just tearing things down.
More Med taxis!
HMS Bulwark is in 8 Dock at Devonport Dockyard & nearly at the end of a multimillion pound refit & now it’s going to be sold. Disgusting!
They bring the illlusion of power.
We might as well get rid of all the armed services and save the money , we are being invaded daily on our southern coast and this is supposed to be their job to prevent this.
It is not their job to stop this, that is the job of border force
Great ships. We need to be spending more on our navy and other armed forces instead of sending our tax money as foreign aid
Ok scrap these brilliant ships.
Make 3 smaller ships with the same amount of marines 300 royal marines.
Each ship has 300 marines.
1. Ship has 300 and 6 attack helicopter.
2. 300 royal marines boxers APC and 6 challenger's main battle tank.
3. 300 royal marines and two chenock helicopter and landing crafts.
Need to be replaced asap.
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Our navy is already pathetical small and these stupid politicians are considering more cuts. This is disgraceful!
Get rid of anymore ships and we might as well, just have a coast guard
The most stupid thing to do is cut these ships , for gods sake bring back Ben Wallace
I just want hms albion and hms buldwalk to not to be scrapped I love the royal marines
Short-sighted again. FML
Hasn't the Ukraine conflict shown that anti ship missiles are now so good that operating large ships close to shore is extremely risky?
Wouldn't more Bay class vessels make sense rather than replacing Albion and Bulwark on a like for like basis?
They are not so good. Just that Russian anti missile systems never seem to be switched on.
Yep, the multi role support ships should look more bay class like, less capable but cheaper. The worry is that though cheaper we don't get more.
@@davidhouseman4328 what would be the point if cheaper sinks just as well as big and expensive?
These ships would never be deployed without escort - and escort that has their defensive suite working. Ukraine used rather old weaponry (by modern standards) against the Moskva, which may as well have been a barge considering how nothing was working on her.
@@sampanyofella5832 then it doesn’t matter if the ships are expensive or cheap, as per the OP question.
We cannot afford to loose them , why can’t the navy get nepel in the navy and put the reserve on the ships , get rid of these will destroy the Royal Marines commando capabilities
Yah Torys ...are they not great
Labour states scrap armed forces and we will have better NHS &benefits…..gets my vote
We have wars in Ukraine and the west bank, Iran, north Korea, russia all posturing and our government thinks its a good idea to weaken our military and capabilities
Lions lead by Donkeys (Politicians, not Navy leafership)
Bring back Ben Wallace, because Shapps is a short sighted yes man, and he doesn’t have a clue about military matters.
Good luck with housing Sea King helicopters.
UK has to invest more in Airforce (incl. drones) and less in such expensive ships. And very quickly.
See the war in Ukraine: ships are so slow and easy to detect plattforms that they are almost without chance against modern missiles and drones.
If Ukraine would have a more modern Airforce and more/better cruise missiles, they would have already destroyed the whole BlackSea fleet of the Russians.
Problem with the airforce is there's very little benefit compared to csg. Take Libya for example. The helicopters from HMS ocean were much more effective than the RAF flights from the UK.
@@mrm6783Depends what you mean by effective. Tornado with stormshadow destroyed targets the Apache couldn't and with A2A refuelling was able to cover the whole of Libya instead of just the shoreline.
But the Apaches had a significantly higher shortie rate and time on target.
I don't want grant sharps in parliament enymore I want ben Wallace back in parliament
It is good to know these ships are helping the growth of Islam in Europe. More to come.
What is wrong with you?
You what ?
Are you really that stupid ???????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@DanielsPolitics1the truth hurts
Lol - what does that mean?
Europe needs more much type of vessels like that but investment need to be put in defence, Europe should have a monster fund to help mantain and build new projects, people in Europe i think even will be ok to pay a small fee every year to have the best defence that create jobs. If Europe increase at least 10x prodution 1 million jobs will be created and exports will increase, look at Rússia they increase 50x times their prodution and why Europe cannot double their own?! Its criminal, Americans say they have payed 100 billions to Ukraine but defence papers say that only 22 billions enter Ukraine from 48 billion in 2 years and 80% spend in American companies that already receive 90 billions in contracts because of publicity off their military hardaware is like Israel that is huge on weapons but the stupids politicians in Europe see thinks in a diferent way its criminal even the rocket artillery will be from Israel now and tactical ballistic missile non since the V-2 in Europe its absurd l, criminal they are counting in Americans republicans Trumponians niilists please you need to open your eyes, end NATO and create a European solution in defence all the problems will dissapear and even Rússia in the future i think they will join if that happens because its a win win situation
our military is so pathetic now , especially since we used to have the biggest empire in world history