They used a horse because a Greek commander would surrender his horse when beaten in battle... so it wasn't that odd a gift. But Mat still cracked me up. :D
In the show they often talk about Greek & Roman Gods. Plus it is apart of history in a sense, because the Greek myths were actually believed by the Greeks and were a large part of their culture. Like in my Ancient Civs class we went over Greek myths, the trojan horse, Helen of Troy, etc because it is apart of history. Also it's a show for kids, it's meant to be funny and entertaining, of course they could do an awesome sketch for the trojan horse.
actually hate to say this guys but there are no trojan horse nor paris or any of that we knew about since we were little kid. it was a battle between the trojans and their hittite alies against the shore invaders the greeks led by agammenon since it was the era of the bronze age they needed the tin and the bronze just like the oils that is we are fighting for today so there you have it tssssss. sorry guys :)
@@SEBithehiper945 A heavily corrupted version, filtered through millennia of oral tradition. The sketch frames the events of the Homeric epics as fact. There was, as you say, a war, but it probably didn't last ten years and involved basically the entirety of the Mycenaean Greece against one city, and it's equally numerous, not to mention very remote, allies. If there was a war on anywhere approaching that scale, it is unlikely that a bride being abducted would trigger it, women - quite simply - were not so highly valued at that time. The real Menelaus, if there was such a man, having already been made King of Sparta by virtue of his first marriage, would probably just marry again, in so doing gaining an ally, and possibly another kingdom. The Horse is manifestly absurd, and, in any case, widely disputed by scholarship, some say it was a siege engine, other a gift of a ship with a horsehead prow, and the archaeological evidence seems to suggest an earthquake brought down the walls. They all, however, seem fairly certain that it wasn't an actual wooden horse. To reiterate what I said four years ago, having a sketch based on myth in a kid's history show is questionable. There may be, as you say, some truth behind the legend, but the sketch does not expound upon theories about the truth behind the legend, instead it present the legend as the truth. This show, Horrible Histories, is usually quite good about this, one of their earliest musical sketches was all about myths (including Robin Hood and King Arthur) that are often portrayed as facts, but in this instance they fall into that very error. In a show meant for children, an audience not typically renowned for advanced critical thinking skills, and rather inclined to take what they are told as the absolute truth, including a 'historical' sketch based on my is, as I have said, questionable. If they had framed Troy as a myth, perhaps going into the truth behind, like they did elsewhere with Viking mythology, it would be fine, but they do not do this, they frame it as historical fact.
The Trojans weren't stupid. In the myth, the Greeks said they had left the horse as a sacrifice to the goddess Athene, (who was on the Greeks' side.) When the Trojans were suspicious and wanted to burn it,Athene sent sea serpents to eat anyone who tried to harm it. Naturally, the Trojans saw that as a sign that the gods didn't want them to open it, and left it. In the myths, the gods has already decided the Trojans would lose, it was just a matter of when and how. Who knows what really happened.
@hunky4ever that and the fact that the city of troy was a prominent sea-port that had reasonably good control over the gulf of saros and thus trade between the greecian waters of the agean and the more asiatic waters of the black sea, thus whoever held control of troy had access to the shipping lanes of the black sea. (to be continued ... )
Oops sorry meant to say it's not a weird gift, it was asuumemed it was a present for the god posedon so they took it inside for them to have a bad journey home, withch they did A.A the oddyssey
@Tarantio1983 but then these shipping lanes also converged with land-based trade routes at this point thus bringing great wealth to the rulers of troy! the whole illiad was pr to justify a greek invasion of the trojan lands for the resources you named plus access to the wealthy and prosperous trade routes into the east (which shipped spices, silks and a whole range of exotic goods west), that and there probably was precious metals and stones to be mined there, even good farmland to be cultivated
were they really that stupid? "look. a massiv wooden horse. it must be a present. lets drag it inside. and go to bed." i would have at least checked inside the thing...
Why is this presented as history? There is no evidence to suggest this ever happened. I mean if it did, I guess Odysseus really did sale home afterwards only to have his crew eaten by monsters, turned into pigs, captured by a cyclops etc etc... not to mention the whole war starting because Paris, prince of troy, gave the Golden Apple to Aphrodite in a beauty contest... and his gift from her was any woman he wanted and he chose Hellen. Yeah, ok whatever.
were the trojans really that stupid? "look. a massiv wooden horse. it must be a present. lets drag it inside. and go to sleep." i mean really. and jujuheizer and coolorwot123, you are mistaken. obviously you have never met me.
@thdoom81 no brother i'm actually from kuwait that's in the arabian gulf i understand if it was weird to you that was my reaction either. you can check it out if u want to make sure of this. just type in the truth about the trojan horse and you would know it
They used a horse because a Greek commander would surrender his horse when beaten in battle... so it wasn't that odd a gift. But Mat still cracked me up. :D
'Oh, they've just gone home!" 'Oh, they left us a present. I know let's drag it into the city walls and all go to bed.' :) So funny.
"Us Greeks got inside and slaughtered all the Trojans! Ha ha ha!" I can't stop laughing at how Mat does that line.
The rat said "Wibbly Wobbly" xD that's awesome!
Timey wimey
In the show they often talk about Greek & Roman Gods. Plus it is apart of history in a sense, because the Greek myths were actually believed by the Greeks and were a large part of their culture. Like in my Ancient Civs class we went over Greek myths, the trojan horse, Helen of Troy, etc because it is apart of history. Also it's a show for kids, it's meant to be funny and entertaining, of course they could do an awesome sketch for the trojan horse.
actually troy was a real place its walls have been found in ruins and all that stuff
Of course it was real, I saw its real ruins in a book I own
"Oh they left us a present. Let's drag it in to the city walls and all go to bed!" XD
They should have gone with the first plan.
lol they called the solider that farts at the end flatulence waht a coincedence
actually hate to say this guys but there are no trojan horse nor paris or any of that we knew about since we were little kid.
it was a battle between the trojans and their hittite alies against the shore invaders the greeks led by agammenon since it was the era of the bronze age they needed the tin and the bronze just like the oils that is we are fighting for today so there you have it tssssss. sorry guys :)
this is never going to work. says the guy who's already in the horse
I love that little rat so much.
FLATULOUS!!
Interesting as this is, it is questionable that a history show should feature a sketch based on mythology
troy has been archeaologicalky discovered
@@SEBithehiper945 True, but the Trojan War, complete with Horse, as presented in the sketch, has not been verified.
@@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 there was some sort of war at troy (likely the trojan war myth is a corrupted version of its events)
@@SEBithehiper945 A heavily corrupted version, filtered through millennia of oral tradition. The sketch frames the events of the Homeric epics as fact.
There was, as you say, a war, but it probably didn't last ten years and involved basically the entirety of the Mycenaean Greece against one city, and it's equally numerous, not to mention very remote, allies.
If there was a war on anywhere approaching that scale, it is unlikely that a bride being abducted would trigger it, women - quite simply - were not so highly valued at that time. The real Menelaus, if there was such a man, having already been made King of Sparta by virtue of his first marriage, would probably just marry again, in so doing gaining an ally, and possibly another kingdom.
The Horse is manifestly absurd, and, in any case, widely disputed by scholarship, some say it was a siege engine, other a gift of a ship with a horsehead prow, and the archaeological evidence seems to suggest an earthquake brought down the walls. They all, however, seem fairly certain that it wasn't an actual wooden horse.
To reiterate what I said four years ago, having a sketch based on myth in a kid's history show is questionable. There may be, as you say, some truth behind the legend, but the sketch does not expound upon theories about the truth behind the legend, instead it present the legend as the truth. This show, Horrible Histories, is usually quite good about this, one of their earliest musical sketches was all about myths (including Robin Hood and King Arthur) that are often portrayed as facts, but in this instance they fall into that very error.
In a show meant for children, an audience not typically renowned for advanced critical thinking skills, and rather inclined to take what they are told as the absolute truth, including a 'historical' sketch based on my is, as I have said, questionable. If they had framed Troy as a myth, perhaps going into the truth behind, like they did elsewhere with Viking mythology, it would be fine, but they do not do this, they frame it as historical fact.
hai, another solution was that the trojan horse was simple a rammer
The Trojans weren't stupid. In the myth, the Greeks said they had left the horse as a sacrifice to the goddess Athene, (who was on the Greeks' side.) When the Trojans were suspicious and wanted to burn it,Athene sent sea serpents to eat anyone who tried to harm it. Naturally, the Trojans saw that as a sign that the gods didn't want them to open it, and left it. In the myths, the gods has already decided the Trojans would lose, it was just a matter of when and how. Who knows what really happened.
LOL BIGGEST HORRIBLE HISTORIES FAN !!!!!!!
We did a Troy production back in year 6. I helped build the horse!
it was custom in ancient greece that the beaten general delivers the victor his horse as a token of his surrender.
It was a really stupid idea when you actually say it out loud! But then... one can't argue with results!
We got inside the city walls and
Slaughtered all the trojans, hahahahaha
It pointed out, before their told us that it may or not be history.
@hunky4ever that and the fact that the city of troy was a prominent sea-port that had reasonably good control over the gulf of saros and thus trade between the greecian waters of the agean and the more asiatic waters of the black sea, thus whoever held control of troy had access to the shipping lanes of the black sea. (to be continued ... )
Oops sorry meant to say it's not a weird gift, it was asuumemed it was a present for the god posedon so they took it inside for them to have a bad journey home, withch they did A.A the oddyssey
oh look its a giant horse oh its not a trap les bring it in lol
they said it in history :P
Terry Deary oh yeah!!!
@Tarantio1983 that's correct and i must congratulate you for your historical knowledge trully !!
Bravo
@Tarantio1983 but then these shipping lanes also converged with land-based trade routes at this point thus bringing great wealth to the rulers of troy! the whole illiad was pr to justify a greek invasion of the trojan lands for the resources you named plus access to the wealthy and prosperous trade routes into the east (which shipped spices, silks and a whole range of exotic goods west), that and there probably was precious metals and stones to be mined there, even good farmland to be cultivated
it is its BASED ON HISTORY
got this from seesaw
Was Jim Howick playing King Agamemnon? and who's the chap playing Odysseus?
Terry Deary. Author of the books
"wibble wobble"
were they really that stupid?
"look. a massiv wooden horse. it must be a present. lets drag it inside. and go to bed."
i would have at least checked inside the thing...
You know it’s only a legend, right?
I don’t understand will it fight?
...It still isn't history.
Flatulus!
Why is this presented as history? There is no evidence to suggest this ever happened. I mean if it did, I guess Odysseus really did sale home afterwards only to have his crew eaten by monsters, turned into pigs, captured by a cyclops etc etc... not to mention the whole war starting because Paris, prince of troy, gave the Golden Apple to Aphrodite in a beauty contest... and his gift from her was any woman he wanted and he chose Hellen. Yeah, ok whatever.
@hunky4ever who are you man..are you from turkey ...the illiad was written
No dislikes out of 101 likes. That's amazing.
people like you thinked that Troy never existed
1:06 hahaha
were the trojans really that stupid?
"look. a massiv wooden horse. it must be a present. lets drag it inside. and go to sleep."
i mean really.
and jujuheizer and coolorwot123, you are mistaken. obviously you have never met me.
Well it was told in history i am correct :D
@Jujuheizer THAT WOULD BE ME
@thdoom81 no brother i'm actually from kuwait that's in the arabian gulf i understand if it was weird to you that was my reaction either. you can check it out if u want to make sure of this. just type in the truth about the trojan horse and you would know it
@e7l13 Yep :)
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Ok look stop I am correct back in history they stood around camp fires and talked about this :D :P -_-
You are not correct. If you took 2 minutes of your time to research it you would know.
They are not very coropitive :)
Sail*
It's nit a we
Not really, there is no eveidence to suggest the Trojan Horse ever existed. Even the Trojan War itself is still subject to heavy criticism.
Flatulus!