@@Anthonycheesman33I agree with that for sure, Super took where Vegeta was at right after the Buu Saga and have steadily progressed him toward the EOZ Vegeta we know he'll be.
A big problem with modern dragon ball is that a lot of characters have nowhere to go anywhere so they just keep going through the same arcs over and over again. This is the most apparent with Vegeta and Gohan, but even Goku just keeps regressing as a character for the sake of making him learn new things. This is why I never liked the Roshi speech for example, and the fact that Roshi is even there to begin with, a retired character who hasn't been relevant in any way since the end of the Piccolo arc. The series should focus on the lesser developed characters such as the kids but that would require them to give a backseat to the main 3 so that's not going to happen. The whole thing just feels like a soulless cashcrab.
giving Toyotaro the keys may have been the worst thing to happen to DB since Evolution. but, Toriyama’s ideas haven’t been much better. I guess DB is just gonna be mostly trashwater from now on.
The thing is, Toriyama doesn't know where to take it either. He simply doesn't take Super seriously and it's all just a side adventure to him pretty much. That's honestly fine-he doesn't have an obligation to force himself to make more content. The problem is, DBS cannot go anywhere because it's anchored to him, and that needs to change after 10 years of almost no long-term progression in the series. Everyone else has their good and dogwater qualities, whether it's Toyotaro, Toei, the Dragon Ball Room, etc. There's no "best" alternative here honestly, but at least the other 3 groups could take the series somewhere. Well, maybe not the Dragon Ball room-they'd probably milk it even harder.
@@purerage7963 honestly cell max (toriyamas idea) was an unforgivable fumble. he should be made a consultant, not on lead story. or at least someone needs to check him on his dumb ass ideas
@@purerage7963 Dragon Ball room depends as GT has some really good follow ups on concepts from Z with Baby Saga and Shadow Dragon with return of Ape form while having smaller budget and really bizarre abomination that is Super 17 Saga.
I think this is something that is unique to American Dragon ball fans, you see Vegeta is only popular in America, whereas Goku is extremely popular in Japan and Asia in general and also in Latin America. Idk much about Europe. So its only logical that Toyotaro has more fun with Goku than Vegeta, since Japanese people in general can't or hardly relate to Vegeta. Toriyama tried to pass the Torch to Gohan on the Cell saga and clearly the Japanese / Asia / Latin American audience didn't really appreciate it, they want more Goku, so focusing too much on Trunks and Goten probably is not gonna be a main target for Toriyama and Toyotaro.
I'm gonna be completely honest here....I don't think a single person on the planet gives a flying fuck what Toyotaro's opinions are on the series. Even if you're the biggest fanboy of his...why would they care what "his favorite color manga is", etc? I know people are saying this interview is just a nothing-burger, but I disagree. It's even worse. We get fed sleep for dinner.
Well you dont have to watch it, wtf are you complaining about? Toyotaro is not an interesting guy and he barely shows his face. Idc about that, i only care that he continues working. I really dont understand what yall are crying about. That he didnt give any spoilers on the next arc? He gave a poopy interview but idc, thats not his job, hes not a personality, hes a manga artist.
@@mushroom11g55to be a god interview, you gotta say stm interesting 😂😂😂 not your favorite color panel, just make a tweet abt or stm we a whole interview
This interview confirmed one of the biggest complaints/conspiracies ever since he was the one in charge of the Super manga...he doesn't know what the essence of DB was (which would explain the character devolution) along with other odd answers...the only thing I can assume is he drank a bottle of Vodka before the interview, certainly reminds me of someone just throwing random answers out
Happy New Year Qaaman! I’m looking forward to all the Dragonball videos, Dragonball what if videos especially Daima and more Dragonball Daima discussions.
Imagine picking the worst version of trunks who's not just the worst version of the character but a terrible character. And don't worry qaaman besides moro being an ok arc the rest of the super manga post top has been trash.
Woah. Did Gojo vs Sukuna last 19 episodes? I think for my generation it would’ve been Naruto vs Pain. My boy Naruto grew up so fast, I was and am so proud of him.
@@theomnigamer9177 It's not about the length, although if you wanna go there it did last like 3-4 months. It's about the rounds and impact it made on the internet.
2024 is the Year of the Dragon 🐉 If they aren’t going to move the Super manga forward I would like for toriyama and toyotaro to explain or do a deep dive into the history of the Universe 7 Saiyans. Their life on Planet Sadala transitioning into Planet Plant, war with the Tsufurians, and how they met King Cold. They could do Yamoshi, The first Super Saiyan, the origin of SS god. But I would definitely appreciate a history of the Saiyan Arc instead of any slice of life stuff. They could even have the story be told through Vegeta on Beerus’ planet and also have Beerus or whis interject since those two are deities that watch over the universe.
The Master Roshi line thats Toyotaro's favorite is quite literally the worst line in the entire series and sums up all the problems with the show ROSHI WAS THE ONE WHO TAUGHT THEM THAT POWER WAS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERED! Retcons, plotholes, and general inconsistencies destroy pretty much sums up DBS as a whole and this line perfectly embodies that idea
Most of interviews are getting worse and worse and alot of fans aren't too big on stuff like this im pretty almost all us is wanting and up or something for the next arc
@@chromephone Okay and how in any way does that change his desire to still want to surpass him? He made it clear he hasn't given up despite admitting Goku was the best. In fact that line alone doesn't actually indicate he has given up in any way. He was merely stating something he knew years ago.
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To be brutally honest, interviews like this remind me why I’ve always treated Super as less of a true sequel to Dragon Ball and more like bonus content (like DLC) or just an excuse to get new transformations and bigger fights. When its good, its good, sometimes even peak Dragon Ball. But keep your expectations low.
I appreciate you took care to understand what he actually talked about in the interview rather than going off half cocked like some other channels. I know you aren't that kind of guy so its not unexpected but I still appreciate it. I sort of agree and disagree about Vegeta. In some ways it was a small steps but I appreciate the slow evolution to eastern style enlightenment he's going through.
Toyotaro brought too much of his dbaf story telling into dbs. It's not DragonBall anymore its "official" fan fic now. It's a bummer that DragonBall has dropped to this 😕🤷♂️
Also I don't get how yall don't see how impactful roshi's pep talk to goku in the tournament of power was. He literally causes goku to re evaluate his mindset that he has had since the saiyan saga I would say which is fighting power = better and basically told him that he's forgetting one crucial detail that every single one of his senseis taught him a piece of and that it is all leading to that very moment where goku needs to remember those teachings and to drive that point in a little further roshi brings it all back to himself with one of the tenets of the turtle hermit way, to Move well and while as whis stated roshi's technique was a far cry from UI it showed goku that even someone that can only blowup a moon like roshi can still achieve such a power and technique of movement that sets him apart from others. Also someone brought out this point the other day, Jiren is a GENIUS with his fighting abilities and his ability to gage others, He knew that if he went all out on someone roshis level he would literally kill roshi no question about it so he lowered himself to what he assumed would be roshi's level and when he did roshi pulled an ability to gaged above that margin that jiren lowered himself to so that's why it had the effect it did even though jiren put him down with ease shortly after realizing what had happened.
Cause all that was stuff goku knew and understood in Z lol. Not only Z but after training with Kami and Popo. Super just regressed Goku's character in order for him to relearn lessons and make teachers like Roshi and Whis look more wise.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 goku knew that up until the saiyan saga don't kid yourself, the entirety of super saiyan 2 was goku constantly aiming higher out of necessity and then once he died it just became a drug to him to get stronger and stronger and constantly get more powerful. Super didn't regress goku, goku was always this way he isn't a mindless punch jockey he just was constantly under pressure in dbz, it doesn't make any fucking sense for him to be uptight constantly just for the sake of a new big bad that's a stupid ass mindset in the context of the series. It's called story and character development my guy and it's part of the reason the dragonball fanbase sucks so fucking bad because people like you sit there and just want good fight scenes and don't care about developing characters or story or lore it's the reason dragonball heroes is so popular. I'm tired of Ztards acting like the only part of dragonball that is important is the parts where they beat the shit out of eachother, it's never been that way.
@nonope1715 he was referencing how if both fighters are equal in speed and skill the stronger one is going to win, it takes such little brainpower to even figure that out with how dragonball power scaling goes
How has super not devoloped vegeta? In the manga at least he's grown a ton, actively attempting to attone for the sins of himself and the saiyans. Then you compare that to the original comic where all he gets is the buu arc, which i guess is significant? I mean its just him realizing that he was domesticated off screen and acknowledging that goku is the better fighter (which isn't real development, reread it, vegeta is wrong and him humbling himself is a set up to a joke where goku cant beat buu anyways)
@spritvio639 but how? Vegeta doesn't choose to be a better person until buu, he's just carried from one fight to the next with no reguard for a single person's life or well being until he gives up his life trying to stop buu and don't get me wrong, that's a great moment, but that's all it is, one moment
@@williamholtzclaw3029 All his development happens in Z lol. He starts as a ruthless killer in the saiyan saga. In the Namek saga he's still the same but begins to help while at the same time seeing sympathy for him due to frieza. Android saga he's more about ego but starts to warm up to the z fighters and starts to show that he cares for others. Buu saga he becomes a family man but with evil deep down in his heart, but overcomes that by the end while also acknowledging Goku is better. Vegeta in Super is just the aftermath of the Buu saga as a full ally of the Z fighters and regrets he had in Z. He's the same character all Super lol
In Gt vegeta was the one who wanted to do the fusion dance to defeat Omega. It's a small thing but it spoke volumes to me about his character. End of Z Vegeta was awesome and super ruined his Arc. I don't really like super lol I wish they just left Dragon ball alone.
Ah yes the fusion dance, something he only learned in an non canon movie if we go off solely GT's version of continuity. End of Z Vegeta still wanted to surpass Goku and compared to GT we still see him grow in Super. Idk where you got the idea that Super ruined his arc but we didn't read or watch the same manga/anime.
Saying vegeta didn't grow as a character makes 0 sense especially in the moro saga and the beginning of the super hero saga. Vegeta in the moro saga shows complete remorse for what he did to the namekian village that never got revived that he murdered and showed his change of heart and not only that but that he wasn't doing it to protect his soul after death because in his eyes he isn't worthy of going to heaven in death, but it is the right thing to do and vegeta wants to do that to be at peace with himself in his life. If that isn't character development as much as vegetas development in the buu saga idk what to tell you. Also vegeta learns the basics of spirit control and the value of meditation in the moro saga and on pondering that in the super hero arc he shows he is trying to find how to bring his mind into harmony with his body like jiren does which is a ton of character development considering vegeta was always a hit the other person as hard as you can and gloat about your own power the whole time kinda guy, these are very huge developmental leaps for him.
@QaamansLand a nothing burger 😂 Wow bro it's OK looking 👌 when you said that. It's funny how he spent so much time on a ship instead of new ideas for the series
I'm really confused with this comment section, people seemed to be under the impression that vegeta has regressed in some way which is just bizarre, when we see his development into a family man, we see the growth of his relationship with bulma, trunks and now his newborn daughter, yes, he still keeps his rivalry with goku but it's not his identity anymore, he does it for the sake of just getting stronger, not because he needs to be stronger than goku. He humbles himself to take on a master and not just by one who is stronger than himself but those weaker as well. He opens his mind to become a martial artist in a similar fashion to goku as well, further highlighting his development. In fact his development is his biggest roadblock to his new path of power for ultra ego, he doesn't have that thirst for destruction he used to have and it held him back from beating granolah. His character development, his new respect for the lives of others serves to drive him to reconstruct himself again.To move past his burdens and live for the future. That's a brilliant new take on the character. I honestly don't know if we're watching the same show, i'm the first to criticize super but Vegeta's character is one of the shining highlights of super and it deserves credit for that. Side Note: Granolah looks cool as hell and so do the heeters, I agree that the heeters were used like garbage and I hate that, but they have good designs. So does moro (before 73) and merus, but I don't think I have to mention that since moro is just a solid arc, it's actually something you'd see in dbz.
The only growth Vegeta had in Super was showing that he grew to regret his actions against the Namakians. Outside of that, Vegeta has largely REGRESSED. The end of the Buu saga had him acknowledging Goku's ability. This naturally led to him in GT not seeing Goku as somebody he had to be stronger than, but somebody to strive for. Goku's power pushed Vegeta to grow stronger as a personal challenge. Super is just "MUST SURPASS KAKAROT! MUST BE SUPERIOR! MY ENTIRE EXISTENCE IS BASED ON BEING STRONGER THAN HIM ALONE!"
It seems like you and Mike both have slowed down a bit, is it just for the holidays or is there something I'm missing? Youre still making new videos at least. I dont think Mike has uploaded anything "new" for a while
@@QaamansLand well like I said you're still making new videos, and to be honest I don't think your rate has changed like I thought it did. I think you just streamed so much it seemed like you uploaded more whenever your last stream was. Mike on the other hand definitely hasn't even uploaded anything new for the past few weeks. Just a few couple hour complications of his videos, which is cool and all, but it was weird how he stopped uploading anything new, and with his scheduled streams after that 1000th video stream that happened a while ago. I was just wondering if you knew why? I also just want you and Mike to stream more lol
Vegeta had groth at end of the Buu saga, super took that away wanting to be Goku's rival/equal again
Vegeta had the best arc in super.
@@Anthonycheesman33What arc
@@Anthonycheesman33what arc
@@Anthonycheesman33I agree with that for sure, Super took where Vegeta was at right after the Buu Saga and have steadily progressed him toward the EOZ Vegeta we know he'll be.
@@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZSagreed say it again for the ppl in the back
The time put into Granolah's spaceship design is a bigger twist than Black Frieza showing up randomly.
A big problem with modern dragon ball is that a lot of characters have nowhere to go anywhere so they just keep going through the same arcs over and over again. This is the most apparent with Vegeta and Gohan, but even Goku just keeps regressing as a character for the sake of making him learn new things. This is why I never liked the Roshi speech for example, and the fact that Roshi is even there to begin with, a retired character who hasn't been relevant in any way since the end of the Piccolo arc. The series should focus on the lesser developed characters such as the kids but that would require them to give a backseat to the main 3 so that's not going to happen. The whole thing just feels like a soulless cashcrab.
Well said👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Agreed ots terrible
Goku maybe but Vegeta and Gohan? How they regressed exactly?
Gotten was cool in that mini arc. He finally had a character and was the calmer one for once whilst Trunks was a bumbling idiot.
B-BUT MASAKO…
Masako?! Crazy to see you here. I have a bone to pick with you. Where is Revelation F season 3😡 /j
I do wanna know if it's coming though lol
giving Toyotaro the keys may have been the worst thing to happen to DB since Evolution. but, Toriyama’s ideas haven’t been much better. I guess DB is just gonna be mostly trashwater from now on.
He's hit or miss. Toriyama I mean.
They really gotta sell the franchise to me.
The thing is, Toriyama doesn't know where to take it either. He simply doesn't take Super seriously and it's all just a side adventure to him pretty much. That's honestly fine-he doesn't have an obligation to force himself to make more content. The problem is, DBS cannot go anywhere because it's anchored to him, and that needs to change after 10 years of almost no long-term progression in the series.
Everyone else has their good and dogwater qualities, whether it's Toyotaro, Toei, the Dragon Ball Room, etc. There's no "best" alternative here honestly, but at least the other 3 groups could take the series somewhere. Well, maybe not the Dragon Ball room-they'd probably milk it even harder.
@@purerage7963 honestly cell max (toriyamas idea) was an unforgivable fumble. he should be made a consultant, not on lead story. or at least someone needs to check him on his dumb ass ideas
@@purerage7963 Dragon Ball room depends as GT has some really good follow ups on concepts from Z with Baby Saga and Shadow Dragon with return of Ape form while having smaller budget and really bizarre abomination that is Super 17 Saga.
I think this is something that is unique to American Dragon ball fans, you see Vegeta is only popular in America, whereas Goku is extremely popular in Japan and Asia in general and also in Latin America. Idk much about Europe.
So its only logical that Toyotaro has more fun with Goku than Vegeta, since Japanese people in general can't or hardly relate to Vegeta.
Toriyama tried to pass the Torch to Gohan on the Cell saga and clearly the Japanese / Asia / Latin American audience didn't really appreciate it, they want more Goku, so focusing too much on Trunks and Goten probably is not gonna be a main target for Toriyama and Toyotaro.
They had something going for Trunks in Wrath of the Dragon. But unfortunately, that isn't canon.
@@spritvio639 Future Trunks has a really cool arc to explore too.
Most of his interviews have been terrible but they somehow always find a way to make it worse.
I agree with that
Hahaha 😂
I'm gonna be completely honest here....I don't think a single person on the planet gives a flying fuck what Toyotaro's opinions are on the series. Even if you're the biggest fanboy of his...why would they care what "his favorite color manga is", etc? I know people are saying this interview is just a nothing-burger, but I disagree. It's even worse. We get fed sleep for dinner.
Well you dont have to watch it, wtf are you complaining about? Toyotaro is not an interesting guy and he barely shows his face. Idc about that, i only care that he continues working. I really dont understand what yall are crying about. That he didnt give any spoilers on the next arc? He gave a poopy interview but idc, thats not his job, hes not a personality, hes a manga artist.
@@mushroom11g55idk If yk how a interview works
@@mushroom11g55to be a god interview, you gotta say stm interesting 😂😂😂 not your favorite color panel, just make a tweet abt or stm we a whole interview
This interview confirmed one of the biggest complaints/conspiracies ever since he was the one in charge of the Super manga...he doesn't know what the essence of DB was (which would explain the character devolution) along with other odd answers...the only thing I can assume is he drank a bottle of Vodka before the interview, certainly reminds me of someone just throwing random answers out
And what essence is this exactly?
Happy New Year Qaaman! I’m looking forward to all the Dragonball videos, Dragonball what if videos especially Daima and more Dragonball Daima discussions.
Me too man, 2024 is Dragon Ball's year to shine once again.
Imagine picking the worst version of trunks who's not just the worst version of the character but a terrible character. And don't worry qaaman besides moro being an ok arc the rest of the super manga post top has been trash.
Terrible character u reaching
@@JACQUEZ23 no he's trash dude
@@frankcasamento74 nah he not
@@JACQUEZ23 Are we talking abt future trunks in super? because he yes he is infact trash😂
@@calebokoro. he definitely not but disagree tho
Ooh, another boring interview from the Dragon Ball Official Website, I never watch these.
Hey watch it you young whippersnapper you
I'm seeing a pretty big shift in Shonen Jump. Gojo vs Sukuna really felt like the Goku vs Frieza of this generation.
Woah. Did Gojo vs Sukuna last 19 episodes? I think for my generation it would’ve been Naruto vs Pain. My boy Naruto grew up so fast, I was and am so proud of him.
@@theomnigamer9177 It's not about the length, although if you wanna go there it did last like 3-4 months. It's about the rounds and impact it made on the internet.
@@okuigokublack not the same
@@JACQUEZ23agreed does not have the same impact and not as iconic.
@@BLAHblahblah85525literally
2024 is the Year of the Dragon 🐉
If they aren’t going to move the Super manga forward I would like for toriyama and toyotaro to explain or do a deep dive into the history of the Universe 7 Saiyans. Their life on Planet Sadala transitioning into Planet Plant, war with the Tsufurians, and how they met King Cold.
They could do Yamoshi, The first Super Saiyan, the origin of SS god. But I would definitely appreciate a history of the Saiyan Arc instead of any slice of life stuff. They could even have the story be told through Vegeta on Beerus’ planet and also have Beerus or whis interject since those two are deities that watch over the universe.
Right on brother! 👍🏽
Toriyama probably doesn't even remember half of those things lol.
PERSONALITY IN MY OPINION DON'T WATCH Interview
The Master Roshi line thats Toyotaro's favorite is quite literally the worst line in the entire series and sums up all the problems with the show
ROSHI WAS THE ONE WHO TAUGHT THEM THAT POWER WAS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERED! Retcons, plotholes, and general inconsistencies destroy pretty much sums up DBS as a whole and this line perfectly embodies that idea
Most of interviews are getting worse and worse and alot of fans aren't too big on stuff like this im pretty almost all us is wanting and up or something for the next arc
Who would have guessed that giving the reins to a guy who wrote a crappy fan manga would mean the quality of the show goes down?
AF is a joke manga.
April fools = AF
Plus Toyota is better then all fan mangas
It still hurts me how Vegeta's amazing character development that happened for the entire duration of DBZ, was mostly disregarded in seconds in DBS.
How?
Apparently we're reading different mangas or forgot that he still wanted to surpass Goku in EoZ too.
@@firionkaiser8291 that was littirally his last words in z
@@chromephone Okay and how in any way does that change his desire to still want to surpass him? He made it clear he hasn't given up despite admitting Goku was the best. In fact that line alone doesn't actually indicate he has given up in any way. He was merely stating something he knew years ago.
@@firionkaiser8291 oh i was doubling down what you said
Vegeta had the best arc in super imo . At least he doesn’t just hang around like GT and do nothing .
He was the main villain in GT and he helped with Super 17 and was a major help against Omega Shenron. So idk what you mean by that.
Vegeta is trash
@@alishabazz7431baby was a villain, in the 17 arc he helped as much as pan, and in the dragons arc he needed a machine to keep up, he is trash in gt
Hey Quaaman! I've followed you for YEARS.
Your 2016 videos about your personal life really helped me in my own life.
I don't know if those videos are still there but thank you. Thank you Quaaman. You really helped me a lot in my life
didnt he have a diffrent channel name during 2016?
@@itzYonko yeah it was Quaaman's land
Much love brutha
To be brutally honest, interviews like this remind me why I’ve always treated Super as less of a true sequel to Dragon Ball and more like bonus content (like DLC) or just an excuse to get new transformations and bigger fights. When its good, its good, sometimes even peak Dragon Ball. But keep your expectations low.
Happy new year Quinn, thx for the 9 years of education
Master Roshi fighting Jiren is imo hands down the worst fighting moment in all of DBS. Completely ridiculous!
Happy New Year Q! Hope u had a Merry Christmas too! 🤙
POV your watching this at 12:00 am
Thanks for the sum up
Happy New Year. :)
I appreciate you took care to understand what he actually talked about in the interview rather than going off half cocked like some other channels. I know you aren't that kind of guy so its not unexpected but I still appreciate it.
I sort of agree and disagree about Vegeta. In some ways it was a small steps but I appreciate the slow evolution to eastern style enlightenment he's going through.
Happy New Years Quinn🎉🎉
Toyotaro brought too much of his dbaf story telling into dbs. It's not DragonBall anymore its "official" fan fic now. It's a bummer that DragonBall has dropped to this 😕🤷♂️
He literally got most of the story from Toriyama. None of this screams DBAF story telling.
Also I don't get how yall don't see how impactful roshi's pep talk to goku in the tournament of power was. He literally causes goku to re evaluate his mindset that he has had since the saiyan saga I would say which is fighting power = better and basically told him that he's forgetting one crucial detail that every single one of his senseis taught him a piece of and that it is all leading to that very moment where goku needs to remember those teachings and to drive that point in a little further roshi brings it all back to himself with one of the tenets of the turtle hermit way, to Move well and while as whis stated roshi's technique was a far cry from UI it showed goku that even someone that can only blowup a moon like roshi can still achieve such a power and technique of movement that sets him apart from others. Also someone brought out this point the other day, Jiren is a GENIUS with his fighting abilities and his ability to gage others, He knew that if he went all out on someone roshis level he would literally kill roshi no question about it so he lowered himself to what he assumed would be roshi's level and when he did roshi pulled an ability to gaged above that margin that jiren lowered himself to so that's why it had the effect it did even though jiren put him down with ease shortly after realizing what had happened.
Cause all that was stuff goku knew and understood in Z lol. Not only Z but after training with Kami and Popo. Super just regressed Goku's character in order for him to relearn lessons and make teachers like Roshi and Whis look more wise.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 goku knew that up until the saiyan saga don't kid yourself, the entirety of super saiyan 2 was goku constantly aiming higher out of necessity and then once he died it just became a drug to him to get stronger and stronger and constantly get more powerful. Super didn't regress goku, goku was always this way he isn't a mindless punch jockey he just was constantly under pressure in dbz, it doesn't make any fucking sense for him to be uptight constantly just for the sake of a new big bad that's a stupid ass mindset in the context of the series. It's called story and character development my guy and it's part of the reason the dragonball fanbase sucks so fucking bad because people like you sit there and just want good fight scenes and don't care about developing characters or story or lore it's the reason dragonball heroes is so popular. I'm tired of Ztards acting like the only part of dragonball that is important is the parts where they beat the shit out of eachother, it's never been that way.
Didnt roshi tell goku and krillin “at the end of the day the stronger guy will win” or something to that effect in original db?
@nonope1715 he was referencing how if both fighters are equal in speed and skill the stronger one is going to win, it takes such little brainpower to even figure that out with how dragonball power scaling goes
2:53, is that a gun behind granola back?
How has super not devoloped vegeta? In the manga at least he's grown a ton, actively attempting to attone for the sins of himself and the saiyans. Then you compare that to the original comic where all he gets is the buu arc, which i guess is significant? I mean its just him realizing that he was domesticated off screen and acknowledging that goku is the better fighter (which isn't real development, reread it, vegeta is wrong and him humbling himself is a set up to a joke where goku cant beat buu anyways)
He developed in Super, but not as much as he did in Z. It's not debatable.
@spritvio639 but how? Vegeta doesn't choose to be a better person until buu, he's just carried from one fight to the next with no reguard for a single person's life or well being until he gives up his life trying to stop buu and don't get me wrong, that's a great moment, but that's all it is, one moment
@@williamholtzclaw3029 All his development happens in Z lol. He starts as a ruthless killer in the saiyan saga. In the Namek saga he's still the same but begins to help while at the same time seeing sympathy for him due to frieza. Android saga he's more about ego but starts to warm up to the z fighters and starts to show that he cares for others. Buu saga he becomes a family man but with evil deep down in his heart, but overcomes that by the end while also acknowledging Goku is better. Vegeta in Super is just the aftermath of the Buu saga as a full ally of the Z fighters and regrets he had in Z. He's the same character all Super lol
@@dominiquerobinson8888 Eh he's still grown in super too. Wouldn't exactly say he's the exact same as he was inBuu saga at this point in time
Super Vegeta: I need to atone for the mass murders I’ve committed
Also super Vegeta: I’m ALL EGO
Happy new year. Any reason u drop at this time now?
It was supposed to go up on the first but there was a delay
@QaamansLand damn ik how that go. The last song I dropped got pushed back a week
In Gt vegeta was the one who wanted to do the fusion dance to defeat Omega. It's a small thing but it spoke volumes to me about his character. End of Z Vegeta was awesome and super ruined his Arc. I don't really like super lol I wish they just left Dragon ball alone.
How dose super ruined his arc?
Super hasn't ruined his arc. Plus GT takes place multiple years after Super so more time has passed for his character to have changed
Ah yes the fusion dance, something he only learned in an non canon movie if we go off solely GT's version of continuity.
End of Z Vegeta still wanted to surpass Goku and compared to GT we still see him grow in Super. Idk where you got the idea that Super ruined his arc but we didn't read or watch the same manga/anime.
The ship looks like an StarWars empire ship
Vegeta vs granola is my favorite
Saying vegeta didn't grow as a character makes 0 sense especially in the moro saga and the beginning of the super hero saga. Vegeta in the moro saga shows complete remorse for what he did to the namekian village that never got revived that he murdered and showed his change of heart and not only that but that he wasn't doing it to protect his soul after death because in his eyes he isn't worthy of going to heaven in death, but it is the right thing to do and vegeta wants to do that to be at peace with himself in his life. If that isn't character development as much as vegetas development in the buu saga idk what to tell you. Also vegeta learns the basics of spirit control and the value of meditation in the moro saga and on pondering that in the super hero arc he shows he is trying to find how to bring his mind into harmony with his body like jiren does which is a ton of character development considering vegeta was always a hit the other person as hard as you can and gloat about your own power the whole time kinda guy, these are very huge developmental leaps for him.
Dude I'm rofl 🤣 with the plane joke 😂
Reason?
@QaamansLand a nothing burger 😂 Wow bro it's OK looking 👌 when you said that. It's funny how he spent so much time on a ship instead of new ideas for the series
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@@QaamansLand @3:27
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Happy New Year Qaaman 🎉
I'm really confused with this comment section, people seemed to be under the impression that vegeta has regressed in some way which is just bizarre, when we see his development into a family man, we see the growth of his relationship with bulma, trunks and now his newborn daughter, yes, he still keeps his rivalry with goku but it's not his identity anymore, he does it for the sake of just getting stronger, not because he needs to be stronger than goku. He humbles himself to take on a master and not just by one who is stronger than himself but those weaker as well. He opens his mind to become a martial artist in a similar fashion to goku as well, further highlighting his development. In fact his development is his biggest roadblock to his new path of power for ultra ego, he doesn't have that thirst for destruction he used to have and it held him back from beating granolah. His character development, his new respect for the lives of others serves to drive him to reconstruct himself again.To move past his burdens and live for the future. That's a brilliant new take on the character. I honestly don't know if we're watching the same show, i'm the first to criticize super but Vegeta's character is one of the shining highlights of super and it deserves credit for that.
Side Note: Granolah looks cool as hell and so do the heeters, I agree that the heeters were used like garbage and I hate that, but they have good designs. So does moro (before 73) and merus, but I don't think I have to mention that since moro is just a solid arc, it's actually something you'd see in dbz.
I was confused why Saiyain Scholar was the only one talking about it lol.
Edit: What are your thoughts on the Super anime not continuing?
Is it confirmed?
@@QaamansLand It's not (more like up in the air) but I believe the guy beside Toyotaro had mentioned the anime being over.
Happy new year bro 🎉
Happy new year Qaaman here today! 🤩
We just need the manga animated now 🗣️🗣️
Dang
gronala is unique and cool W mans
Happy new year!!!
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I don't get it?
@@QaamansLand the views when I noticed it in my feed, oddly specific lol I know
The only growth Vegeta had in Super was showing that he grew to regret his actions against the Namakians.
Outside of that, Vegeta has largely REGRESSED. The end of the Buu saga had him acknowledging Goku's ability. This naturally led to him in GT not seeing Goku as somebody he had to be stronger than, but somebody to strive for. Goku's power pushed Vegeta to grow stronger as a personal challenge.
Super is just "MUST SURPASS KAKAROT! MUST BE SUPERIOR! MY ENTIRE EXISTENCE IS BASED ON BEING STRONGER THAN HIM ALONE!"
When did he say he want to surpass goku in super?
This not facts. Wtf are you watching?
@@gokenzeroHe's been saying it since BOG.
@@spritvio639 where?
*Proceeds to forget that his last line in End of Z was literally about how he wants to surpass Goku*
It should be no surprise we find his interviews boring. As fans we loriefy DB a lot more than he does.
Vegeta has regressed in super imo.
in what way has he regressed? we watching the same show?
I don't understand, it's just a silly interview that doesn't affect anything well this fanbase will find any thing to complain about
I wonder what's the best interview if this is the worst
Granola is such a poor designed character, he just looks like a fusion of all other DBZ characters from the past.
That is far from the truth.
He is a nice mirror to vegeta
I don't know how else to say it, but that's just horrendously false
You are dumb.
He is peak design
It seems like you and Mike both have slowed down a bit, is it just for the holidays or is there something I'm missing? Youre still making new videos at least. I dont think Mike has uploaded anything "new" for a while
What do you mean specifically?
Love to hear your thoughts.
@@QaamansLand well like I said you're still making new videos, and to be honest I don't think your rate has changed like I thought it did. I think you just streamed so much it seemed like you uploaded more whenever your last stream was. Mike on the other hand definitely hasn't even uploaded anything new for the past few weeks. Just a few couple hour complications of his videos, which is cool and all, but it was weird how he stopped uploading anything new, and with his scheduled streams after that 1000th video stream that happened a while ago. I was just wondering if you knew why? I also just want you and Mike to stream more lol
lol 🎉
Noice.
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@@QaamansLand 😎👌
I loved the Moro arc until the end. I didn’t care for the Susanoo and Moro just replicated the Cell self-destruct, basically
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Toyotarro is sucks 😊
Airka Toriyama* DBZ Super 2 has been shafted for GT 2