As a convert, I absolutely understand. Absolutely. I've distanced myself 20 years ago. However, I kind of miss being blind. I miss being stupid. I miss believing I was special having been abused and neglected growing up. I miss believing God gave me a new name, a new start. It is really really hard to lose all that. Shelf breaker. Big shelf breaker. But I'm comfortable knowing God loves every last one of us. That God only wants us to love one another. That's it. And part of me living others is allowing them to be as blind and stupid as I was. Because they still love God, and they( at the foundation) believe they should be good people and love other people. Even if " others" is a bit exclusive. Because God can take the biggest pile of poo and make it about love in the right hands. But understand that church held my dead children, my children and my loved ones hostage in return for my obedience was a sick realization.
Thank you for your boldness to speak the Truth. Any doctrine that adds anything to the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, is satanic and false.
The Lord Jesus said “ It is finished “ when He died on the Cross. That referred to His Death. The full penalty for sin was accomplished. Of course there is more, but not for Atonement. There’s the Resurrection, the Ascension and His Coming Again. If you want to add anything of your “ good works” to this when you stand before God in judgement, then be ready for a very rude awakening.
@@oldhardshell7235 Okay, but Latter-day Saints don't add anything to that. They believe that men are saved by grace alone. All men will universally be freed form hell, resurrected, and enter heaven regardless of their own works.
@@KnuttyEntertainment since you responded kindly, I’ll do the same for you. I think you may have a poor idea about “Grace alone.” There is a statement in the Book of Mormon that says that “we are saved by Grace AFTER all we can do.” That’s a lot different than by grace alone. The beautiful Truth of “salvation by grace alone,” is the very doctrine that the Roman Catholic Church so vehemently attacked Luther on . They declared that all who believed that were ANATHEMA! Damned to everlasting Hellfire! They even came out with a new “Catechism of The Council of Trent,” to declare it official dogma. But, Luther the great Reformer, did not invent the Truth of salvation by Grace alone, the Holy Spirit declared it in Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-7; Galatians 1:3-9.
@bishopleebaker 2 Nephi 25:23 We are saved by Grace after all we can do. This is correct! Because Jesus Christ can not save us in sin, Unless you Lee Baker make God a liar. Did he not say "No unclean thing can enter the kingdom of God"? Jesus Christ's atonement or grace Saves us "from sin, not in sin" Take away "after all we can do" is like saving us in sin. Christ redeemed us from sin and not in sin! The LDS church did not stop after faith, there is repentance, baptism, Be ye therefore perfect, if you love me keep my commandments, obeying all the commandments of God and (not the law of Moses like Circumcision and all else we "boast".
This is what I tell every Mormon missionary I talk with -- on my front porch: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; New American Standard Bible: 1995 update (2 Jn 10). (1995). The Lockman Foundation.
You think Lee Baker's version of "Christianity" is true? So he thinks Christ created Catholicism, Baptist, Amish, Lutheran, Methodist, etc., that all have different teachings? So Christ, according to Lee Baker, teaches opposing teachings that confuse mankind? Lee Baker is lying to you!
There are different branches of lds and they have different teachings, i.e. FLDS. Read and study lds history. Different denominations aren't confused, they just have different beliefs that aren't that important. What is important is believing in the one true God and being saved by grace only, by faith in Jesus Christ, not the brother of Satan.
@@tucuxi70 Lucifer was an angel created by God, Jesus always was, like God, and was not created by God. You learn from the Bible not ridiculous lds fantasy. Opposing beliefs don't mean confusion. God didn't intend for us to be able to tie everything in a neat little package with a pretty bow. You miss the big picture of belief in Jesus Christ, saved by grace.
Wow, 8 words were missing??? Alma 29: 4 I ought not to harrow up in my desires the firm decree of a just God, for I know that he granteth unto men according to their desire, whether it be unto death or unto life; yea, I know that he allotteth unto men, (((yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable))), according to their wills, whether they be unto salvation or unto destruction. It is here, Bishop. It was always here! 8 words!
Lee Baker says the temple cannot be found in the Book of Mormon. Lee Baker does not read well. It can be found in 2 Nephi 5 and also in Mosiah 2 in the Book of Mormon. Lee Baker lied!
Lee Baker says the Book of Mormon does NOT mention garments. Lee Baker for the third time, does not read well. Garments are mentioned in 1 Nephi 12, Alma 5 and Alma 7. Lee Baker lied!
We dont add to the bible as there were years between each book and when reverlations say at the end of that book it is meaning Dont add anything to the book of reverlations Heavenly Father loves us so much that He hasnt stopped coversing with us like through the prophets in the bible especially now there is more bad temptations we need a prophet to guide us
No, you need Jesus to guide you. The Jesus of the one and only Bible, nothing added or restored. You have been lied to about so many things, including Revelation, not revelations.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxThe Book of Revelations was written before other books in the Bible. Dueteronomy also says don't add, so all other books after Deuteronomy are false to you? Learn the real meaning. God has not stopped revealing things to mankind!
@@tucuxi70 You need to do some checking into the dates because you are misinformed. The book of Revelation not Revelations was written 95-96AD, Galatians (for instance) near 50AD. God may reveal things today but certainly not to Joseph Smith.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxYou need to study better. The 2 Witnesses talked about in Revelations 11 that will be killed in the last days are Joseph and Hyrum Smith.
Would love to have a conversation. The rejection of Messiah by the nation of Israel was predicted in the Old Testament in multiple places. Moses said they would understand in the latter days. Look at the life of Joseph. Rejected by his brothers, raised to leading the gentile world, appeared to be a gentile to his brothers, brothers came to recognize Joseph during a 7 year time of trouble (Jacob's trouble). The grande finale is coming and it is all in the Tenakh.
@bishopleebaker Could you please provide the complete text on screen for all to examine instead of using a strawman argument, Bishop? I'm curious if Joseph Smith was genuinely boasting or just being honest. In John chapter 6, even Jesus' five thousand disciples deserted Him after He fed them. This is similar to Paul's people. Forgetting the great apostasy? "After his friends apostatized in Nauvoo, Joseph was grateful that the faithful saints stayed with him and never left him, yet. He also had his clerks record everything for him so that he could not be convicted in court." "The Lord has constituted me so curiously that I glory in persecution. I am not nearly so humble as if I were not persecuted." from the lines that You took offense of. To me and many other faithful LDS, this is not boasting! So now you know! To your credit, many will leave the church, yet many will gather to the LDS church. "No unhallowed hands can stop the church from progressing"
You obviously know half the story! The part that the church presents as faith promoting. What you don’t want to see is that Joseph Smith the one you idolize and adore was a manipulative con man. He not only conned people into his rock in the hat story.. but also the teenage girls he seduced into marriage and married women as well! The facts are there but only IF you can see what’s uncomfortable to look at!
“I have more to boast of, than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. … Neither Paul, John, Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet’ (“History of the Church,” 6:408-409).
"@Yeshuawins, we should show mercy to Joseph Smith considering what transpired before he began boasting. It may have been understandable for Joseph to boast after everything that happened. Or perhaps he has nothing to boast about after all. You left the faith yourself, as did Baker."
Love your heart, love your truth. I am not LDS , i try so hard to understand their beliefs and I get confused by what they try to tell me. It's obvious we are different in beliefs. I am Catholic. I love God with all my heart. I I believe in the Bible 100 percent. Sorry to say I feel Joseph Smith is a false prophet. I guess I am searching for understand. Currious what does God think of all of this. Is the Mormon church changing. Some don't even know about becoming God's or what that means. Isn't that how Satan got in trouble. He wanted to become a God. Some say God is the only God, Some say God got to where he is by being from another God. Wow how can they say they are Christians if the believe that. Christians don't belive that. So please explain what all Mormons really belives?
@@tucuxi70 A true prophet doesn't prophesy false prophesies. Check out all the ones that were wrong. You people refuse to accept proof because it frightens you. All you need is the Bible with prophets that didn't make false prophesies.
Lee Baker claims the Priesthood is not mentioned in the Book of Mormon. He again cannot read well. Alma Chapter 4 and Alma Chapter 13 both talk about the Priesthood! Lee Baker lied!
Given your uncle is a Freemason, your family might be cursed. That is what the cut throat and disemboweling movements are all about, not just the individual, but also their family. The Catholic Church can help with that also.
Helen Mar Kimball a 14 year old girl was told by Joseph Smith that if she married him that her salvation would be guaranteed along with her families.. now keep in mind that this was someone that she grew up believing was a prophet of God and that she believed everything he said, and so can you imagine the feelings that she had knowing this and that her salvation and her families were only guaranteed or would be guaranteed by her marriage to this man she went on to say that had she known it was anything more than just a ceremony she would never have agreed! Those are her words so this is just one of his manipulations.
He also married young women he brought into his home as foster daughters and all of these marriages were done behind Emma’s back. Does that sound like a man who’s character is worth following or who is someone you could believe in
When you are in a house and it is on fire do you tell the others it is on fire? Or do you just let them 🔥! The church lied to its members and they have betrayed us! That’s the whole reason for this!
Because you were a bishop if you were makes no difference non of us are perfect we all have weaknesses and strengths you lost your faith and there is no way young Joseph Smith could have made up and written the book of mormon himself watch the come back church podcasts and i pray you will converse with Heavenly Father and recieve the Holy spirit to guide you back
He didn't lose his faith. He found grace given by the one and only Jesus Christ, which is all that is needed. Not works or ordinances or tithes, just faith in Jesus Christ. But you are correct that JS couldn't write it by himself. He had help from other stories he had heard and read. He was not uneducated, formally educated no but he was well taught and well read and developed a vivid imagination. Search your own lds history.
You lied again, Bishop Lee. The LDS believes in Mosiah 15: 1-4 with all my heart. Do you forget the doctrine of Divine Investiture? Let me ask you Who was Jesus in the Old Testament? It was Jehovah. Who was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses? His name was Jehovah. Who was the Everlasting Father that Isaiah referred to in Isaiah 9:6?Jehovah. Who covenanted with Abraham? By Devine Investiture it was Jehovah. Hence Mosiah 15:1-4. You were asking what I love about the Book of Mormon? It is in Mosiah 5:7. Jesus Christ became my father by begotten me spiritually. You said no Temples in the Book of Mormon? You are wrong. or do you just want to deny it? Even polygamy is untaught in the Book you used to love!
@bishopleebaker 40 wives??? So Emma did not know about it??? Unless you make now, Emma a fool. I mean if it was sexual how could these be kept from a good wife like Emma? You really sound not only unconvincing but rather manipulating Bishop! IT WAS NEVER SEXUAL, PERIOD! At least with Joseph Smith! My fellow saints "let us not lose faith in things we know because of few things we do not know" Let us focus on the glorious fruits of the restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We have tasted its fruit and it was delicious, so the roots must be good don't believe Bishop Lee that we are of the split-off Church he was lying. I meant does he honestly believe that!
You started out as Catholic? Strongly suggest you take a good RCIA class and get yourself back into the one and only Church established by Jesus Christ. The universal (pronounced Catholic in Greek) Church of the living God which is the pillar and bulwark of truth.
So Lee Baker admits he drinks alcohol and yet claims he loves the Lord. The Lord warns against alcohol and being a drunk. Lee Baker admits he is a recovering alcoholic. Lee is LOST!
I wish the best for you... but it has been nearly 15 years since I have seen or heard from someone as lost as you. Ask your Stake President if the Essays are not doctrine. Blessings to you, and I pray that you do not lead a Family.
@@bishopleebaker7003Lee, they are not doctrine. You don't study well. Learn about Law of Adoption sealings that are NOT marriages. Joseph was not a polygamist. Also, priestood, temples and garments ARE in the Book of Mormon, so you lie! Wise up!
@@bishopleebaker7003Oh and as far as you believing you are Christian, weird because Catholics killed Christians and burned Bibles to control others. Amish, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, etc. came from Catholicism. They got tired of being controlled by the Catholic church and created more false churches. Wise up!
@@bishopleebaker7003You lie Lee. Why do you say the Book of Mormon does not teach things that I have shown it does? Why have you not studied Law of Adoption sealings between Priesthood leaders and members in Joseph Smith's day? Why are Africans using white women pictures as their profile pic on Facebook to deceive and get money, yet you say they are more honest? You lie Lee Baker!
You only have to tell 99% truths to be convincing. but it is still a lie. There were various accounts of the first vision. But Joseph was narrating these to different audiences. It is understandable for him to withhold details from each audience including enemies of the church, friends, and families "You can't cast pearls to the swine" But he never denied in all accounts to have seen God the Father and His son Jesus Christ. You should tell this to your followers, Bishop!
Joseph Smith has indeed been granted more success than Jesus Christ (,in some ways) because Jesus came to be rejected of men, to be crucified and to die. That was the mission of the Savior in the meridian of time. It was not time for Jesus to rule and reign in glory. This is why the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and still do. Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was blessed to usher in the last dispensation and the beginning of the Lord's glorious return. This is a mission which must not and can not fail. It will end gloriously. Read Joseph's entire quotation. It doesn't say what is being quoted (history of the Church volume 6 pages 408-9. Joseph only says that all the followers of Jesus ran away when He was led away. Joseph boasts about keeping the Church together in spite of persecutions etc. His words are echoed in D&C 135:3 "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it." (Beginning of the official eulogy of Joseph Smith Jr.)
You lied again, Bishop. Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Jehovah taught that we are gods. Lucifer never wanted us to become gods he wanted "all glory" for himself or maybe you forgot it! Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Paul and Jesus taught that.
Joseph Smith was NOT a polygamist. Sealings in the early church were not all marriages. Priesthood leaders were sealed to members in the early church. Today it is not so. Wilford Woodruff changed sealings to what they are today. Lee Baker is ignorant!
@@RobinSteward-ud5enYou lie. Joseph was married to no one else. Show me any marriage certificate other than Emma. There isn't one. Sealings were members getting sealed to Priesthood leaders in the Early church. Study better!
The LDS church teaches against the use of alcohol. Lee Baker used alcohol and admits it. So you believe a man that has ignored truth and damages his liver with alcohol?
@@tucuxi70 I find you to be quite condescending when you are the one that needs to learn. Wine and grape juice are two different things. If they weren't drinking to drunkenness it wouldn't have to be brought up. Don't be afraid to venture out of that box they want to keep you locked in. Knowledge doesn't cause any harm.
As a convert, I absolutely understand. Absolutely. I've distanced myself 20 years ago.
However, I kind of miss being blind. I miss being stupid. I miss believing I was special having been abused and neglected growing up. I miss believing God gave me a new name, a new start.
It is really really hard to lose all that. Shelf breaker. Big shelf breaker. But I'm comfortable knowing God loves every last one of us. That God only wants us to love one another. That's it.
And part of me living others is allowing them to be as blind and stupid as I was. Because they still love God, and they( at the foundation) believe they should be good people and love other people.
Even if " others" is a bit exclusive.
Because God can take the biggest pile of poo and make it about love in the right hands.
But understand that church held my dead children, my children and my loved ones hostage in return for my obedience was a sick realization.
Kathy and I understand and feel the same way... we wish you all the best.
Im an exmormon missionary and now a Christian. So thankfull you left this false cult !!!
Thank you for your boldness to speak the Truth. Any doctrine that adds anything to the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, is satanic and false.
Ok then there should be no New Testament
The Lords work was notzzz finished. Only the atonement was. The New Testament prophesies of prophets in the last days. You are misled!
The Lord Jesus said “ It is finished “ when He died on the Cross. That referred to His Death. The full penalty for sin was accomplished. Of course there is more, but not for Atonement. There’s the Resurrection, the Ascension and His Coming Again.
If you want to add anything of your “ good works” to this when you stand before God in judgement, then be ready for a very rude awakening.
@@oldhardshell7235 Okay, but Latter-day Saints don't add anything to that. They believe that men are saved by grace alone. All men will universally be freed form hell, resurrected, and enter heaven regardless of their own works.
@@KnuttyEntertainment since you responded kindly, I’ll do the same for you. I think you may have a poor idea about “Grace alone.” There is a statement in the Book of Mormon that says that “we are saved by Grace AFTER all we can do.” That’s a lot different than by grace alone. The beautiful Truth of “salvation by grace alone,” is the very doctrine that the Roman Catholic Church so vehemently attacked Luther on . They declared that all who believed that were ANATHEMA! Damned to everlasting Hellfire! They even came out with a new “Catechism of The Council of Trent,” to declare it official dogma. But, Luther the great Reformer, did not invent the Truth of salvation by Grace alone, the Holy Spirit declared it in Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-7; Galatians 1:3-9.
@bishopleebaker 2 Nephi 25:23 We are saved by Grace after all we can do. This is correct! Because Jesus Christ can not save us in sin, Unless you Lee Baker make God a liar. Did he not say "No unclean thing can enter the kingdom of God"? Jesus Christ's atonement or grace Saves us "from sin, not in sin" Take away "after all we can do" is like saving us in sin. Christ redeemed us from sin and not in sin! The LDS church did not stop after faith, there is repentance, baptism, Be ye therefore perfect, if you love me keep my commandments, obeying all the commandments of God and (not the law of Moses like Circumcision and all else we "boast".
This is what I tell every Mormon missionary I talk with -- on my front porch:
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
New American Standard Bible: 1995 update (2 Jn 10). (1995). The Lockman Foundation.
New American Standard? You mean another mistranslated version of the Bible?
@@tucuxi70 Not hard to spot a Mormon troll...
@@tjotwo Not hard to spot someone believing lies of Lee Baker and other devils. There is no Mormon church. That is not it's real name.
You think Lee Baker's version of "Christianity" is true? So he thinks Christ created Catholicism, Baptist, Amish, Lutheran, Methodist, etc., that all have different teachings? So Christ, according to Lee Baker, teaches opposing teachings that confuse mankind? Lee Baker is lying to you!
There are different branches of lds and they have different teachings, i.e. FLDS. Read and study lds history. Different denominations aren't confused, they just have different beliefs that aren't that important. What is important is believing in the one true God and being saved by grace only, by faith in Jesus Christ, not the brother of Satan.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxThose "branches" as you call them are frauds and not really LDS. So you are mistaken!
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxSatan is fallen, but once was a valiant spirit. Learn!
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxWrong, confusion and opposing teachings DO MATTER! God is NOT a God of confusion. Learn!
@@tucuxi70 Lucifer was an angel created by God, Jesus always was, like God, and was not created by God. You learn from the Bible not ridiculous lds fantasy. Opposing beliefs don't mean confusion. God didn't intend for us to be able to tie everything in a neat little package with a pretty bow. You miss the big picture of belief in Jesus Christ, saved by grace.
Wow, 8 words were missing??? Alma 29: 4 I ought not to harrow up in my desires the firm decree of a just God, for I know that he granteth unto men according to their desire, whether it be unto death or unto life; yea, I know that he allotteth unto men, (((yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable))), according to their wills, whether they be unto salvation or unto destruction. It is here, Bishop. It was always here! 8 words!
Lee Baker says the temple cannot be found in the Book of Mormon. Lee Baker does not read well. It can be found in 2 Nephi 5 and also in Mosiah 2 in the Book of Mormon. Lee Baker lied!
Not the temple that the church portrays! That ceremony comes from Masonic rituals
Lee Baker says the Book of Mormon does NOT mention garments. Lee Baker for the third time, does not read well. Garments are mentioned in 1 Nephi 12, Alma 5 and Alma 7. Lee Baker lied!
We dont add to the bible as there were years between each book and when reverlations say at the end of that book it is meaning Dont add anything to the book of reverlations Heavenly Father loves us so much that He hasnt stopped coversing with us like through the prophets in the bible especially now there is more bad temptations we need a prophet to guide us
No, you need Jesus to guide you. The Jesus of the one and only Bible, nothing added or restored. You have been lied to about so many things, including Revelation, not revelations.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxThe Book of Revelations was written before other books in the Bible. Dueteronomy also says don't add, so all other books after Deuteronomy are false to you? Learn the real meaning. God has not stopped revealing things to mankind!
@@tucuxi70 You need to do some checking into the dates because you are misinformed. The book of Revelation not Revelations was written 95-96AD, Galatians (for instance) near 50AD. God may reveal things today but certainly not to Joseph Smith.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxYou need to study better. The 2 Witnesses talked about in Revelations 11 that will be killed in the last days are Joseph and Hyrum Smith.
@@tucuxi70 LOL. What does that have to do with the price of tea?
Would love to have a conversation. The rejection of Messiah by the nation of Israel was predicted in the Old Testament in multiple places. Moses said they would understand in the latter days. Look at the life of Joseph. Rejected by his brothers, raised to leading the gentile world, appeared to be a gentile to his brothers, brothers came to recognize Joseph during a 7 year time of trouble (Jacob's trouble). The grande finale is coming and it is all in the Tenakh.
@bishopleebaker Could you please provide the complete text on screen for all to examine instead of using a strawman argument, Bishop? I'm curious if Joseph Smith was genuinely boasting or just being honest. In John chapter 6, even Jesus' five thousand disciples deserted Him after He fed them. This is similar to Paul's people. Forgetting the great apostasy? "After his friends apostatized in Nauvoo, Joseph was grateful that the faithful saints stayed with him and never left him, yet. He also had his clerks record everything for him so that he could not be convicted in court."
"The Lord has constituted me so curiously that I glory in persecution. I am not nearly so humble as if I were not persecuted." from the lines that You took offense of. To me and many other faithful LDS, this is not boasting! So now you know! To your credit, many will leave the church, yet many will gather to the LDS church. "No unhallowed hands can stop the church from progressing"
You obviously know half the story! The part that the church presents as faith promoting. What you don’t want to see is that Joseph Smith the one you idolize and adore was a manipulative con man. He not only conned people into his rock in the hat story.. but also the teenage girls he seduced into marriage and married women as well! The facts are there but only IF you can see what’s uncomfortable to look at!
“I have more to boast of, than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. … Neither Paul, John, Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet’ (“History of the Church,” 6:408-409).
"@Yeshuawins, we should show mercy to Joseph Smith considering what transpired before he began boasting. It may have been understandable for Joseph to boast after everything that happened. Or perhaps he has nothing to boast about after all. You left the faith yourself, as did Baker."
Love your heart, love your truth. I am not LDS , i try so hard to understand their beliefs and I get confused by what they try to tell me. It's obvious we are different in beliefs. I am Catholic. I love God with all my heart. I I believe in the Bible 100 percent. Sorry to say I feel Joseph Smith is a false prophet. I guess I am searching for understand. Currious what does God think of all of this. Is the Mormon church changing. Some don't even know about becoming God's or what that means. Isn't that how Satan got in trouble. He wanted to become a God. Some say God is the only God, Some say God got to where he is by being from another God. Wow how can they say they are Christians if the believe that. Christians don't belive that. So please explain what all Mormons really belives?
Never be sorry for calling out a false prophet.
Thank you
How can you believe the Catholic church when they murdered people and burned Bibles. Study Catholic history!
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx Joseph was a true prophet. You just believe lies!
@@tucuxi70 A true prophet doesn't prophesy false prophesies. Check out all the ones that were wrong. You people refuse to accept proof because it frightens you. All you need is the Bible with prophets that didn't make false prophesies.
Lee Baker claims the Priesthood is not mentioned in the Book of Mormon. He again cannot read well. Alma Chapter 4 and Alma Chapter 13 both talk about the Priesthood! Lee Baker lied!
Given your uncle is a Freemason, your family might be cursed. That is what the cut throat and disemboweling movements are all about, not just the individual, but also their family. The Catholic Church can help with that also.
Sealings happened between Priesthood leaders and members. These were not marriages. Lee Baker is confused!
Helen Mar Kimball a 14 year old girl was told by Joseph Smith that if she married him that her salvation would be guaranteed along with her families.. now keep in mind that this was someone that she grew up believing was a prophet of God and that she believed everything he said, and so can you imagine the feelings that she had knowing this and that her salvation and her families were only guaranteed or would be guaranteed by her marriage to this man she went on to say that had she known it was anything more than just a ceremony she would never have agreed! Those are her words so this is just one of his manipulations.
He also married young women he brought into his home as foster daughters and all of these marriages were done behind Emma’s back. Does that sound like a man who’s character is worth following or who is someone you could believe in
@@Cocoon68Nope you believe rumorville. Learn the difference!
@@Cocoon68Nope, you believe rumors and books about rumors!
@@Cocoon68 Learn about Law of Adoption sealings. They were not marriages. You believe lies!
Oh, you read the Bible. Temple Ordinances were not taught in the Bible? It was taught in EXOUS in the Gospel of Luke and in Acts. Read again, Bishop.
When you have to attack and tear down another's faith instead of sharing what you have, then your faith is on a sandy foundation.
When you are in a house and it is on fire do you tell the others it is on fire? Or do you just let them 🔥! The church lied to its members and they have betrayed us! That’s the whole reason for this!
@@Cocoon68No, you believe myths from liars!
@@Cocoon68 obviously you do not understand equivalent examples.
Because you were a bishop if you were makes no difference non of us are perfect we all have weaknesses and strengths you lost your faith and there is no way young Joseph Smith could have made up and written the book of mormon himself watch the come back church podcasts and i pray you will converse with Heavenly Father and recieve the Holy spirit to guide you back
He didn't lose his faith. He found grace given by the one and only Jesus Christ, which is all that is needed. Not works or ordinances or tithes, just faith in Jesus Christ. But you are correct that JS couldn't write it by himself. He had help from other stories he had heard and read. He was not uneducated, formally educated no but he was well taught and well read and developed a vivid imagination. Search your own lds history.
You lied again, Bishop Lee. The LDS believes in Mosiah 15: 1-4 with all my heart. Do you forget the doctrine of Divine Investiture? Let me ask you Who was Jesus in the Old Testament? It was Jehovah. Who was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses? His name was Jehovah. Who was the Everlasting Father that Isaiah referred to in Isaiah 9:6?Jehovah. Who covenanted with Abraham? By Devine Investiture it was Jehovah. Hence Mosiah 15:1-4. You were asking what I love about the Book of Mormon? It is in Mosiah 5:7. Jesus Christ became my father by begotten me spiritually. You said no Temples in the Book of Mormon? You are wrong. or do you just want to deny it? Even polygamy is untaught in the Book you used to love!
Lee Baker makes the mistake of believing that the laws of the land are higher than God's laws. They are NOT! God's are higher and men make bad laws!
How come you have a suit white shirt and tie on i think you are pretending to be an exmormon bishop
He does it to prove that he was once an LDS bishop. He carries his documents and wears the name tag as well.
Why would he have to pretend?
This kinda reminds me of the Pharisees in "The Chosen"
@bishopleebaker 40 wives??? So Emma did not know about it??? Unless you make now, Emma a fool. I mean if it was sexual how could these be kept from a good wife like Emma? You really sound not only unconvincing but rather manipulating Bishop! IT WAS NEVER SEXUAL, PERIOD! At least with Joseph Smith! My fellow saints "let us not lose faith in things we know because of few things we do not know" Let us focus on the glorious fruits of the restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We have tasted its fruit and it was delicious, so the roots must be good don't believe Bishop Lee that we are of the split-off Church he was lying. I meant does he honestly believe that!
You started out as Catholic? Strongly suggest you take a good RCIA class and get yourself back into the one and only Church established by Jesus Christ. The universal (pronounced Catholic in Greek) Church of the living God which is the pillar and bulwark of truth.
Catholics murdered Christians. That is not Christ's church! They also burned Bibles. Study better!
So Lee Baker admits he drinks alcohol and yet claims he loves the Lord. The Lord warns against alcohol and being a drunk. Lee Baker admits he is a recovering alcoholic. Lee is LOST!
The essays are NOT doctrine and historians made errors in them. Lee Baker does not understand that!
I wish the best for you... but it has been nearly 15 years since I have seen or heard from someone as lost as you. Ask your Stake President if the Essays are not doctrine. Blessings to you, and I pray that you do not lead a Family.
@@bishopleebaker7003Lee, they are not doctrine. You don't study well. Learn about Law of Adoption sealings that are NOT marriages. Joseph was not a polygamist. Also, priestood, temples and garments ARE in the Book of Mormon, so you lie! Wise up!
@@bishopleebaker7003Oh and as far as you believing you are Christian, weird because Catholics killed Christians and burned Bibles to control others. Amish, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, etc. came from Catholicism. They got tired of being controlled by the Catholic church and created more false churches. Wise up!
@@bishopleebaker7003Also, Popes don't marry nor do Catholic priests, yet Peter was married! Wise up!
@@bishopleebaker7003You lie Lee. Why do you say the Book of Mormon does not teach things that I have shown it does? Why have you not studied Law of Adoption sealings between Priesthood leaders and members in Joseph Smith's day? Why are Africans using white women pictures as their profile pic on Facebook to deceive and get money, yet you say they are more honest? You lie Lee Baker!
You only have to tell 99% truths to be convincing. but it is still a lie. There were various accounts of the first vision. But Joseph was narrating these to different audiences. It is understandable for him to withhold details from each audience including enemies of the church, friends, and families "You can't cast pearls to the swine" But he never denied in all accounts to have seen God the Father and His son Jesus Christ. You should tell this to your followers, Bishop!
Lee Baker lies all the time!
What is your proof?
Prove it once and he’ll give you $10,000. Obviously, you have no proof and stoop to ad hominem attacks..
Joseph Smith has indeed been granted more success than Jesus Christ (,in some ways) because Jesus came to be rejected of men, to be crucified and to die. That was the mission of the Savior in the meridian of time. It was not time for Jesus to rule and reign in glory. This is why the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and still do.
Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was blessed to usher in the last dispensation and the beginning of the Lord's glorious return. This is a mission which must not and can not fail. It will end gloriously.
Read Joseph's entire quotation. It doesn't say what is being quoted (history of the Church volume 6 pages 408-9.
Joseph only says that all the followers of Jesus ran away when He was led away. Joseph boasts about keeping the Church together in spite of persecutions etc.
His words are echoed in D&C 135:3
"Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."
(Beginning of the official eulogy of Joseph Smith Jr.)
You lied again, Bishop. Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Jehovah taught that we are gods. Lucifer never wanted us to become gods he wanted "all glory" for himself or maybe you forgot it!
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Paul and Jesus taught that.
Not true! The Salt Lake church is NOT the break off. Lee lies!
Joseph Smith was NOT a polygamist. Sealings in the early church were not all marriages. Priesthood leaders were sealed to members in the early church. Today it is not so. Wilford Woodruff changed sealings to what they are today. Lee Baker is ignorant!
Joseph Smith was definitely a polygamist. He had over 30 wives and Brigham Young had them sign declarations confirming it😂
Does your Bishop know you're watching this?
You believe church lies.
@@RobinSteward-ud5enYou lie. Joseph was married to no one else. Show me any marriage certificate other than Emma. There isn't one. Sealings were members getting sealed to Priesthood leaders in the Early church. Study better!
@@sacredgriftsHe wouldn't care. In fact neither would my Stake President. I make up my own mind and I know the church is true! Wise up!
The LDS church teaches against the use of alcohol. Lee Baker used alcohol and admits it. So you believe a man that has ignored truth and damages his liver with alcohol?
You believe in a man who didn't just drink alcohol but turned water into wine in order to drink it.
Jesus used alcohol, but then, you don't know the true Jesus Christ. Paul recommended wine. Study the Bible and learn the truth.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxWrong. There are two types of wine in Biblical times. One is grape juice, the other is rotten. Learn!
@@tucuxi70 I find you to be quite condescending when you are the one that needs to learn. Wine and grape juice are two different things. If they weren't drinking to drunkenness it wouldn't have to be brought up. Don't be afraid to venture out of that box they want to keep you locked in. Knowledge doesn't cause any harm.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vxNope, study better. Two types of wine. You don't study well.