Minnesota Wild extend Jake Middleton; what to make of free agent signings

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  • @Too-Odd
    @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Guerin signed his guys, but the same money could have brought Vlad Tarasenko, Brenden Dillon, Patrick Kane, and Gustav Nyquist last year. These are aged stars, but they were actual stars and all have played well. Minnesota has taken cast-offs and role-players and paid them like aged stars.
    As I stated last offseason, the only free agent rental that the Wild should have re-signed was Nyquist, and he had a great season - for Nashville. He may not have wanted to come back to a cap-strapped team like the Wild, but it didn't look like the Wild had the interest in him that they should have. It didn't help that Nyquist wasn't given top line minutes either.

  • @wubsworld8946
    @wubsworld8946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Middleton is a #6 shoehorned into #4 minutes and will next year be making #4 money.
    Billy G is carrying the Torch for this Franchise twirling 360° in the First Round revolving door.. picking outside of the top 10.. overpaying 4th LINE free agents.. hiring friends first rather than competence..
    It's nice to hear (imo)a bit of a shift in your guys' realistic forecasting of this team.
    A lot of SOLID points, Jess and Judd
    ' Just a friendly reminder that Brodin will be 31years old in 9 days, btw. '
    The Wild have a Superstar(Kaprizov) in an era within which their Division is also the weakest its been in over 2 decades and this is how its going..
    Fun fun fun.

    • @arcadeshift5071
      @arcadeshift5071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Middleton is a 4 if he's paired with a healthy Spurgeon. The cap will keep going up 5%/yr for the next several years. His contract will look fine in 2-3 years, even if he's on the 3rd pair.

    • @wubsworld8946
      @wubsworld8946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@arcadeshift5071 you deserve this

    • @arcadeshift5071
      @arcadeshift5071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@wubsworld8946 deserve what?

    • @JayJulo
      @JayJulo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@arcadeshift5071the mediocrity

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@arcadeshift5071 The contract was a huge overpay in both dollars and length. Middleton was exposed last season for what he was, a third pair defenseman.

  • @Dan-ni7sq
    @Dan-ni7sq 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    People that are thinking there will be a bunch of money to spend in 25 will be surprised.
    Right now with a 92mm cap they have 27.5 with 14 players signed. The leaves 5 rfa to sign, Brock, Declan, Marco, Maret and Jesper that will eat up most of that. They'll likely have about 10mm for the last two players.
    Billy should be on the hot seat, five years in and no playoff wins, missed twice, not a great record

    • @wubsworld8946
      @wubsworld8946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Dan-ni7sq preach, King.

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He makes the same mistakes as Fletcher.

    • @wubsworld8946
      @wubsworld8946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Too-Odd yeah. It must all trickle up to the Owner because all the GM's do the same shit.

    • @ipodo36
      @ipodo36 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Man Hockey Wilderness or whatever had a great right up about how winning teams spend their money and boy Billy boy just don't get it. We had money but when you go and resign vet's and friends and then over pay to keep them my god it's them same Team up and down the line up ohh and then the No Trade Clauses ugh BG go back to Pittsburgh!

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ipodo36 Guerin thinks that if he pays players he brought in a lot of cash, he can convince the Wild fans that they are good players. This group has shown it isn't even in the same class and Dallas, Colorado, Vegas, or Edmonton, and that's just the West.

  • @TheBoardandThebord
    @TheBoardandThebord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The trenton contract seems like a lot for a checking 3rd line forward. more likely 4th line.
    I want to see the young guys. Hockey more than ever is becoming a young sport.

  • @jasongallagher6845
    @jasongallagher6845 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Where the f is the runway for the young guys to come in? They draft like rock stars but field a team with little to offer and block these guys from coming up together. We can be bad for a year or so this was the perfect time to do so. I hate it and it's disappointing to fans especially

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Expect Kaprizov to walk. The Wild keep re-signing players that got them nowhere.

  • @iT3K
    @iT3K 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lines please
    Kaprizov - Ek - Boldy
    Ohgren - Rossi - Haight
    Johansson - Khusnitdinov - Zucarello
    Gaudreau - Trenin - Hartman
    Brodin - Faber
    Spurgeon - Middleton
    Chisholm - Bogosian

    • @travzimmerman1340
      @travzimmerman1340 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haight? Or did you mean Riley Heidt? Also, I don't think Chisholm is under contract although Guerin has submitted a QO. Hartman was 4th on the team in goals with 21 so I wouldn't bury that on the 4th line.

    • @iT3K
      @iT3K 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@travzimmerman1340 Yeah I meant Heidt, but Hartman is a greasy guy and I’m all for the youth movement. This isn’t my prediction just what I would like to see with some youth.

  • @Carl_Black
    @Carl_Black 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Let's go Middsey!

  • @urban_89
    @urban_89 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Up until free agency started i seen Billy's plan. Rn i got nothin unless theres multiple trades coming b4 opening night

  • @cd_anders
    @cd_anders 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    AJ with the metaphors!!!

  • @signalboost9636
    @signalboost9636 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Somebody on twitter pointed out that within the next 2 seasons most NMCs either expire or turn into 15 team protection
    The fact is this roster is built to be shredded if Kirill doesnt resign here

  • @NathanMuckala-gb7is
    @NathanMuckala-gb7is 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Judd i will show up at the x with pittchforks with you if the wild trade for liane

  • @imthecloser111
    @imthecloser111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Judd clearly has a blind spot for Guerin. It's ok to be critical Judd. The roster as it stands today sucks. Ask yourself this, what reason has Guerin given Kirill to re-sign here? I want him to stay but if Kirill decides it's best for his career to move on there is not 1 person here that should be mad at him. The Wild have been wasting prime years of his career.

    • @arcadeshift5071
      @arcadeshift5071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Explain how the Wild could've built a better contender when Kaprizov arrived a year before Parise and Suter got bought out? They made the playoffs 2/3 buyout years so far. They had a 100 pt season and choked vs Dallas. There are zero teams in the league that could build a deep playoff contender during these buyouts. In the meantime, they gave him an 'A', drafted some Russians, and made sure he's treated as a leader. Kaprizov will stay if he believes in Yurov, Heidt, Buium, and a FA strategy next summer.

    • @imthecloser111
      @imthecloser111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@arcadeshift5071 It's the GM's job to figure it out. How is it Kirill's problem that the Wild are in cap hell? His job is to play hockey. It's Guerin's job to surround him with talent. He hasn't done that.

    • @arcadeshift5071
      @arcadeshift5071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@imthecloser111 I never said it was Kaprizov's fault, ya dolt. THERE'S NO CAP SPACE TO ADD SUPERIOR TALENT. Why don't you understand that? There's no "figure it out." The team's two options were to re-sign no vets and do a soft rebuild, or keep mid-level players during the cap penalties. That's it. The team has drafted well during the penalties. Not re-signing Middleton, Foligno, Hartman, Zuccarello (his best buddy), etc is fine, but Kaprizov for sure wouldn't stay if the team was a bottom 5 lottery team the past two years.

    • @jaarc1437
      @jaarc1437 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@arcadeshift5071who's fault is that

    • @bobholst874
      @bobholst874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Overpaying old vets on 4 year terms is a first class ticket to last place. By game 12, Carcus Johansson and Freddy will be per.anwnt fixtures in the press box with Pylon John! Thank God Frosty The Slow Man won't be back. Maybe Dallas might like to retread GOAL-O-COUGH-SKY too!

  • @Too-Odd
    @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jake Middleton was a huge overpay. He is getting a larger paycheck than free agent Brenden Dillon who is a much better defenseman. Bill Guerin must not be watching this team or looking at the analytics. How many times do we have to watch an opposing player get around the out of position Middleton and see his name and numbers watching a goal? I guess we will have four more years of that.

  • @cjnelson669
    @cjnelson669 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we could get Laine for like a 1st round draft pick and Gus for Laine I would like that. He would fit right into that second line and would add more grit with Laine being 6,6 and being with JEE and Boldy would be a power line.
    Kaprizov Rossi Khusnodinov
    Boldy JEE Laine
    Hartman Yurov Zuccarello
    Foligno Stramel Ohgren
    Faber Brodin
    Buium Middleton
    Bogosian Lambos
    Wallstedt and Fleury
    If Fleury wants to stay, I wouldn’t mind him backing up Wallstedt. I think he would be a good mentor and he would only have to play 20-30 games which I think he could still do good for us having a smaller work load like that.
    Also if we could get Boeser or Zegras I would take either of them over Laine but I wouldn’t mind Laine if that makes sense.

  • @bobholst874
    @bobholst874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Dallas buys out Suter and RETREADS DUMBA!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @lucasamborn5597
    @lucasamborn5597 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The price is fine

    • @samweller96
      @samweller96 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I agree with that. The problem is the number of roster spots that are taken up, and blocking prospects from playing.

    • @arcadeshift5071
      @arcadeshift5071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      which prospects are currently blocked? ​@@samweller96

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I disagree. It was an overpay. It was more than Brenden Dillon got as a UFA, and Dillon is a much better player.

  • @rickmeisch643
    @rickmeisch643 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The three complainers and the season is a mile away! You guys are really going to make the hockey season go

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      All fans complain except Kool Aid drinkers.

  • @lethalmigraine9009
    @lethalmigraine9009 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Punch me in the face bro, why would Ohgren be in the opening lineup? What has he done? I was at the Seattle game. He was horrible.
    The opening night lineup should be:
    1. Kaprizov-Khusnutdinov-Hartman
    2. Zuccarello-Eriksson Ek-Boldy
    3. Haight-Rossi-Heidt (Ohgren isn't ready. I want to see what Haight and Heidt can do)
    4. Lauko-Gaudreau-Trenin
    1. Brodin-Faber
    2. Spurgeon-Bogosian
    3. Chishom/Merrill-Middleton
    Wallstedt every home game but back-to-back
    Fleury every road game but back-to-back

    • @dennybarlau8065
      @dennybarlau8065 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After looking at your line up,
      First off, Marat is not a first line center,and why would you break up,the most productive line in the NHL,they avg 4 points
      Per game, Kaprizov Ek Boldy, you don't fix what isn't broken,
      Your 3rd line is really our second line, and let's not forget our new player Graeme Clark, All in All I have to say this
      WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING
      IF you would like to discuss your line up,
      My show is every Sunday at noon, with Locked on Wild

    • @lethalmigraine9009
      @lethalmigraine9009 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dennybarlau8065
      1. after the all star break the Wild had the easiest schedule in hockey. If you actually look at the statistical breakdown of the roster, the only player who actually got better after the all star break was Kaprizov. or, if you're like me, actually attend games and the stat breakdown just backs up what I saw, Kaprizov did absolutely everything, and it didn't matter who his linemates were, they were going to get points by just being there.
      2. Marat is most definitely a #1 center. Everything you think Ek is good at, Marat is better. I don't know anything about you, how old you are, your hockey experience, how much hockey you actually watch, but Marat is the closest thing to Pavel Datsyuk the league has had sine Datsyuk retired. That's how good he legitimately is.
      3. Graeme Clark could be good, but he needs to start the season in the AHL. Wild are loaded with prospects that they actually drafted and need to see what they actually have.

  • @JJ............................
    @JJ............................ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    People saying to play the young guys, but if these prospects can't beat out Bogosian, Merrill, Freddy, or NoJo then that's a problem. Guerin has shown that he wants the prospects to work for a roster spot as seen with Rossi, Boldy, and Faber. That's why he extended Hartman, Foligno, and now Midsy.

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I would have traded or cut loose Foligno and Middleton. Scrappy unskilled players do not win playoff games. Scrappy skilled players do.

    • @drow04
      @drow04 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The problem with saying if that prospects can't beat out guys like MOJO, Freddy, and Hartman is that they are on one way deals with no move clauses. They are being blocked because of contracts not because those players are performing better than the prospects.

    • @JJ............................
      @JJ............................ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@drow04 NoJo has a NTC and Freddy has a modified NTC. Even if they can't find a buyer for either, Guerin could easily do what the Rangers did with Goodrow by putting one of them on waivers. If they clear, they are still stuck paying them, but they end up in Iowa. Right now, the only guy who's been down in Iowa long enough is Walker after trading Beckman. They also haven't seen enough from any of their d-prospects to even consider the possibility of buying out Merrill and that's also why they extended Middleton and Bogosian.
      Hartman has a NMC, but all that means is he controls his destination. If he wants to stay in MN, then they can't do anything about that. I highly doubt he'd reject a trade to Vegas or some other Cup contender. He still has value as a top-6 winger or third line center.

    • @JJ............................
      @JJ............................ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Too-Odd Then who do you replace them with? Clearly none of the guys in Iowa are a viable replacement otherwise they would have called them up. Heidt just signed his ELC a few months ago. They gave Middleton an extension because they haven't seen enough from any of their d-prospects in Iowa to even consider any of them as an improvement over him. They could have bought out Merrill, but didn't because they wanted to see more from guys like O'Rourke, Lambos, Hunt, Spacek, and Peart before giving them a roster spot for free.

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JJ............................ Dillon, Tarasenko, Kane, and any number of $4 million players. Foligno and Middleton are not good players.

  • @colinfischer5534
    @colinfischer5534 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Slow news day huh

    • @nicholasmarshall8430
      @nicholasmarshall8430 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its wednesday, they do this every wednesday.

  • @NathanMuckala-gb7is
    @NathanMuckala-gb7is 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like middleton but whatever happend to the youth movement

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Middleton was awful last season. If any rookie would play that poorly, he would be sent to Iowa or traded, but Bill brought Middleton in with a trade, and almost every trade he made has soured.

  • @ruttybuck1825
    @ruttybuck1825 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So hard to listen to all the contradictions here. "Wild need to do whatever they can to convince Kirill to stay, Wild shouldn't be trying to win now".

  • @andrewgraebner6791
    @andrewgraebner6791 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't believe Billy anymore. I don't understand what he is doing. Why can't we get a GM who seriously is committed to building a Championship team.

  • @sneakybucket978_8
    @sneakybucket978_8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think they are fine with just being mediocre

    • @travzimmerman1340
      @travzimmerman1340 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As long as the Xcel Center is full = Mission Accomplished

  • @lethalmigraine9009
    @lethalmigraine9009 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wild have no cap space next year. 14 players already signed. 27 million of cap space. Faber is going to get 8 x 8.25, Rossi will command 8 x 7.5, and Khusnutdinov will command 3 x 4. 7 million dollars left to sign 6 guys? The franchise is going nowhere.

  • @lethalmigraine9009
    @lethalmigraine9009 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jake Middleton is a 3rd pairing, play 2 out of 3 games, healthy scratch guy. 4.35 million for him is disgusting.

  • @schustererik83
    @schustererik83 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well this sucks. . . . .another 4 years of mediocrity

    • @travzimmerman1340
      @travzimmerman1340 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think you meant another 24 years

    • @schustererik83
      @schustererik83 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@travzimmerman1340 probably

  • @tylerandersen8142
    @tylerandersen8142 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm sorry gurin needs to go

  • @zamboniclean
    @zamboniclean 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This organization is a joke. Go T-Wolves

  • @devinperteet6255
    @devinperteet6255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    drinking buddies

  • @lucasamborn5597
    @lucasamborn5597 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    U people hate the wild

    • @heatgrimm8664
      @heatgrimm8664 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mild

    • @imthecloser111
      @imthecloser111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The have zero playoff series wins under Guerin. He has been worse than Fletcher.

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@imthecloser111 He is Fletcher 2.0 in almost every way.

    • @Too-Odd
      @Too-Odd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We love the wild; that is why we have higher goals and expectations than Bill Guerin.