America First - Patriots or Nazis? - WW2 Special
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- In 1941, the question of whether America should join the European War still isn't settled. Different groups whip up opposition to it, and those such as the America First Committee seem suspiciously sympathetic to Hitler's message and cause.
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I will post a colorized picture of an America First rally at Fort Wayne on Oct. 5.
who else is here just to get Indy and Spartacus into a cagefigt about which of them is hotter?
@@QuizmasterLaw I'm on Team Indy.
Not sure if this is the right place, but perhaps a bio about Jeannette Rankin could be interesting. The only person who voted against the declaration of war against Japan, and usually when she's is mentioned it is in negative way. So a nuanced view of her is be something I'd like to see. Anyway, keep being awesome guys!
@@yorick6035 I'm sure TimeGhost will try their best to cover Rep. Rankin in a bio special -- they're pretty close to that dreaded day.
SPOILERS:
Speaking of that dreaded day, this is frankly my opinion, but what she did was stupid and an insult to the thousands of Americans who were already dead when Congress voted. Her feminism and pacifism is more or less up for debate. I'm pretty negative on her myself, but as you stated, a nuanced take would come in handy. :).
"What you just said is pretty racist"
"We're not racist, you're racist!"
Ah, politics, please change.
I think i would prefer for people to pay attention to it, because the same statements the AFC had used are used today by people with a similar view point. It's just history repeating itself, again.
@callyharley Funny that the first republic that claimed to fight for human rights is the most hated for violating Human rights
@@LeBaron101 You either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain am i right?
"sorry you're offended by my offensive remarks"
Who ever makes the allegation first is supposed to be the winner and not a racist. According to the first person who makes the statement.
I like the shadow of the bomber plane on the map of Europe. Seems like an accidental foreshadowing.
I hope that two shadows become 1 over Germany from 1943 onwards
It is German bomber
They should change the nationality of the bombers when germany starts to lose air superiority.
I would assume it's not accidental as it lies almost perfectly on the A-A line, Arkhangelsk - Astrakhan. The line the German leadership had as the end goal of occupation.
What do you mean? Germany has this in the bag. The Soviet Union is on the very edge of collapse and Britain can be convinced by the Luftwaffe
Proud that in the short time this video has been up the community hasn’t devolved into craziness.
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hello!
This community is pretty good regarding this stuff. Indy does a good job being objective.
People who love history watch this show. If you love and understand History it is hard to devolve into the crazies' we have nowadays.
@@necromorph1109 agreed.
@@necromorph1109 well sayed
1:45 look at the British soldiers marching on the right of the screen. One plays a prank on a boy by pulling his cap off.
@The Black Prince Holy Shit!! Good eye!!
nice catch
Soldiers... Soldiers never change.
a wonderful moment!
"We shouldn't get involved in Europe's war!"
Imperial Japan: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
we are men of wealth and taste...
@@EvilGNU I've been around for a long, long year
and hitler made a stupid decision of declaring war on the us when the us only declared war on japan
More like,
US: "We shouldn't get involved in Europe's war!"
Also US: "Let's get involved in Japan's war which forces them to "surprise attack" us!"
@@michaelk4896 Good God what a stupid statement. The US forced Japan to surprise attack them?
"Americans though europeans were stuck in one war after another"
Considering how things are now days, that's very ironic.
Irony is American
Yeah since most of the middle east wars and issues were created by European geographic lines they created
@@deprogramm And exacerbated by America's warmongering and nosiness.
Don't be one of those people who willfully ignores fact and history due to some blind loyalty to a set a borders, kinfolk. Be your own man. Think your own thoughts.
even more so if we add in Neocon Jews tho.
AMMMMEERICCA
I'm surprised there was no mention of Henry Ford
Or Charles Lindbergh
Me too, the antisemitic bastard.
lol guess who's funding this channel?
@@lightbox617 Lindberg was mentioned.
Was Henry Ford associated with "America First Committee"? I don't think so. Gerald Ford yes, Henry no.
There is an interesting story about Linberg's visit to Puerto Rico. When Lindbergh flew alone to Puerto Rico on his 26th birthday, on February 4, 1928, he was offered the treat which he liked. Yet he treated everyone with so cold heartedly and with such stubbornness that he was quickly disliked by local leaders and the people. There is a theory that because of his coldharted temperament Puertorricans named a local treat, similar to an Italian ice, but with a tropical fruit twist, limbers in his honor. Now, this is not fact as it hasnt been proven to be true, but it is an interesting story nonetheless.
i have few Puertericans in my family and they give a very different story for the name of the snowcone
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573 it a theory but an interesting and funny one.
I remember my grandma telling me something about that when I was very young after I asked her why they were called "limbers" instead of "mantecados".
Yes, really interesting, like the stories about Hitler being cophrophilic and one-balled. You humans can't even tell propaganda from objective information. Nothing has changed in last 80 years.
Mass society breeds worthless humans.
@@vidura You obviously have a reading impediment, because that entire anecdote was prefaced as a story rather than a fact. But don't let "those" facts get in the way of your feelings.
One has to credit them for dissolving at least.
They infiltrated the Republican party
Simply, sh!t got real. Hitler didn't stop after Sudenterland and US itself suffered at Pearl Harbor. Free Speech is good for pitching ideas but at some point the nation needs to decide on action.
@@issacjohnson6389 Don't you understand? The American ideal is to be immediately pitched out the window the moment there is to be a great big, deadly foreign adventure
@Ron Lewenberg ummm no
@@issacjohnson6389 they werent physically bullied into anything. they could've stuck to their guns. they could've even started a domestic underground saboteur campaign.
Wow. Charles Lindbergh was 'cancelled' before cancelling became a thing.
It seems like it's always been a thing
Cancelling has always been a thing, it just has a name now.
#cancellindbergh
bruh
His views made it justifiable.
In semi-defense of Charles Lindbergh since it wasn't mentioned in this video I think it is important to let people know that once the US was in the war he was fully in support of the US and the Allies winning the war. After the war he also apologized for the things he said regarding race (not for trying to prevent the US from joining the war though). And also said that had he known what was happening to the Jews and other peoples in Europe he would have been for the US joining the war from the start.
Was about to post something to this effect myself, though you worded it better than I probably would have.👍
Trying to save face & keep himself relevant; self-serving IMHO. He did say
If he would have known? How could he not have known? It was being widely reported the horrible things that were going on. I think he tried to backtrack because he was not looked at fondly after giving one of his anti semantic speeches. Libraries stopped carrying his books and some streets that were named after him were renamed. He had just spent a few years over in Europe and received a Nazi aviation medal from one of the most powerful Nazi party leaders, Hermann Goring. He knew what was going on, he looked at the Jews the same as Hitler did. As an inferior race.
"They were to be a non-political organisation"
*concern themselves with global politics*
Uh-huh.
nonpartisan seems a better word
@@yomama9538 Definitely, still funny though and I'd be lying if I didnt laugh at that moment.
@@connorbranscombe6819 now days we term it non partisan but back then they seemed to equate non political to being not advocating for particular political party honestly its very confusing im not surprised there is much debate to what that even means
6:15 this explains why nowadays the only thing Lindbergh is known for is his cross-atlantic flight...because that definitely can't be thrown in the memory hole...
Let's not forget that he was very involved in the war effort, especially in aircraft production. And he even shot down a Zero.
Probsbly killing his baby and getting away with it
While extremely controversial and racist, he was right about tolerance coming through peace and not war. Ask japanese-american citizens how much "tolerance" they received during the war.
@@yaldabaoth2 By blaming Jews for creating intolerance??? That'd one hell of an oxymoron.
You seam to be taking his words at face value. Remember, FACISTS LIE! When they say there a peaceful organization about racial harmony, THEY'RE LIEING!
Lindbergh was a supporter of Nazi Germany. He would say anything to convince Americans that intervention was a bad idea.
@@jamesgardiner6749 The Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia" wasn't an A6M Zero: mechtraveller.com/2018/05/the-civilian-who-shot-down-a-ww2-japanese-war-plane/
It would be interesting to see a program on the Far Left (Communist Party USA, assorted Socialists, etc.) who were in total opposition to US involvement in WW 2. Right up until 22 June 1941, they were protesting against FDR in front of the White House, calling him a warmonger, for attempting to aid Britain. I'm sure all the followers of your excellent series would know the significance of the aforementioned date.
They were six months ahead of most of the country.
@DiscordChaos Trotskyists held to the same line after June 22, 1941 as before, certainly in the USA and Britain. A British MP compared the British ones to "Wee Frees" (fundamentalist Protestants in Scotland) who held to the same line no matter what.
Ofcourse somebody has to bring politics in here
Horseshoe theory
Sounds like far-right and far-left have something in common as they do about Ukraine.
The Ukraine situation is a disaster (mostly for the Ukarainians) cooked up by the NeoCons and the Biden White House. The left cannot abide the current incarnation of Russia for reasons having to do with aspects of the "woke" culture.The NeoCons believed they could create a NATO powerhouse in Ukraine, right on Russia's border! Insane! @@applesandgrapesfordinner4626
My grandfather remembered admiring the early fascists. The German economic miracle from hunger to prosperity almost overnight, and trains running on time in Italy (which is rare today). Mussolini said his fascist goal was to emulate Roosevelt's new deal. Americans erected a monument to Italo Balbo, Italy's No. 2 Fascist, in Chicago. Mussolini actually tried to stop Hitler in 1934 when he sent 4 divisions into the Alps to deter Hitlers first attempt to annex Austria. Mussolini tried to get England and France to join him, but they declined. When Germany conquered France many thought the French deserved it for the invasion of the Ruhr and the humiliation and poverty they had heaped on Germany. At that time, few believed stories of German atrocities because they had heard that before as WWI propaganda, and it wasn't true. Leftists and communists even in England, as Churchill wrote, demanded peace because Stalin and the Communists were backing Hitler at the time. America lost 116000 men in less than 2 years in WWI. Thats 2 Vietnams in 1/5th the time for no gain at all. One didn't have to be a Nazi to think a WWII would be any different. It was the Japanese atrocities in Asia, and the bombing of the Panay (US gunboat bombed by Japanese while trying to rescue Chinese civilians) that inspired the embargo that triggered the war. It turns out the war was necessary and inevitable. But Grandpa didn't know about that on December 6th, 1941.
Hi Thomas, thank you for sharing your grandfathers story. You might find our analysis of the rise of fascism interesting: th-cam.com/video/4DBfKNpE-dc/w-d-xo.html
@callyharley "'Say what you like about Mussolini, he made the trains run on time.'" That was the famous last excuse for Fascism, conveying the idea that while dictatorship might not be very nice, at least it got things done." (From "The Independent") It comes from a perhaps apocryphal story that Mussolini was waiting in the heat with a group of passengers when the train pulls up late with the engineer inebriated. Mussolini reportedly pulled the tardy drunk from the cab and beat him up to the elation of the heat exhausted crowd. By the way, I have also been to Italy where I waited past the scheduled time 2 hours for my train to leave. That's after I stood in the ticket line 45 minutes only to have the window close because the clerk went on break. Then we got to move to a new line. Lovely scenery, though.
@callyharley First, you never met grandpa. Second, he wasn't alone in the depression era thinking something else might work better than the American economic system at the time. You've never known bread lines and food rationing. Third, many people who now "fight" Fascism are waiving the Hammer and Sickle, an emblem that has murdered and enslaved more people than all others combined. Grandpa worked in a war plant while great uncle's job when he was 19 as a Higgins boat pilot at Tarawa was pulling dog tags off of dead marines. They didn't slack when it came to fighting real enemies, the kind that shoot back. So you might want to educate yourself and check your attitude. Your grammar could use improvement, too.
@@WorldWarTwo Thank you for the recommendation. A well researched and informative presentation. It bears strong parallels to China today. 10 years ago, most people in China were friendly, generous, curious. The city streets were filled with luxury cars, every woman, it seemed, had her Coach or LV bag. There were underground clubs with variety shows. One I attended had a transgender burlesque act and scathing comedy skits about those madcap days of the Communist Revolution (very 30's Cabaret). But while 400 million people rose to the upper and middle classes, a billion others were still lagging behind. Some of them believing the government had abandoned the Great Leader's teachings. The last time I was in China, there was no Google, no TH-cam, and cell phones only worked through Chinese government sanctioned carriers. As a foreigner with a visa, I couldn't book a hotel outside the city I was in. Chinese friends got me a room, and I snuck in. Resentment for the West is increasing as is their xenophobia. The Government seems reactionary and is blaming foreigners for bringing any new increases in Covid. The rumors of concentration camps, border disputes with neighbors, and the acceleration of military build up while their economic growth is in decline all sound like a repeat of Germany 1923-1939. Rags to riches to catastrophe.
Read the speaches of Mussolini, look up the number of people he had murdered ,,,before he took power,,by his Black shirts.
“My name is NJF and you are watching America First” 😁
The Lend-Lease turned out to be a huge success for the USA. If the UK had lost howerver...
Well they did put up Newfoundland as security among others.
and an even bigger success to its recipients.
Are you implying the US joined the war to ensure the lease was paid off? Because even though the US won, the leases were never paid off, in fact the US gave the UK billions after the war and forgave its debts, so it could be strong against the USSR. Secondly the Japanese attack the US first, and the Germans declared war in solidarity with Japan their ally.
@@matthewdavid6134 If the US "forgave (the UK) its debts" the how come the UK was still repaying the US (and Canada) up until December 2006?
@rob 998 @Jeffery Crawley The US charged the UK and Soviets 10% of the value of any equipment given, and counted shared technologies from the allies as repayment while not charging them for any shared US technology. Plus the allies also got discounts of several million for allowing US aircraft to land on their bases during the war. So effectively the US got less than a 10th the value of lend lease back and gave the UK other loans as well as stimulus money to help it rebuild. So yes the UK had to pay back SOME lend lease but it was nothing compared to how much they received.
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Didn't Lindy go to the Pacific theater and show US pilots how to extend range by leaning out the engines?
Yes, and he actually flew over 50 combat missions as a civilian consultant. When a newspaper reported what he was doing, the military sent him home.
in New Guinea I believe, and enabled fighter escorts to increase their range and hit
farther targets. a real contribution. cant believe he thought US should become
Hitler's ass bitch. stick to flying, politics aint your thing.
And so America discovers the joys of intervening and a new age is born.
What are you supposed to do when your shores are attacked - Japan made it abundantly clear they wanted all control of the SE. They actually assumed the US would concede after the Pearl attack, because that was the Japanese mentality. This intervening, arose from the ideals of having self-ruling nations, the end of the empires...which is what Britain, France etc didn't understand (was also the cause of) after WWI. You remember the sinking of the Lusitania was the reason the US got involved in the first.
Alex Castell America stayed out of it as long as possible. But everything changed when the Japanese Nation attacked .
Just like WW1 USA decided to profit on this war as much as possible. USA froze Japanese assets in our country because of Japanese aggression in China, USA forces opium crop to be shipped to USA so Axis powers have no meds. USA used blockade to keep Japanese away from rubber and tin in Dutch west Indies. We forced Japanese hand on this. USA shipped military supplies to England in passenger ships in both wars. USA was in an isolation phase at the time Roosevelt knew Japan would strike Pearl Harbor so did the British. We needed to be the victim before we could enter war.
@@TheGoldtopdude Let's also not forget why they attacked in the first place and how the white house knew an attack was imminent 2 weeks before pearl harbor. The U.S. was supplying Japan with 90 % of it's oil consumption, and then cut it off when they were winning too much in the pacific. The Japanese were already engaged in several other wars before they got into it with America, so they absolutely needed that oil, and the reason we shut it off was to induce them to attack us. No standing army on Earth now, or any time in history, would want to attempt to occupy this nation, so attacking pearl harbor was an act of desperation, to try and bring the U.S. to the negotiating table to resume oil exports. However, this doesn't explain in any way why the U.S. should've saved the British from a fight that they began. We should've let Germany decapitate the soviet union, and told the British to negotiate with the Germans because we didn't really have any business besides mediation, in the conflict in Europe . . . unless we're actually still an appendage of Great Britain. . . which is why I will never celebrate the 4th of July ever again.
"And so America discovers the joys of intervening and a new age is born."
TR & Woodrow Wilson: Are we jokes to you?
So this is were Trumo got the name.
Lindbergh's isolationist views were understandable at the time, but not his anti Semitic views. I believe when the Axis powers declared war on the USA, Lindbergh wanted a active duty commission in the Army Air Corp (the Air Force as a separate military branch had not yet been established) . But because he had also criticized President Roosevelt before the war, his initial attempts were rejected. Late in the war I think he did fly combat missions. As a kid, I remember seeing a picture of him next to P-38 in a History book.
Clearly it should be Sealand First
No. Luxembourg first.
@@luxembourgishempire2826 Based
Again my friend, my sniffing nose has located you!
@@luxembourgishempire2826 Liechtenstein first
Elbonia first.
Lindbergh's WWII legacy is complicated. Before the war he actually tried to get the French to strengthen their air force to help prevent war, but the planes would have had German engines, so the deal fell through.During the war He helped solve issues with the F4U and showed pilots how to extend the range of the P-38. My Grandfather Met Lindbergh the day after his solo flight in a newspaper office in Paris, and he shook his hand.
Considering the wrecking ball that was the P-38, I'm willing to forgive Lindberg. Being a bigot ain't great but admitting your wrong and putting your back into the effort to liberate Europe covers a lot of sins
@@sophiam2095 He worked on the Planes in the Pacific Theater.
@@MartinCHorowitz Yeah but the principles of the P-38 worked in both theaters
You have to admire the AFC for dissolving itself after war was joined. They didn't attempt to disrupt the national effort when it was clear they had lost and instead called for unity to win the war that they wish hadn't come to pass. If only others could know when they're beaten and show such dignity in defeat
@@issacjohnson6389 If America didn't intervene I think it's likely that the Soviet Union would have attained total victory across all of Europe, leading to the establishment of communism all the way to the Atlantic coast
Would this be better? I'm not sure... For the individual in western Europe perhaps not - but it would definitely be _very_ different
@@issacjohnson6389 how?
Joshua Evans Better in the modern era, horrible in the 1940’s and 50’s.
@@sergeantmajorgross4461 How would it be better in the modern Era?
You guys need to explain yourselves and not just post vague conjecture.
Ealdy Because Western Europe would act like modern Eastern Europe and not openly celebrate communists in the streets because they don’t know what it was like.
Clyde Pangborn was a real aviation hero; an episode about what he did during the war would be great.
Lindy's speech is a bit ironic. I am sure when he wrote it he thought he was making his point less offensive. If he really wanted to be less offensive, he should had replaced any reference to "Jews" to people in general. The one thing they got right is that Lend- Lease was a de facto declaration of war. The movement was made moot, however, with Pearl Harbor. The US refusal to give into Japanese demands for the lifting of the Embargo would have the equivalent to Lend-Lease. We got into war doing the very thing that AFC advocated.
Interesting enough Lindbergh was the one man credited by the USAAF with extending the range of P-38s and Corsairs in the Pacific to make them really effective. He also shot down at least one Japanese war plane. All of this as a civilian. Betcha did not know that.
I point out that it was a great place to send him to get him busy and isolated. He DID do valuable work there.
It fit his racist views to fight against japanese more so than against germans. It was the one theatre of war where he could be relied upon to get behind the effort.
jokes on you, I did know that 😏
@solidmoni he was not commissioned in any of the services at this time therefore he was a civilian. Not a hard concept to understand.
@@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 except for The Longest Day (Germans) and Westerns (Native Americans and Scotts Irish).
In last year's book:
'Appeasement: Chamberlain, Hitler, Churchill, and the Road to War' 2019 by Tim Bouverie . Bouverie documents Lindbergh's tours in Germany, and his 'report' on German air power. Britain, France and the U.S. were influenced by Lindbergh's 'neutral' report. But Lindbergh inflated the size and modernity of the Luftwaffe by nearly double its real strength. It isn't possible to know for certain whether Lindbergh was duped by Goering, or acting as a conscious agent of the Nazis.
(Warning, I may be confusing this account with that in 'Hitlerland' 2012, by Nagorsky)
The classic:
'Under Cover - My Four Years In The Nazi Underworld Of America' 1943 by 'John Roy Carlson' (Avedis Derounian)
Documents the shockingly open attempts by Nazi agents to influence the U.S. elections of 1936 and 1940.
John Coffin...really, coffin...anyway, didn't Lindberg go to Germany and fly for the Luftwaffe? I seem to remember he did that...
@@marinazagrai1623 No, Lindbergh flew civilian missions for the US during WW2. He did, however, tour Germany several times before WW2, and he wrote about German air power, which is what John Coffin was talking about. Lindbergh also would frequently prevaricate and would not condemn the Nazis as forecefully as other prominent figures at the time would. He was an easily duped figure. Sometimes, brilliant minds are the easiest ones to fool.
Tim Bouverie's book is excellent and I'd recommend it to anyone
Lindbergh was a vocal eugenicist and anticommunist so it wouldn't be surprising that he was willfully 'ignorant" of nazi Germany and supported to cause against the Soviet union
@@marinazagrai1623 He certainly rode in Luftwaffe planes while visiting. But he actually flew around 50 combat mission while serving as a civilian consultant in the Pacific in 1944. He was supposed to be demonstrating fuel conserving techniques for Corsair and P-38 Pilots. He actually participated in strafing and bombing runs, and may have shot down a Japanese plane.
My father told me some stories. He was in the bomb disposal squad during the blitz. His best friend was blown outta a bomb crater, and the blood smashed into my fathers face. He went awol was impisoned for 30 days and later in Italy proved himself at Monte- Casino on the battle field.
While it's true that the majority of the American public was against intervention in 1939 I think that if you look at polls between the fall of France in the Spring of 1940 and the beginning of Barbarossa in the Summer of 1941 you see a definite swing in favor of active American military involvement in the war. Edward R. Murrow's broadcasts from London during the Blitz in late 1940 were particularly effective in swaying American opinion.
That's how propaganda works.
Another great episode!
Wish they posted the historical material
These specials are great, must say the normal episodes feel too much like a history lesson but these extras amd the foxholes stuff are great!!!
I can understand the thought process. Many of us are tired of war and becoming isolationists (based on our multidecade involvement in the middle east), to have felt the effects of world war is unimaginable.
We've seen it play out. To follow it is just ignorance of history. This is the *second* world War, after all.
It might be safe to say the general American public were more worried about their and their family’s day to day existence and not European affairs. Another war in Europe means more American deaths an ocean away and not many people were willing to give up their sons, husbands, etc to a war not coming to American shores, unless provoked. 115,000 plus deaths in Europe in a war 20 years prior America didn’t have to get involved in, people will think a certain way.
callyharley The general public didn’t know exactly what was going on in Europe. The internet didn’t exist, information wasn’t as available as it is in 2020. My Grandparents (both Grandpops served in the war) told me they didn’t know what was going on in Germany till 1945. Evidence of this is how German POW’s were treated with respect in America until 1945 when the first news reels came out about concentration camps which then obviously changed public opinion. POW’s were given only what the Geneva Convention required afterwards. It is rumored that the British government did know what was going on in Germany but didn’t share that information as they didn’t want to start the second front in Western Europe. They didn’t want to or possibly couldn’t take the casualties they took in WW1.
@Horatio Nelson Yep; there was just 20 years between the end of one and beginning of the 2nd. Read somewhere that the German general staff began planning for the next war in 1919.
Europe had been embroiled in constant warfare for centuries and for what reasons? Mostly power and petty wannabe "princes" trying to de-throne someone because THEY wanted to sit on the throne. Absolute craziness and your head had to be on a stick because potential enemies were all around you, often it was your family that wanted to kill you.
Ya think? This race baiting is nonsense.
Isn't it amazing that everyone is just about broke during the Great Depression, but as soon as there is a war on all of a sudden there is unlimited money to spend on the machines of death....So where did all the money come from all of a sudden????
If there is a will there is a way. Britain was broke after WW2 but still set in motion its welfare state system. During Covid the USA started coming up with stimulus cheques - if the alternative is total societal breakdown, they will find the money from somewhere.
Federal Reserve Bank & US Mint
Some things are just worth borrowing money for apparently.
Dude that hos economy is working, war created millions of jobs which created money flow etc. Lend lease was not for free ;)
US was having big industry but depression make it not produce as much as they could but when product was found and in need in super high quantity industry flourish
The simple answer is people with money were very frugal on spending it, so there was relatively little money in circulation. The war effort loosened up the tight grip on money because it was ones patriotic duty to defeat the enemies that attacked the US.
People were reluctant to spend their cash because nobody knew when the economy would recover. It became a vicious cycle.
My dad lived through the Depression years and he still doesn't fully trust banks, but banks are good for getting operating loans year after year.
Charles Lindbergh's name was removed from a water tower in Minnesota. Was he rehabilitated after Pearl Harbor? MSP airport still bears his name.
Although after the war, Charles had affairs with three women in Germany and fathered children with them, who only knew him by an alias. It was only after he and his wife died that his affairs were revealed, because he implored to the women not to reveal anything even after his death.
@@WellBattle6 Yes, Lindbergh was somewhat of a heel.
I guess "cancel culture" is not a new concept.
@@ricardoaguirre6126Damn time traveling liberal with their agenda
@@eesmaaura4961 Conservatives are just as guilty at practicing cancel culture as liberals. It's not a partisan issue.
@6:05,
"Lindbergh falls from grace. Libraries remove his books, streets named after him are even renamed, and his hometown in Minnesota removes his name from the local water-tower."
Wow, lots of angry people sure agitated for name changes back then! I guess it was just a really different time.
Today they would just tear down the water tower
Just a bunch of cancel culture snowflakes.
So much for the tolerant left
dataportdoll when the right is threatening the liberties of the world, we’re a lot less tolerant.
@@Psychonaut316 Man why does MY sarcasm draw all the heat? xD
Excellent content!
I’m going to say it , a broken clock is right twice a day and maybe the American first crowed had a point . Hindsight being twenty , twenty it worked out just fine but yourself in a poor dock worker or farmers shoes . Do you really want to be drafted to fight a war half way across the globe . Do you really want to storm a beach in Normandy? Or ship out to some mosquito infested hellhole island ? The answer is no . It’s unfair to label all the people who wanted to stay out Nazis when all they wanted to do is live in peace .
As an fighting age man, I agree with this.
This is should be obvious, especially with the context of people having family members with missing limbs from WW1 or ones that didn't come home at all.
The strong support for non-intervention was undoubtedly part of the Japanese strategic hypothesis that a crushing defeat of our Navy would bring us to the table for a negotiated settlement. By the time public opinion was shifting in the fall, preparations for the Pearl Harbor attack were underway. But the attack only galvanized our commitment.
The Japanese strategic theory of one crushing defeat was not based on non-interventionism. It was far older than that movement even existing, and was based on liaison officers who had spent time in the US and their opinions of our military forces, and what the Japanese saw as the American national character.
can confirm about streets named "lindbergh" being re-named
a very big road in my home town of st louis is named "lindbergh", until it suddenly turns into "kirkwood" road for no apparent reason
apparently, this was because of lindbergh's association with the nazis. my home town within my home town, kirkwood, a suburb of st louis, was the only st louis town to rename this long road, however. i'm not entirely sure why, but my guess is because of lindbergh's association with st louis. there is a high school still named after him in a neighboring suburb
It was interesting, here in San Diego out airport is named after him. It was brought up when another anti semite who had a prominent history in the wealthy suburb of La Jolla had a beach named after him as well.
But Kirkwood really is a better name for a street
@@derekmarlowe522 sorry you got the wrong guy
I think Lindbergh should be remembered, but not commemorated. It's important to know that Lindbergh is an aviation pioneer, but also a figure with some extremely disgusting aspects
Because WW1 was kinda shitty
My opinion of Lindbergh is mixed
1. He was a brilliant aviator.
2. He did say some very questionable things, but not outright Semitic.
3. He called out the nazis for their actions against jews furiously.
4. When America First became a semi-fascist party he left.
The plot against America is a good read but it put on a negative view of Lindbergh that's not too well-founded.
1:46 funny bit of footage on the right near the middle.
British troops marching, watched by what look like civilians.
One soldier pranks a boy by pulling his cap off.
Oh, this is gonna be a fun one
Oh I love your user name
Every man a king
E V E R Y M A N A K I N G B U T N O N E S H A L L W E A R A C R O W N
Once in New Haven I was eating breakfast in the hotel . There were only two others in the restaurant and part of it seemed to have been roped off. The waitress told me it was Sergeant Shriver although by that time she thought he had been promoted to a Lt. Colonel.
So Lindbergh was cancelled? Outrage culture isn't a new concept. I don't agree with Lindbergh's stances especially the entho centric parts, but it's his 1st amendment right. He wasn't inciting violence. He had an unpopular opinion.
And everyone else had a 1st amendment right to tell him to F off, and to stop naming things after him. It's real simple: if you don't want to suffer the consequences of your racism then stop being a racist.
This stuff isn't hard.
Free speech is great until it encourages and enables millions of people to support and commit senseless state-sanctioned violence.
Racism doesn't have to be banned but it should be shunned and denounced wherever it shows itself.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 Racism against whites is worse
Many Germans didn't want to go to war. (German troops returning from Poland were not met by enthusiastic crowds.)
Mussolini didn't want to go to war: Italy would not be ready for war until 1942 at the earliest. He ridiculed Hitler and opposed Hitler's entry into Austria.
Neither France nor Britain wanted war: they used appeasement to avoid war.
Belgium didn't want to become a battlefield again.
However, Europeans were surprised when the US wasn't interested in fighting another great war in Europe against Germany.
>Mussolini didn't want to go to war.
Also Mussolini: Invades France and British possessions in Africa, and attacks Greece without provocation.
@@turtek12 -- Initially Mussolini didn't want to ally with Hitler. He didn't want to become embroiled in another world war because he knew that Italy didn't have the resources for such a war. He wanted to defeat weaker countries. Joining the Pact of Steel with Germany was a disastrous decision -- it embroiled in the very sort of war that he wanted to avoid.
@@turtek12 And don't forget Ethiopia. Mussolini's goal was to restore the Roman Empire through conquest. So, clearly he "didn't want to go to war." 😉
Mussolini had thousands of quotes revering war as a way to forge a nation, strengthen people to bring the better of patriots. But he didn't want war as (in the same sense) Germans did. For some time Mussolini was ambivalent about Hitler and Hitler wasn't much into Mussolini either. Hitler promised aid to Ethiopia for resisting Italy, but Ethiopia refused because they thought the League of Nations would come to their salvation in case Italy actually attacked. This is one example of many. Mussolini was an expansionist, but his alliance with Hitler was much more a consequence of the distribution of power on Europe and pressure from the UK against a strong Italy who could threat British interests on the Mediterranean and North Africa.
Boy, Roosevelt really wanted to go to war!!!!!
FDR was like minded to Churchill, saw Nazism as evil, an offence against enlightenment. They had similar views on Communism.
High praise for touching on this difficult subject. More would be nice, but it's dangerous turf. The whole idea of the government doing the "right thing", though largely against the will of the governed is a tough one to properly handle, particularly now when there there seems to be a big disconnect between simply correct and politically correct. And no, I'm not saying the government did the wrong thing in any sense, but I could say the precedent is more than slightly frightening. Hope it wasn't all luck (or won't be that we see bad luck going forward). Good job, people, and thanks for your work.
Usa: I'm gonna stay out of this one
Japan: touches us ships
Usa: you want to explode
@Albert D I intended it to be a question but that suits it better
Surely the Japanse won't attack Pearl Harbor right? Surely the Japanese are just doing "normal spying" in Hawaii right?
@callyharley wwii
@callyharley I was not the usa was I was
The USA, according to most European social scientists, has long been substantially less anti-Semitic than the European norm. But that doesn't mean that their weren't creeps in the America First group. The scary fact is that patriotism and bigotry have never been mutually exclusive because few virtues exclude vices. Even the humble can have points of vanity or deadly areas of pride. Even the kindest may have deep pools of cruelty. America First had a good idea, a noble ideal, but at rotten time.
the same thing was said immediately after 9/11. questioning the narrative cost Phil Donahue his job. your either with us or against us, no other opinions allowed.
Yes its all a conspiracy dude, “he was just asking questions”
Iraq 2004 is unjustified and fought for financial reasons.
@@caorusso4926 Or revenge by the Bush's. There wasn't a giant economic incentive in the war for the US, at least not one to meet the cost even if it hadn't continued as long as it did.
@@404Dannyboy no, we fought against iraq so they don't hyperinflate the price of oil like in the 70s. Also for a trade deal that we have with the saudis that wanted to be the biggest power on middle east without opposition
@William Cooper a Little less that the number of orphans that the US bombs created in iraq, much less
Being against the war due to the fact it might lead to the regression of civil liberties and/or central economic planning is...well not at all reminiscent of the 2000's.
Thank you for helping me use history to understand the present.
PS. I guess we are foreshadowing a Lindbergh in WWII episode?
America first. Now where have l heard that recently?
America First is Inevitable
Same
When the time comes will you mention Lindbergh's contribution to training P-38 pilots in the Pacific? He was instrumental in teaching them how to stretch their range. Using that knowledge they were able to shoot down the Betty bomber Admiral Yamamoto was in on an inspection tour.
Yeah, that should be mentioned. Without his help, our Pacific campaign might have taken quite a bit longer and we might have lost a lot more lives (on both sides).
Our government alongside many others does not have morals they only want to one up the competition.
@Elegant Fowl Less than 3000 civilians were killed by the V2 strikes. The dude just wanted to build rockets. If Hitler and Stalin hadn't started the war, von Braun would have been happy building a German space program.
Herra Käärme So “I just want to grill” but with rockets?
@Elegant Fowl Von Braun was not a willing Nazi. He only went along with them to do his rocket research.
Notifications working has intended, nice!
Great episode, although I was disappointed you didn't mention the reaction of when Hitler declared war on the USA on December 11.
So Europe in the 40s was for many American what the Middle East is for many Americans today.
To a simpleminded individual, yes. That is exactly how it is.
Or what US is for many Europeans today.
Not really. In terms of the arguments on the domestic side, yes. In terms of the bigger picture, no.
My bet: there is at least one comment that would cause a storm of useless political 'debate'
Did I just see an ad before the video ... is it possible that YT got smart?
"... Victory"
Once, We Stood United"
As part of the Homefront series could you do a video on Father Coughlin whom most people don't remember. His publication was called Social Justice and he got pretty powerful. Thanks.
Coughlin was an active and staunch supporter of the Nazis, whereas Lindbergh was more of a duped figure.
@@astrobullivant5908 Nah, Lindbergh just seemed to honestly not give a shit about their atrocities, so long as they propped up "Nordic" civilization. Even when he toured Germany and the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in 1945, most of his critiques were about the bad state the war left Germany in (would that the dumb bastard had seen Warsaw at the time!) and the problem of the Soviet Union.
Oh for the days when movie stars were famous for being silent.
Will you guys do a special on FDR?
At some point yes.
Where have I heard that one before?
Thanks.. an important topic. Lindberg and Ford were so prominent then ( and Ford was obviously important to any future war effort) I wonder if their views would be so tolerated now? There were many British who were sympathetic to the Nazis and many who wanted to avoid war in Europe. I think this is little appreciated now. It's one of the reasons I suspect there was way more to the Hess flight than we know. As a separate point of interest.. I wonder if the AFC was infiltrated by Nazis and Facists ? According to Vernona .. the soviets had many sympathizers and agents in the Rosevelt Administration. What did they do. ?
To me it seems like the AFC had some rotten apples but it was an alright organization, also The USSR had agents in the US for as long as it existed and one could argue that there are still some soviet agents in the US government today.
Yes the nazis tried to infiltrate the AFC for political purposes and Soviets used the same tactics on the AFC when they had a pact with Germany. The British also tried to influence public opinion in favor of the US involvement. The US was seen as a major factor if they joined the war and there were many who tried to influence public opinion.
Trying to stay out of wars is never a bad idea.......maybe we should have done that in Vietnam, Iraq, etc.!
It can be a bad idea if it means you'll have to fight a bigger war later on already at a disadvantage. You only need to look at the Allies appeasment policy with Hitler to see how that turned out.
The US wasn’t threatened so we had no reason to join as a colony of the UK in their war
@@neiloflongbeck5705 If Germany hadn't been allowed to rearm in the first place then the war would have been pretty quick. If France and/or the UK had been willing to go to war the moment Germany violated Versailles they would have had a massive advantage in numbers and could have likely steamrolled the Germans before they could get their industry going to complete rearmament. If they had been willing to defend Czechoslovakia the Germans would have to try and get past the Sudatenland forts while fighting a war from the west. You're right appeasment gave the allies time to prepare but it also gave the Germans more time to build up.
@@deprogramm Well technically USA didn't, the Nazis declared war on them as part of the alliance with Japan.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 That's a little off topic but you're probably not wrong. Then again if the allies had been less harsh with the Versailles treaty or had been more harsh and actually partitioned Germany it could have been avoided as well. A lot of what-ifs really.
Well played sir!
Thanks for the Des Moines, IA shout out...though, I wish it were under better circumstances 😂
*Des Moines is one of the cleanest cities I've been to, I'm from California.*
Young Gerald Ford can get it.
UPDATES FOR 1941: On October 5, Charles Lindbergh will speak in an America First rally at Fort Wayne, Indiana. It will be his first public statement since his Des Moines speech on Sept. 11.
Reuben James was sunk by U552 commanded by Kapitaenleutnant Erich Topp who later served as an advisor for Silent Hunter II.
Who is
"Tell me: what were their names/Tell me: what were their names? /Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James?
@@kchishol1970 great song
Who's the character on the back at 6:37?
It's General George Washington in his uniform. This is video of the infamous German American Bund meeting at Madison Square Garden, around early Sept 1939 I believe.
Side note: Because of his pacifist/neutralist leanings, Lindberg resigned his commission in the Army Air Corps Reserves in the mid-thirties. After December 7th, he requested to be reinstated and called to active duty. Due to the publicity he had received during his time with America First, it was felt this would be a propaganda nightmare and his request was refused. Behind the scenes, however, Lindberg was sent to the Pacific theater as a 'civilian consultant', where he used his skills and knowledge to assist American pilots, especially those flying the new P-38 Lightning, in learning how to get the best performance out of their aircraft. "Unofficial" records credit Lindberg with actually shooting down two (some reports say three) Japanese aircraft in different combat engagements while flying a P-38. Was he anti-Semetic? More than likely he was. But try to place his feelings into the context of the time. Many people in those days were anti-Semetic. Many upper class hotels and resorts had 'no Jewish' policies. It was the way things were. I'm not saying it was right; I'm just saying it was how it was in those days. Lindberg was a complicated man and not perfect, (how many of us are?) but I think he did have the best interest of his country at heart. I think he really believed a European war was something to be settled by Europeans without our involvement or the death of American soldiers. Once we were attacked, however, he was ready to fight for his country. What is a 'patriot' if not a man (or woman) who stands for what they truly believe is best for their country?
Another "What if" for WW2. If Lindbergh's fuel-leaning for P-38s had been applied in '43 to the 8th Air Force's bombing campaign in Germany that year, B-17s could have received long-range fighter cover a year earlier; and saved a lot of aircrew.
Someone's technical expertise shouldn't be discounted bc of opinion.
But your leaving out the whole White Supremacy angle mentioned in the clip. Combine that with the anti-Semitism and his close ties to Germany in the 1930s ... and you've got yourself at least half-a-Nazi ... rather a pacifist.
@@paulryan2128 Von Braun was a member of the SS but it didn't stop the USA using him to design rockets.
Yeah, but considering the reactions when he made that speech, shows that he was extreme, even for the time. So product of the time doesn't really work when you whole reputation is destroyed, down to your hometown removing your name from memorials.
How can an organization that attempts to set foreign POLICY be non-political?
Non-partisan. It's a single issue org that tries to welcome anyone who is in agreement on that one issue.
Anyone who tells you they aren't political is full of shit. Just the act of telling you that is political in itself.
Unfortunately Americans think the definition of politics is party allegiance.
Charles Lindbergh, did make a useful contribution to the war effort.
His aeronautical engineering knowledge resulted in retuning P 38 reconnaissance aircraft's engines to significantly increase their range.
Always amazing.
Thanks for watching!
America First? Hmm where have I heard that before?
You know where
Kim Jong-un in the chat?!
It's almost as if it's a dog whistle for something, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I havent the racist idea of what you mean...
@@trauko1388 Racist to 3 people.
"The great irony of this is that, by the time America was ready to take to the skies once more, Charles Lindbergh would no longer be anyone's hero."
-Bill Bryson, One Summer: 1927
Great quote! Bryson is one of my favorite writers. Lindbergh was a racist and as close to a Nazi as there could be in the US at the time. Perhaps people should learn to keep their mouths shut.
For extra context: this was a reflection to the fact that Lindbergh used his fame from the Orteig Prize to rally for public and private investment in the US' aerospace industry, which by the 1920s had fallen far behind Western Europe due to sitting out most of World War I. So he was instrumental in creating the air power in which he had no faith and from which he was subsequently barred.
@@tommonk7651 Who wasn't racist in 1927 or 1940
@@yourstruly4817 I wasn't. I wasn't even born then!
@@yourstruly4817 One thing is to have some racist views, like most people did, other is to be a follower of an ideology based entirely on racism, like Lindbergh.
Very nice.
Until December 7, 1941, the U.S. as far as I can tell, had no more reason to join WW2 than Brazil or Paraguay.
If you haven't already would you and the Time Ghost team be able to do a special episode on the German-American Bunde, their leaders and of any of the members who were of note before and after the war?
Something tells me that it didn't go America's way...
Ah hell here we go...
Intresting.
Comment: #4
Hey Indy and team, nice video as always. May I ask you guys to represent Kurds more in these series? For example in 1941 they played a role in overthrowing the pro Nazi, Iraqi government.
I feel like you guys barely mentioned Kurds in world war 1 and would be very disappointed if you did it here too. Your videos are great, don't get me wrong. I just wished that you guys talked about them from time to time :')
Also there were many Kurds fighting on the allied side, the most 'known' one: Samand Aliyevich Siabandov (lieutenant colonel ). He was awarded: The Lenin Order and the hightest order of Soviets “Hero of the Soviet Union.”
There was also some Kurds in the British army: By 1942, the Iraq Levies consisted of a Headquarters, a Depot, Specialist Assyrian companies, 40 service companies and the 1st Parachute Company, which consisted of 75% Assyrian and 25% Kurd. The new Iraq Levies Disciplinary Code was based largely on the Indian Army Act.
In the British army there were the following Kurdish troops:
39th Kurdish company less one platoon -Habbaniya
27th Kurdish company -Majara
41st Kurdish coy -Karind
33rd Yezidi koy-karind
1 platoon 39th Kurdish coy -Karind
13th Kurdish coy -Nicosia
44th Kurdish coy less one platoon -Nicosia
44th Kurdish coy one platoon - Lakatamia
40th Kurdish coy -Famagusta
30th Kurdish coy - Ras el Ain
8th Kurdish coy -In transit to Habbaniya
It's worth noting that Lindbergh served in the Pacific theatre consulting as a civilian, and even flying a few combat missions.
More than a few, he actually flew over 50 combat missions.
I believe the main reason for isolationism was the aftermath of WW1. A nation of Irish and Germans were forced to fight for the British and the French, on a side they opposed, in a war they wished not to be in. Only to then be left dismayed with the aftermath.
How was a nation of Germans forced to fight alongside the British when Germany as a nation were the aggressor in WW1? I'm confused.
Tulmar The majority of Americans favored neutrality or were supportive of the Central powers. A nation who’s largest ethnicities were German and Irish with a massive Jewish minority did not want to fight for the 3 main powers who’s harassment led to migration (France, UK, and Russia). However the American military industry could primarily only trade to the allies due to the blockades and thous became reliant on an allied victory to be reimbursed for their exports. As a result when the allies were losing, Woodrow Wilson ignored the will of the American people and began to align the nation towards a war time attitude. When Russia dropped out, Wilson declared war, and implemented laws unconstitutionally segregating and persecuting Germans (Americas largest ethnic group) along with other major groups who opposed American involvement. The German Americans never quite recovered from the war and a lot of them felt dazed and disillusioned with the results. The lies of the propaganda simply did not occur, and thousands returned shell shocked or crippled. America was lost in itself after having killed its identity with the war, which led to their isolation up until Pearl Harbor.
Love that tie
I am incredibly surprised the comments and likes:dislikes are so good. This sorta thing tends to become rabid quickly
Hopefully people are thinking instead of “thumbing.” LoL! Isn’t that what the study of history is for after all?
I’d be interested to hear more about the German-American Bund in a future video if possible. Seems pretty interesting how something like that was actually a thing, and I know nothing about it, so any info would be awesome
Just a thought - Google it & there should be something (ie: lots!) there.
Paul Ryan I just like hearing Indy’s voice narrate. Makes any topic more entertaining
@@JustDoinFlorida No doubt! I'm a big Indy fan myself; luv his Energy and Enthusiasm.
Those, who for good reason, choose to leave 'the old world' well behind, & those who feel they can't? - volatile mix . . .
It seems Connected Lindsey knew what he talks about...