I am one American who loves to hear Katherine Jenkins sing. When she sings Jerusalem and I Vow to Thee My Country I am moved with emotion because of the beauty of these hymns, but also because I love England and her singing touches my soul. In my opinion, her singing is a testimony of her faith in Jesus Christ. It is very meaningful to me. :)
Katherine, may God bless and preserve you so that you may continue to sing and be a joy and inspiration to us all with your empathy, grace, compassion.
Eeeeeer, is anyone, actually, going to comment about how much they enjoyed the programme and Katherine's contribution to it.... Just thought I'd ask...
"Opera Singers" have used "mics" The 3 tenors and other performances. Jonas Kaufmann has used them. Don't forget 200 years ago, the theaters were a lot smaller as was the orchestration. I am sure, Katherine Jenkins could sing in a small theater.
I will also say that even many opera singers use mics outside depending upon the venue and crowd size. Sound tends to get lost outside where it is quickly dispersed, but opera singers never use mics inside, except to be polite. I think there are some full operas here on yt where Pavarotti played a main role. I've seen them. He had no mic.
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The best thing that you can do to learn what an opera singer is, is to stop listening to crossover singers like Jenkins, Evancho, Groban, Bocelli, Potts, Brightman, Sissel, Westenra, etc. and only listen to opera singers for an hour or two each day. Then, go back listen to the crossover singers. You'll hear the difference if you have an ear for music and a discerning ear. Listen to Renee Fleming, Ruth Ann Swenson, Anna Netrebko, Lucia Popp, Diana Damrau, etc.
Oh, I almost forgot. Opera singers don't use microphones. They have very naturally powerful voices and are then trained to further project over top of a full orchestra. Jenkins uses microphones.
Further, any opera singer can make a mistake and/or have a train wreck. They are human. I don't know of any singer, including met singers that have not made a mistake in a performance and most have had a train wreck. One mistake or train wreck doesn't mean that the singer uses bad technique. It simply means they're human. Even the best opera singers with the best technique have made and mistake and had a train wreck. Voice cracking is usually due to being over tired.
For example, a girl as a teenager may be a soubrette (high light soprano youthful sounding), then may become a lyric or full lyric (high, light soprano, mature sounding) and then a dramatic ( lower, heavier voice), and finally may end up being a mezzo soprano ( low, heavy voice). I would be worried if Kaufman's voice sounded exactly the same as it did when he was in his 20's. No, opera singers don't lower their larynx, any singer that does that is not an opera singer.
Are you now saying that Placido Domingo and José Carreras weren't opera singers? If you are talking about an "un amplified voice" for a definition of an "opera singer" are you saying someone like Ethel Murman who sang broadway in the days it didn't use "mics" was an opera singer?
An opera singer is someone who sings with a certain technique (always producing his/her sound in head voice- Jenkins sings from the throat) and performs roles in operas. Listen to some real opera singers like Lucia Popp, Anna Netrebko, Diana Damrau, Natalie Dessay, Ruth Ann Swenson, etc. These women have all performed at the Met in NYC. You can hear the difference in voice production.
She is not an opera singer. She is a classical crossover singer. Why does she let the media misrepresent her?!!! People are going to think that opera singers really sing and sound like that.
Also, there are some full operas uploaded here on youtube. There are a couple that are good for people not familiar with opera. Here they are: /watch?v=bkzC8Y9m4Iw & /watch?v=Ld4z2nG0Gjo&list=WL67551B27864FFBDE & /watch?v=8OUrafVroho&list=WL67551B27864FFBDE When someone is as skeptical and non trusting as you are, the best thing for them to do is just experience it. I'm not saying this in a negative way. We shouldn't believe everything we read or are told. Give it a try:)
There are "opera singers" who don't sing with a certain "technique" For example, Di Stefano sang open through the passaggio. Melocchi taught the lower larynx technique, where the person lowers the larynx way down to achieve a dramatic sound. Different then other singers. Many "opera singers" have lost their voices. So again what is an "Opera Singer"? Since technique varies widely and many have lost their voice.
She didn't say what many have said she said. Here is what she said: " People expect a classical singer to be big and fat " She is talking about "people's expectation" and *THEIR* stereotypes. Its true. Many people do have those stereotypes, so she made sure her looks were not like this. Its like when I show people Corelli for the first time. They are shocked to see a slim man with a huge voice. The stereotype is real.
You did. You said this about the 3 tenors: "The three tenors, besides Pavarotti weren't opera singers." You are saying they aren't opera singers. Are you now saying Pavarotti is *not* one? "
Also, just because a singer has a disaster, it doesn't mean that the disaster was caused by poor technique. Simply being overly tired can cause a disaster or taking the wrong role for your vocal type or over singing.
Here is Kaufmann's own words" Quote: “It is true. In 1995 I started to change my technique completely. Until then I had sung as a very light tenor. It wasn’t even a lyrical tenor, it was really very, very light..
OBVIOUSLY, Edgar, KJ is NOT from your neighborhood!!! She has a "past", and when she was "young and stupid" she acted "young and stupid", abusing drugs and alcohol. We who are her fans and admirers trust that she has matured beyond her youthful stupidity and going along with other member of the "young and stupid" mob. We who are her fans love her for what she has worked hard to accomplish over the past several years, and we rejoice over her financial and personal success. Long may she reign as an example of what can be accomplished by free people in a free land.
I will tell you one last time. An opera singer is a singer who has been classically trained, always sings in proper operatic head voice, and plays full operatic roles whether the singer takes care of his/her voice or not. I've already told you what an opera singer is, but you refuse to believe me, so why don't you call your local opera company or an accredited university music department and find out or ask one of the many classically trained singers here on youtube.
The reason people here are having trouble defining opera, is because, it is evolving as an art form, and has many different styles. Opera today was not what opera 200 years ago was, and in the past, they didn't have the technology we have today. Singers like Bocelli etc are an extension of opera in evolving technology, they might not "opera actors" but they are opera singers who sing arias from various operas.
Pavarotti is an opera singer and has played roles in full operas. He only uses a mic at classical crossover (which is what Jenkins is) concerts because those singers have to have mics. Bocelli and Westenra are not opera singers. They have not had classical training and have not been in any operas. They also don't produce their sound operatically. Instead, they sing from the throat.
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I have defined an opera singer for you several times. It is the same definition I've that trained singers here on youtube use, it is the same definition that professional opera critics use and it is the same definition that famous opera singers use when interviewed. I'm not going to repeat myself again and you are wrong about Kaufman's lowered larynx. He may have changed his technique, but he didn't lower his larynx. That would cause a swallowed sound, not a hoarse one.
Your absolutely rude. I never once even said I even liked KJ. I am merely pointing out the fallacy that many engage in. Opera is very difficult to define. It means 'works' and if it is theater what makes Broadway not opera? Is it the style? I find it highly offensive the nature of many so called "opera fans" who go around trying to educate on things they no little about. For example, you alluded to Domingo not being an opera singer? Is that not right? How do you defend this??
Of course there are opera singers that exercise poor technique, but you won't find them at the met. Those singers are held to the strictest standards. They have to have the entire package- a beautiful voice, impeccable technique, incredible acting ability, great diction, able to portray any emotion, etc. Any singer that lowers his/her larynx is not an opera singer because they are singing from the throat and not the head and would not be hired in any opera house.
Yes, in every genre there is correct basic technique, but the technique used for opera is different compared to other genres. Most opera singers have to study 10 years before they can get a role. I don't know of any rock singer that does that. Agreed that there is good and bad technique, but technique for a rock singer is much more simple than that of an opera singer.
I used to study music like Corelli but found most of the teachers that teach singing were actually wrecking the voice. The only way to know is by "hearing" and not by someone telling you "this is the way"--That doesn't work--at least not for me.
Well you tried to argue against Katherine Jenkins based on technique at first. Do you take this back? Having bad technique does not mean you are not an opera singer, and you seem to agree with this point now. Yes Rollando Villazon has poor tech and he has been at the MET.
KJ opera singer? No, they meant she may become opera Singer with years of training, and proper one. There is no room for terms such as popera singer. It is like Spanglish. It is meant to be either Spanish or English. Sorry, black and white here. Singing opera professionally is not a joke. They who have taken voice lessons in classical singing, know what I mean. One thing I do not understand is that people here make comments such as Kauffmann lowers his larynx and that seems to be terrible technique. What? Tell me one professional opera singer who does not lower their larynx (yes women have that thing too; we just do not see it on the outside). In fact, you take deep low breath, rib cage spreads, your internal organs push against your tail bone, your belly pops out quite a bit, chest does not move up, your larynx automatically drops (just make sure you do not push it down with the root of your tong). You do not lower your larynx = you are not properly supporting your voice and you will ruin your voice sooner than later.
Opera and the meaning of the term is evolving. There are many forms, and opera a few hundred years ago was totally different. So what if a person today uses a mic? How is this not opera? Who is to say what style must be to be opera? 150 years ago technology was very different. Saying she is not an opera singer is "wooden literalism" and makes no room for the evolution of the art itself.
Some good voice teachers will teach a simple modified opera technique simply so rock and pop singers can access their head and chest voices safely, project as opposed to yelling, etc. But the technique is simple and still not the same as an opera singer. Operatic technique is different than other genres period. Singers in every other genre sing from the throat. Opera singers never do that.
Any met singer who has a total voice breakdown has only him/her self to blame. They didn't take care of their instrument. As I've said before, any singer can lose their voice if they don't take care of it in any genre. I don't see what that has to do with anything?
Further, I never said that all opera singers have good technique, but just the same basic technique, beyond that, it could be poor. But, you will never find poor technique at the met. Yes, very light voices can change to heavy with age as the vocal chords change and mature. Many young women start off as light lyric sopranos in their 20's and end up with heavy mezzo voices in their mid-late 30's. It can and does happen with men too.
Most good singers who are trained "use the same basic technique" Yes an "opera singer sings in operas" however, "opera" has changed. Which opera? Rossini, Bellini, Donizetti is far different than Verdi. In fact, styles changed so much that Caruso was booed when he sang Una Furtiva differently in Naples. Now so what is "opera?" Why is not Broadway "opera?" It used to be unamplified. What is making only a certain style "opera?" it is you who has the control issue trying to instruct people
Right, but since the Verismo and the loud volume, singers are loosing their voices more and more. Show me Bjorling cracking? He didn't. Why? He knew his voice didn't have enough "spinto" to compete with large orchestration. That is not known today. You realize how many times I have seen 'cracking'? If anything, I am glad for Bocelli. The amplification is returning true bel canto. Very few singers are at Corelli's level to sing loud. "VERY FEW"
The following Link are OPERA disasters and many have been at the MET watch?v=5k6c4MBG7h8 Here is another famous tenor cracking like no on has ever cracked and he has been at the MET
I never once said that Domingo is not an opera singer. I said that I think Domingo is a better opera singer than Pavarotti. I do apologize. One of my comments was rude. I hope you understand that I thought you might be one of many obsessed popera fans I've run into here on yt when you asked me to take back my statement. I honestly have been cyber stalked and harassed by fans that pretended to be civil at first.
Also, every singer is an individual, so there is no one size fits all technique that works with every singer, but every opera singer has the same basic operatic technique. There is a right way and a wrong way to vary the technique. A singer can have poor technique and no vocal breakdowns like Bocelli due to pure luck and/or because the singer isn't using any dangerous technique. Also, Bocelli has only sung maybe 3 classical songs and now sings them very rarely.
There are a few small and struggling opera houses that would take a singer with poor technique and a beautiful instrument in which much of the poor technique is hidden just out of desperation. But, extreme few and even they would not accept a throat singer that lowers his/her larynx. I think the metropolitan opera is qualified and able to identify when a singer is lowering his/her larynx and not hire him/her. The met is much more qualified than either of us will ever be.
Your the one trying to correct people. What are you doing here if you don't like the singer? So now Jose Carreras isn't an opera singer? Can you defend this. You are here acting like some kind of authority on the subject, so please defend your statements. When I mentioned the 3 tenors, you alluded to some of them not even being opera singers.
The three tenors, besides Pavarotti weren't opera singers. Opera singers sing in auditoriums that seat 1000's of people only use mic's once in a while outside or when singing with a crossover singer or in a situation where the host is musically ignorant and gives them one. Jenkins could only project to a few rows without a mic. She might be able to project well enough to a theater that seated 50 people. Maybe...
I have watched and studied music and opera for a very long time. You are wrong and you can't support what it is your arguing for. You are trying to "bully" others by telling them what they don't like is no good or not "opera" yet "opera" can't even be properly defined. Katherine Jenkins/Andrea Bocelli are singing Operatic arias therefore they can be alluded to as "opera singers" Maybe not "opera performers" but they are "operatic" If they have poor technique, it doesn't change this
Your claiming she is not an opera singer but you are not defining one. You at first tried to argue it was about "technique" But that is not what defines an opera singer
Tagliavini sang soft without a mic. Juan Diego Florez has a tiny voice. How can you say she can't sing without a mic? We don't know. She was trained and earned a teachers degree. Okay, let us suppose the voice is made to sound fuller. So what? Bjorling didn't sound like he did live. His voice was small live big on records. Nothing new. Where did she say opera singers were 'fat and ugly?'
Lowering of the larynx is exactly what Jenkins does (and Evancho) to produce the sound that people call operatic. No good voice teacher does that. It will ruin a voice. Any singer can lose his/her voice for a number of different reasons. They may over sing or in opera they might take a role that is not suited to their voice. They might have had bad training and the poor technique kills the voice. Some singers just don't take care of their instrument. Yes vocal technique does varies.
Right, and you don't know this, and it doesn't make some less an "opera" singer. 150 years ago, the theaters were a lot smaller and there were very light voices in opera. Again, you alluded to 2 of the 3 tenors not being opera singers, can you now justify this statement?
You haven't "defined it" you tried to argue "technique" I responded that there is no one technique in opera that many singers have lost their voices. You tried to say it is "unamplified" to which I responded that many broadway singers used to sing this way before "mics" I am absolutely NOT WRONG on Jonas it is well known amongst teachers. He does have a "swallowed sound" at times.
Calling Katherine Jenkins an opera singer is an insult to all the hard work and training actual opera singers have to endure before debut. Opera singers are Anna Netrebko, Diana Damrau, Joyce Didonato among others. They work hard to make opera enjoyable to young aspirants and general audiences. This is not about snobbism is about RESPECT. The day she performs a whole role in an Opera then she will have the right to be called an Opera singer. Her voice is lovely for the pop songs she sings. She's more like a successor to Sarah Brightman than Renee Fleming. And that is a compliment. I love crossover singers like Bocelli, Groban, Sissel, Westenra. But none of them are opera singers nor they pretend to be.
BRENDA WHAT LAND DO YOU LIVE ON, EVIDENTLY, YOU ARE NOT WELSH THANK GOD WHAY TYPE OF TRAINING DO YOU THINK KATHERINE WENT THROUGH AT THE COLEGE OF MUSIC YOUR KNOWLEGE OF MUSIC IS SILCH
Benjamin Davies what does where I am from has anything to do with the fact that she is not an opera singer? And if u dont believe me u'll find several professionals pointing this out on the internet. Even Kiri Te Kanawa has spoken not so fondly of popera singers like her.
Anyway, I hope you accept my apology. You have to understand that some of these fans are really crazy! I thought you were trying to get me to like KJ and manipulate my opinions. It's happened here before. Evancho's fans are the worst. I will be getting my master's degree in vocal performance and my teacher is a trained classical singer with her master's in music from Bowling Green. She is a mezzo soprano.
Lowering the larynx is what Jonas Kaufmann does. Its what Mario Del Monaco did. What Giuseppe Giacomini does. They are opera singers. There are teachers that do teach this. Not all of course. But it is nothing unique to "pop singers" or "crossover"
No they don't. That is too broad. Many good singers use the same "basic technique" Not just opera. In fact, most singers today are training day and night, night and day to get their voices just right. Opera has been hijacked by this notion of huge orchestration. Why do you think Pavarotti cracked like he did? His voice was tiny and small. He didn't have a large voice. He should have followed Bjorling's way. Same for many today.
They are having train wrecks because they are trying to sing at an ungodly volume. They strain and they are human, just like Katherine Jenkins. However, I can show you rock singers that never have such happen. Does this mean they use better technique? They are human to. Again, singing is singing and good technique is good technique regardless style.
There are voices in "opera" to hate. So the point is rather moot. I know the difference between opera and broadway, but you are forgetting that opera was always evolving and very different through the years, by what authority does one call a certain style "opera" and not the other? I can, because I don't adhere to this "wooden literalism" that is absurd
No. He was losing his voice and changed his "technique" even he admitted this. Before he had a very/very light voice. Now he pushes his larynx down, and he sounds hoarse or coarse. You can clearly here the technique he is using. A voice might thicken with age, but not sound so different. Like I said, many operatic performers have lost their voices. So you should stop thinking "opera = good tech" Not so. Some times, yes it does. So what is an opera singer? The definition on one?
Yes, all opera singers use the same basic technique. That is part of it. The other part is that an opera singer sings in operas. Jenkins has never and will never sing in an opera.
What are you talking about. Franco Corelli talked about the dangers of the lowered larynx, something that some opera singers do. Jonas Kaufmann for example, sounds nothing like he did years ago. He is ramming his larynx down to get that sound. Also, Just because one sings Opera doesn't mean they are using good technique. I already pointed out singers who used poor technique and or lost their voice.
For example, shallow breathing, is poor technique, but it's not dangerous. Lowering the larynx, jaw vibrato, straining to hit notes, etc. is all very dangerous technique. I'm actually very concerned that you seem to be getting a lot of misinformation from your voice teacher. I'd ask this teacher for his/her credentials and if he/she can only point back to another teacher without an accredited vocal degree, I would run.
Like I said there are a great many bad "opera singers" what we are looking for is a definition on what an "opera singer" actually is. Rolando Villazon has horrible technique. In fact Bocelli hasn't had a total voice breakdown like Rolando did. Ben Heppner has had vocal problems. Peter Hoffman lost his voice and sang rock music. I am not talking about "good singers" vs "bad singers' that is in all different fields of music. But the definition on what an "opera singer" is.
Let me tell you something. There are very few Corelli's and very few Tuckers. Very few. Voices that huge and that big can't be manufactured. You can train and train and get the skills going, but they are just very unique. Kaufmann, whom I have seen, I am sure, has a tiny voice. Small. Horrible. Do you not realize, its not the Katherine Jenkins and Andrea Bocelli who are ruining opera, its the voices of today! They are worse! Sure Bocelli needs a mic, but so what? Corelli loved his voice.
I am in total and complete disagreement. Kaufman's voice has matured. Classical voices can and do change throughout the years. Many opera singers aren't even the same vocal type after their voice completely matures. A classical voice doesn't mature until the singer is well into his/her 30's. Up until that time, the voice can change and singer may be a number of different vocal types until it matures and settles. Voices also thicken with age. This would explain the difference in Kaufman.
Yes you do. Jonas Kaufmann has horrible technique. Di Stefano didn't sing like an ordinary opera singer, he sang "open" through his higher notes. There are a number of singers who have also lost their voices who have sung their. Rollando Villazon has horrid technique and had lost his voice and always sounds hoarse when he talks. He is returning to the MET, he has sung there.
Finally, some of the singers in those vids may have been overly tired. A couple were clearly drunk. Some may have taken roles not suited to their vocal types. Have you ever seen an actual opera? How many opera singers have you really taken the time to listen? Jenkins' technique is just about the worst out there. She slaughters arias and makes mockery of the operatic repertoire. She needs to stick to pop and get her larynx out of her toes. She just doesn't have the talent in the first place.
Jenkins is not an opera singer. She has not the talent, training or range to ever dream of being one. No, I don't take anything back, nor will I be manipulated by you. No, Kaufman's technique is not poor. You are just musically ignorant.
Look I just showed a dozen opera singers have disasters. Is that what you call talent? You admitted many do have poor technique. I showed that some do perform at the MET. Your claim is what now? Even Pavarotti cracked his voice numerous times from strain. Again, technique is not always what defines an opera singer. Jonas Kaufmann, many do not find his voice or tech correct, and he will loose his voice again the coming years.
This tells me that you don't know that much about music. If you were really studying opera 1. you would hate Jenkins voice and understand that she is just a horrible popera singer, 2. you would know the difference between opera and broadway, and 3. you would understand why opera singers are forced to use mics under certain circumstances. 4. If Kaufman's voice is small, than Bocelli's is microscopic. Goodbye
A former cocaine party go-er that has had more plastic reconstruction than a recycled Tesco carrier bag, who puts on more fake tan and foundation than the entire cast of TOWIE. In terms of commercial hymn singers, even Charlotte Church was miles better than this 5p throw-away. Charlotte had a much better voice as well
I am in total and complete disagreement. Kaufman's voice has matured. Classical voices can and do change throughout the years. Many opera singers aren't even the same vocal type after their voice completely matures. A classical voice doesn't mature until the singer is well into his/her 30's. Up until that time, the voice can change and singer may be a number of different vocal types until it matures and settles. Voices also thicken with age. This would explain the difference in Kaufman.
I am one American who loves to hear Katherine Jenkins sing. When she sings Jerusalem and I Vow to Thee My Country I am moved with emotion because of the beauty of these hymns, but also because I love England and her singing touches my soul. In my opinion, her singing is a testimony of her faith in Jesus Christ. It is very meaningful to me. :)
This Lady is always on my list of music to listen to thank God for the voice of an angel
Katherine, may God bless and preserve you so that you may continue to sing and be a joy and inspiration to us all with your empathy, grace, compassion.
Just wow, she sings and wow
Thank you for the video.
thanks for posting!
PRAISE the "LORD" for singing PRAISES to the "LORD"
Me gusta mucho este video. Despues de tiempo que vuelvo a escuchar a KJ. :)
Eeeeeer, is anyone, actually, going to comment about how much they enjoyed the programme and Katherine's contribution to it.... Just thought I'd ask...
Such talent!
Beautifule voce !
God bless you All Fahid augustin pervaiz from Lahore Pakistan
Bravo!!!!
"Opera Singers" have used "mics" The 3 tenors and other performances. Jonas Kaufmann has used them. Don't forget 200 years ago, the theaters were a lot smaller as was the orchestration. I am sure, Katherine Jenkins could sing in a small theater.
I will also say that even many opera singers use mics outside depending upon the venue and crowd size. Sound tends to get lost outside where it is quickly dispersed, but opera singers never use mics inside, except to be polite. I think there are some full operas here on yt where Pavarotti played a main role. I've seen them. He had no mic.
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Sunday 1st October 2006.
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2. #AveVerum
3. #AllThingsBrightAndBeautiful
4. #IVowTheeMyCountry
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She has a way with a hymn. I also like the duet with Bryn Terfel.
what about Luciano Pavarotti, andrea bocelli, heyley westenra. they also use microphones??
Katherine!
AMERICAN TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best thing that you can do to learn what an opera singer is, is to stop listening to crossover singers like Jenkins, Evancho, Groban, Bocelli, Potts, Brightman, Sissel, Westenra, etc. and only listen to opera singers for an hour or two each day. Then, go back listen to the crossover singers. You'll hear the difference if you have an ear for music and a discerning ear. Listen to Renee Fleming, Ruth Ann Swenson, Anna Netrebko, Lucia Popp, Diana Damrau, etc.
Oh, I almost forgot. Opera singers don't use microphones. They have very naturally powerful voices and are then trained to further project over top of a full orchestra. Jenkins uses microphones.
You're welcome Ron!
Perfect woman :)
Further, any opera singer can make a mistake and/or have a train wreck. They are human. I don't know of any singer, including met singers that have not made a mistake in a performance and most have had a train wreck. One mistake or train wreck doesn't mean that the singer uses bad technique. It simply means they're human. Even the best opera singers with the best technique have made and mistake and had a train wreck. Voice cracking is usually due to being over tired.
What is de song die Katherine sang at the beginning of this video? Before Dear Lord...
I think it is Vangelis - Chariots Of Fire, I tried to find this version on internet, but it must be under other name...
Many don't have this technique your talking about. Many do in fact sing with a lowered larynx.
For example, a girl as a teenager may be a soubrette (high light soprano youthful sounding), then may become a lyric or full lyric (high, light soprano, mature sounding) and then a dramatic ( lower, heavier voice), and finally may end up being a mezzo soprano ( low, heavy voice). I would be worried if Kaufman's voice sounded exactly the same as it did when he was in his 20's. No, opera singers don't lower their larynx, any singer that does that is not an opera singer.
Are you now saying that Placido Domingo and José Carreras weren't opera singers? If you are talking about an "un amplified voice" for a definition of an "opera singer" are you saying someone like Ethel Murman who sang broadway in the days it didn't use "mics" was an opera singer?
holy jesus she is fucking gorgeous
Where are you studying?
An opera singer is someone who sings with a certain technique (always producing his/her sound in head voice- Jenkins sings from the throat) and performs roles in operas. Listen to some real opera singers like Lucia Popp, Anna Netrebko, Diana Damrau, Natalie Dessay, Ruth Ann Swenson, etc. These women have all performed at the Met in NYC. You can hear the difference in voice production.
She is not an opera singer. She is a classical crossover singer. Why does she let the media misrepresent her?!!! People are going to think that opera singers really sing and sound like that.
Also, there are some full operas uploaded here on youtube. There are a couple that are good for people not familiar with opera. Here they are: /watch?v=bkzC8Y9m4Iw & /watch?v=Ld4z2nG0Gjo&list=WL67551B27864FFBDE & /watch?v=8OUrafVroho&list=WL67551B27864FFBDE When someone is as skeptical and non trusting as you are, the best thing for them to do is just experience it. I'm not saying this in a negative way. We shouldn't believe everything we read or are told. Give it a try:)
There are "opera singers" who don't sing with a certain "technique"
For example, Di Stefano sang open through the passaggio. Melocchi taught the lower larynx technique, where the person lowers the larynx way down to achieve a dramatic sound. Different then other singers.
Many "opera singers" have lost their voices.
So again what is an "Opera Singer"?
Since technique varies widely and many have lost their voice.
She didn't say what many have said she said. Here is what she said:
" People expect a classical singer to be big and fat "
She is talking about "people's expectation" and *THEIR* stereotypes. Its true. Many people do have those stereotypes, so she made sure her looks were not like this.
Its like when I show people Corelli for the first time. They are shocked to see a slim man with a huge voice. The stereotype is real.
You did. You said this about the 3 tenors:
"The three tenors, besides Pavarotti weren't opera singers."
You are saying they aren't opera singers. Are you now saying Pavarotti is *not* one? "
Also, just because a singer has a disaster, it doesn't mean that the disaster was caused by poor technique. Simply being overly tired can cause a disaster or taking the wrong role for your vocal type or over singing.
Here is Kaufmann's own words" Quote:
“It is true. In 1995 I started to change my technique completely. Until then I had sung as a very light tenor. It wasn’t even a lyrical tenor, it was really very, very light..
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OBVIOUSLY, Edgar, KJ is NOT from your neighborhood!!! She has a "past", and when she was "young and stupid" she acted "young and stupid", abusing drugs and alcohol. We who are her fans and admirers trust that she has matured beyond her youthful stupidity and going along with other member of the "young and stupid" mob. We who are her fans love her for what she has worked hard to accomplish over the past several years, and we rejoice over her financial and personal success. Long may she reign as an example of what can be accomplished by free people in a free land.
I will tell you one last time. An opera singer is a singer who has been classically trained, always sings in proper operatic head voice, and plays full operatic roles whether the singer takes care of his/her voice or not. I've already told you what an opera singer is, but you refuse to believe me, so why don't you call your local opera company or an accredited university music department and find out or ask one of the many classically trained singers here on youtube.
The reason people here are having trouble defining opera, is because, it is evolving as an art form, and has many different styles. Opera today was not what opera 200 years ago was, and in the past, they didn't have the technology we have today. Singers like Bocelli etc are an extension of opera in evolving technology, they might not "opera actors" but they are opera singers who sing arias from various operas.
Pavarotti is an opera singer and has played roles in full operas. He only uses a mic at classical crossover (which is what Jenkins is) concerts because those singers have to have mics. Bocelli and Westenra are not opera singers. They have not had classical training and have not been in any operas. They also don't produce their sound operatically. Instead, they sing from the throat.
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I have defined an opera singer for you several times. It is the same definition I've that trained singers here on youtube use, it is the same definition that professional opera critics use and it is the same definition that famous opera singers use when interviewed. I'm not going to repeat myself again and you are wrong about Kaufman's lowered larynx. He may have changed his technique, but he didn't lower his larynx. That would cause a swallowed sound, not a hoarse one.
Your absolutely rude. I never once even said I even liked KJ. I am merely pointing out the fallacy that many engage in. Opera is very difficult to define. It means 'works' and if it is theater what makes Broadway not opera? Is it the style?
I find it highly offensive the nature of many so called "opera fans" who go around trying to educate on things they no little about. For example, you alluded to Domingo not being an opera singer? Is that not right? How do you defend this??
You didn't read what I read. I read that Corelli had a "huge voice"
Of course there are opera singers that exercise poor technique, but you won't find them at the met. Those singers are held to the strictest standards. They have to have the entire package- a beautiful voice, impeccable technique, incredible acting ability, great diction, able to portray any emotion, etc. Any singer that lowers his/her larynx is not an opera singer because they are singing from the throat and not the head and would not be hired in any opera house.
Yes, in every genre there is correct basic technique, but the technique used for opera is different compared to other genres. Most opera singers have to study 10 years before they can get a role. I don't know of any rock singer that does that. Agreed that there is good and bad technique, but technique for a rock singer is much more simple than that of an opera singer.
I used to study music like Corelli but found most of the teachers that teach singing were actually wrecking the voice. The only way to know is by "hearing" and not by someone telling you "this is the way"--That doesn't work--at least not for me.
Well you tried to argue against Katherine Jenkins based on technique at first. Do you take this back? Having bad technique does not mean you are not an opera singer, and you seem to agree with this point now. Yes Rollando Villazon has poor tech and he has been at the MET.
KJ opera singer? No, they meant she may become opera Singer with years of training, and proper one.
There is no room for terms such as popera singer. It is like Spanglish. It is meant to be either Spanish or English. Sorry, black and white here. Singing opera professionally is not a joke. They who have taken voice lessons in classical singing, know what I mean.
One thing I do not understand is that people here make comments such as Kauffmann lowers his larynx and that seems to be terrible technique. What? Tell me one professional opera singer who does not lower their larynx (yes women have that thing too; we just do not see it on the outside). In fact, you take deep low breath, rib cage spreads, your internal organs push against your tail bone, your belly pops out quite a bit, chest does not move up, your larynx automatically drops (just make sure you do not push it down with the root of your tong).
You do not lower your larynx = you are not properly supporting your voice and you will ruin your voice sooner than later.
Opera and the meaning of the term is evolving. There are many forms, and opera a few hundred years ago was totally different. So what if a person today uses a mic? How is this not opera? Who is to say what style must be to be opera? 150 years ago technology was very different.
Saying she is not an opera singer is "wooden literalism" and makes no room for the evolution of the art itself.
Some good voice teachers will teach a simple modified opera technique simply so rock and pop singers can access their head and chest voices safely, project as opposed to yelling, etc. But the technique is simple and still not the same as an opera singer. Operatic technique is different than other genres period. Singers in every other genre sing from the throat. Opera singers never do that.
Any met singer who has a total voice breakdown has only him/her self to blame. They didn't take care of their instrument. As I've said before, any singer can lose their voice if they don't take care of it in any genre. I don't see what that has to do with anything?
Further, I never said that all opera singers have good technique, but just the same basic technique, beyond that, it could be poor. But, you will never find poor technique at the met. Yes, very light voices can change to heavy with age as the vocal chords change and mature. Many young women start off as light lyric sopranos in their 20's and end up with heavy mezzo voices in their mid-late 30's. It can and does happen with men too.
Most good singers who are trained "use the same basic technique"
Yes an "opera singer sings in operas" however, "opera" has changed. Which opera? Rossini, Bellini, Donizetti is far different than Verdi. In fact, styles changed so much that Caruso was booed when he sang Una Furtiva differently in Naples. Now so what is "opera?" Why is not Broadway "opera?" It used to be unamplified. What is making only a certain style "opera?"
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Right, but since the Verismo and the loud volume, singers are loosing their voices more and more. Show me Bjorling cracking? He didn't. Why? He knew his voice didn't have enough "spinto" to compete with large orchestration. That is not known today. You realize how many times I have seen 'cracking'? If anything, I am glad for Bocelli. The amplification is returning true bel canto. Very few singers are at Corelli's level to sing loud. "VERY FEW"
The following Link are OPERA disasters and many have been at the MET
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Here is another famous tenor cracking like no on has ever cracked and he has been at the MET
I never once said that Domingo is not an opera singer. I said that I think Domingo is a better opera singer than Pavarotti. I do apologize. One of my comments was rude. I hope you understand that I thought you might be one of many obsessed popera fans I've run into here on yt when you asked me to take back my statement. I honestly have been cyber stalked and harassed by fans that pretended to be civil at first.
Also, every singer is an individual, so there is no one size fits all technique that works with every singer, but every opera singer has the same basic operatic technique. There is a right way and a wrong way to vary the technique. A singer can have poor technique and no vocal breakdowns like Bocelli due to pure luck and/or because the singer isn't using any dangerous technique. Also, Bocelli has only sung maybe 3 classical songs and now sings them very rarely.
There are a few small and struggling opera houses that would take a singer with poor technique and a beautiful instrument in which much of the poor technique is hidden just out of desperation. But, extreme few and even they would not accept a throat singer that lowers his/her larynx. I think the metropolitan opera is qualified and able to identify when a singer is lowering his/her larynx and not hire him/her. The met is much more qualified than either of us will ever be.
Oh Hail "lowers her larynx" - no> she speak just like that. . no feigning her voice. She's a natural.
Your the one trying to correct people. What are you doing here if you don't like the singer? So now Jose Carreras isn't an opera singer? Can you defend this.
You are here acting like some kind of authority on the subject, so please defend your statements. When I mentioned the 3 tenors, you alluded to some of them not even being opera singers.
The three tenors, besides Pavarotti weren't opera singers. Opera singers sing in auditoriums that seat 1000's of people only use mic's once in a while outside or when singing with a crossover singer or in a situation where the host is musically ignorant and gives them one. Jenkins could only project to a few rows without a mic. She might be able to project well enough to a theater that seated 50 people. Maybe...
I have watched and studied music and opera for a very long time. You are wrong and you can't support what it is your arguing for. You are trying to "bully" others by telling them what they don't like is no good or not "opera" yet "opera" can't even be properly defined.
Katherine Jenkins/Andrea Bocelli are singing Operatic arias therefore they can be alluded to as "opera singers" Maybe not "opera performers" but they are "operatic"
If they have poor technique, it doesn't change this
Your claiming she is not an opera singer but you are not defining one. You at first tried to argue it was about "technique"
But that is not what defines an opera singer
Define "opera singer"
Tagliavini sang soft without a mic. Juan Diego Florez has a tiny voice. How can you say she can't sing without a mic? We don't know. She was trained and earned a teachers degree. Okay, let us suppose the voice is made to sound fuller. So what? Bjorling didn't sound like he did live. His voice was small live big on records. Nothing new. Where did she say opera singers were 'fat and ugly?'
Lowering of the larynx is exactly what Jenkins does (and Evancho) to produce the sound that people call operatic. No good voice teacher does that. It will ruin a voice. Any singer can lose his/her voice for a number of different reasons. They may over sing or in opera they might take a role that is not suited to their voice. They might have had bad training and the poor technique kills the voice. Some singers just don't take care of their instrument. Yes vocal technique does varies.
Right, and you don't know this, and it doesn't make some less an "opera" singer. 150 years ago, the theaters were a lot smaller and there were very light voices in opera.
Again, you alluded to 2 of the 3 tenors not being opera singers, can you now justify this statement?
You haven't "defined it" you tried to argue "technique" I responded that there is no one technique in opera that many singers have lost their voices. You tried to say it is "unamplified" to which I responded that many broadway singers used to sing this way before "mics" I am absolutely NOT WRONG on Jonas it is well known amongst teachers. He does have a "swallowed sound" at times.
Calling Katherine Jenkins an opera singer is an insult to all the hard work and training actual opera singers have to endure before debut. Opera singers are Anna Netrebko, Diana Damrau, Joyce Didonato among others. They work hard to make opera enjoyable to young aspirants and general audiences. This is not about snobbism is about RESPECT.
The day she performs a whole role in an Opera then she will have the right to be called an Opera singer.
Her voice is lovely for the pop songs she sings. She's more like a successor to Sarah Brightman than Renee Fleming. And that is a compliment. I love crossover singers like Bocelli, Groban, Sissel, Westenra. But none of them are opera singers nor they pretend to be.
I think the mistake is that of Sally Magnusson.
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Benjamin Davies what does where I am from has anything to do with the fact that she is not an opera singer? And if u dont believe me u'll find several professionals pointing this out on the internet. Even Kiri Te Kanawa has spoken not so fondly of popera singers like her.
Anyway, I hope you accept my apology. You have to understand that some of these fans are really crazy! I thought you were trying to get me to like KJ and manipulate my opinions. It's happened here before. Evancho's fans are the worst. I will be getting my master's degree in vocal performance and my teacher is a trained classical singer with her master's in music from Bowling Green. She is a mezzo soprano.
Lowering the larynx is what Jonas Kaufmann does. Its what Mario Del Monaco did. What Giuseppe Giacomini does. They are opera singers. There are teachers that do teach this. Not all of course. But it is nothing unique to "pop singers" or "crossover"
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No they don't. That is too broad. Many good singers use the same "basic technique" Not just opera. In fact, most singers today are training day and night, night and day to get their voices just right. Opera has been hijacked by this notion of huge orchestration. Why do you think Pavarotti cracked like he did? His voice was tiny and small. He didn't have a large voice. He should have followed Bjorling's way. Same for many today.
They are having train wrecks because they are trying to sing at an ungodly volume. They strain and they are human, just like Katherine Jenkins. However, I can show you rock singers that never have such happen. Does this mean they use better technique? They are human to. Again, singing is singing and good technique is good technique regardless style.
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There are voices in "opera" to hate. So the point is rather moot. I know the difference between opera and broadway, but you are forgetting that opera was always evolving and very different through the years, by what authority does one call a certain style "opera" and not the other? I can, because I don't adhere to this "wooden literalism" that is absurd
No. He was losing his voice and changed his "technique" even he admitted this. Before he had a very/very light voice. Now he pushes his larynx down, and he sounds hoarse or coarse. You can clearly here the technique he is using. A voice might thicken with age, but not sound so different. Like I said, many operatic performers have lost their voices. So you should stop thinking "opera = good tech" Not so. Some times, yes it does. So what is an opera singer? The definition on one?
Yes, all opera singers use the same basic technique. That is part of it. The other part is that an opera singer sings in operas. Jenkins has never and will never sing in an opera.
What are you talking about. Franco Corelli talked about the dangers of the lowered larynx, something that some opera singers do. Jonas Kaufmann for example, sounds nothing like he did years ago. He is ramming his larynx down to get that sound.
Also, Just because one sings Opera doesn't mean they are using good technique. I already pointed out singers who used poor technique and or lost their voice.
For example, shallow breathing, is poor technique, but it's not dangerous. Lowering the larynx, jaw vibrato, straining to hit notes, etc. is all very dangerous technique. I'm actually very concerned that you seem to be getting a lot of misinformation from your voice teacher. I'd ask this teacher for his/her credentials and if he/she can only point back to another teacher without an accredited vocal degree, I would run.
Like I said there are a great many bad "opera singers" what we are looking for is a definition on what an "opera singer" actually is. Rolando Villazon has horrible technique. In fact Bocelli hasn't had a total voice breakdown like Rolando did. Ben Heppner has had vocal problems. Peter Hoffman lost his voice and sang rock music.
I am not talking about "good singers" vs "bad singers' that is in all different fields of music. But the definition on what an "opera singer" is.
Let me tell you something. There are very few Corelli's and very few Tuckers. Very few. Voices that huge and that big can't be manufactured. You can train and train and get the skills going, but they are just very unique. Kaufmann, whom I have seen, I am sure, has a tiny voice. Small. Horrible. Do you not realize, its not the Katherine Jenkins and Andrea Bocelli who are ruining opera, its the voices of today! They are worse! Sure Bocelli needs a mic, but so what? Corelli loved his voice.
I am in total and complete disagreement. Kaufman's voice has matured. Classical voices can and do change throughout the years. Many opera singers aren't even the same vocal type after their voice completely matures. A classical voice doesn't mature until the singer is well into his/her 30's. Up until that time, the voice can change and singer may be a number of different vocal types until it matures and settles. Voices also thicken with age. This would explain the difference in Kaufman.
Yes you do. Jonas Kaufmann has horrible technique. Di Stefano didn't sing like an ordinary opera singer, he sang "open" through his higher notes. There are a number of singers who have also lost their voices who have sung their. Rollando Villazon has horrid technique and had lost his voice and always sounds hoarse when he talks. He is returning to the MET, he has sung there.
Finally, some of the singers in those vids may have been overly tired. A couple were clearly drunk. Some may have taken roles not suited to their vocal types. Have you ever seen an actual opera? How many opera singers have you really taken the time to listen? Jenkins' technique is just about the worst out there. She slaughters arias and makes mockery of the operatic repertoire. She needs to stick to pop and get her larynx out of her toes. She just doesn't have the talent in the first place.
Jenkins is not an opera singer. She has not the talent, training or range to ever dream of being one. No, I don't take anything back, nor will I be manipulated by you. No, Kaufman's technique is not poor. You are just musically ignorant.
Look I just showed a dozen opera singers have disasters. Is that what you call talent? You admitted many do have poor technique. I showed that some do perform at the MET. Your claim is what now?
Even Pavarotti cracked his voice numerous times from strain. Again, technique is not always what defines an opera singer.
Jonas Kaufmann, many do not find his voice or tech correct, and he will loose his voice again the coming years.
This tells me that you don't know that much about music. If you were really studying opera 1. you would hate Jenkins voice and understand that she is just a horrible popera singer, 2. you would know the difference between opera and broadway, and 3. you would understand why opera singers are forced to use mics under certain circumstances. 4. If Kaufman's voice is small, than Bocelli's is microscopic. Goodbye
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I am in total and complete disagreement. Kaufman's voice has matured. Classical voices can and do change throughout the years. Many opera singers aren't even the same vocal type after their voice completely matures. A classical voice doesn't mature until the singer is well into his/her 30's. Up until that time, the voice can change and singer may be a number of different vocal types until it matures and settles. Voices also thicken with age. This would explain the difference in Kaufman.