At low mmr you will get games that are easy stomps for sure, play 3 or 4 games you might get one where you go 20-0 with a 1v5 rampage on top... But youll absolutely get some mind numbingly bad teams that hand your enemies esports level gold in record time. It's not easy and takes a loooooot of time or luck to get a run where you dont get shafted. Im out of it now but it took a long time. Between active sabotage and complete lack of understanding, low mmr games honestly come down to which team doesn't internally combust.
XD I just play earlier i was 6 1 on pos 1, enemy offlane litterally 3 lvl below me and somehow the score is 8 for my team and 14 to enemy, and enemy mid void spirit got his manta and echo saber in 15 minute And he wipe the floor and im the only one that can actually bite back and my team insteed of saving me they save themself XD (abbaddon with ult shield himself eventhough noone hitting him) And im in legend 4
@@RuRu0091 mmr is a lie. I played at 500-1000 mmr for a long time and people range from esports level awareness and ability to completely inebriated/drunk low iq potatoes. Its funny when you get shameless smurfs in the low mmr games and theyre confused by the fact that low mmr teams block, pull, stack, smoke gank, bait fights, rotate, value roshan and call missing. Id say 2 or 3 in 10 players down there is clueless but most people are fine. There are just shitters speckled all throughout the ladder and a low skill player has more impact on the game by way of feeding than a high skill player has on the game.
@@BrandynQuigley i dont know about that I usually play with my guardian friend, and i usually 1v9 and im still legend The skill gap is noticable Inonce play with divine player and our team got crush and somehow my friend still manage to farm enough to carry the game
@@RuRu0091 idk in both league and dota ive passed off my low mmr accounts to high level players who just want to sealclub and they dont get winstreaks. Some games they stomp but reality is you cant outplay bad teammates. Ive had plenty of games where i outplayed the enemy team and finished with 20-30 kills and only a few deaths. In other games its close as can be. In other games its hopeless and no amount of skill can trump your Allies repeated errors. I dont doubt youve had stomps, but i have 10 years experience playing at all mmr from 0 up to 4.2k and ive seen players at both ends of the spectrum that should be at the other, and its often enough that I can confidently say matchmaking and solo mmr in particular is not accurate. The top 1000 players ranking is obviously less tainted by boosters and smurfs and is more accurate and is a reasonable representation of skill... But even that isn't a true reflection of individual skill. In theory, a 3.5k player should be able to win at least 90% of the games at 0-500 mmr but thats just not the case. Probably because there are a ton of smurfs down there.. Its not like you're playing against all new players who are complete idiots. Id argue the majority are either smurfs or skilled players with attitude problems. Hell, at the low end of mmr table the game matches role queue players vs non role queue players.
@@BrandynQuigleythe reality is you don't need a 80%+ winrate to climb and that's just not how it works in Dota. But a high mmr player will tip the scale to win 60%+ of the games in that low mmr that makes for a noticeable mmr climb of 50 mmr per 10 games. Also while a low mmr player can pull and stack and smoke, they do so at absolutely stupid timings and moments. Or stack one or two camps in the whole game. It's many small details that add up to turning a 50% winrate into a 60% winrate and climbing up. The thing that tilts me the most is that people don't play to win. The amount of games I lose because people feel forced to take all 3 racks before killing the ancients or think killing the enemies in the pool is better than attacking the ancient is horrible. If 1 out of 10 games is lost because of that, that's the difference between a 50% and a 60% winrate! Also everyone got bad games where they play way below their average for whatever reason.
This is exactly correct, I have lost countless games where my offlane or mid feed 15 deaths in less than 10 minutes is not by any means easy to carry. This is around the 3.8k-4k bracket.
I seen another video by BSJ that said "in the low MMR brackets, its constant chaos. Be disciplined enough to not fall into the chaos. Focus on CS, farming, playing proper dota". Ever since i started doing that, i started climbing bigtime. If your team mates feed and the other team just gets way too strong, theres not much else you can go
@@oEchosyup, sounds about right. I've learned the hard way. Communication score is pretty damn low so I've just started muting as soon as someone talks shit. Much better now. And then just stick to good Dota, cs, farm. Objectives. That's all you can do
Great content as always :) especially been appreciating the live commented games you've posted as of late. Would be nice if you could put "(live commentary)" or smth in the title of those so they're easily identified!
Hey! Kinda new to the channel and dota. I have 200 unranked games under my belt with about 40% win rate (pretty bad). I am too scared to play ranked. Should I just try ranked or keep practicing first?
You get as good as who you play with. If you have 40% winrate, you're lower mmr than the game currently has assigned. Regardless its irrelevant. Ranked and unranked are honestly no different except you get to see the number. But if you're curious, ask your teammates and enemies their mmr or look it up. With 200 games you're fresh/new. Ive honestly never seen anyone in ranked with less than 300 matches, but ive seen good players with 300 matches played.
The point with low rank carry is they don't play their game. They always involved in some unsolvable math equation and fucked up their farming speed and timing. Low rank support too, they don't or never enable their carry even if that's not a scaling hero such as Ursa, Huskar or Slark, etc. They don't abuse their timing, and carry don't play their game. They just fight with 1-2 items and their itemization is always wrong. First item you need is for farm speed, if your game is winning, the second item is survival item because you're winning, the way your enemy can get more farm is by killing you. The third item is to kill. These survival and kill item can be reverse depend on winning or losing. If you're losing, the only way you can get more farm is by killing them. After that, every item is based on situation and if your hero like to play around the map by catching or by split pushing. Just say that it's a teamfight item. Pipes, Greaves, Crimson or even Boots of Travel can be considered as a teamfight item too. The point is, don't play their game, play your game, stack by yourself if your hero can farm stack and hit the right timing to snowball the game out of control for enemy.
so if ur playing pa and ur lane starts losing better decision is getting desolator and fight with treads into build a bkb? is there a situation where my lane losing and i still forced a BF with brown boots a good decision?
1)Don't defend your tower if you are at risk of dying as a carry 2) Don't leave safelane if you can't clear ancients most of the time 3) Put pressure on the tower and participate in team fight
4) If you are winning then stay with team and farm on their place if possible and if it is even or you are losing then farm on your place. 5) Take Aegis when winning and go high ground
@@nextasy6979 good point, but by the time Speeed was talking about it, dude had damage. It would have been a quality of life item in that situation. Plus, if he could have locked them down, he may have been more willing to show up for team fights earlier
Simple answer is why would you invest 6000 gold for an item that gives a some 3 second root. And literally nothing else a core wants. Been a while since they changed the build up to make it majority a pos4/2 item. Rod just gives int and hp no damage or attack speed. And the recipe is like 1400 gold. Literally can by mjollnir and shard basically for the same cost. And the open wounds prevents you being kited while you have the damage cing from attack speed from mjollnir mjollnir
@@brandonhurley8983 fair enough, I don't play Lifestealer so I was talking hypothetically. But judge me all you want, I buy Gliep as a 5th or 6th item on all my carry Weaver builds.
@@Barlo.B.WoWing i was answering your question from a game logic point of view why ask iy if your gunna take the answer as a personal insult. With weaver it would be fine as a 5th or 6th item. But in no way would i go for it as a 3rd or 4th which is when he bought/queued the mjollnir. Even on weaver though in most circumstances if you are buying deso, mkb, skadi etc. Before hand the mjollnir would be preferable unless you really have a need for more lockdown in the particular game. Another thing to add to the answer is they dont really have heroes that reuqire gleipnir in this game. Silencer, rubick, muerta, even et if w down dont really run away well outside of bkb and the bkb would render the gleipnir obsolete. Gleipnir on cores is very specific to if you cant keep on top of your targets as the gold to effect ratio is lackluster with the new item build up. Keep grinding man for all i know you are higher mmr than me. But the logic to choose items to suit the game and what your hero needs to do in that game is always gunna be useful
These heroes are very squishy with no escape so your positioning is very important but being knew to dota its very hard to position since u don’t know what other heroes are capable of. If u wish to continue playing these 2 hero u need to build more defensive items like hurricane pike and bkb. Or you can play easier more tanky cores like lifestealer, juggernaut and wraithking
16:52 What tower? There was no tower bottom, he could only tp to autopst and that tp last for 6 sec, plus a few sec of walking to the fight that would be already over...
From the guy that was 4k then dropped almost to Crusader and now is back at 4k I can tell that these brackets are not so different... sure people can farm faster but the amount of S shows, clown picks, and not paying attention to the minimap or enemies cooldowns, throwing games, griefers, and smurfs are the same. Different bracket, same S. Edit: Halfway the video Speed "That's why you are divine" like.. what? XD The landing stage was so bad XD but according to my previous sentence I am not surprised either
What are the chances you can do a Naga siren game. And talk about timings, wjen shes strong, because its my fav hero. But i feel most people in thre 3k bracket have no damn clue about Naga siren. What she does and needs. So it wouod be awesome to see you do a little detail in Naga 🙏
Ofc they work. I’m also in 3k SEA trying to climb the rank, almost 4k now. Just mute the annoying/ blaming people and don’t randomly blame people, do constructive criticism instead
honestly, i'm at the 2k range so probably it's diff with you but i think the best pos to play in SEA (unless you're a good midlaner) is to play a greedy-ish pos 4.
I turned off voice chat long ago. When someone talks on mic it just tells me they haven't been playing long enough to know it does more harm than good. Most people dont like being told what to do, half the players don't speak the same language and of those that do - half of those have voice chat muted and wont hear you. It wont give you the coordination you think it will, it just introduces potential for you to feel unheard and for teammates to get annoyed with. Its probably like 1 in 100 games i find myself in where at least 3 people are on mic in the same language, with me able to hear them making at least 4 people in on comms and that does have some value - but the number of times you'll just end up tilting someone or raging yourself or splitting the team because only half can hear/choose to listen makes it not worth it.
Lowkey speed a mad idea and of course i would be down. Alot of times watching these games low mmr think i do that all the time. Be interesting for you to do a live spectate on a game without actually providing coaching input. Personally its probably ego but i feel like australian servers are just built different. You have tryhards in guardian 3 who abuse creep agro more than i see in ancient replays. Like i watched a legend analysis and he didnt creep agro once.
New patch (when new recalibration came) made me drop from DIVINE 2 to LEGEND 1... now I slowly finally became Ancient 1 again.../soon ancient 2/... however I am really surprised watching this "DIVINE" carry playing so "average-bad", nothing special.. far from DIVINE, especially landing stage, so many mistakes I dont do (as pos 3)... I saw many people in legend/ancient playing and farming better. I make mistakes... a LOT of them, I am not a carry player and I am not an active Dota player anymore (I play only 3 games a week now, used to play 30).. but the ranking system is far from correct. Divines are not divines anymore.. and I as Legend 1 - 6 months ago dropped from DIVINE 2 so I can go back? What was I doing there when I am already ANCIENT 2.
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At low mmr you will get games that are easy stomps for sure, play 3 or 4 games you might get one where you go 20-0 with a 1v5 rampage on top... But youll absolutely get some mind numbingly bad teams that hand your enemies esports level gold in record time. It's not easy and takes a loooooot of time or luck to get a run where you dont get shafted. Im out of it now but it took a long time. Between active sabotage and complete lack of understanding, low mmr games honestly come down to which team doesn't internally combust.
XD
I just play earlier i was 6 1 on pos 1, enemy offlane litterally 3 lvl below me and somehow the score is 8 for my team and 14 to enemy, and enemy mid void spirit got his manta and echo saber in 15 minute
And he wipe the floor and im the only one that can actually bite back and my team insteed of saving me they save themself XD (abbaddon with ult shield himself eventhough noone hitting him)
And im in legend 4
@@RuRu0091 mmr is a lie. I played at 500-1000 mmr for a long time and people range from esports level awareness and ability to completely inebriated/drunk low iq potatoes. Its funny when you get shameless smurfs in the low mmr games and theyre confused by the fact that low mmr teams block, pull, stack, smoke gank, bait fights, rotate, value roshan and call missing. Id say 2 or 3 in 10 players down there is clueless but most people are fine. There are just shitters speckled all throughout the ladder and a low skill player has more impact on the game by way of feeding than a high skill player has on the game.
@@BrandynQuigley i dont know about that
I usually play with my guardian friend, and i usually 1v9 and im still legend
The skill gap is noticable
Inonce play with divine player and our team got crush and somehow my friend still manage to farm enough to carry the game
@@RuRu0091 idk in both league and dota ive passed off my low mmr accounts to high level players who just want to sealclub and they dont get winstreaks. Some games they stomp but reality is you cant outplay bad teammates. Ive had plenty of games where i outplayed the enemy team and finished with 20-30 kills and only a few deaths. In other games its close as can be. In other games its hopeless and no amount of skill can trump your Allies repeated errors. I dont doubt youve had stomps, but i have 10 years experience playing at all mmr from 0 up to 4.2k and ive seen players at both ends of the spectrum that should be at the other, and its often enough that I can confidently say matchmaking and solo mmr in particular is not accurate. The top 1000 players ranking is obviously less tainted by boosters and smurfs and is more accurate and is a reasonable representation of skill... But even that isn't a true reflection of individual skill.
In theory, a 3.5k player should be able to win at least 90% of the games at 0-500 mmr but thats just not the case. Probably because there are a ton of smurfs down there.. Its not like you're playing against all new players who are complete idiots. Id argue the majority are either smurfs or skilled players with attitude problems. Hell, at the low end of mmr table the game matches role queue players vs non role queue players.
@@BrandynQuigleythe reality is you don't need a 80%+ winrate to climb and that's just not how it works in Dota. But a high mmr player will tip the scale to win 60%+ of the games in that low mmr that makes for a noticeable mmr climb of 50 mmr per 10 games.
Also while a low mmr player can pull and stack and smoke, they do so at absolutely stupid timings and moments. Or stack one or two camps in the whole game. It's many small details that add up to turning a 50% winrate into a 60% winrate and climbing up. The thing that tilts me the most is that people don't play to win. The amount of games I lose because people feel forced to take all 3 racks before killing the ancients or think killing the enemies in the pool is better than attacking the ancient is horrible. If 1 out of 10 games is lost because of that, that's the difference between a 50% and a 60% winrate!
Also everyone got bad games where they play way below their average for whatever reason.
Nothing is easy at low mmr, peoples mentality is very "interesting".
This is exactly correct, I have lost countless games where my offlane or mid feed 15 deaths in less than 10 minutes is not by any means easy to carry. This is around the 3.8k-4k bracket.
I seen another video by BSJ that said "in the low MMR brackets, its constant chaos. Be disciplined enough to not fall into the chaos. Focus on CS, farming, playing proper dota". Ever since i started doing that, i started climbing bigtime. If your team mates feed and the other team just gets way too strong, theres not much else you can go
Not an easy game 😢
@@oEchosyup, sounds about right. I've learned the hard way. Communication score is pretty damn low so I've just started muting as soon as someone talks shit. Much better now. And then just stick to good Dota, cs, farm. Objectives. That's all you can do
Just pick stupid hero like bristbleback
Great content as always :) especially been appreciating the live commented games you've posted as of late. Would be nice if you could put "(live commentary)" or smth in the title of those so they're easily identified!
Hey! Kinda new to the channel and dota. I have 200 unranked games under my belt with about 40% win rate (pretty bad). I am too scared to play ranked. Should I just try ranked or keep practicing first?
You get as good as who you play with. If you have 40% winrate, you're lower mmr than the game currently has assigned. Regardless its irrelevant. Ranked and unranked are honestly no different except you get to see the number. But if you're curious, ask your teammates and enemies their mmr or look it up.
With 200 games you're fresh/new. Ive honestly never seen anyone in ranked with less than 300 matches, but ive seen good players with 300 matches played.
32:40 me as 3k carry when im watching my team dive highground without me
Hahaha while me trying to get tower when we just wipe the enemy team and my team farming in the jungle XD
The fact that this guy is divine is mindblowing. If I had to guess I would think he was guardian or lowend crusader. Wadduhek?
true hahaha after the removal of open wounds life stealer can't fight early game at all
Im actually bewildered when they said he is divine. He got baited a lot and the way he laning is so sad
The point with low rank carry is they don't play their game. They always involved in some unsolvable math equation and fucked up their farming speed and timing. Low rank support too, they don't or never enable their carry even if that's not a scaling hero such as Ursa, Huskar or Slark, etc. They don't abuse their timing, and carry don't play their game. They just fight with 1-2 items and their itemization is always wrong. First item you need is for farm speed, if your game is winning, the second item is survival item because you're winning, the way your enemy can get more farm is by killing you. The third item is to kill. These survival and kill item can be reverse depend on winning or losing. If you're losing, the only way you can get more farm is by killing them. After that, every item is based on situation and if your hero like to play around the map by catching or by split pushing. Just say that it's a teamfight item. Pipes, Greaves, Crimson or even Boots of Travel can be considered as a teamfight item too. The point is, don't play their game, play your game, stack by yourself if your hero can farm stack and hit the right timing to snowball the game out of control for enemy.
Most people get stuck because they dont consider what their enemy's plan is.
so if ur playing pa and ur lane starts losing better decision is getting desolator and fight with treads into build a bkb? is there a situation where my lane losing and i still forced a BF with brown boots a good decision?
1)Don't defend your tower if you are at risk of dying as a carry
2) Don't leave safelane if you can't clear ancients most of the time
3) Put pressure on the tower and participate in team fight
4) If you are winning then stay with team and farm on their place if possible and if it is even or you are losing then farm on your place.
5) Take Aegis when winning and go high ground
Why not Gliepnir instead of Mjolnir? Gliep would allow him to immobilize and close a gap on a kiting enemy right?
what's the point of closing a gap if you can't damage enough to kill
@@nextasy6979 good point, but by the time Speeed was talking about it, dude had damage. It would have been a quality of life item in that situation. Plus, if he could have locked them down, he may have been more willing to show up for team fights earlier
Simple answer is why would you invest 6000 gold for an item that gives a some 3 second root. And literally nothing else a core wants. Been a while since they changed the build up to make it majority a pos4/2 item. Rod just gives int and hp no damage or attack speed. And the recipe is like 1400 gold.
Literally can by mjollnir and shard basically for the same cost. And the open wounds prevents you being kited while you have the damage cing from attack speed from mjollnir mjollnir
@@brandonhurley8983 fair enough, I don't play Lifestealer so I was talking hypothetically. But judge me all you want, I buy Gliep as a 5th or 6th item on all my carry Weaver builds.
@@Barlo.B.WoWing i was answering your question from a game logic point of view why ask iy if your gunna take the answer as a personal insult. With weaver it would be fine as a 5th or 6th item. But in no way would i go for it as a 3rd or 4th which is when he bought/queued the mjollnir. Even on weaver though in most circumstances if you are buying deso, mkb, skadi etc. Before hand the mjollnir would be preferable unless you really have a need for more lockdown in the particular game. Another thing to add to the answer is they dont really have heroes that reuqire gleipnir in this game. Silencer, rubick, muerta, even et if w down dont really run away well outside of bkb and the bkb would render the gleipnir obsolete. Gleipnir on cores is very specific to if you cant keep on top of your targets as the gold to effect ratio is lackluster with the new item build up.
Keep grinding man for all i know you are higher mmr than me. But the logic to choose items to suit the game and what your hero needs to do in that game is always gunna be useful
i started dota 2 weeks ago and i always get stomped. playing snipere and muerta. what can i do?
These heroes are very squishy with no escape so your positioning is very important but being knew to dota its very hard to position since u don’t know what other heroes are capable of.
If u wish to continue playing these 2 hero u need to build more defensive items like hurricane pike and bkb.
Or you can play easier more tanky cores like lifestealer, juggernaut and wraithking
@@justmusic2353 ty!!!
Day 20 of asking speed sama to bring back old intro. Broooookkkeeeeennnn.
We need more borkennnn heroes !
16:52 What tower? There was no tower bottom, he could only tp to autopst and that tp last for 6 sec, plus a few sec of walking to the fight that would be already over...
From the guy that was 4k then dropped almost to Crusader and now is back at 4k I can tell that these brackets are not so different... sure people can farm faster but the amount of S shows, clown picks, and not paying attention to the minimap or enemies cooldowns, throwing games, griefers, and smurfs are the same. Different bracket, same S.
Edit: Halfway the video Speed "That's why you are divine" like.. what? XD The landing stage was so bad XD but according to my previous sentence I am not surprised either
What are the chances you can do a Naga siren game. And talk about timings, wjen shes strong, because its my fav hero. But i feel most people in thre 3k bracket have no damn clue about Naga siren. What she does and needs. So it wouod be awesome to see you do a little detail in Naga 🙏
Amazingly helpful content for low mmr scrubs like me.
im stuck at 3k MMR because I'm at SEA. Feel like these don't work on this server. If you farm you get flamed even when it's still 15 mins in the game.
Ofc they work. I’m also in 3k SEA trying to climb the rank, almost 4k now. Just mute the annoying/ blaming people and don’t randomly blame people, do constructive criticism instead
SEA is the worst server of the game
Turn off your chat bro, it works like a charm
honestly, i'm at the 2k range so probably it's diff with you but i think the best pos to play in SEA (unless you're a good midlaner) is to play a greedy-ish pos 4.
go find job and buy dota +. its help u avoid player u dont like.
And i remove my headphones, keeps me more concentrated and raises my awareness.
I turned off voice chat long ago. When someone talks on mic it just tells me they haven't been playing long enough to know it does more harm than good. Most people dont like being told what to do, half the players don't speak the same language and of those that do - half of those have voice chat muted and wont hear you. It wont give you the coordination you think it will, it just introduces potential for you to feel unheard and for teammates to get annoyed with.
Its probably like 1 in 100 games i find myself in where at least 3 people are on mic in the same language, with me able to hear them making at least 4 people in on comms and that does have some value - but the number of times you'll just end up tilting someone or raging yourself or splitting the team because only half can hear/choose to listen makes it not worth it.
This guy getting in pudge over and over again was triggering me so hard
Yeah, he thinks he counters Pudge like 90% of the low bracket players xD
These titles are so clickbait. Just title it as a game analysis. Not an educational video
damn the title breaks my heart i bet this guy didnt even experience how bad it is
Good players take mid with an Arc Warden or Meepo and GG the game first 10min bro.
pls have some subtitles.... my wife is sleeping and i want to watch this without sound..... hope ur future videos contains sub.... Peace
Im at 4k and would love to see you commenting on one of my plays just for fun, you would be impressed by what people do
Nice vid
Lowkey speed a mad idea and of course i would be down. Alot of times watching these games low mmr think i do that all the time.
Be interesting for you to do a live spectate on a game without actually providing coaching input. Personally its probably ego but i feel like australian servers are just built different. You have tryhards in guardian 3 who abuse creep agro more than i see in ancient replays. Like i watched a legend analysis and he didnt creep agro once.
New patch (when new recalibration came) made me drop from DIVINE 2 to LEGEND 1... now I slowly finally became Ancient 1 again.../soon ancient 2/... however I am really surprised watching this "DIVINE" carry playing so "average-bad", nothing special.. far from DIVINE, especially landing stage, so many mistakes I dont do (as pos 3)... I saw many people in legend/ancient playing and farming better. I make mistakes... a LOT of them, I am not a carry player and I am not an active Dota player anymore (I play only 3 games a week now, used to play 30).. but the ranking system is far from correct. Divines are not divines anymore.. and I as Legend 1 - 6 months ago dropped from DIVINE 2 so I can go back? What was I doing there when I am already ANCIENT 2.
I mean Devine 5 is not low mmr that’s like top 15% of players
it's definitely low mmr. low elo in league is plat and its 8% of the playerbase
@@lilpullout That means plat is high skill when most of the player base is lower skill than plat and then immortal/challenger is godly level skill.
gold is also 8% of the playerbase. does that mean gold is high skill too? no it doesnt.@@leandrodelmistro2238
I feel you have to be able to win before 20 minutes otherwise it's over no matter how much you farm or what you do. it's infuriating
i am stuck at 2k mmr because the skill gap between my team and my opponents has increased drastically
You are stuck in 2k because you are bad lmao
I'm stuck in 2k because I'm still learning my heroes and don't know my timings...
That's what you meant to say right?
That’s how matchmaking works you get the teammates the game sees you worthy off. And if your not a Smurf you get non smurfs
no i am like a 5k player@@jiesheng90
That makes absolutely no sense… if you’re viewed as a Smurf you get crap team m8s. Happens all the time… plenty of rampages here