OVER 40 MOUNTAIN BIKE TIPS: DROP PHYSICS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2024
- "OVER 40 MOUNTAIN BIKE TIPS: DROP PHYSICS" was inspired by subscribers who wanted a drop method that worked when the beginner 101 method didn't. Examples include: Slower drop speeds. Chunky take offs. Drops that are easy to overshoot. I'm joined by again by the man who literally wrote the book on mountain biking, Lee from Lee Likes Bikes.
This video is a follow up to our earlier video on the unified theory of mountain bike drops, "MOUNTAIN BIKE DROPS FOR BEGINNERS. DON'T MANUAL OFF DROPS!" It might be helpful to watch that first.
There is nothing that changes about the physics of drops if you're over 40 or any age for that matter. But we find that riders over 40 tend to be more careful and thoughtful about their riding. And a more analytical approach to the how and why of mountain biking builds confidence in more mature riders.
That's why this video is crammed with the physics and the math behind the motion of a mountain bike on drops. You'll see why speed is your BFF on drops and why if you can't carry speed adding some pop will keep that front end up.
If you're younger but appreciate the approach we are glad to have you on the journey with us.
After you've mastered the method described in the first video ( "MOUNTAIN BIKE DROPS FOR BEGINNERS. DON'T MANUAL OFF DROPS!") this video gives you the physics, skills and drills to ride your mountain bike off more complicated take offs and drops. Just another tool for the toolbox.
Popping a drop on a mountain bike is something that will become second nature with just a little bit of practice.
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0:00 QUESTIONS
1:26 BASIC MOUNTAIN BIKE DROP PHYSICS
2:40 POP-A-DROP PHYSICS
4:00 LEARN TO POP SIDEWALK DRILLS
5:00 POPPING SMALL DROPS
6:08 POPPING CHUNKY DROPS
7:20 SUMMARY
7:49 LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE!
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Alex and Lee: Your collaboration is absolutely topnotch! Great chemistry together, complementary explanations, applied physics, superb editing. Hoping you both keep it up ... and maybe team up on some LLB Valmont Bike Park live instruction?
JD Dallager Wow. Really appreciate your kind words. Let us know if there’s a topic to cover. Working on a list of ideas. Lee has tried to suck me into some assistant coaching occasionally. Maybe we can make something special happen. That could be fun.
@@JoyOfBike That would be SUPER fun!
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+1 on this comment. Power couple.
Easy to follow your explanations as they make sense. I am looking forward to trying the pop and drop when our weather allows. Thank you for taking the time to show the science at work.
Love this: “Don’t rush it, don’t let people push you; progress at a rate that gives you maximum joy”. So well said!
Thanks! If it stops being fun something is wrong!!
Indeed!
As a middle-aged beginner, I now need to learn how to pop with my hardtail MTB. I want to experience the joy out of poppin' an MTB!
Quote for the ages!
H! Can I do with hardtail? I'm 85kg fat?
I prefer not doing a pop drop technique (except for really slow drops) because if you do the pop to early your rear wheel will catch the back of the drop and it will slingshot you 180 degrees in 0.2 sec 😂
that is why speed is important
you mean like his example at 2:55 where this is exactly what happens? This technique is not only bad, but also very dangerous.
I just learned more than I did my entire junior year of high school.
😂
Ha, thank you!
You had a really bad high-school
That's what I tell my mum every time she tells me I watch to much TH-cam videos :D
Pretty sure it's because we only watch things on youtube that we're actually interested in!
love the physics in the explanation not just repetitive shots of the drops.
this is what you get when a mature rider does a tutorial.
PJ Sinohin Thanks PJ. This one took a lot of time with calculators and equations but I absolutely love adding the physics.
interesting to think about but totally inaccurate in this example. the '10mps2' only if nobody on the bike as a riders mass through the pedals will influence this rate possibly even increase the rate due to the leverage (pivoting around the rear axle). though in reality hands gripping will counter this rotation & therefore the riders body mass creating a triangle between tyre contact points, and the theres then the inertia of the total mass rotating - this rotation is initiated by the front wheel dropping off the lip.
good technique for riding drops is as much about countering and controlling this forward rotation than anything else. the timing between your wheels passing the drop point. longer duration = more rotation lesser duration = less rotation hence why at high speeds there is literally no rotation off a drop when maintaining a firm riding posture
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@@8iamretarded8 10 mps 2 is the acceleration due to gravity. It's not related to the mass of the object being accelerated, and it's a constant. Well, 9.8mps I think. But anyway, rider doesn't change that.
the danger here is, that if you "pop" less than necessary, your back wheel can hit the edge of the ramp and that will turn your whole bike and your face into ground..
try more like lighten the front wheel and in the last moment pop from the back wheel. Thats easy and much safer
Yeah instead of a traditional bunny hop similar to this vid, you can do more of an American bunny hop style of pop
Or you could just fly
just scrub it
I agree, this tutorial is actaully pretty bad for beginers. I bet some people get hurt hopping from drops if they dont have absolutely perfect timing or enoough speed. Definetly much safer and controled way is to more like bunny hop into landing.
This is how I mostly always do it due to having learned jumping BMX bikes at young age.. Only really do a full "pop" launch at higher speeds on rather even surfaces; need to know that back tire will clear.
Otherwise I unload the front(maybe just hand back, maybe give the bars a bit of a tug) and get weight on the back wheel and give a little jump just before the crest. An oddly time bunny hop but no hopping might be involved; just momentum redirection.
Best Channel for the old dudes learning how to ride! I am 44 in a couple of month and just started riding bikes. Your videos are super helpful! Thanks for that! 💪🏼
Great to hear!
Clicked on this thinking it was going to be a video with more than 40 mtb tips
I turned 60 2 weeks ago. I built a small drop in the field behind my house and in just 3 hours I went from being terrified to riding the drop with confidence after taking notes of these videos. The biggest tip for me was to keep the hands weightless...@@JoyOfBike
And old dudettes
"This drop wasn't built by Alpine Bike Parks, it was built by Boulder Community Hospital Orthopedic Department" 🤣🤣🤣
MTB conspiracy theories!
Ha!
Having ridden that drop I agree, tail cased it like my 4th or 5th time hitting it and barely managed to save it haha.
I laughed so hard I spit my food everywhere 😄
I am SO glad I stumbled on this channel! It's nice to see a couple of guys in my age bracket teaching me things I can work on. I am very new to mountain biking, been a long-time roadie, and looking forward to new skills. THANK YOU!
That comment about "hitting the flow zone" is so true. I find that when I'm being more playful and moving around on the bike, I feel so much more comfortable getting in the air and just kind of letting the bike work with me.
I love that you bring in some science. I've watched dozens of drop videos, but this is the first that made something click and got me feeling like, "okay, I know how I can build up my confidence now." Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks gents. I’m a 65yo accident on wheels, but your explanations (particularly this one) are so helpful. I’m still trying!
Great advice guys. I use this all the time in situations like this. I have had a few mishaps where I began my pop too late, and you already know what happened after that: a catastrophic nose dive over the bars and over the drop into the ravine. But like he said practice this a millions times on small drops till the timing for the pop at any speed feels natural.
Watched a few dozens of videos and this is the clearest explanation I have seen so far!👏
Thank you for your inputs,..still practicing it at 33 with my hardtail bike.
These two videos were perfect. The previous video for Whistler Bike Park, and this video for my local trails on the North Shore in Vancouver.
been doing this in riding for years, still learned a few things from this vid. awesome!
Your "Luxary Low" really made the difference in the last few Weeks Riding. I have to smile sometimes because it is so simple and it pops up in Mind all the time now when i get into this Situation or even a other unexpected sketchy situation. Your Channel rules! Thank you very much for all the amazing Content! Seeeend it!
I've learned so much from Lee. I took a clinic from one of his coaches and it REALLY helped.
This is such a helpful video--and thanks for allowing me (us) to start small until comfortable. You're not rushing me, which I love. I also appreciate understanding the angles at which the front tire drops, depending on speed. This is really something I feel as though I can practice and get the hang of. Brilliant.
Thanks. Never crossed my mind. I like the way you guys think. Brilliant!
Awesome video! I like how your facts are backed out with the speed vs angle chart! It kicked in for me! thanks for sharing!!
Very informative, I have wondered this for years. Thank you
Great clip! 🏆 Gotta try it
think I just found my favorite mtb skills channel, thanks guys !
Love your videos! I hope i can apply all of them.
"Progress at a rate that gives you maximum joy” - Wow!! Words of wisdom! I'm 44 yo who just rediscovered the joy of bicycle recently; trying to do stuff I didn't get to try when I was 14, lol..
Thank you very much for the super clear, super helpful and super awesome instructions!!! But most of all, thank you for the wisdom and contagious positivity!!
You guys are smashing these videos!! Great job Alex and Lee! Thank you boys!!!
Right on. Thanks 🙏
I really love this channel - I'm a 63 year old mtb rider and I am loving shredding the trails - but I'm quite a cautious rider - I wanna be braver and jump more and learn to manual etc etc ... this channel has taught me loads - thanks !! Keep em coming. Lee is a superb tutor...you're an excellent double act
Keep shreddy!
I never understood this technique from lee’s book , until now. Now it make sense when lee says pump the before the jump.
Love your channel.... thanks for doing these over 40 videos. I've always been active, surfing, snowboarding, motorcycling... and always wanted to MTB. I'm just getting into it at the ripe old age of 54... these old bones (don't heal as easy as they used to) REALLY appreciate your wisdom and skill. Your vids are helping me a ton. Thanks guys.
Welcome to the club!!!
Working on my "pop" this weekend!
Great video! Exactly what we over-40 guys need! Seems at this age things just don't come so easily, we need a thorough explanation. Thank you sir!
Another good video. Time to go practice. It is interesting to hear Lee say that just by adding the pop he hit the rock drop more comfortably and joyfully than the other hundred times he has done it. There is always something to learn and get better at riding trails. Thank you!
Paul S YES!!! Always something new to learn. I’ve been working on 360s and I’ve got Lee working on his 180s.
These are awesome lessons. Thanks guys. Love the humor interspersed also!
Topnotch content indeed! It's the best video I've watched so far about drops. You did a scientific approach that clearly explains the physics behind a drop. I've been looking for content like these. I'm happy to have found it! More power to you both!
Thanks 🙏
you two will turn me into a great rider love your videos please keep them coming
It works! The timing got to be right! Practice off the trail helped me lots. I am now subconsciously popping everything! And of course the turbo is much forgiving for the last minute speed gain. Thanks 🙏
You Guys are the best! This video is a revelation for me
This is the best description I’ve heard. Educational and clear. I will be practicing!
Love these vids - I use them to progress my confidence and ability and recommend them to buddies! More, more , more pls!
More to come!
The break down of what actually happens to the bike is amazing. I've never understood it as I do now thanks guys!
Thank you!
Simply awesome you guys are doing great.
This is really good I need to practice n practice n practice this. Just hit a 5 foot drop and crashed, I wish like hell I had a video so I could see what I did wrong . This is going to really help me. I hope !!!! I took Lees class many years ago at Demo I loved it.
Great video, this is the best video I have seen explaining the physics behind drops. I could never figure out why wheels didn't land flat and now I understand why.
Another bad ass video from the best teachers out there.
I love the detailed explanation! And this is just the first video I watched from your channel. Already clicked subscribe.
Thanks for the video!
One of the best videos that I’ve ever seeing on TH-cam to understand the drop technique!
One more fan!🤟🤟
Happy to hear that!
This vid provides the best explanation of managing a drop.
Love your teaching style and stoke.
Phenomenal content. Been riding for years. This was very helpful and will pass it on.
Glad to hear it was helpful. Keep shredding.
Las time this bunny hop 'pop' technique save me from a most probable bad crash. I was going downhill at speed on my road bike on this new stretch of very smooth tarmac, on a road I was not too familiar with. Then I suddenly saw a dug up trench across the whole width of the road some 50 feet ahead, and at the speed I was going there was no way I was gonna stop or slow down enough. My emergency mode kicked in and a split second mind decision to pop over the trench which was around 12 inches wide and 4 inches deep with hard sharp edges. I made it and I was so relieved that I had saved myself and my bike too. It's good to practice this technique regularly so that when you need it, it will come naturally. Nice video well done!
Very well done 👍🏻 👍🏻
You guys are giving me the confidence and knowledge I needed to try drops and mid sized jumps. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you! Cheers!
I love that you actually explain whats happening with actual physics, rather than some mushed up paradigm that is vague.
This channel is the single greatest mtb training channel on TH-cam. Well done gents.
Glad you enjoy it!
the thematic music absolutely sets off the killer mtb advice. love you guys
Demo at the beginning is a brilliant illustration.
Agree with JD, the chemistry is really great. Nice to see some older guys still sending it. At my age I'm looking to get better.....at my own rate, and with fun......not get hurt!
Perfect goals!
Really well put together.
Best Drop lesson ever ! Thank you.
Thank you Jay!!
Best drop video I've watched. The presentation of rotation as compared to speed is exactly what I needed to understand what's going on. Thanks for putting in the extra work to get that across.
Mike Bradley Right on! Stoked that it helped. It’s fun adding that little bit more science.
You are welcome!! Science --> understanding --> confidence --> fun.
I love the length and packed content of your videos ... just long enough to have time to explain everything with a couple repetitions so we can grok it. Great job here!
Glad you like them!
Glad I stumbled across your channel, I’m 36 and only recently got into mtb so taking in all your advice, definitely making me want to ride more. Great channel 👍🏽💪🏽
Welcome aboard!
Wow... im at a lost for words! This is awesome!
Bren Bascos Thanks Bren
I liked seeing the degree angle difference based on speed. It makes sense, but it helps to see it illustrated like that.
fantastic video, my first Joy of Bike vid and already checking out your website. Excellent instruction style and graphics, probably the most informative tutorial I've seen here. Thank you.
Thank you and welcome!!
Thanks for this tip! I started out on sidewalks then progressed to rollable drops and drops requiring a pop. Instead of just pulling my body to the rear, it looks cooler.
It's nice to see a proper explanation into what is actually happening with the bike, instead of the typical put your weight back and figure out the speed to roll in. Amazing channel!
Thanks! 👍
Wow!!! Great coaching. I just subscribed!!
Great video! And great explanation of the technique!
Thank you! Cheers!
Holy thanks, this video save my life!
Nice Job Guys! Love the slow motion and basic physics explanations
Thank you and welcome!
This video is very useful. Splendid~!
I really like this technique for riding smaller drops on a steep trail that I am unfamiliar with. I'm riding slower, as I learn the trail and features, and just popping everything, since I can spot the farther landing. This is a consistent technique to make this situation more forgiving, even if it is the 9% technique, instead of the 90% technique.
Great video on drops! easy to follow and great instruction by adding the pop in the learning process! Helped a bunch! Plus, added humor keeps me laughing.
Welcome to our nascent channel Joey. We will try to keep you smiling.
Have been riding for a couple of years but have been terrified by drops in general because I couldn't understand how to land safely. Watched so many videos on drops but yours has finally given me the understanding on speed and gravity effects .. thanks so much for making such a valuable video.
Happy to help!
Cool to see options for us older riders dude 👌🏽
Love this channel, good content guys, keep it up ❤
Thank you! Will do!
I love the measured and scientific approach of this. It was not about "feel", it was focusing on "this is the speed you need, this is how high to jump".
Lovely and awesome hats off 👏
This technique is very good, than any other shown on TH-cam tutorials on drops, mostly pro athletes used it specially on slopestyle competitions. I use this all the time.
Almost 880k views. I think this is the most watched JOB video. Great job Alex and Lee.
huge video...thanks a lot! subbed! ✌👊
Best mtb channel I have seen in a long time, no non sense content! Also love how Lee shows things exactly how he put in the book. Keep up the good work boys!
Thanks 🙏
@@JoyOfBike As colorado shredder myself I should stop by Valmont one day and pick your guys' brains 😀😄😄
@@arturlach6830 That would be brilliant. Maybe jump in a private or group session with Lee.
Top notch tips....thank you...!!
Great video guys!
Great stuff bro!!!
I really love your videos too. Started mountain biking at 40 and now at 44, I have discovered a love for going fast and for getting air on my bikes, even my fully rigid fatty in the winter. Sometimes I think I might be crazy and wonder if I'm too old to be pushing myself like this and learning more advanced techniques, but then I decide that I just don't give a shit. It's way too much fun! And besides, I feel like a kid again when I'm on my bikes anyway! Looking forward to more and more videos.
Well if you’re crazy at 44 what does that make me at 57? 😂 Rhetorical question.
Brilliant video. The explanations create that Aha moment as opposed to seeing riders flying off or over things without understanding why.
Thank you Denzil! One of my rules, and I think Alex is on the same page, is to *show* what we're talking about, rather than making the viewer create his/her own mental picture. We'll keep getting better at this. Thanks for watching!!
@@lee_likes_bikes yesterday I cleared a 4m tabletop for the first time after studying and watching a How To Jump video you did with a female Cyclocross and XC rider. Your whiteboard descriptions really helped this 50yr old understand the dynamics of getting off the ground. Thanks Dude🤟🏼
@@denzilbart5882 Right on man, right on!
So friggin well explained!
👍
Nice video dude, I hope that I can do a drop by watching this video. Ty so much dude.
Great explanation, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great stuff, guys! Your approach plus the physics somehow makes the techniques really comprehensible for me. Started 8 years ago, now 58. Got a 15 year-old son to keep with! Subscribed when I saw your Manual vid.
You and your boy are gonna have a great few years. Mine is 24 now!!!
Really enjoying these videos! Keep it up
We have lots planned for 2021. Welcome to the channel!!!
Good stuff, thank you
Wow...really everything you need to know in the first 23 SECS; then add the follow up 🤩🤯 You nearly got me out of my comfort zone! I’m off to the bike park today to practice; it has a small ~24” drop I always skip, and this vid nearly gave me the cajones (really the information to aptly stoke cajones!) to give it a row! Plus, I definitely want my first go at a drop GoPro strapped and it needs a charge. I definitely want it captured if I make it, but also if I don’t...both are fun (assuming a scathe-free bike n body stack!)! Thanks for the great content guys!!!!
Sending good vibes!!
Excellent video!
super useful, thanks 🙏
Top notch tips fellas, appreciated :)
Thank you! Lots more to come.