🇨🇦Some interesting mockups came from Avro Canada. There was the CF-103. A swept wing version of the CF-100 Canuck. There was a mockup of the CF-105 Arrow. One of the most futuristic mockups of all times was the Avro Project Y. A vertical takeoff tail sitting jet fighter in the shape of a spade. Propulsion was revolutionary too. Technology captured from Germany after the war. A gentleman by the name of Jack Frost headed up the project.🇨🇦
20:30 what a huge loss to aviation when Lockheed exited the airliner industry, one can only imagine what could have been had this beauty entered service (no RR engines, thank you). The L-1011 is still one of my favorite aircraft and my Boeing test pilot and engineering friends still tell me what an excellent design it was. Love your content Mr Machat!
I agree 100% on the L-1011 - loved flying on those! Being a McDonnell Douglas guy deeply involved in the DC-10, I always considered the L-1011 as a very significant aircraft from an engineering standpoint. Thanks for watching!
🇨🇦 One other Avro Canada machine that had some fantastic mockups and artist concept drawings were for the Avrocar and the Silver Bug being developed for the U.S. Army. 🇨🇦
I don't know how you do it Mike - an interesting, novel, beautifully illustrated and well researched post is always guaranteed with you! Thanks as always.
I got to see several mockups get built in the course of my career. I always loved seeing them come together as drawings were converted into a 3 dimensional object. A lot of design problems got captured during that work, too! Special thanks for the image of the inside of the Long Beach Douglas plant. I worked there as an intern, in a room not far from the drafting offices seen in the photo. That really brought back some memories.
Fun stuff. The first RQ-4's were white. And that's looks like San Diego in the back ground. Mock ups are fun to build and a lot can be learned from them. I had the opportunity to build a mockup of the Darpa Tier II plus . It was a lot of work only a few guys working on it. Two were engineers. We worked 15 to 16 hrs a day for 2 months to build it. Wood,foam, fiberglass were used .sub contractors had mockups of there sub systems which really helped finish it off. Unfortunately, we lost the competition ,so Northrop bought Ryan . It was hard work but fun to create ,and work with a small team of talented guys.
A real grand slam of a presentation Mike. It just keeps getting better and better. Always a joy to watch these very informative videos. Great photos too.
OK. Ya got me, Mike. I thought the X-47B @ frame [25:02] was a real airplane because of the puddle of JP-5 on the ramp under the starboard wing... Clever of the photo crew to set the subject over the wet spot for that effect. And the Buff at Palmdale, I thought was a mockup because of the white stuff around the inboard engines. But I should have known better, since I live in Tucson, and I've seen that white shrink wrap on all the birds at DM to keep packrats out. Great show again.
Always great to see new videos, Mike. This is an especially cool one. So many concepts that were built in mockup form, but never went any further. The Boeing SST and the X-20 Dyna-Soar are two examples of ones that should have been completed and flown. In the case of the X-20, the actual airframe was more than 50 percent completed when the program was cancelled. It, along with the mockup, were destroyed. What a waste.
In 1969 the Gates LearJet corporation began development of a medium sized twin engined executive helicopter they called the LearCopter. It was a good ten years ahead of its time, but was cancelled because of the recession of the early '70s, never progressing past the mockup stage. I lived in a small town southwest of Wichita back then, and I happened to see that mockup in a junkyard south of town.
Thank you for another wonderful video post Mr Machat! I didn't know all the things that went into making mock-ups. Fascinating and educational as always. Yup, I'm a Gloo Trooper! Love your videos, they're the best. As always God bless you and yours. Thanks again for everything you do! Take care always Sir!
Thank you Mike for yet another awesome video. As an industrial designer, I this subject especially fascinating. I had the chance to work as a designer on a development of a flying boat about 10 years ago, a project that ended up as a scaled 3D print. From what I heard, when filming the Darkstar mock-up, some Chinese or Russian satellites changed their course in order to photograph this model, since they thought it was a real thing. One could also mention the pretty good looking Russian Checkmate, designed to attract new clients to the Russian Aerospace industry. Last but not least, the funny story of the Iranian F-313 Qaher, that was also shown in flight, although thanks to bad photoshop skills, it was obvious that the in flight photo, was a cut-out of the mock-up in the studio. Yes. The flying mock-up reflected the same lights of the one in the studio. Cant wait for your next video!
Around 2000, I took a vacation roadtrip down to the Orlando, Florida area. I stopped in at the Warbird Museum at the airport in Kissimmee, just south of Orlando. They actually rebuilt wrecked warbirds, and worked on others. They also had some old historical planes, including Wrong Way Corrigan's famous plane. Against one wall in the hanger, were several plywood mockup fuselages of Spitfires used for ground scenes in the movie "Battle Of Britain"! Pretty cool. And if you watch carefully in "Tora, Tora, Tora", you can tell the taxiing P-40B that gets blown up is a mockup. The fuselage was fabric over steel tube frame, while the real P-40 was all metal.
Excellent video as usual, Mike! I got really impressed by the F-14 Mockup! Amazing. I was resposible for the ERJ-170 and 190 wooden fuselage mockup on several Embraer roadtrips in 4 continents (Farnborough and Le Bourget Air shows included) before their first flight. Too bad the mockus are now all electronics, although I had my share of electronic Mock-up virtual visit to the ERJ-170 when I worked for Embraer, using virtual glasses. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Brazil.
I'll have to tell that story in a separate video. Like many mergers, the Fairchild Republic story was not a happy one, and the perfect storm of a WWII-era factory, cost overruns, technical and manufacturing problems and many other factors led to the Air Force lose all hope and cancel the program. That was the end of the company in October 1987.
Tony and Craig! The core of IPMS Space Park in the 80s! If you guys watch this: Greetings from Robert Arance! One interesting mock-up was the "stealth bomber" built for a Honda commercial in the late 80s. Caused a bit of a stir as it premiered before the official release of the B-2. Built at Agua Dulce Air Park (I saw part of the construction, the basic framework on landing gear, as I would stop by the airport when I worked at a test facility nearby), it was dismantled and shipped to Florida for the filming. Honda donated the mock-up to the SAC museum where it was on display for a few years. I tried posting a link to more info, but then my post does not show up =/ Google south dakota air space museum
Your content is really first rate and your mix of models and the real aircraft are very interesting. While at the Chino Planes of fame Museum I discovered an X-2 in pieces on the back lot. Turns out it was the mock-up used in the Sci-Fi Quantum Leap show, had me fooled.
I was proud of myself again when I got the *first* of the "real or mockup" quiz questions correct. I subsequently got *all* of the remaining quiz questions wrong. Thanks again for the fun video Mike Machat.
as a former McDonnell Douglas guy, I know that Douglas had a historian.. in fact, it was Harry Gann for a while. He took a lot of photos of Douglas's aircraft, so was presumably inclined to preserve a lot of the company's historic photos. I'm just guessing that this was typical for other companies in the industry.
Thank you sir 🙂..ever since I saw my first Air force F-100 super saber fly low and fast while my late Momma was holding me in her arms as an eighteen month old baby when she was hanging out the laundry on the line in our backyard in Atlanta Georgia..I have been fascinated by aviation history
We love the beautiful presentation drawings . Unfortunately, Government officials who wove the paper designs more than the work of understand practicality and reality.. My first concern is "Does it work." My second concern is Will it be sufficiently designed to be modified and adoptive. My last but most fervent concern is "is it pretty?' I wonder if our current military arranges their priorities in the opposite?
Any chance of a short follow-up... "where are they now?" for these mock-ups? I'm guessing that they are either in museums or a landfill, unfortunately. As an engineer, I've worked on various projects that never got beyond the prototype phase, and had to throw a lot of work into the circular file. Not a great feeling, so I can't imagine what it's like to have to tear apart some of these huge mock-ups!
The Boeing SST mockup was on display in Florida for many years, then was sold when the museum went under, and was converted to a church! When I first saw it, the mockup was sitting outside of the church, and I was able to go inside and sit down in First Class. I believed the mockup was to be scrapped, but later found it at the Hiller Air Museum in California. Unfortunately, the mockup was taken off display, but as far as I know, they still own it, and hopefully will eventually put it back on public display.
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Glad I had some input about the SST mockup. I actually have a small souvenir from that. One of the First Class row markers. That sits on my shelf right next to a piece of the Valley Forge from Silent Running.
It's not just aircraft. Mockups are common in the auto industry. Both interior and exterior. Even in todays world of CAD drawings and design sometimes the digital just doesn't convey reality.
Yes, excellent point and should have mentioned that. Being a Corvette and Mustang guy, plenty of good examples to show, but was running long on time. Thanks for watching!
Our friends down from our hanger at California City Airport. They built mock ups for museums and movie's. The movie Rocketeer. They built the airplanes in that movie. The Spruce Goose on the movie. When you see it leave the rails? That wasn't supposed to happen. It was supposed to stop and then guy was to drop from the plane. Instead it malfunctioned and the plane jumped the rail and actually flew. When Howard Hughes say's That it does fly. That was an ab lib. That line wasn't in the script. The X-1, in The Right Stuff. And I got recruited to help build a full size mock up of the F-117 for the movie Executive Decision. Later that mock up would be sold and then used in the movie Philadelphia Experiment 2.
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 The funny part, about building the F-117. A group (4) black hawks flying over California City Airport from Edwards Air Force Base. When they saw the model. They called Edwards and told them about a downed F-117. We didn't know until all these MP's showed up. They tried to move everyone away from the plane. Some General showed up. After proving to him it was just wood and metal. He congratulated everyone on what a good job we did. I was standing on the aluminum frame with my head up in the cockpit. They never saw me.
When you say... I'll give it away, it's the F-14 tomcat. Actually you didn't have to say anything. You could have pointed out . Just in front of the wing is a Phoenix missile.
Where do they find such outstanding craftsmen?! I imagine building one of these mockups, even with a team of these talented wood workers & a shop with the most advanced & precise woodworking machines, would be a months long process, & the cost to build such a mockup would be in the hundreds of $thousands, if not more than a $million. Then, after the mockups were completed (& the contracts were won or lost) these masterwork mockups would be destroyed. Though I believe I understand the reasons for the destruction, destroying such works of craftsmanship seems fundamentally wrong (I imagine there's at least as much careful craftsmanship in these mockups as in the finest furniture, but fine furniture often becomes treasured heirlooms, not items to be dismissively discarded).
Mike, these videos just keep getting better. Thanks for the shout out.
Always a pleasure!
🇨🇦Some interesting mockups came from Avro Canada. There was the CF-103. A swept wing version of the CF-100 Canuck. There was a mockup of the CF-105 Arrow. One of the most futuristic mockups of all times was the Avro Project Y. A vertical takeoff tail sitting jet fighter in the shape of a spade. Propulsion was revolutionary too. Technology captured from Germany after the war. A gentleman by the name of Jack Frost headed up the project.🇨🇦
Your best video yet….until your next best video yet. Thank you so much for these gems.
Glad you enjoyed it!
20:30 what a huge loss to aviation when Lockheed exited the airliner industry, one can only imagine what could have been had this beauty entered service (no RR engines, thank you). The L-1011 is still one of my favorite aircraft and my Boeing test pilot and engineering friends still tell me what an excellent design it was. Love your content Mr Machat!
I agree 100% on the L-1011 - loved flying on those! Being a McDonnell Douglas guy deeply involved in the DC-10, I always considered the L-1011 as a very significant aircraft from an engineering standpoint. Thanks for watching!
Glue Trooper here.👍
Excellent episode. I'm awed at how the early craftsmen made those wooden mockups. I can't even get a simple bookcase done!
Same here!
Two very enthusiastic thumbs up, Mike - great feature!
At GDFW, we called the Class 3 mockup the metal mockup for the F-16
🇨🇦 One other Avro Canada machine that had some fantastic mockups and artist concept drawings were for the Avrocar and the Silver Bug being developed for the U.S. Army. 🇨🇦
I don't know how you do it Mike - an interesting, novel, beautifully illustrated and well researched post is always guaranteed with you! Thanks as always.
Mike is an amazing repository of aviation history. I can't think of anyone that rivals his knowledge on this subject.
Thanks Michelle, and appreciate the comment.
Many thanks!
Great one, Mike! Love the longer format!
I got to see several mockups get built in the course of my career. I always loved seeing them come together as drawings were converted into a 3 dimensional object. A lot of design problems got captured during that work, too! Special thanks for the image of the inside of the Long Beach Douglas plant. I worked there as an intern, in a room not far from the drafting offices seen in the photo. That really brought back some memories.
Great job, Mike!
What a great video. Thanks for sharing. Great work.
Thanks John!
Fun episode!
Fascinating, thank you. Can't wait until Revell or Airfix do 1:1 versions of these ;)
Love these mockups, I always loved going to the Proud Bird at LAX and sitting among their 1:1 Scale models while drinking a whiskey :-)
Fun stuff. The first RQ-4's were white. And that's looks like San Diego in the back ground.
Mock ups are fun to build and a lot can be learned from them.
I had the opportunity to build a mockup of the Darpa Tier II plus . It was a lot of work only a few guys working on it. Two were engineers. We worked 15 to 16 hrs a day for 2 months to build it. Wood,foam, fiberglass were used .sub contractors had mockups of there sub systems which really helped finish it off.
Unfortunately, we lost the competition ,so Northrop bought Ryan . It was hard work but fun to create ,and work with a small team of talented guys.
Great comment, thanks!
The mock-up for the A-12 is still around. It's currently awaiting some restoration work at the Fort Worth Aviation Museum.
Good to know, thanks!
A real grand slam of a presentation Mike. It just keeps getting better and better. Always a joy to watch these very informative videos. Great photos too.
Mockups are perhaps the ultimate glue trooper projects! And like most completed model kits, most of them do not survive 😟.
OK. Ya got me, Mike. I thought the X-47B @ frame [25:02] was a real airplane because of the puddle of JP-5 on the ramp under the starboard wing... Clever of the photo crew to set the subject over the wet spot for that effect. And the Buff at Palmdale, I thought was a mockup because of the white stuff around the inboard engines. But I should have known better, since I live in Tucson, and I've seen that white shrink wrap on all the birds at DM to keep packrats out. Great show again.
Appreciate the comment, thanks!
A nice and very interesting video Mike, thank you
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Amazing, Thank You Mike and all your collaborators.
Thanks Mike another escape from the day.
22:40 I remember as a kid, seeing this exact painting in the AIr Force Magazine.
Incredible channel, such a high quality - as always. Cheers from PL (EU)❕❗️
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Always great to see new videos, Mike. This is an especially cool one. So many concepts that were built in mockup form, but never went any further. The Boeing SST and the X-20 Dyna-Soar are two examples of ones that should have been completed and flown. In the case of the X-20, the actual airframe was more than 50 percent completed when the program was cancelled. It, along with the mockup, were destroyed. What a waste.
In 1969 the Gates LearJet corporation began development of a medium sized twin engined executive helicopter they called the LearCopter. It was a good ten years ahead of its time, but was cancelled because of the recession of the early '70s, never progressing past the mockup stage. I lived in a small town southwest of Wichita back then, and I happened to see that mockup in a junkyard south of town.
Very cool, thanks!
This was a lot of fun!
Thank you for another wonderful video post Mr Machat! I didn't know all the things that went into making mock-ups. Fascinating and educational as always. Yup, I'm a Gloo Trooper! Love your videos, they're the best. As always God bless you and yours. Thanks again for everything you do! Take care always Sir!
Incredible video. You really hit this one out of the park!
Thanks Chuck!
Thank you Mike for yet another awesome video. As an industrial designer, I this subject especially fascinating. I had the chance to work as a designer on a development of a flying boat about 10 years ago, a project that ended up as a scaled 3D print. From what I heard, when filming the Darkstar mock-up, some Chinese or Russian satellites changed their course in order to photograph this model, since they thought it was a real thing.
One could also mention the pretty good looking Russian Checkmate, designed to attract new clients to the Russian Aerospace industry. Last but not least, the funny story of the Iranian F-313 Qaher, that was also shown in flight, although thanks to bad photoshop skills, it was obvious that the in flight photo, was a cut-out of the mock-up in the studio. Yes. The flying mock-up reflected the same lights of the one in the studio. Cant wait for your next video!
Great comment, thanks!
Jack Lenwood is an amazing aviation artist.
Around 2000, I took a vacation roadtrip down to the Orlando, Florida area. I stopped in at the Warbird Museum at the airport in Kissimmee, just south of Orlando. They actually rebuilt wrecked warbirds, and worked on others. They also had some old historical planes, including Wrong Way Corrigan's famous plane. Against one wall in the hanger, were several plywood mockup fuselages of Spitfires used for ground scenes in the movie "Battle Of Britain"! Pretty cool. And if you watch carefully in "Tora, Tora, Tora", you can tell the taxiing P-40B that gets blown up is a mockup. The fuselage was fabric over steel tube frame, while the real P-40 was all metal.
Great comment, thanks!
...brushing the snow off of the Flightseer...
Extremely fascinating topic, Mike! Mahalo!
An outstanding presentation, Mike! You always brighten my day.
Many thanks!
Outstanding presentation. Thank you.
Excellent video as usual, Mike! I got really impressed by the F-14 Mockup! Amazing. I was resposible for the ERJ-170 and 190 wooden fuselage mockup on several Embraer roadtrips in 4 continents (Farnborough and Le Bourget Air shows included) before their first flight. Too bad the mockus are now all electronics, although I had my share of electronic Mock-up virtual visit to the ERJ-170 when I worked for Embraer, using virtual glasses. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Brazil.
Great comment as always, thanks Gustavo!
Would like to learn more about that failed Fairchild trainer.
I'll have to tell that story in a separate video. Like many mergers, the Fairchild Republic story was not a happy one, and the perfect storm of a WWII-era factory, cost overruns, technical and manufacturing problems and many other factors led to the Air Force lose all hope and cancel the program. That was the end of the company in October 1987.
The C-17 looks great in camo!
The XF-108. I so wish there were more photographs available.
Good to see your work, Mike. Keep it up!
Hi Barrett. Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!
Awesome video.
Tony and Craig! The core of IPMS Space Park in the 80s! If you guys watch this: Greetings from Robert Arance!
One interesting mock-up was the "stealth bomber" built for a Honda commercial in the late 80s. Caused a bit of a stir as it premiered before the official release of the B-2. Built at Agua Dulce Air Park (I saw part of the construction, the basic framework on landing gear, as I would stop by the airport when I worked at a test facility nearby), it was dismantled and shipped to Florida for the filming. Honda donated the mock-up to the SAC museum where it was on display for a few years. I tried posting a link to more info, but then my post does not show up =/ Google south dakota air space museum
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The dark star is my favorite mock up
Your content is really first rate and your mix of models and the real aircraft are very interesting. While at the Chino Planes of fame Museum I discovered an X-2 in pieces on the back lot. Turns out it was the mock-up used in the Sci-Fi Quantum Leap show, had me fooled.
Yeah! I got the F-14 correct when the only the nose mockup was shown.
Thanks for another fun video
I was proud of myself again when I got the *first* of the "real or mockup" quiz questions correct. I subsequently got *all* of the remaining quiz questions wrong.
Thanks again for the fun video Mike Machat.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Mike for keeping Aviation History alive for the younger generation to enjoy. Did I miss the "Box Art" somewhere ?????
It was the ITC North American F108 Rapier box cover.
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 How did I miss that, I guess I always look for Revell, Monogram or Aurora box art. lol
Another awesome episode!
I would like to see a model company come out with some of those cool looking drones!
Agreed!
Fantastic video yet again Mike, where do you find all these amazing pics?
as a former McDonnell Douglas guy, I know that Douglas had a historian.. in fact, it was Harry Gann for a while. He took a lot of photos of Douglas's aircraft, so was presumably inclined to preserve a lot of the company's historic photos. I'm just guessing that this was typical for other companies in the industry.
Yes, that is correct.
After 45 years in the aviation business, I've accumulated many thousands of good photos. Thanks for watching!
Greetings from St. Louis. Are you still enjoying your Bird of Prey jacket?
Fantastic job done 💯✅
Many thanks!
Thank you sir 🙂..ever since I saw my first Air force F-100 super saber fly low and fast while my late Momma was holding me in her arms as an eighteen month old baby when she was hanging out the laundry on the line in our backyard in Atlanta Georgia..I have been fascinated by aviation history
this is a vid only a plane nerd would like...........i fucking loved it ,...thanks
Thanks
We love the beautiful presentation drawings . Unfortunately, Government officials who wove the paper designs more than the work of understand practicality and reality.. My first concern is "Does it work." My second concern is Will it be sufficiently designed to be modified and adoptive. My last but most fervent concern is "is it pretty?' I wonder if our current military arranges their priorities in the opposite?
The XB-70 mock up was at LAX. It earned the nick name " The Savior" because of what people said when they first saw it.
At about 01:26 in this video: Does anyone else see a _'face'_ on the front of that aircraft mockup?
I was at Edwards Air Force Base when the B-1A crashed.
Any chance of a short follow-up... "where are they now?" for these mock-ups? I'm guessing that they are either in museums or a landfill, unfortunately. As an engineer, I've worked on various projects that never got beyond the prototype phase, and had to throw a lot of work into the circular file. Not a great feeling, so I can't imagine what it's like to have to tear apart some of these huge mock-ups!
The Boeing SST mockup was on display in Florida for many years, then was sold when the museum went under, and was converted to a church! When I first saw it, the mockup was sitting outside of the church, and I was able to go inside and sit down in First Class. I believed the mockup was to be scrapped, but later found it at the Hiller Air Museum in California. Unfortunately, the mockup was taken off display, but as far as I know, they still own it, and hopefully will eventually put it back on public display.
Thanks for the good info Michelle!
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Glad I had some input about the SST mockup. I actually have a small souvenir from that. One of the First Class row markers. That sits on my shelf right next to a piece of the Valley Forge from Silent Running.
I've seen the RQ-4 Mockup at an Offutt Air Show, and I thought it was the real air vehicle.
It's not just aircraft. Mockups are common in the auto industry. Both interior and exterior. Even in todays world of CAD drawings and design sometimes the digital just doesn't convey reality.
Yes, excellent point and should have mentioned that. Being a Corvette and Mustang guy, plenty of good examples to show, but was running long on time. Thanks for watching!
Our friends down from our hanger at California City Airport.
They built mock ups for museums and movie's.
The movie Rocketeer. They built the airplanes in that movie.
The Spruce Goose on the movie. When you see it leave the rails? That wasn't supposed to happen. It was supposed to stop and then guy was to drop from the plane. Instead it malfunctioned and the plane jumped the rail and actually flew. When Howard Hughes say's That it does fly. That was an ab lib. That line wasn't in the script.
The X-1, in The Right Stuff.
And I got recruited to help build a full size mock up of the F-117 for the movie Executive Decision. Later that mock up would be sold and then used in the movie Philadelphia Experiment 2.
Great comment, thanks!
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
The funny part, about building the F-117.
A group (4) black hawks flying over California City Airport from Edwards Air Force Base. When they saw the model. They called Edwards and told them about a downed F-117. We didn't know until all these MP's showed up. They tried to move everyone away from the plane. Some General showed up. After proving to him it was just wood and metal. He congratulated everyone on what a good job we did.
I was standing on the aluminum frame with my head up in the cockpit. They never saw me.
I understand why it wasn't built, but I would've loved to see the F-108 actually fly.
Agreed!
When you say... I'll give it away, it's the F-14 tomcat.
Actually you didn't have to say anything. You could have pointed out . Just in front of the wing is a Phoenix missile.
24:30 That RQ-4A is (why should we be afraid of the word?)….ugly.
Where do they find such outstanding craftsmen?! I imagine building one of these mockups, even with a team of these talented wood workers & a shop with the most advanced & precise woodworking machines, would be a months long process, & the cost to build such a mockup would be in the hundreds of $thousands, if not more than a $million. Then, after the mockups were completed (& the contracts were won or lost) these masterwork mockups would be destroyed. Though I believe I understand the reasons for the destruction, destroying such works of craftsmanship seems fundamentally wrong (I imagine there's at least as much careful craftsmanship in these mockups as in the finest furniture, but fine furniture often becomes treasured heirlooms, not items to be dismissively discarded).
Great comment, thanks!
I know hind sight is wonderfull but after Iran agreed to buy the Tomcat Grumman should have sold them mock ups.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dark star or dark nda (native Fijian word for 💩)