It's crazy that I never really thought of the philosophy and psychology associated with desire this way. Desire at its core is a felt "lack" experienced by humans, and an attempt to fill that lack of our own accord is us simultaneously acknowledging our lack of trust/faith in God. It seems so simple and yet is not often talked about.
This is so good. I have been struggling with my faith and attitude toward the hardships I am facing. It is hard to discern whether the turbulent times I am facing are there because I am simply desiring something I should not and am feeling the temptation to sin, or if it is something more like an opportunity from God for me to grow my faith, and I have recently found myself becoming resentful towards God. But you guys so clearly lay out that all good tests are from God, and that really helps me to not only have faith in him but also see and be honest with myself and know that some of what I am going through could be alleviated by me recognizing my own nature and making an effort to turn away from it, and also that God is only testing me for my benefit so that I may become better. Thanks guys.
I definitely feel like when the Lord says to forgive others and then he forgives us, it's so that we do not become hard-hearted and refuse to be forgiving and merciless! It's actually trying to put us in a position to teach us how to soften our hearts and love others unconditionally, just like he has asked us to do in love thy neighbor as you love thyself. And it's the same as he loves us. I feel like he always wants to forgive us no matter what. But in this particular case I feel like he's also putting us in a position to learn a lesson!
I wonder if the choice of word with Abraham was because up to that point Avraham had continued to fail and fail and abuse HIS promises or trust and so was a place to see if just for once he would take HIM at HIS word as he did taking him to see the stars and counting them. Curious on thoughts ^.^ Tested vs tempted is what helped me with English but for sure the Greek is way way more beautiful and nuanced. Thank you guys for sharing and all you do! Total blessing, Shalom Shalom fam!
A test reveals to us helpfully what we know, what we have just learned, what is tried and true, and what is yet to be learned and practiced. Ahhhh haaaaaa❤
Interesting statement: God gives good things, though sometimes a thing might not look or feel good. He said, "What father among you will give your son a snake when he asks for a fish." Sometimes He gives a fish that looks like a snake.
The apparent tension between Jesus unconditional forgiveness on the cross and the Lord's Prayer's conditional forgiveness dissolves when understanding God's initiatory forgiveness. Jesus' teachings emphasize cultivating a forgiving heart, reflecting God's mercy and love. Unforgiveness blocks our relationship with God, not His willingness to forgive. Let's consider some scripture here: - God forgives us FIRST, not because we've earned it, but because of HIS love (1 John 1:9; Rom 5:8). - Our forgiveness is a response to His mercy, demonstrating our understanding of His character. - Unforgiveness creates spiritual obstacles, hindering our connection with God (Matt 5:23-24). - Forgiveness frees us from resentment, reflecting God's gracious nature. Remember, this is not quid-pro-quo, forgiveness doesn't EARN salvation; it's a natural response to experiencing God's forgiveness. As we grasp God's initiatory forgiveness, may our hearts overflow with mercy, loving others BECAUSE He loves us.
No. indeed THIS CANNOT BE THE CASE for we can ONLY meaningfully forgive others AFTER WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN for our unforgiveness by confessing it as sin that we might repent of it and BE CLEANSED the legalistic abuse of this bible passage is among the cruelest teachings of the backslidden and legalistic church there is and biblical context requires this, for "we love only because he first loved us"; moreover "those who walk in the flesh CANNOT submit themselves to the law of God "( ie forgiving others) if his grace does not come first we are al damned
I see zero love in your reply. I actually thought valid points were made that are worthy of consideration and discretion. I would love to expound, and I could, but I must tame my tongue and whittle my own beam. God bless you. Grow in grace and mercy. Love your neighbors even if it kills you. What a way to go! @CL-nk9gu
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Really enjoyed the explanation for test vs trap, thank you.
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Fascinating. And great song version, Sean Bullo.
It's crazy that I never really thought of the philosophy and psychology associated with desire this way. Desire at its core is a felt "lack" experienced by humans, and an attempt to fill that lack of our own accord is us simultaneously acknowledging our lack of trust/faith in God. It seems so simple and yet is not often talked about.
This is so good. I have been struggling with my faith and attitude toward the hardships I am facing. It is hard to discern whether the turbulent times I am facing are there because I am simply desiring something I should not and am feeling the temptation to sin, or if it is something more like an opportunity from God for me to grow my faith, and I have recently found myself becoming resentful towards God. But you guys so clearly lay out that all good tests are from God, and that really helps me to not only have faith in him but also see and be honest with myself and know that some of what I am going through could be alleviated by me recognizing my own nature and making an effort to turn away from it, and also that God is only testing me for my benefit so that I may become better. Thanks guys.
Beautiful singing!!!😊
Love this episode!
I definitely feel like when the Lord says to forgive others and then he forgives us, it's so that we do not become hard-hearted and refuse to be forgiving and merciless! It's actually trying to put us in a position to teach us how to soften our hearts and love others unconditionally, just like he has asked us to do in love thy neighbor as you love thyself. And it's the same as he loves us. I feel like he always wants to forgive us no matter what. But in this particular case I feel like he's also putting us in a position to learn a lesson!
Loved this Thankyou🥰
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Loved the song Shaun ❤
I wonder if the choice of word with Abraham was because up to that point Avraham had continued to fail and fail and abuse HIS promises or trust and so was a place to see if just for once he would take HIM at HIS word as he did taking him to see the stars and counting them. Curious on thoughts ^.^
Tested vs tempted is what helped me with English but for sure the Greek is way way more beautiful and nuanced.
Thank you guys for sharing and all you do! Total blessing, Shalom Shalom fam!
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A test reveals to us helpfully what we know, what we have just learned, what is tried and true, and what is yet to be learned and practiced. Ahhhh haaaaaa❤
Thank you for sharing this perspective with us!
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Thank you, gentlemen. I'm glad I waited to the end of this to get the forgiveness question answered. ❤
47:30 no way I’m from BOWLING GREEN KENTUCKY LOL ❤❤
Interesting statement: God gives good things, though sometimes a thing might not look or feel good. He said, "What father among you will give your son a snake when he asks for a fish." Sometimes He gives a fish that looks like a snake.
The apparent tension between Jesus unconditional forgiveness on the cross and the Lord's Prayer's conditional forgiveness dissolves when understanding God's initiatory forgiveness.
Jesus' teachings emphasize cultivating a forgiving heart, reflecting God's mercy and love. Unforgiveness blocks our relationship with God, not His willingness to forgive.
Let's consider some scripture here:
- God forgives us FIRST, not because we've earned it, but because of HIS love (1 John 1:9; Rom 5:8).
- Our forgiveness is a response to His mercy, demonstrating our understanding of His character.
- Unforgiveness creates spiritual obstacles, hindering our connection with God (Matt 5:23-24).
- Forgiveness frees us from resentment, reflecting God's gracious nature.
Remember, this is not quid-pro-quo, forgiveness doesn't EARN salvation; it's a natural response to experiencing God's forgiveness.
As we grasp God's initiatory forgiveness, may our hearts overflow with mercy, loving others BECAUSE He loves us.
"You're not of God!" **Proceed to worship Ceasar instead of God.**
No. indeed THIS CANNOT BE THE CASE
for we can ONLY meaningfully forgive others AFTER WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN for our unforgiveness by confessing it as sin that we might repent of it and BE CLEANSED
the legalistic abuse of this bible passage is among the cruelest teachings of the backslidden and legalistic church there is
and biblical context requires this, for "we love only because he first loved us"; moreover "those who walk in the flesh CANNOT submit themselves to the law of God "( ie forgiving others)
if his grace does not come first we are al damned
Well, okay then
and poor Al@@johnwashburn3793
I see zero love in your reply. I actually thought valid points were made that are worthy of consideration and discretion. I would love to expound, and I could, but I must tame my tongue and whittle my own beam. God bless you. Grow in grace and mercy. Love your neighbors even if it kills you. What a way to go! @CL-nk9gu
Discussion, not discretion