John Landis on BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- This surprisingly downbeat first of four sequels remains the most profitable of the Apes series, primarily due to its comparatively low budget. None-too-subtle anti-Vietnam war undertones waft through writer Paul Dehn's‚ subterranean ‚ rehash of the original, enhanced with the addition of nuclear warhead-worshipping‚ mutant heavies.
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I loved the movie. It has its flaws but I really liked how they expanded on the original location, the mythology and the ending.
I saw this movie when I was 11 year old kid at the theater in 1970. To this day it is my favorite planet of the apes movie. In fact, enjoy it more than the classic first one.
I saw it on VHS at the same age and thought the same!
Wow. You are wrong haha
haha
Same. The ending is more shocking.
Charlton Heston gave the money they paid him to an acting school. But it is true that he was vehemently opposed to doing a sequel...
Yep. He thought there was nowhere to go after the original.
And Heston was proved correct. 'Planet of the Apes' was a one-shot story. The sequels failed to ultimately find another compelling / consistent story to tell.
F--- him.
@@CaminoAir ..completely disagree with you. I think the series got more and more intriguing with ESCAPE and CONQUEST.
@@MeanMrMayo That's great that different people can get different things from a series.
Loved the movie. Another thought provoking movie. Having been to New York many times it was interesting to see New York 2000 years after being destroyed in a nuclear war and the American astronaut in shock says they finally did it. They finally did it. I used to live here I used to work here. That was a great line from the movie.
Saying that Roddy McDowell isn't in the film isn't technically correct. There is a bit at the beginning where you hear him reading from the twenty ninth scroll, sixth verse (from the first film).
So, Roddy McDowell is in all five films (sort of).
Despite not being too impressed by the Apes sequels despite a couple being good, I always feel that this sequel should fit somehow with the original, especially how it gives more to the Apes mythology, and according to Roddy McDowell, fulfills the final prophecy of the Lawgiver about Man wielding his final weapon. Perhaps, this sequel would have been quite better if Charlton Heston came back to be in the film full time and the filmmakers used one of Rod Serling's original treatments, which was called Planet of the Men. It's hard, because many film fans like me agree that the biggest problem with the film is that the original was so good, so intelligent, and so awesome, the final product that came out was not on the same quality level.
+Connor Brennan I agree, great points!
Thanks, man. Appreciate it.
I loved Beneath !
so much for Heston thinking he was also killing off any more sequels. Guess he forgot about time travel.
skivvy9yo The producers for Escape also forgot about the circumstances surrounding Taylor's ship that sank in the original. Cornelius says Dr. Milo repaired the ship, but Dr. Milo had never seen the technology of the ship before (we can assume), so how would he know how to fix it. Also, in the Blu-Ray special features, it says the ship resurfaces somehow. It does not make sense because Taylor and crew would have expected to return to their own time if the ship could do that. Another impossibility is that Cornelius, ZIra, and Milo would not have been able to reach the area where the ship was in time before the planet would be destroyed. It took Taylor and crew in the original almost three days to get to the area of the hunt that was several miles away from the Ape City.
Gorillas versus Mutants. What could be more fun than that?
Plz advise me on these doubts,
* How did the humans who survived with Caesar become mute? Lost the power to talk?
* Why dint the Mutants try to save the people in the surface and bring them to the underworld?
* Apart from Caesar or his descendants. How did other apes start to speak?
* The Mutants could have used their mind control over the attacking apes.
* The Mutants could have helped Taylor to find the spacecraft and return to the past to warn and save mankind. Instead they wanted to kill Taylor?
Great film great ending. Brave and dark
I agree. Killing off all three attractive stars was refreshing. The production values of this movie were lavish. The music was off-beat, The action was non-stop. And the anti-nuclear war message was effectively scary. A guilty pleasure for sure.
Nobody in Hollywood would have the guts to end a movie like that these days.
I think that "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" was a somewhat entertaining movie. I do remember from the stories about the movie having been produced on a limited budget and along with a complicated screenplay. Still, it was a good movie. I often sometimes wish for a remake so that it would turn out better.
Beneath is one of my least-favorites from the franchise, simply because of how unnecessarily depressing it is. Character deaths aren't heroic. It feels like they wanted to kill everybody off in the script because they hated any idea of a sequel. Feels "cheap" that way. I guess that was what sci-fi was like at the time until Star Wars came along.
That is understandable.
Guernicaman You're the type of person that needs everything spelled out for them in movies. Life is sometimes dark and hopeless with no heroes and that's what this movie explored. You want nice, tidy endings then you should watch more children's films. Besides, didn't you listen to the narration here? Charlton Heston DID NOT want to do a sequel and upon his suggestion, and his caveat to appearing in this film, wanted everyone killed off and the Earth blown up... to prevent any more sequels after this one.... or so he thought.
Not sure the attraction to dissing Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Yeah, yeah...Charlton Heston didn't want to do it. And they paid him too much. And he had the planet destroyed in the script. We heard this a zillion times. And...Who cares! This is an excellent film. An awesome film. I saw the uncut version where it showed the mutants trying to interrogate one of the apes and it didn't work. The apes on the march. Their brutality versus the telepathic mutants who pray to a bomb - fantastic metaphor between fascism and communism. Right versus Left. This is so much better than the junk they throw at us in theaters today, where you pay $10 a seat and get nothing but political correct garbage. My sequel: Apes rise to destroy Hollywood. Stomping on all the scripts they make us watch.
Where did you see this uncut version? I've never heard of this
We are living in The Planet of the Apes now...just look at our so-called "President" and those below him...Monkey City🐒
@@bturner999 I saw it a long time ago. It was on the 4:30 movie in NYC; late 80s. Shown over two days. I haven't seen it since.
As far as I remember, there was no scripted scene involving the Mutants interrogating "one of the apes," so I don't believe that Ted Post would have shot any such scene that wasn't in the script. We do know that 11 of the 12 gorilla scouts that Ursus had sent into the Forbidden Zone never returned, with that sole survivor having seemingly been driven insane due to "unsimian torture" inflicted on him. And the female mutant Albina tells Brent that they had had a few of the apes -- members of that 12-person scouting party, no doubt -- brought before them in their 'governmental' facility (the former Grand Central Terminal) to be interrogated. So we do know that at least 2 gorillas were interrogated by the Mutants, and no doubt subjected to the same sorts of Visual and Sonic Deterrents that 'Negro' inflicted on Brent.
But they never shot such a scene, because Paul Dehn's script didn't include any such scene. I can't imagine Ted Post -- with Dehn's script in his hand -- setting up a series of shots on the Grand Central set, with no scripted dialogue to perform in such a scene. And it wouldn't have made any sense for them to include such a scene, as it would have been a premature 'reveal' of the Mutant society that Brent discovers on his character arc. Ted Post, if I remember right, mentioned something about BENEATH being essentially a series of 'reveals' culminating in the explosive finale. The scene where Brent meets Mendez and his 4 fellow inquisitors is one such 'reveal', and it would have been spoiled if they had included an earlier scene depicting Mendez et al. interrogating a few of the in-over-their-heads gorilla scouts. We know that such an event must have happened -- as Albina refers to it -- but is was never scripted or shot.
Great film
James Gregory was also a crack-up on BARNEY MILLER.
Yeah,he was the funniest one on the show...
Also was in the first Twilight Zone episode “Where Is Everybody?”
The first ape movie I saw. I guess I was fond of it because the ape movie concept was so cool. 3 was better and 1 the original was the best.
I concur.
just a pity that the ape masks on many of the extras were so awful. Not a bad sequel overall despite being a darker movie.
The only sequel that was good.The films got progressively worse after that.
If they had only had the same sculptors build them, they would have looked far better. As it were, they all had those hideously gaping mouths with stupidly round muzzles that looked like cheap, generic pullover Halloween masks.
I LOVE THIS MOVIE BEST SEQUEL EVER
"What would I have to say...to a GORILLA?!" Astronaut Brent👨🏼🚀
He got several of his facts wrong (what Heston did with his paycheck, that the budget was squeezed because of Heston, that nobody noticed Roddy wasn't "Cornelius", suggesting that they recast the part to save money), but the story of his personal experience at Fox at the time was fun to hear.
Roddy McDowall could not do this film due to a prior commitment.
Directing his first feature film that got yanked from him over lost funding and eventually released as a crappy horror flick for which he fought, and failed, to have his name removed.
Most ambitious sequel ever made?
I've been watching Landis episodes non stop for a while now and - man - is he a charming storyteller or what? Highly enjoyable - which kinda makes sense, because after all "storyteller" is pretty much his job. :)
But seriously - should he ever run out of work - simply give him a camera and something to talk about that he himself likes and I'll watch. :D
Odd that James Gregory was billed around 7th,
in the co-starring roster,
when Ursus was a pivotal character
and James virtually stole the movie.
Moreover, big names like Orson Welles and Ernest Borgnine were offered the General's part,
so he was always envisioned as a major role.
I can guarantee you either of those guys would have been billed between 2-4 or given an "And Starring" credit.
I won't say it is the best but it stands as very mood setting action. As a kid it scared me ( in a good way). I'd say POTA quality is the the same as release sequence. I guess Landis say this is "#2":-D
This is an exceptionally silly film -- Franciscus on a rescue mission? But the music (like Bernstein on acid) and set design do make for an interesting watch. I first saw this on TV when I was 10-12, and I did notice is wasn't Roddy McDowell.
The most nihilistic movie ever. Literally everyone dies. They only got a sequel by throwing in a time traveling angle that realistically wasn't there.
Very dark really about nuclear war
Roddy was not in this wow I never knew...
David Watson replaced Roddy in this movie. The makeup helps obscure that. I assumed it was Roddy, but I wasn't sure. Their voices are somewhat different, but not too much.
@@GentlemanAmerican Not really. Even the makeup appliance was different in shape, and with Watson not looking (or sounding) anything like McDowall, it was immediately evident to my ten-year-old eyes.
Wait... how can you be sure that I am somewhere in the time-space continuum?
I hate to point this out
-but at 1:59, you can see James Gregory's neck.
Skin where there should be hair.
Why didn't they hire Roddy McDowall? Did they try to get him & he said "No"? Ask for too much money? Or did they run out of money due to what they promised to pay Heston?
He wa s directing the devils widow.tam lin staring eva gardner.
@@cliffboulle2457 Which was taken from him and re-edited after funding was lost. It was so bad that McDowall tried valiantly, but failed, to have his name removed from the credits.
Landis for President.
YA OF RUSSIA
He's a killer
He got away with manslaughter. But, let me guess, you voted for the orange guy?
How is max doing?
Rick Berman's brother in law that’s what Max Landis said.
Hello im julius marx and i never saw this movie
I’d love to hear one of those jokes he made in that suit sir any that you can remember?
I love listening to this guy
Ape Week on the 4:30 movie -all we talked about-growing up,
Trash! It's a classic!
Yeah, compared to most movies today it's actually pretty good. Well written, well acted. Blues Brothers 2000...that was trash.
An incredible film. Trailers from Hell...More like Critique from Hell.
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I've tried watching these sequels, they're just too difficult for me to watch..
You know, I feel the same way about slasher movies. They are REALLY difficult to watch. They also disgust me at the same time.
I agree. The only sequel that I will watch now is Beneath, since it is the only direct sequel to the original, and it's so climactic.
You sound so haughty here, Landis. Don’t care about your opinions, it’s still a great film in light of the reduced budget. A lot of your films are just lame and awful by the way.
The title says it all. This movie was beneath the planets of the apes and should have never been made.
It IS trash, but that's okay. It's much more of a sci fi movie than the first, which was more an extended analogy using sci fi tropes. I can imagine people who liked the first one would be turned out by how junky this one is in comparison, but whatever. I think it's the best of the sequels.
This movie was terrible but still fun.
hated this movie
Plz advise me on these doubts,
* How did the humans who survived with Caesar become mute? Lost the power to talk?
* Why dint the Mutants try to save the people in the surface and bring them to the underworld?
* Apart from Caesar or his descendants. How did other apes start to speak?
* The Mutants could have used their mind control over the attacking apes.
* The Mutants could have helped Taylor to find the spacecraft and return to the past to warn and save mankind. Instead they wanted to kill Taylor?
The humans lost speech very gradually over humiliation of being with stronger creatures aka apes. More later.