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THIS VIDEO IS FILLED WITH MISINFORMATION AND LEAVES OUT DRAGON BALL. VEGETA IS EXACTLY LIKE THAT GUY YOU BEAT IN A VIDEO GAME WHO SWEARS HE'S BETTER THAN YOU. HE'S EXTREMELY DELUSIONAL AND TRIED TO KILL OFF THE REST OF HIS RACE WHILE BEING ANGRY ABOUT FRIEZA BLOWING UP HIS PLANET. VEGETA IGNORES KID TRUNKS BUT CARES ABOUT AN UNBORN BABY. VEGETA GAVE NO FUCKS ABOUT ADULT TRUNKS AND TREATED HIM LIKE TRASH FOR THE LONGEST. AGAIN, TORIYAMA STATEMENT ABOUT GOKU IS NICE AND ALL THEN HE CONTRADICTS THAT BY HAVING GOKU RISK HIS LIFE TO SAVE PICCOLO AND TIEN FROM IMPERFECT CELL, HAS GOKU PASS ON THE MANTLE TO GOTEN AND TRUNKS AND HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR HIS SON TWICE, ONCE AGAINST RADITZ AND AGAINST CELL. AND STUFF THAT HAPPEN IN DRAGON BALL LIKE KILLING KING PICCOLO FOR KRILLION AND REACHING HIS SSJ FORM BECAUSE HIS BEST FRIEND WAS KILLED. EVERYTHING YOU SAY FROM 10:15 IS A COMPLETE LIE ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE STUFF YOU SAID BEFORE THAT IS ALSO BULLSHIT.
I would have to go with Vegeta as the better overall character. He fights to not only get better but also to protect his wife and family who he cares about deeply, even if he does not come right out and display or say it all the time. Over the course of the shows and series you see Vegeta evolve from a homicidal maniac to a loving family man who has friends he cares about, even in his once rival, Goku. Speaking of Goku, he on the other hand has the mentality of an 8 yr old and constantly puts the world and universe in jeopardy so he can fight people, never once thinking about any of the risks or even hesitating to straight up abandon his family because they got in his way of fighting people. He never learns from his mistakes, he does not care about his family or friends, and has zero growth as a character.
Rather be Krillen. Cause Android 18, and other reasons. Just think of everything you could do within that universe as Krillen. Sure your not the strongest but with the knowledge and access to wishes whenever you want.... You really don’t have to worry, that much. Even if you die, you will just be Revived back. Because plot protection.
It's always been Vegeta. Dragonball is a series about self improvement and who's grown more as both a fighter and a person than Vegeta? No one. Not even Piccolo. He's the man.
@@Alassandros The only thing Vegeta 'suffered' was the loss of his planet, and he appeared to take that in stride. And as a part of Freiza's force, Vegeta did exactly what Saiyans are infamous for: fight. Piccolo on the other hand was ostracized from all society and as such, was forced to raise himself in the wild. I remember seeing an episode where it stated that Piccolo even WANTED to join humanity, but witnessed humans slaughter each other so much that it completely blackened his heart. Vegeta was raised to be the 'Prince of Killers'. Piccolo wasn't. He was just some little green dude lost in the wilderness that saw countless atrocities and found a way to live through it.
@@hoodedone8547 You seem to be ignoring the subtext of captivity. Vegeta lived in fear under Frieza. He was abused by Frieza and his henchmen. He was put under pressure until he became warped. Vegeta said it himself both in his first death and when he became possessed by Babadi. He suffered. What did Piccolo undergo? He was free his whole life. He only hated Goku.
Obviously Vegeta Although most people say Goku initially, if you think about it, 1. Vegeta is more mature and caring than Goku (Super excluded) 2. He is cooler 3. He is a family man 4. He has a pride that pushes him beyond his limits and literally allowed him to disobey a mind controlling warlock 5. He's a one man army who has made it all the way till now on his own(Super excluded) 6. Hot wife 7. Although he is the king of all Saiyans he refers to himself as a Prince to show respect to his fallen Father. 8. Has the guts to throw away his pride when absolutely necessary Enough said
More mature is debated when someone is willing to sell their soul, family, and their own conviction for power because you don't like being second best.
@@Ramona122003 he has his instances of immaturity, just like Goku has his instances of maturity. They're shadowed because of the number of instances of the opposite case
@@4nnd711 By the same logic you could also say Vegeta wins only because of the plot. Because everything in the show happens because of the plot. So stop using that stupid point. It makes you look like an idiot.
I'm sick of hearing Goku isn't a hero even if Toriyama and his grandparents say he dosent fight for the sake of others. He clearly doesn't just let Frieza cripple people in front of him and cell was a perfect example of wanting to fight strong guys especially with that senzu bean but overall hes a kind hearted guy he doesn't want unnecessary pain and he knows when enough is enough that instant transmission suicide shows he was willing to clean up his mess in the next few minutes it was in vain but the thought was there
Goku definitely is a hero he gave frieza that speech about saving the universe. He doesn’t let people just come and try to destroy or take over earth. He just happens to enjoy it a lot. He fought with everything he had to stop Beerus from destroying earth even when he almost died doing so even with he couldn’t fight anymore he still was tryna fight to protect earth while enjoying it
Okay, while Goku has had some moments where he has saved the world, he's never seemed to show any specific want to save the world except for when fighting Buu. He'd always be fighting for his own sake, even though he knows some enemies had to be defeated, hence Gohan v Cell.
Pikachu attack I disaggre most of his fights are to protect others like when he fought the ginyu force frieza raditz nappa and even vegeta the first time
"he insists on fighting Purple Hitler alone until he can't. He helps Purple Hitler live. Which results in Purple Hitler heading to Earth." Calling Freiza 'Purple Hitler' Is the best thing ever.
Vegeta is a monarchist by the way. Vegeta's political ideology and philosophy of life is really pretty similar to Freeza's even now, he executed Ginyu without a second thought and was going to do the same to Freeza before he was cockblocked by whoever penned the script.
@@noybbyon3995 you are an idiot who tried to be smart but either checked wikipedia or youre just a super nerd. Anyway it doesnt matter, because it is just a stuiped joke Cant u understand a damn joke? Its not like he did a video comparing the two...
As someone who always had one goal and had it taken away from me, shattering my own mental health for years, along with realizing how much it affected me. I always grew up relating more to Vegeta. It's rough, and finding a new goal for myself has been heavy, but if there's one character that I can truly find inspiration in to keep going, it's Vegeta. Similar to that question from Skyrim's best dragon. "Is it better to be born good, or overcome your evil nature through great effort?" Vegeta was never perfect, he was horribly evil for a long time, and I'd never excuse that truth. But while Vegeta still is "second best" (though I guess with the end of Super, that's debatable now) he's still the most human, natural and relatable character in all of Dragonball to me. Which is why he'll always be my favorite character in any media.
Kruseid I’m more of a Goku because I haven’t had that kind of thing happen to me yet. Sure, deaths are terrible and it’s sad that people I know have died, but that shouldn’t stop me from pushing on forward in my life. I’m not looking to be the best at anything, just better than what I am right now.
@@cityguard4847 that didn't stop Vegeta from pushing forward either. Just look at his character development. Look at him before and now, something Goku never did. Someone with that background, now is a god.
Kruseid I can relate. having 1 goal, being distant from everyone, and having someone overshadow me... i couldnt really express it... I was stuck trying to make a comment until i read this, this literally spoke for me in a sense of im not the only one and not feeling alone.
Goku of course. Hell in this very video you pretty much explain how Vegeta became a better character by becoming more like Goku. He became someone who focuses on what matters to him and is at peace with his past mistakes.
Growing up I had a relationship with a friend where I was the Vegeta to his Goku. Learning to want to and actually forge my own path was a big step into adulthood for me back then. So I've always been a Vegeta guy.
What kind of question is that? I wanna be the prince of all mother trucking saiyans Vegeta. Objectively the best character in the show oh and I love vegetables
Well, Chi Chi is now rich too since Mr. Saitan gave Goku a whole bagfull of money at Dragon Ball Super. She is not as wealthy as Bulma but still now rich as well.
For me personally VEGETA is one of my idols, he will always be my favorite DB character. To point out, Goku showed compassion for Vegeta when him and his buddies first encountered him they could have finished him off but decided to spare him and give him a chance. Without that we wouldn't have been able to see Vegeta grow into the person he is today, so I will always respect goku.
There is a major detail you forgot in your video. You forgot that according to Vegeta himself in Z and Toriyama in the Daizenshuu, ALL full blooded saiyans have a natural urge and desire to keep getting stronger and fight strong foes. (It was never just a Goku thing). That's why Vegeta let's Cell reach his Perfect Form and why he didn't stop training after the Cell Games after Goku and Cell died and Gohan quit fighting. Vegeta was already the strongest person alive during the 7 year gap yet he kept on training.
vegeta was not the strongest for 7 year gap. He was the strongest for a part of it. But goku and specially gohan showed that everyone was far behind gohan during the cell tournemant. Goku was way ahead of vegeta and gohan was way ahead of both of them. Reason gohan sucked in SSj1 vs cell is simply because he was also scared and not a fighter like goku and vegeta
@@nunovaladascardoso5581 which was proven wrong because Vegeta was revealed to have kept training all 7 years after the Cell Games. Why train if you're not gonna fight?
Goku is social oblivious. He doesn't see his family as family, but companions. To Goku, ChiChi and Gohan are in the exact same category as Bulma and Krillin. He doesn't understand why ChiChi is so determined to make sure Gohan and Goten succeed because he has never had to live in the real world. He couldn't comprehend why Vegeta would stick by his promise to be at Bulma's side when her second baby was born. Goku achieving Ultra Instinct wasn't driven by a determination to save his universe, but to win a fight. You want proof that Vegeta cares? Look no further than that time Beerus slapped Bulma. EDIT: Changed phrasing of first line.
social invalid? eh I mean the only reason any of the characters are around, including vegeta is because of goku. plus the moments we see goku alive during peaceful times he's home. yeah he goes off training but he still goes back to his family.
Zach Lang yeah, exactly. Also, remember that moment when mui goku got beat by jiren and then he said that he couldn’t have come this far without his friends? And this is only the tip of the iceberg, as there are many more examples that show goku doesn’t always fight because he wants to see how strong his opponent is.
silverblade357 silverblade357 yeah but what about when zamasu said he killed goku and his family In the goku black arc. Goku did care. I’d also compare to vegeta’s rage when bulma got slapped by beerus. Also, in the tournament of power when goku was about to lose (while in ultra instinct) krillen yelled and goku had flashbacks of everyone. It’s doesn’t matter how he achieved UI. He was still fighting for everyone. But in the end it doesn’t matter we’re always biased to our own favorite characters.
Goku. I appreciate Vegeta and his character arc(s?) and role(s) in the series, but personally, I'd rather be like Goku I just want to have fun and excitement and to continue improving in everything and anything I do, I guess
Sarthak Swami goku has chichi and alot of money, not as much as vegeta but his step dad the ox king has some dough. plus hurcule gave him a small loan of a million dollars.
I'd rather be a Goku. It sounds less stressful, and you can't deny that Goku has a positive effect on those around him. There's a reason Chichi still loves him after all this time. There's a reason why an assassin like Hit started thinking more like a martial artist after fighting Goku. There's a reason Goku's enemies inevitably learn to respect him and most of them become his friends. Goku possess's a childlike innocence that never harshens. He is always entertained by everything he does because much like a child everything feels new and exciting to him, but fighting is still his passion. Goku may not be a family man, but he does his best considering his lack of intelligence and self control. And self control is integral to Goku's character because he doesn't fight to defeat his enemy, he fights to defeat himself, to gain mastery over himself. In Goku's eyes he never has perfect self control because he will never fully master himself, and this is reflected in his actual personality traits and actions. He leaves his family behind to train because sometimes he just can't help himself anymore, he has a limit to how long he can go ignoring his desire to get stronger.
That makes him unstable and it isn't an excuse. If you can't raise children then don't have them. He has a choice he just chooses wrong. He is a talented fighter but as a person and a father and a husband he is shit.
It's like when people say they are addicted to drugs and can't quit and "it's a sickness" and "I don't have a choice"...... Well, you chose to start using and knew the implications. Goku knows what he is doing and does it anyway. People blame far too much on his lack of intelligence but it's his selfishness that does most of it
@@hermes0623 I think you give goku too much credit. The whole point of his character is his childish innocence. He just doesn't think, is that a flaw? Well yes and no. I think you're looking at goku like he's a normal person, and he's not. He lacks the sensibility that the average person has, this helps him in some ways and is a disadvantage in others. He isn't unstable, he's just inconsistent. I don't think he even realizes the reason why he trains to such extremes, he just does it because it feels natural to him. He does try to be a father, and we see him trying very genuinely but he sucks at it. He cares about the people around him and clearly gets protective of them at times, but at times he also loses his temper to catastrophic results. think he's a good person but a terrible father. A perfect martial artist but a flawed role model.
Tom that's the thing. Even being childish he still chooses what he does. You make it sound as if he is a slave to his personality and he acts without thinking. It's just another excuse for his horrible actions. He's said many times he wants to fight the strongest. That's a goal and a choice. He acts childish but he doesn't have the brain of a 3 year old without reason. He didn't give cell the senzu on impulse he made a choice to do it, as stupid as it was. He didn't go see xenu on impulse. He was told and beerus explained why it was a horrible idea. Goku heard him and said fuck it anyway. Things only work out for him because he has main protagonist armor. He is entirely in control of himself and chooses what he does. That whole "the point of goku is he's innocent and childish" excuse doesn't fly. He has kids and is old as hell. He makes choices like every other adult. He isn't disabled or mentally ill.
Tom "oh goku is so unique that I've never met anyone like him" haha yeah dude because anyone who behaved like him would be arrested or killed because eof his stupidity. Try as you like his character isn't some innocent good person character. He's just a strong moron. You are projecting things on goku that you want to believe. So when he does things that are choices you pretend "he can't help himself" in order to justify them. It's kind of what people who like someone or something too much do. I'm just going off of what I see and read. Goku doesn't have to be a good father or even a good person. I'd watch dragon ball anyway. The point is people defend his behavior with irrational ideas of what they "believe" he is thinking or how they "interpret" the character. Believe what you want though. Youd think you'd want some sort of character development though.
@@crazydude449 All 3 thing you mentioned are factually wrong.1st thing - He knew Gohan had it in him to beat Cell(don't be mad cause your daddy doesn't believe in you like that).2nd thing - T.O.P. would've still happened and that's literally stated in the show.3rd thing - Goku stayed dead because he felt like he was the one attracting all the biggest threats in the universe to Earth.But nice try tho you're clearly lacking chromosomes so I truly pity you
Ananije Dzankic man Goku literally couldn’t care to talk to his family through king Kai even if he could for 7 YEARS when he was in the other world and didn’t even visit the earth until he knew there was going to be a tournament is funny that a “smart “ person like you is ignoring this OFC lol
Goku is selfish and maybe he gets mad at himself when others get hurt from his selfishness. And Goku cares about people but he cares more about his passion.
Goku let a man who indirectly killed, Piccolo, Kami, Tien, Chiaotzu and Yamcha, like, so that he could fight him again. Goku let Frieza a man who has killed I don't know how many people, live for the sake of a fight. Goku has put his desires above others countless times, so no matter how many selfless acts he does, he can not be called truly selfless.
GuY oN iNtErNeT didn’t vegeta literally let cell get his perfect form and let babidi possesses him to gain more power despite knowing the threat he posed?
THANK YOU Jordan Rhodes! I hate how people incorrectly state Goku defeated Vegeta in the saiyan saga. Goku won in an epic beam struggle, blasting Vegeta... only to upper clouds where he sat and angsted about his wounded ego and decided a Trump Card was the best going forward strategy. In reality, if Vegeta had just returned to continue the fight and not wasted his energy on a fake moon, Gohan and Krillin never would have noticed the orb in the sky and turn back to assist. Yajirobe wouldn't have the guts to get close enough to a non-ape form Vegeta. And we all know Goku had just tapped himself out using Kaioken for the beam struggle! Not only did Vegeta tie in a 1v3, he kinda defeated himself more than they beat him. Yet the whole fandom talk about it as if it was a 1v1 throwdown and Goku dominated him? Whatever lmao if you all turned off the tv after the beam struggle ended then get out.
Neither. I'd rather be Gohan. Sure, he sucks ass at fighting(beacuse he doesn't want to), but he has a great wife and daughter, and seems the most "normal" out of the main cast. Plus, even when he sucks, he is still my favourite character.
His best friend died right in front of him and that made him furious. All the training and battles he fought on Namek made him reach the level where the strength + the rage made him become a SSJ.
Someone kills your friend, almost makes your race go extinct, kills billions of people blows up a planet and yet you leave him alive. There is no reason for you to show mercy cuz a God wants you to kill him. And you still don't.
When I was a little kid, I was all over the place for Goku, he is simple, strong and loveable. When I was a teenager for some reason I started to like Gohan more, maybe because he was around the same age as me, or because he loved studying more than fighting, but he still showed some badass stuff, who knows. As I got older and older, eventually turning into an adult, I started to see Vegeta in a better light. I started to understand his reasons and be one with them. I liked the fact that he gets the job done, when someone needs to be obliterated call Vegeta, because Goku would let anyone go, as we seen it before. DBS has put a lot of change on the characters, I think Vegeta starting from DBZ slowly turned better and better. He went through a journey, which wasn't easy or pleasant, but by the end DBS he grew up, just as I did while I was watching him. So in short, Vegeta is my favourite, both him and I needed to grow up in order for me to like him.
crazy because i experienced the opposite lol. when I was a child I thought being prideful and edgy was cool/badass but (vegeta and sasuke are the prime example). But when we got older most of us would realize that the gift of being happy all the time no matter what happened and to be loved is the best gift god could offer. goku has literally both of them. He has many friends that loves him more than he loves himself and has a smile on his face 90% of the time.
Vegeta’s flaw is not being willing to show the same mercy he was given but I agree Goku can be too forgiving. It could easily wind up biting you in real life.
Everytime that goku gets mad and becomes more powerful it’s because he wants to protect his loved ones. Take the fight with beerus for example when he falls down to earth he thinks about his wife,kids,family,friends and realizes that if he loses everyone dies. Protecting his loved ones pushes him to new heights and to beat his enemies. Goku showed vegeta all this period
JeanFranco Cholidis I understand, BUT Akira Toryama said that goku just wanted to fight strong opponents and was changed to be more , Heroic and likable. Goku is more or less a selfish fighter who endangers everyone because he wants to be stronger. Vegeta is much more complex and has lots of emotional moments and is very deep. Goku is also a complex character, but Vegeta has such an empathetic quality and is very human. Majinn Vegeta is probably the most viewable part.
I don't think Goku directly shown Vegeta this, it was Trunks' death which sparked the change in vegeta.. However without goku none of that would have been possible yeah so I do see what you mean
Baby Genjo from what we've seeb goku is heroic though and I remember vegeta litterally preventing others from stopping cell from going to his perfect form because he wanted to see how stronge he will be
Rather be Krillen. Cause Android 18, and other reasons. Just think of everything you could do within that universe as Krillen. Sure your not the strongest but with the knowledge and access to wishes whenever you want.... You really don’t have to worry, that much. Even if you die, you will just be Revived back. Because plot protection.
In life, you have to two kinds of people. People who lead, and people who follow. Goku and Vegeta represents both of these mediums. Goku personifies security, maturity, & selflessness. He trains to better himself, thus allowing other people to measure up to him, and not the other way around. We all should strive to be like Goku, but realistically, a lot of us are more like Vegeta, hence why fans adore him. Always fighting, working hard, and determined to achieve a certain goal. That 'struggle' per say is what the character is built upon. He's not as 'boring' as Goku. The dynamic is quite common in pop culture. Most notably Superman/Batman, and Naruto/Sasuke.
I don't know I never liked vegeta that way, it doesn't matter to be how developed he's gotten the fact of the matter is he acts like he deserves to be better then everyone else
Idk I want to be Krillin, that dude is infinitely underpowered compared to Vegeta and Goku, but he never stops he's always there for his friends... He became equal or stronger than 18, being a pure human only because he wants to protect her... I mean Krillin maybe a joke but give him enough time and he will catch up... Without using alien haxs
I'd be getting Bulma to replicate the android transformation process so all the non-Saiyan characters can get a power boost to relevance again. Also becoming practically immortal would be handy.
I agree, people give Krillin a lot of crap but always overlook the fact that he is the strongest human on the planet. That is an amazing feat! And he get the hottest girl in the show. And he inspires me. I mean, if he can land a girl like that and not even have a nose, there is hope for all of us right?
He kisses chichi!! After he recovers from the heart virus in kame house he kisses her. Idk if if was in the manga. But it just gave the impression he was just a very private person. He almost died, which is why there was that public pda with her. But it's such an infuriating moment to see that retcon. More than the potara retcon.
@Now give me your money so you want to be miserable 80% of the time? vegeta is a better character but there's no way people dont want to be like goku lol
10:18 You misses the part where Goku dies to make sure Raditz gets hit by the Special Beam Cannon and when he stays dead in Buu saga to try to ensure nobody else threatens Earth to get at him like Gero, ensuring that he doesn’t have the chance to fight with them in the process. I still see your point, just saying ya missed a spot. Also, isn’t it pretty cool that the saiyan prince is the more human character, deriving meaning from friends and family while the saiyan raised on earth embodies more than anything what it means to be a saiyan, striving mindlessly and endlessly for nothing but to become stronger? In a way, Vegeta was RIGHT about traits being determined at birth, because both his prioritizing family and Goku’s prioritizing fighting happen *despite* their nurture. Just a thought.
Goku overcame the limitations of his creator. Many of Goku's previous enemies became his friends, and he just got the sense beat out of him. Goku had put aside his training and was leading a happy home life until his brother showed up.
Hmmm before watching this video... I’d like to be goku... he seems like the type of person who’s so damn positive he never gets depressed... he stays with positive energy n everyone around him stays around him because of that. Now I’m gonna watch the video... After vid: goku... idc about his ability as much as his vibes, but my real life personality is closer related to vegeta’s
There is one problem with your criticism of Vegeta. He wouldn’t stop training and getting stronger, ever. Not even if he were the “strongest in the universe “. Goku was a #goal, but not his only goal. He continued to train after Cell and Goku died, even though he said “I’ll never fight again.” What kind of warrior continues to train when they don’t plan to fight again? The kind that value training, getting stronger, and pushing their limits. I.e. A real warrior. He said he wouldn’t fight again, because to him, there would be no one else worth fighting after Goku/Kakkarot. Both Goku and Vegeta are true warriors. They just happen to be able to sharpen and test themselves with one another. I choose Vegeta.
rougewarrior26 it’s a problem with what he said, that “I’ll never fight with goku again” is not true, because this is dragon ball, people don’t die forever in this universe, so it’s makes sense to vegeta still training, because he knew goku would come back in some point
Watch this th-cam.com/video/zU507eDdWXk/w-d-xo.html I figure the english version would be fine as it conveys the same message. He didn't "know" Goku would come back at all. As a matter of fact, they specifically said this after the fight. Goku didn't want to be resurrected, as his presence seemed to draw more enemies to Earth. The point is, Vegeta continued to train because he is a warrior. Getting to fight and test himself against Goku during the Buu resurrection was a bonus for him. He trains because he is a warrior, and warriors stay ready. Vegeta even made it a point to tell this to Gohan during the "Gohan goes to high school" story line.
GOKU1 Constantly working in his passion. Truly loves his son and family, keeps his word (married Chichi over Bulma), pure hearted, saves the multiverse on accident (universes were just going to be erased without contest, literally), cherishes those around him even if they hate him (Vegeta).
ZinoAmare Right. So those times he died in Z, lost in the first two series and or in Super (which is every time barring sort of Jiren and Freeza) don’t count apparently. Because hey a character you like doesn’t get the spot light and that bothers you. Don’t pretend like that’s not why you’re claiming plot armour either. I have no doubt when Gohan beat Cell or Vegeta Toppo you were fine with it.
Yo, I am tired of people saying that goku put the multiverse in danger. He didn't, Zeno already planned on destroying all of the universes. Goku actually gave them a fighting chance.
@@bideru1903 he spent that time resting WITH HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HE KNEW HE MIGHT DIE AGAINST CELL so before you guys say oh Goku out his family in danger RESEARCH
_It has to be _*_Vegeta_*_ , He has experienced the most character growth at of all the others throughout the DB series and watching this only increase that fact._
I know I'm several years behind but, your sponsor for this video, better help, has literally saved my life. Along with an adorable bearded dragon who has made the mundane day to day super fun and interesting.
When I first started watching the show in 5th or 6th grade I liked Goku because he was the main character and the hero and I was supposed to. And I started in the middle of the planet namek saga right before the ginyu force showed up so that didn’t help Vegeta’s case 😂😂😂 but after seeing more of the show I decided Vegeta was my favorite. Now here I am a junior in college still obsessed with him 😂😂😂💜💜💜 he’s literally my screensaver...
At 12:24,goku didn't put the multiverse in danger.The universes with low mortal level were gonna get erased anyways.If goku wasn't there,none of them would have had a chance to survive.
I'm more like Goku. I do have Vegeta qualities, such as wanting to surpass people, but I'm not mean or arrogant. Mainly I'm like Goku because I enjoy helping people, have a kind nature even at my own expense, and much more (Yes I heard what Akira Toriyama said here). The thing is, Goku has that whole "So you would be stronger if I don't fight you now?" thing and the fighting for the sake of fighting thing. Both of which can put people in danger inadvertently. If it came down to training, I would be Vegeta, since I always pushed my body to the limit (fractured some bones, and have gone too far with the bench pressing, resulting in it falling onto my ribs though they didn't break).
I'd rather not choose between them, and instead have a little of both. I personally think Vegeta's humanity and Goku's lust to better himself come hand in hand. In fact, as people, we need to be like both of them. We need to be human like Vegeta so we can care for our friends and relatives, and we also need to have a want to better ourselves at what we do like Goku, constantly improving our skills for future use. Of course, I didn't say that it'll be easy to become both, but we can always try our best to become both right?
Goku cares about his friends and family when they die, but not when they are alive. He seems to be socially unaware and in fact more alien than Vegeta is. Maybe it's the fact that Vegeta was royalty so he was being primed to have a family while for Goku he never had much family and lived alone in the woods for most of his childhood.
Vegeta regressed in character at the start of Super? No that is not thinking rightly. Just cause he admits Goku is better does not mean he stops training to be better cause he also shares Goku's want to always reach for the stars he is however is willing to put it to the back for a while, that want to always be the best is what they share, Vegeta saying he is the best is ego, he too would have wanted death if he had no challenge cause Saiyan, Goku beyond hurting his pride was the personification of something to aim for, Goku does it too for people who beat him or interest him. To be the best yet have a challenge is a goal they share and the other personifies the challenge and sometimes a goal. Vegeta did not just give up a goal or a dream cause he was behind, no he kept at it just with a more personal and kinda normal outlook, but more importantly he realised that sometimes other things in life can take precedence no matter the focus on your dream and only when those other things let you do you follow it do you but you always remember the truly important parts of life. And that is why Vegeta is better of the two. Either way I am more of a Frieza.
I would pick to be goku but if I had to pick from any character in dragon ball I will pick gohan because he is one of the most badass character in dragon ball. Remember in the cell saga gohan was the first super saiyan 2 and in the buu saga he was the only one that could match majin buu just to be eating by him then he just became a scholar and stopped fighting then in the tournament of power he didn’t do that much am I the only one that thinks that gohan had the biggest potential in dragon ball
Amazing video man. Love it. Can't decide, I feel like I'm Goku at times, because comparing yourself to others hinders your own progress. But the last part of your video about Vegeta letting go, and finding out his own way is awesome.
The moment I saw the 'My Bulma' scene in Super, I already knew I was a Vegeta>Goku kinda girl. I can not only relate to that sense of protectiveness, I actually admire it, as I've grown up with many people trying to shelter me but few ever trying to protect me from harm. When I grew up and moved out, I developed a strong sense of protectiveness for people I care about, so they'd never have to feel what I felt, having to face every fight on their own. So if someone I cared about was struck by even a God of Destruction, I don't doubt my response would be just as furious as Vegeta, because I live for my friends, family, my loved ones. Just like Vegeta does.
I also thought his social anxiety in that one scene where he was lost in that crowd and couldn't find Bulma and Trunks was really relatable and human too.
Man I could listen to you all day go on about different topics. Vids I could always count on to cure my boredom. Probably should've put this on a more recent video, but regardless keep up the amazing work
I like how he ignored the back half of this video vegeta got over his chip at the end of super granted it could be fleshed out more but, if they don't ruin the story. Then we'll be looking at an entirely new Vegeta. Hopefully he doesn't follow in the steps of Gohan.
@@Melliisha His opinion is irrelevant tho since he doesn't even have half of the story. Forget super, if he had even reached the end of Z he could see that vegeta doesn't have a chip on his shoulder anymore
Trokeando Cuh I think what he means is that unlike vegeta Goku doesn't worry about someone being stronger than him and having a chance of losing in fact it excites him
“Hey my name is goku and I will put my 13 year old sons life in danger against a dangerous monster and not think about it until his real dad (piccolo) knocks some sense into me.”
Goku doesn't put the multiverse at risk he saves the multiverse from being erased because in episode 77 and chapter 28 of the manga Zeno and the grand priest are planning to wipe out 8 universes only leaving the four best universes left and then,.... Goku suddenly arrives and wants the tournament and then after the tournament seventeen wished back the universess so Goku saves everyone one from being being erased without anyone from other universes knowing it.?☝️☄🌙✨
Sound off in the comments and let me know which one you think you're more like... Or better yet.. which person you think is more moral overall.
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THIS VIDEO IS FILLED WITH MISINFORMATION AND LEAVES OUT DRAGON BALL.
VEGETA IS EXACTLY LIKE THAT GUY YOU BEAT IN A VIDEO GAME WHO SWEARS HE'S BETTER THAN YOU. HE'S EXTREMELY DELUSIONAL AND TRIED TO KILL OFF THE REST OF HIS RACE WHILE BEING ANGRY ABOUT FRIEZA BLOWING UP HIS PLANET.
VEGETA IGNORES KID TRUNKS BUT CARES ABOUT AN UNBORN BABY. VEGETA GAVE NO FUCKS ABOUT ADULT TRUNKS AND TREATED HIM LIKE TRASH FOR THE LONGEST.
AGAIN, TORIYAMA STATEMENT ABOUT GOKU IS NICE AND ALL THEN HE CONTRADICTS THAT BY HAVING GOKU RISK HIS LIFE TO SAVE PICCOLO AND TIEN FROM IMPERFECT CELL, HAS GOKU PASS ON THE MANTLE TO GOTEN AND TRUNKS AND HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR HIS SON TWICE, ONCE AGAINST RADITZ AND AGAINST CELL.
AND STUFF THAT HAPPEN IN DRAGON BALL LIKE KILLING KING PICCOLO FOR KRILLION AND REACHING HIS SSJ FORM BECAUSE HIS BEST FRIEND WAS KILLED. EVERYTHING YOU SAY FROM 10:15 IS A COMPLETE LIE ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE STUFF YOU SAID BEFORE THAT IS ALSO BULLSHIT.
BOARDROOM-BULLY _ THE H.N.I.C. OF THE BULLY PULPIT what the fuck?????? 😂😂😂😂😂 YOU OKAY BRO??
I would have to go with Vegeta as the better overall character. He fights to not only get better but also to protect his wife and family who he cares about deeply, even if he does not come right out and display or say it all the time. Over the course of the shows and series you see Vegeta evolve from a homicidal maniac to a loving family man who has friends he cares about, even in his once rival, Goku.
Speaking of Goku, he on the other hand has the mentality of an 8 yr old and constantly puts the world and universe in jeopardy so he can fight people, never once thinking about any of the risks or even hesitating to straight up abandon his family because they got in his way of fighting people. He never learns from his mistakes, he does not care about his family or friends, and has zero growth as a character.
Rather be Krillen. Cause Android 18, and other reasons. Just think of everything you could do within that universe as Krillen. Sure your not the strongest but with the knowledge and access to wishes whenever you want.... You really don’t have to worry, that much. Even if you die, you will just be Revived back. Because plot protection.
The way you speak in your videos along with the visuals make me laugh every upload
They totally do have the same goal.. They both wanna be stronger than Goku.
Stigh UNDERRATED COMMENT
SuperZ 2011 yep
Stigh you’re correct lmao
So true
Lol
Before watching the video: "Vegeta"
After watching the video: "Vegeta"
Amen!!!
Same
Same here, never been a fan of the 100% good and righteous protagonist
FACTS
Right
It's always been Vegeta. Dragonball is a series about self improvement and who's grown more as both a fighter and a person than Vegeta? No one. Not even Piccolo. He's the man.
Lol. Piccolo might have had a worse life than Vegeta.
@@hoodedone8547 That definitely isn't true. Vegeta is twice Piccolo's age. He suffered much, much longer.
@@Alassandros The only thing Vegeta 'suffered' was the loss of his planet, and he appeared to take that in stride. And as a part of Freiza's force, Vegeta did exactly what Saiyans are infamous for: fight.
Piccolo on the other hand was ostracized from all society and as such, was forced to raise himself in the wild. I remember seeing an episode where it stated that Piccolo even WANTED to join humanity, but witnessed humans slaughter each other so much that it completely blackened his heart.
Vegeta was raised to be the 'Prince of Killers'. Piccolo wasn't. He was just some little green dude lost in the wilderness that saw countless atrocities and found a way to live through it.
@@hoodedone8547 You seem to be ignoring the subtext of captivity. Vegeta lived in fear under Frieza. He was abused by Frieza and his henchmen. He was put under pressure until he became warped. Vegeta said it himself both in his first death and when he became possessed by Babadi. He suffered.
What did Piccolo undergo? He was free his whole life. He only hated Goku.
Goku
Personally, I'd be TFS Goku. I'm just about that dumb
hyperglycemic crime chamber
Hypertonic Lion tamer
That's what make hyper sonic Gohan
Hyper bolic sonic chamber
As TFS Goku you'd be a moron until you go super saiyan. You'll be a jacked Einstein when you're SSB.
Can i cheat and just be vegtio.
*FINAL KAMEHAME HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!*
ME TOO!!!!!
Yes but only for 1 hour, then you'll have to choose >:)
Second question, can I be Gogeta?
Super Serg for only 30 minutes, then choose. the correct choice is EX Gogeta from dragon ball fusions cause that can last for however long you want
"The man who conquers himself is greater than one who conquers a thousand in battle" -Buddha
why u no doctor yet?
-Asian mother
@@samethassans8956 LOL.😅
Lmfaooo but where is the buddha oh yea he let someone blow his head off lmaooo
That's cuz Buddha couldn't fight
Jeramiah Young smh kinda
Lemme tell you something big brain I would rather be gogeta
@@noobinator3699 Gogeta isn't as cocky as Vegito, since he actually knows when to get serious.
@@barpos97 vegito acted cocky purposely against buuhan bcuz he never intended to kill buuand against zamasu he was fighting seriously.
Vegito in the timeline where it was permanent.
Hah! I'd rather be Vegito
@@intasarbatool5522 gogeta is better
I'd still be Goku, so when i die i can say "Like a b*" to vegeta
Obscure tfs reference, kinda pog
Obviously Vegeta
Although most people say Goku initially, if you think about it,
1. Vegeta is more mature and caring than Goku (Super excluded)
2. He is cooler
3. He is a family man
4. He has a pride that pushes him beyond his limits and literally allowed him to disobey a mind controlling warlock
5. He's a one man army who has made it all the way till now on his own(Super excluded)
6. Hot wife
7. Although he is the king of all Saiyans he refers to himself as a Prince to show respect to his fallen Father.
8. Has the guts to throw away his pride when absolutely necessary
Enough said
More mature is debated when someone is willing to sell their soul, family, and their own conviction for power because you don't like being second best.
@TED 05 Isn't like Majin Vegeta is a different person from Vegeta.
@@Ramona122003 he has his instances of immaturity, just like Goku has his instances of maturity. They're shadowed because of the number of instances of the opposite case
@@Ramona122003 he sacrifices himself to try to beat Buu. Goku is cocky and tends to underestimate his opponent
@@ImperiaGin So does Vegeta. In fact, Buu awoken to begin with because Vegeta underestimated Buu.
Vegeta.
Works harder than anyone.
Family man.
Strong mentality.
Badass
Goku:
Is Braindamaged
Has a Stupid Wife
Wins only Because of The plot
@@4nnd711 TFS is not canon
@@4nnd711 By the same logic you could also say Vegeta wins only because of the plot. Because everything in the show happens because of the plot. So stop using that stupid point. It makes you look like an idiot.
@Terance Jackson What he meant was. (Ultra instinct)
@@JaganshiLork if you were to destabilize the story into something such as real life, who would be more successful?
Vegeta
He’s cool af, also he talks so much shit to Goku it makes me laugh
@Chicken Head stfu
@@jzaee bruh
Chicken Head boy if you don’t get yo dumbass outta here
Same lol
no
I'm sick of hearing Goku isn't a hero even if Toriyama and his grandparents say he dosent fight for the sake of others. He clearly doesn't just let Frieza cripple people in front of him and cell was a perfect example of wanting to fight strong guys especially with that senzu bean but overall hes a kind hearted guy he doesn't want unnecessary pain and he knows when enough is enough that instant transmission suicide shows he was willing to clean up his mess in the next few minutes it was in vain but the thought was there
Goku definitely is a hero he gave frieza that speech about saving the universe. He doesn’t let people just come and try to destroy or take over earth. He just happens to enjoy it a lot. He fought with everything he had to stop Beerus from destroying earth even when he almost died doing so even with he couldn’t fight anymore he still was tryna fight to protect earth while enjoying it
Okay, while Goku has had some moments where he has saved the world, he's never seemed to show any specific want to save the world except for when fighting Buu. He'd always be fighting for his own sake, even though he knows some enemies had to be defeated, hence Gohan v Cell.
Pikachu attack I disaggre most of his fights are to protect others like when he fought the ginyu force frieza raditz nappa and even vegeta the first time
Also in Dragon Ball after seeing his best friend dead in his arms he swore to avenge him. I mean come on people, Goku cares about those around him.
The fact is Goku is a selfish hero.
"he insists on fighting Purple Hitler alone until he can't. He helps Purple Hitler live. Which results in Purple Hitler heading to Earth."
Calling Freiza 'Purple Hitler' Is the best thing ever.
Vegeta is a monarchist by the way. Vegeta's political ideology and philosophy of life is really pretty similar to Freeza's even now, he executed Ginyu without a second thought and was going to do the same to Freeza before he was cockblocked by whoever penned the script.
@@noybbyon3995 although everything you said are actually not wrong. Piccolo in tfs will call you : NEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDDD!!!!
@@lolcall5295 or cell in the background
"You're like Hitler, but even Hitler cared about Germany or something..."
@@noybbyon3995 you are an idiot who tried to be smart but either checked wikipedia or youre just a super nerd. Anyway it doesnt matter, because it is just a stuiped joke Cant u understand a damn joke? Its not like he did a video comparing the two...
As someone who always had one goal and had it taken away from me, shattering my own mental health for years, along with realizing how much it affected me. I always grew up relating more to Vegeta. It's rough, and finding a new goal for myself has been heavy, but if there's one character that I can truly find inspiration in to keep going, it's Vegeta. Similar to that question from Skyrim's best dragon. "Is it better to be born good, or overcome your evil nature through great effort?" Vegeta was never perfect, he was horribly evil for a long time, and I'd never excuse that truth. But while Vegeta still is "second best" (though I guess with the end of Super, that's debatable now) he's still the most human, natural and relatable character in all of Dragonball to me. Which is why he'll always be my favorite character in any media.
YES, THIS IS WHAT I WAS SAYING
Kruseid I’m more of a Goku because I haven’t had that kind of thing happen to me yet.
Sure, deaths are terrible and it’s sad that people I know have died, but that shouldn’t stop me from pushing on forward in my life.
I’m not looking to be the best at anything, just better than what I am right now.
@@cityguard4847 that didn't stop Vegeta from pushing forward either. Just look at his character development. Look at him before and now, something Goku never did. Someone with that background, now is a god.
what goal?
Kruseid I can relate. having 1 goal, being distant from everyone, and having someone overshadow me... i couldnt really express it... I was stuck trying to make a comment until i read this, this literally spoke for me in a sense of im not the only one and not feeling alone.
Goku of course. Hell in this very video you pretty much explain how Vegeta became a better character by becoming more like Goku. He became someone who focuses on what matters to him and is at peace with his past mistakes.
Growing up I had a relationship with a friend where I was the Vegeta to his Goku. Learning to want to and actually forge my own path was a big step into adulthood for me back then. So I've always been a Vegeta guy.
What kind of question is that? I wanna be the prince of all mother trucking saiyans Vegeta. Objectively the best character in the show oh and I love vegetables
A jar of pickles that your opinion
Frieza is way more entertaining than Vegeta, Future Trunks is the best character
Vegeta is not the best character in the show.
Vegeta is the best anime character ever created
@@cinematicethan1351 he's not even top 10
At the end of the day Vegeta is the one with the rich wife lol
Hot wife*
Rich, hot wife. Chi Chi reminds me of an elderly chinese woman.
@@mrbell8189 Chichi was hot in Dragon Ball...
Well, Chi Chi is now rich too since Mr. Saitan gave Goku a whole bagfull of money at Dragon Ball Super. She is not as wealthy as Bulma but still now rich as well.
upupandaway90 what does Vegeta do with the money or even if he cares
I'm still definately Goku, like someone wise once said
"Be happy, but never satisfied"
For me personally VEGETA is one of my idols, he will always be my favorite DB character. To point out, Goku showed compassion for Vegeta when him and his buddies first encountered him they could have finished him off but decided to spare him and give him a chance. Without that we wouldn't have been able to see Vegeta grow into the person he is today, so I will always respect goku.
There is a major detail you forgot in your video.
You forgot that according to Vegeta himself in Z and Toriyama in the Daizenshuu, ALL full blooded saiyans have a natural urge and desire to keep getting stronger and fight strong foes. (It was never just a Goku thing).
That's why Vegeta let's Cell reach his Perfect Form and why he didn't stop training after the Cell Games after Goku and Cell died and Gohan quit fighting. Vegeta was already the strongest person alive during the 7 year gap yet he kept on training.
when goku died Vegeta said he would never fight again
vegeta was not the strongest for 7 year gap.
He was the strongest for a part of it.
But goku and specially gohan showed that everyone was far behind gohan during the cell tournemant.
Goku was way ahead of vegeta and gohan was way ahead of both of them.
Reason gohan sucked in SSj1 vs cell is simply because he was also scared and not a fighter like goku and vegeta
@@nunovaladascardoso5581 which was proven wrong because Vegeta was revealed to have kept training all 7 years after the Cell Games. Why train if you're not gonna fight?
To keep in shape in the face of any eventuality when the time is right and not fuck up like Gohan in the Buu Saga
+Anibal Rodriguez You basically mean to fight so idk why you even commented that
Goku is social oblivious. He doesn't see his family as family, but companions. To Goku, ChiChi and Gohan are in the exact same category as Bulma and Krillin. He doesn't understand why ChiChi is so determined to make sure Gohan and Goten succeed because he has never had to live in the real world. He couldn't comprehend why Vegeta would stick by his promise to be at Bulma's side when her second baby was born. Goku achieving Ultra Instinct wasn't driven by a determination to save his universe, but to win a fight. You want proof that Vegeta cares? Look no further than that time Beerus slapped Bulma.
EDIT: Changed phrasing of first line.
silverblade357 even though I disagree, I still think that your comment is very underrated. You should get a lot more likes!
social invalid? eh I mean the only reason any of the characters are around, including vegeta is because of goku. plus the moments we see goku alive during peaceful times he's home. yeah he goes off training but he still goes back to his family.
We know Goku lowkey feels for Chi-Chi. Look when Goku black was talking shit about killing her and goten. He snapped too
Zach Lang yeah, exactly. Also, remember that moment when mui goku got beat by jiren and then he said that he couldn’t have come this far without his friends? And this is only the tip of the iceberg, as there are many more examples that show goku doesn’t always fight because he wants to see how strong his opponent is.
silverblade357 silverblade357 yeah but what about when zamasu said he killed goku and his family In the goku black arc. Goku did care. I’d also compare to vegeta’s rage when bulma got slapped by beerus. Also, in the tournament of power when goku was about to lose (while in ultra instinct) krillen yelled and goku had flashbacks of everyone. It’s doesn’t matter how he achieved UI. He was still fighting for everyone. But in the end it doesn’t matter we’re always biased to our own favorite characters.
Who : “Definitely Super Goku”
Why : *”Plot Armour”*
He still died more often than Vegeta.
Who vegeta why because he's a badass enough said
Joanie Pépin they’ve died the same number of times
Joanie Pépin in Z Goku died one more time then Vegeta but in Super Vegeta dies when the earth blows up so they are equal.
GODOFAWSOMENESS1 does that really count if it was rewinded?
Goku. I appreciate Vegeta and his character arc(s?) and role(s) in the series, but personally, I'd rather be like Goku
I just want to have fun and excitement and to continue improving in everything and anything I do, I guess
You suck bitch vegeta is amazing asshole
@Haru Okumura I was just kidding but this asshole who commented before you took it seriously
@@hairlinedissolver8739 u legit cursed the guy out dumbass
@@hairlinedissolver8739 You suck bitch
"OH GRR, MY PRIDE; I WISH I WERE A CARROT"
Team four star
lol
that’s not inaccurate
Wahooooo Team Four star
Vegeta :- MOCK MY PRIDE
omg i love dbz abridged
vegeta has bulma and a lot of money - I'll be vegeta
And he clearly cares for and fucks his wife more than Goku. Yeah, Vegeta all day.
what's wrong with pink? If you pull it off you pull it off
Sarthak Swami goku has chichi and alot of money, not as much as vegeta but his step dad the ox king has some dough. plus hurcule gave him a small loan of a million dollars.
Dany Dady who gives a fuck about money when your a fighter like Goku? Plus Goku can auto win any tournament and get easy money if push comes to shove.
Goku is actually a prince too he married into royalty Chichi is actually a princess.
I wanna be Goku but smarter 😀
😂
So you want to be Vegeta
@@taherpatrawala_ I want to be a smarter Goku with the same personality 😖
@Holy Chicken Vegeta is smarter and more talented than Goku. It was stated even in the manga 😏
I feel you. Goku is damn near retarded 💀
Honestly, his fight against Toppo, despite how silly Toppo acted, goes to show how far Vegeta has come.
Vegito. You get Bulma AND Chi Chi.
Matt Adams Bulma is a babe. Dem titties tho
shit chi chi gonna be screaming in bed so no if i vegtio i pick bulma
@Kenny Thomas lmao
Goku doesn't remember kissing Chi Chi because she's kinky AF and everytime it's like a traumatic experience for him and he represses the memories.
Matt Adams bulma got old
I'd rather be a Goku. It sounds less stressful, and you can't deny that Goku has a positive effect on those around him. There's a reason Chichi still loves him after all this time. There's a reason why an assassin like Hit started thinking more like a martial artist after fighting Goku. There's a reason Goku's enemies inevitably learn to respect him and most of them become his friends. Goku possess's a childlike innocence that never harshens. He is always entertained by everything he does because much like a child everything feels new and exciting to him, but fighting is still his passion. Goku may not be a family man, but he does his best considering his lack of intelligence and self control. And self control is integral to Goku's character because he doesn't fight to defeat his enemy, he fights to defeat himself, to gain mastery over himself. In Goku's eyes he never has perfect self control because he will never fully master himself, and this is reflected in his actual personality traits and actions. He leaves his family behind to train because sometimes he just can't help himself anymore, he has a limit to how long he can go ignoring his desire to get stronger.
That makes him unstable and it isn't an excuse. If you can't raise children then don't have them. He has a choice he just chooses wrong. He is a talented fighter but as a person and a father and a husband he is shit.
It's like when people say they are addicted to drugs and can't quit and "it's a sickness" and "I don't have a choice"...... Well, you chose to start using and knew the implications. Goku knows what he is doing and does it anyway. People blame far too much on his lack of intelligence but it's his selfishness that does most of it
@@hermes0623 I think you give goku too much credit. The whole point of his character is his childish innocence. He just doesn't think, is that a flaw? Well yes and no. I think you're looking at goku like he's a normal person, and he's not. He lacks the sensibility that the average person has, this helps him in some ways and is a disadvantage in others. He isn't unstable, he's just inconsistent. I don't think he even realizes the reason why he trains to such extremes, he just does it because it feels natural to him. He does try to be a father, and we see him trying very genuinely but he sucks at it. He cares about the people around him and clearly gets protective of them at times, but at times he also loses his temper to catastrophic results. think he's a good person but a terrible father. A perfect martial artist but a flawed role model.
Tom that's the thing. Even being childish he still chooses what he does. You make it sound as if he is a slave to his personality and he acts without thinking. It's just another excuse for his horrible actions. He's said many times he wants to fight the strongest. That's a goal and a choice. He acts childish but he doesn't have the brain of a 3 year old without reason. He didn't give cell the senzu on impulse he made a choice to do it, as stupid as it was. He didn't go see xenu on impulse. He was told and beerus explained why it was a horrible idea. Goku heard him and said fuck it anyway. Things only work out for him because he has main protagonist armor. He is entirely in control of himself and chooses what he does. That whole "the point of goku is he's innocent and childish" excuse doesn't fly. He has kids and is old as hell. He makes choices like every other adult. He isn't disabled or mentally ill.
Tom "oh goku is so unique that I've never met anyone like him" haha yeah dude because anyone who behaved like him would be arrested or killed because eof his stupidity. Try as you like his character isn't some innocent good person character. He's just a strong moron. You are projecting things on goku that you want to believe. So when he does things that are choices you pretend "he can't help himself" in order to justify them. It's kind of what people who like someone or something too much do. I'm just going off of what I see and read. Goku doesn't have to be a good father or even a good person. I'd watch dragon ball anyway. The point is people defend his behavior with irrational ideas of what they "believe" he is thinking or how they "interpret" the character. Believe what you want though. Youd think you'd want some sort of character development though.
I would be goku because he is the only character where I see is a role model.
Maybe in Z but in Super i disagree.
@@crazydude449 All 3 thing you mentioned are factually wrong.1st thing - He knew Gohan had it in him to beat Cell(don't be mad cause your daddy doesn't believe in you like that).2nd thing - T.O.P. would've still happened and that's literally stated in the show.3rd thing - Goku stayed dead because he felt like he was the one attracting all the biggest threats in the universe to Earth.But nice try tho you're clearly lacking chromosomes so I truly pity you
@@ananijedzankic he got extra credit on his chromosome test
@@borage7122 lmao
Ananije Dzankic man Goku literally couldn’t care to talk to his family through king Kai even if he could for 7 YEARS when he was in the other world and didn’t even visit the earth until he knew there was going to be a tournament is funny that a “smart “ person like you is ignoring this OFC lol
Vegeta. I've always found him more relatable when he started to be a good guy
I wanna be the god of destruction yamcha
FaintTuber Summons saibaman
*Hugs* (Explodes)
Basically figterz yamcha
Best anime rivalary: Goku and Goku
Edit: Thanks for all the likes xD
It's Purple Gaming Nope
It's Purple Gaming remember that time goku and goku saw goku to join forces against goku
I love that you say this while the video takes a moment to explain that there is no rivalry
Remember when Goku fused with Goku? To fight Goku to defeat Goku with Goku?
@@FiraDeviant I dont think u got the joke :P Goku alwayd pushed himself to become stronger so he is his own rival in a way
I’d be Toriyama, the man behind the slaughter
Are you implying that Goku is selfish? Did you forget all the times he got mad because his friends were hurt?
Umm because of who?
All he cares is friends family (not much of chi chi) and fighting
Goku is selfish and maybe he gets mad at himself when others get hurt from his selfishness. And Goku cares about people but he cares more about his passion.
Goku let a man who indirectly killed, Piccolo, Kami, Tien, Chiaotzu and Yamcha, like, so that he could fight him again. Goku let Frieza a man who has killed I don't know how many people, live for the sake of a fight. Goku has put his desires above others countless times, so no matter how many selfless acts he does, he can not be called truly selfless.
GuY oN iNtErNeT didn’t vegeta literally let cell get his perfect form and let babidi possesses him to gain more power despite knowing the threat he posed?
You should do a video, if you haven’t already, on the Psychology of Gohan.
I agree, that would be fascinating!
Vegeta didn't lose the first fight tho...He nearly tied 1v3. Though I guess he looked at it like a loss so
Well, he didnt reach his goal, so he lost. However Goku wasnt stronger. But because of the giant ape form, not because he is a better fighter.
THANK YOU Jordan Rhodes! I hate how people incorrectly state Goku defeated Vegeta in the saiyan saga. Goku won in an epic beam struggle, blasting Vegeta... only to upper clouds where he sat and angsted about his wounded ego and decided a Trump Card was the best going forward strategy. In reality, if Vegeta had just returned to continue the fight and not wasted his energy on a fake moon, Gohan and Krillin never would have noticed the orb in the sky and turn back to assist. Yajirobe wouldn't have the guts to get close enough to a non-ape form Vegeta. And we all know Goku had just tapped himself out using Kaioken for the beam struggle!
Not only did Vegeta tie in a 1v3, he kinda defeated himself more than they beat him. Yet the whole fandom talk about it as if it was a 1v1 throwdown and Goku dominated him? Whatever lmao if you all turned off the tv after the beam struggle ended then get out.
If you count yajirobi or however you spell it. The fight was 1v4
Vegeta won that fight because every bone in Goku's body was broken from the neck down, he even fell unconscious.
Vegeta won the fight between him and Goku. Goku was done after the beam struggle, nevermind the great ape form.
Vegeta has been my favorite Dragon Ball character ever since he appeared in the series. So, I'd be him.
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Neither. I'd rather be Gohan. Sure, he sucks ass at fighting(beacuse he doesn't want to), but he has a great wife and daughter, and seems the most "normal" out of the main cast.
Plus, even when he sucks, he is still my favourite character.
Me too.
Back then he was the best
Gohan is actually the strongest in the universe if he puts his mind to it
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Exactly. The problem is that he doesn't do that and his dad is the main character.
exactly, but remember the cell saga with gohan?
Vegeta. Because he is more cooler, smarter, handsome. Has sexy wife. Idc about his ego.
he's an ugly ass midget with a whack hairline wtf are u talking about
Stealthy he isn’t cooler
Wow, first for most things I think. I don’t even think would would say he handsome but that charisma!
"More cooler"
I mean if you could blow up solar system easily I think you might have a ego
You say goku doesn’t fight for others yet he turned super saiyan because krillin died
Albino Albino 1:19 watch the video
His best friend died right in front of him and that made him furious. All the training and battles he fought on Namek made him reach the level where the strength + the rage made him become a SSJ.
Someone kills your friend, almost makes your race go extinct, kills billions of people blows up a planet and yet you leave him alive. There is no reason for you to show mercy cuz a God wants you to kill him. And you still don't.
@@andy-kg5fb thats being stupidly empathetic lol
@@SavertonJr I'm actually less bothered by Goku sparing Freeza when he was begging for his life, compared to just letting Vegeta go.
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This Video: Philosophy of Eudaimonia
When I was a little kid, I was all over the place for Goku, he is simple, strong and loveable. When I was a teenager for some reason I started to like Gohan more, maybe because he was around the same age as me, or because he loved studying more than fighting, but he still showed some badass stuff, who knows. As I got older and older, eventually turning into an adult, I started to see Vegeta in a better light. I started to understand his reasons and be one with them. I liked the fact that he gets the job done, when someone needs to be obliterated call Vegeta, because Goku would let anyone go, as we seen it before. DBS has put a lot of change on the characters, I think Vegeta starting from DBZ slowly turned better and better. He went through a journey, which wasn't easy or pleasant, but by the end DBS he grew up, just as I did while I was watching him.
So in short, Vegeta is my favourite, both him and I needed to grow up in order for me to like him.
Vegeta all the way through
crazy because i experienced the opposite lol. when I was a child I thought being prideful and edgy was cool/badass but (vegeta and sasuke are the prime example). But when we got older most of us would realize that the gift of being happy all the time no matter what happened and to be loved is the best gift god could offer. goku has literally both of them. He has many friends that loves him more than he loves himself and has a smile on his face 90% of the time.
Vegeta’s flaw is not being willing to show the same mercy he was given but I agree Goku can be too forgiving. It could easily wind up biting you in real life.
I’m definitely Vegeta all about the variety
Y'know what? it shows lol
Everytime that goku gets mad and becomes more powerful it’s because he wants to protect his loved ones. Take the fight with beerus for example when he falls down to earth he thinks about his wife,kids,family,friends and realizes that if he loses everyone dies. Protecting his loved ones pushes him to new heights and to beat his enemies. Goku showed vegeta all this period
Finally someone with a brain
JeanFranco Cholidis I understand, BUT Akira Toryama said that goku just wanted to fight strong opponents and was changed to be more , Heroic and likable. Goku is more or less a selfish fighter who endangers everyone because he wants to be stronger. Vegeta is much more complex and has lots of emotional moments and is very deep. Goku is also a complex character, but Vegeta has such an empathetic quality and is very human. Majinn Vegeta is probably the most viewable part.
I don't think Goku directly shown Vegeta this, it was Trunks' death which sparked the change in vegeta.. However without goku none of that would have been possible yeah so I do see what you mean
Baby Genjo from what we've seeb goku is heroic though and I remember vegeta litterally preventing others from stopping cell from going to his perfect form because he wanted to see how stronge he will be
Ananije Dzankic a brain? So your just gonna act like people who believe in Vegeta is a lower quality than you. Im honestly sad in you
“Which is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” ~ Paarthurnax
Vegeta is the BEST CHARACTHER by far on the show.
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nah
No he isn't. The delusional prince and his rotten attitude
Rather be Krillen. Cause Android 18, and other reasons. Just think of everything you could do within that universe as Krillen. Sure your not the strongest but with the knowledge and access to wishes whenever you want.... You really don’t have to worry, that much. Even if you die, you will just be Revived back. Because plot protection.
Send them Dragonballs my waaaaaaay
I've always been like Goku, innocent and kind. Which ironically has always made me like Vegeta more, opposites attract sort of thing!
Goku is my Brother 100% and I’m so much like the ending of Tournament of Power Vegeta it’s scary.
How?
Cough cough
You must be dumb too if you are Goku's Brother like him
In life, you have to two kinds of people. People who lead, and people who follow. Goku and Vegeta represents both of these mediums. Goku personifies security, maturity, & selflessness. He trains to better himself, thus allowing other people to measure up to him, and not the other way around.
We all should strive to be like Goku, but realistically, a lot of us are more like Vegeta, hence why fans adore him. Always fighting, working hard, and determined to achieve a certain goal. That 'struggle' per say is what the character is built upon. He's not as 'boring' as Goku.
The dynamic is quite common in pop culture. Most notably Superman/Batman, and Naruto/Sasuke.
IbTusPeter goku is selfless? Lmfao have you watched the show ?
You're painting goku as some righteous hero which he's not. At this point in their character developments, goku is far more selfish and idiotic
@@Psilocybin1015 you're painting Goku as a negative character, he's carefree and joyful
I don't know I never liked vegeta that way, it doesn't matter to be how developed he's gotten the fact of the matter is he acts like he deserves to be better then everyone else
@@robertm.mcgrath7841 Didn't say he was a bad person, but he is undeniably dumb and more selfish than vegeta at this point in the franchise
Idk I want to be Krillin, that dude is infinitely underpowered compared to Vegeta and Goku, but he never stops he's always there for his friends... He became equal or stronger than 18, being a pure human only because he wants to protect her... I mean Krillin maybe a joke but give him enough time and he will catch up... Without using alien haxs
krilin reminds me of my right nut. Idk i low key call it krilin... does this mean another nickname can be zerum???? plz help im so lost right now...
And have a hot wife that will never get old.
I'd be getting Bulma to replicate the android transformation process so all the non-Saiyan characters can get a power boost to relevance again. Also becoming practically immortal would be handy.
Krillin is by far... weak af compared to his wife Android 18
I agree, people give Krillin a lot of crap but always overlook the fact that he is the strongest human on the planet.
That is an amazing feat! And he get the hottest girl in the show. And he inspires me.
I mean, if he can land a girl like that and not even have a nose, there is hope for all of us right?
He kisses chichi!! After he recovers from the heart virus in kame house he kisses her. Idk if if was in the manga. But it just gave the impression he was just a very private person. He almost died, which is why there was that public pda with her. But it's such an infuriating moment to see that retcon. More than the potara retcon.
Of course you’d rather be goku. He’s happy
Yeah same
But vegeta is happy just doesn't show it
Same
@@unrelentingtable1240 No he isn't
@Now give me your money so you want to be miserable 80% of the time? vegeta is a better character but there's no way people dont want to be like goku lol
I'll be farmer with Shotgun.
I'll be yamcha. :)
GOKU BLACK SSJ Rosé I’ll be krillin then
10:18 You misses the part where Goku dies to make sure Raditz gets hit by the Special Beam Cannon and when he stays dead in Buu saga to try to ensure nobody else threatens Earth to get at him like Gero, ensuring that he doesn’t have the chance to fight with them in the process.
I still see your point, just saying ya missed a spot. Also, isn’t it pretty cool that the saiyan prince is the more human character, deriving meaning from friends and family while the saiyan raised on earth embodies more than anything what it means to be a saiyan, striving mindlessly and endlessly for nothing but to become stronger?
In a way, Vegeta was RIGHT about traits being determined at birth, because both his prioritizing family and Goku’s prioritizing fighting happen *despite* their nurture. Just a thought.
Goku overcame the limitations of his creator. Many of Goku's previous enemies became his friends, and he just got the sense beat out of him. Goku had put aside his training and was leading a happy home life until his brother showed up.
This was surprisingly really good. Especially since I love Dbz and have been studying human psychology. This was perfect.
Vegeta, because he never abandons his pride that or kid Gohan
Except that one time when Beerus came to earth in BoG. That bingo scene gets me every time
mcfry13 FUN TIME BINGO
Gokhan Gamer weeeeel that already happened to me in grade school
OverKillerClint lol
mcfry13 Well, we can all be happy about that this scene isn't canon anymore.
Vegeta isn’t evil he is just a big ol’Tsundere
SHH ITS OK IM A NORM he fucking is tho omg
LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF
yeah because let your wife and son killed by android if not for future trunks is a sundere right?
From the tournament of power Goku actually saved some universes because some of them would have been wiped out
Hmmm before watching this video...
I’d like to be goku... he seems like the type of person who’s so damn positive he never gets depressed... he stays with positive energy n everyone around him stays around him because of that. Now I’m gonna watch the video...
After vid: goku... idc about his ability as much as his vibes, but my real life personality is closer related to vegeta’s
Don't need to watch this to know I'm a krillin!
Your lucky number is 18.
There is one problem with your criticism of Vegeta. He wouldn’t stop training and getting stronger, ever. Not even if he were the “strongest in the universe “. Goku was a #goal, but not his only goal. He continued to train after Cell and Goku died, even though he said “I’ll never fight again.”
What kind of warrior continues to train when they don’t plan to fight again? The kind that value training, getting stronger, and pushing their limits. I.e. A real warrior. He said he wouldn’t fight again, because to him, there would be no one else worth fighting after Goku/Kakkarot.
Both Goku and Vegeta are true warriors. They just happen to be able to sharpen and test themselves with one another.
I choose Vegeta.
rougewarrior26 it’s a problem with what he said, that “I’ll never fight with goku again” is not true, because this is dragon ball, people don’t die forever in this universe, so it’s makes sense to vegeta still training, because he knew goku would come back in some point
Watch this th-cam.com/video/zU507eDdWXk/w-d-xo.html I figure the english version would be fine as it conveys the same message.
He didn't "know" Goku would come back at all. As a matter of fact, they specifically said this after the fight. Goku didn't want to be resurrected, as his presence seemed to draw more enemies to Earth.
The point is, Vegeta continued to train because he is a warrior. Getting to fight and test himself against Goku during the Buu resurrection was a bonus for him. He trains because he is a warrior, and warriors stay ready. Vegeta even made it a point to tell this to Gohan during the "Gohan goes to high school" story line.
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Constantly working in his passion. Truly loves his son and family, keeps his word (married Chichi over Bulma), pure hearted, saves the multiverse on accident (universes were just going to be erased without contest, literally), cherishes those around him even if they hate him (Vegeta).
Seriously i have chills when you made a comparision of vegeta with tony stark, because is so relatable.
Vegeta's goal in life changed in super he started wanting to be the best in universe!!
Vegeta is the literal definition on tenacity while goku is the definition of perseverance
@@ZinoAmare i think perseverance works better
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Right. So those times he died in Z, lost in the first two series and or in Super (which is every time barring sort of Jiren and Freeza) don’t count apparently.
Because hey a character you like doesn’t get the spot light and that bothers you. Don’t pretend like that’s not why you’re claiming plot armour either.
I have no doubt when Gohan beat Cell or Vegeta Toppo you were fine with it.
4:07 confidence is silent
*meanwhile the quiet kid in the back of the class precedes to almost have a heart attack after making direct eye contact*
just cracked myself up, as ssj4 Gogeta would say, but hey, confidence is silent, but not that every silence is confident
IckowsKy true
Yo, I am tired of people saying that goku put the multiverse in danger. He didn't, Zeno already planned on destroying all of the universes. Goku actually gave them a fighting chance.
He still put his fucking family in danger in the Cell Saga
@@bideru1903 he spent that time resting WITH HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HE KNEW HE MIGHT DIE AGAINST CELL so before you guys say oh Goku out his family in danger RESEARCH
Sch591 I’ve watched every series in Japanese and English. He put Gohan in danger, no matter how much time he spent with him!
@@bideru1903 His family was in danger, regardless of him making Gohan fight or not, they were in danger.
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_It has to be _*_Vegeta_*_ , He has experienced the most character growth at of all the others throughout the DB series and watching this only increase that fact._
You are great at these breakdowns. I like how you understand the underlying points
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When I first started watching the show in 5th or 6th grade I liked Goku because he was the main character and the hero and I was supposed to. And I started in the middle of the planet namek saga right before the ginyu force showed up so that didn’t help Vegeta’s case 😂😂😂 but after seeing more of the show I decided Vegeta was my favorite. Now here I am a junior in college still obsessed with him 😂😂😂💜💜💜 he’s literally my screensaver...
He's the background on my phone too lol.
same here hahah!:)
Exactly
At 12:24,goku didn't put the multiverse in danger.The universes with low mortal level were gonna get erased anyways.If goku wasn't there,none of them would have had a chance to survive.
12:35 my man Goku!
Vegeta all the way!
vegeta all the gay
@@wubba7336 your profile pic is literally the definition of gay
I'm more like Goku. I do have Vegeta qualities, such as wanting to surpass people, but I'm not mean or arrogant. Mainly I'm like Goku because I enjoy helping people, have a kind nature even at my own expense, and much more (Yes I heard what Akira Toriyama said here). The thing is, Goku has that whole "So you would be stronger if I don't fight you now?" thing and the fighting for the sake of fighting thing. Both of which can put people in danger inadvertently.
If it came down to training, I would be Vegeta, since I always pushed my body to the limit (fractured some bones, and have gone too far with the bench pressing, resulting in it falling onto my ribs though they didn't break).
The only reason I’d be Goku is so I can see goten
I’ll be broly
I'd rather not choose between them, and instead have a little of both. I personally think Vegeta's humanity and Goku's lust to better himself come hand in hand. In fact, as people, we need to be like both of them. We need to be human like Vegeta so we can care for our friends and relatives, and we also need to have a want to better ourselves at what we do like Goku, constantly improving our skills for future use. Of course, I didn't say that it'll be easy to become both, but we can always try our best to become both right?
Really, you just described the deepest meaning of their whole relationship and development and maybe the series itself.
Goku cares about his friends and family when they die, but not when they are alive. He seems to be socially unaware and in fact more alien than Vegeta is. Maybe it's the fact that Vegeta was royalty so he was being primed to have a family while for Goku he never had much family and lived alone in the woods for most of his childhood.
Vegeta regressed in character at the start of Super? No that is not thinking rightly.
Just cause he admits Goku is better does not mean he stops training to be better cause he also shares Goku's want to always reach for the stars he is however is willing to put it to the back for a while, that want to always be the best is what they share, Vegeta saying he is the best is ego, he too would have wanted death if he had no challenge cause Saiyan, Goku beyond hurting his pride was the personification of something to aim for, Goku does it too for people who beat him or interest him. To be the best yet have a challenge is a goal they share and the other personifies the challenge and sometimes a goal.
Vegeta did not just give up a goal or a dream cause he was behind, no he kept at it just with a more personal and kinda normal outlook, but more importantly he realised that sometimes other things in life can take precedence no matter the focus on your dream and only when those other things let you do you follow it do you but you always remember the truly important parts of life.
And that is why Vegeta is better of the two.
Either way I am more of a Frieza.
Vegeta has regressed. Stop it he is not cool. If you wanna be Vegeta it just shows how weak you are
I would pick to be goku but if I had to pick from any character in dragon ball I will pick gohan because he is one of the most badass character in dragon ball. Remember in the cell saga gohan was the first super saiyan 2 and in the buu saga he was the only one that could match majin buu just to be eating by him then he just became a scholar and stopped fighting then in the tournament of power he didn’t do that much am I the only one that thinks that gohan had the biggest potential in dragon ball
Amazing video man. Love it. Can't decide, I feel like I'm Goku at times, because comparing yourself to others hinders your own progress. But the last part of your video about Vegeta letting go, and finding out his own way is awesome.
Goku is Literally Brain Damaged why would you want a damaged brain.
if trump can become president than goku isnt brain damage.
Zee way to bring politics into a fucking dragon ball z video
Person23 ikr keep that shit outta here
Saiyan Rush exactly how I feel!
Cuz he has optimism something I really need
The moment I saw the 'My Bulma' scene in Super, I already knew I was a Vegeta>Goku kinda girl.
I can not only relate to that sense of protectiveness, I actually admire it, as I've grown up with many people trying to shelter me but few ever trying to protect me from harm. When I grew up and moved out, I developed a strong sense of protectiveness for people I care about, so they'd never have to feel what I felt, having to face every fight on their own.
So if someone I cared about was struck by even a God of Destruction, I don't doubt my response would be just as furious as Vegeta, because I live for my friends, family, my loved ones.
Just like Vegeta does.
So you're a Luffy kinda girl
K9, excellent choice.
You don't even have to be a girl for that cuz everyone thinks the MY BULMA approach is admirable.
I also thought his social anxiety in that one scene where he was lost in that crowd and couldn't find Bulma and Trunks was really relatable and human too.
This. Just this. Goku *has* shown protectiveness for his friends. But Vegeta really does *live* for them. More specifically, for his family.
Man I could listen to you all day go on about different topics. Vids I could always count on to cure my boredom. Probably should've put this on a more recent video, but regardless keep up the amazing work
8:00 i love that he shows the team four star scene but repeated it
Mr. Satan
HAIL SATAN
Natzi joke
Ben Gates now you’re thinking like a satanist jimmy
I wish I were him
One of the only people in the universe who didn't die
Goku cause I’ll have plot armor
Shoe Gods you dog XD
Vegeta: Has plot armor but people just act like it’s imaginary
Goku:has plot armor and act like it is the end of the show because of it
Just because he is a main character
Without Goku then Vegeta would be so boring to watch lmafao
I'll rather be ultimate gohan
Thank you so much for making videos about what I love 💕. Love your content
Goku. I'd rather live a life happily doing what I love than living with a chip on my shoulder, complaining that someone is better than me.
Have you even watched super?
Have you seen an opinion?
I like how he ignored the back half of this video vegeta got over his chip at the end of super granted it could be fleshed out more but, if they don't ruin the story. Then we'll be looking at an entirely new Vegeta. Hopefully he doesn't follow in the steps of Gohan.
@@Melliisha His opinion is irrelevant tho since he doesn't even have half of the story. Forget super, if he had even reached the end of Z he could see that vegeta doesn't have a chip on his shoulder anymore
Trokeando Cuh I think what he means is that unlike vegeta Goku doesn't worry about someone being stronger than him and having a chance of losing in fact it excites him
So would you rather be dumb or arrogant
Ignorance is bliss.
David von Doom Nope, not the same thing lmao
Lmao 😂
“Hey my name is goku and I will put my 13 year old sons life in danger against a dangerous monster and not think about it until his real dad (piccolo) knocks some sense into me.”
No piccolo isn't his dad fuck piccilo
Also I'll throw a magic bean at the Monster that'll heal all the wounds and restore his stamina....
@@enterprisesystem8560 yeah he was 11, actually 10 if we didn't count the year in the hyberbolic time chamber
Ummm Vegeta does the same shit constantly But people seem to forget it for Favorite Character convienince
@@MircowaveTimeMachine not more than goku tho tf
Goku doesn't put the multiverse at risk he saves the multiverse from being erased because in episode 77 and chapter 28 of the manga Zeno and the grand priest are planning to wipe out 8 universes only leaving the four best universes left and then,.... Goku suddenly arrives and wants the tournament and then after the tournament seventeen wished back the universess so Goku saves everyone one from being being erased without anyone from other universes knowing it.?☝️☄🌙✨