DeviantART Just Betrayed Its Whole Community. (DreamUp AI Controversy) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY
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a viewer helped me better understand the situation, so i’m going to add that further clarification here.
- DA technically didn’t use their own entire library of deviations, but apparently exclusively used LAION’s. LAION contains a massive number of images from deviantart that were taken without permission, though, so it’s fundamentally just as exploitative and deceptive.
- i wasn’t clear enough when i explained how the art was used; it’s not that deviantart DID use every single deviation for training, it’s that every single deviation was LIABLE to have been used, and may have been. since any deviation on the platform couldve been used and we have no way of knowing which ones were, that is, to me, effectively the same, but it is still an important differentiation that i failed to make in the video.
- DA does claim that they will not use deviations for future datasets if users opt out, and that they didn’t use them in the first place. this is deliberately dishonest, because they used LAION, which used deviations - they didn’t do so directly, but they did use them. and in terms of future use, since they’re going to continue to use LAION and LAION will continue to use opted-in artwork, it’s also untrue that they won’t use them in the future. that means that it’s still possible that during the hours that all art was opted in, those works could already have been used. that said, the viewer that reached out to me is fairly sure that it’s unlikely for LAION to have done this during that time frame due to its latest version having been released so recently, so that’s a big reassurance.
How do I opt out? I do not want my art stolen for the sake of AI
@@RimFaxxe They changed it so anyone is already opt out and need to opt in if they so choose from the massive backlash so you're good.
I'm so grateful I didn't post anything on Devin art I was going to until I saw this 😭
Does every place for artist have to be so evil nowadays? This really helps erase the true expression of artist. Artist are being mistreated and if nothing is done about it. Could destroy the art industry.
lol, regardless. i already deleted all of my deviations few hours into the tweet they made. i will no longer use the site. they've been very shady ever since they changed the site all those years ago. this AI-thing is nail in the coffin for me. i'm just waiting for something to finally leave DA for good. this is great time as any.
It was really disappointing to see how deviantart went about this. I had 17 years of art on there. What made me mad though was that my art in the subscription teir had been automatically opted in (well before their descision to make it all opt out). On top of my voicing my concern about my commercial art and subscription stuff being opted in, they did their lil podcast and interrupted artists. To me that was just unforgivablely rude and solidfied my decision to take my art. I left my account up just in case but I'm definitely looking into making a proper website for myself
And sadly just adding a default opt-out option won't stop reposters and art thieves from posting other artists' artworks with an opt-in flag anyway, and maybe that was also part of their calculation on DA's side, so no matter how, at the end the AI database get fed from the point on when it was integrated.
17 years of art? damn. TBH, it feels like they did a massive art theft and they need to be sued for this IMO. Best of luck creating your own website. I removed most of my random doodles and drawings in 2016 because of a incident in 2016 with art thieves being rampant, I happened to have a few drawings on my devianart now and I feel bad that even when my drawings were bad as heck, they were still my creations... I delete them all after making back ups of them on my computer.
I am thinking of opting out of most of social media for I haven't even not post my humble creations for a long time and I planned to delete those as well, having an AI come by and sweep al of my works, even when my works ain't masterworks, it kinda upsets me.
Sue them
Big Tech is swimming in so much Money why can't they pay Artist?of course Greed could be the answer, But the level of Disrespect is amazing
I've had DA account with art for over decade (13 years) and they banned me for my religious views when they had forceful pride month or something. And that was not only me they've banned.
What is even worse is that you can't delete your account or your art when they permanently ban your ass :( What is the actual world of sanity is going on!
As if Devaint Art couldn’t get worse
Never challenge worse.
Right? As if!
@@opaloparu6048 love your pfp
@@mooniekitty3619 where the hell do you guys find those cute pfps lmao
Bro I wish.
Calling yourself an 'artist' because you can use AI is the same as calling yourself a 'chef' because you know how to order delivery food
Perfect analogy
Couldn't have said it better
Yep, agree. Like, I only use AI for picking color schemes for my drawings, so it wouldn't be to monotonic. And also, yeah, good analogy, which is the biological terms of different forms but the same usage or meaning
I remember when DeviantArt added an art theft thing, but you had to pay for it- why not allow all their users to safely share their art without theft 😀
Exactly 😭 That was the thing that let people know if their art was being used as NFTs, right?
I can't see how this will not drive away users.
Except this isn't stealing people's artwork it's using it to learn to create its own unique artwork. Just how you look at someone else's references and then you learn from those lol.....
@@justinneuroth1371 it's not "someone" using other people's art as references if that "someone" is a robot.
I used DA for the NFT protection they had, but soon as I learnt about this I just closed my account, It feels like a betrayal of what they were projecting they stood for.
Tbh I was kind of expecting they might fall into doing something stupid involving AI or art theft considering the fact that even the NFT protection was something you'd have to pay for to actually use instead of it just being an option for all artists.
I mean why quite if people where stupid enough to Buy NFTs in the first place like stickers.
I find myself thanking my lucky stars that I was too chicken to actually post my art anywhere, and especially not deviantart
Chickens are descendants of the Tyrannosaurus Rex. You pretty much called yourself brave for understandably defying DeviantArt.
@@missingnotheglitchmon of course missingno says the most based stuff ever
IT TOTALLY drove me away. I actually purged my page seeing as it has been used but i'm not going to use it for sure now. Thanks for discussing this.
How do you check to see if any if your art has been used btw?
Can't all artists on DA make a big class action lawsuit against them?
Seeing as how they violated their own terms, I would imagine so. It's something we would have to look into, though.
Agree that it’s worth looking into. There’s also already a class action lawsuit against AI happening rn. Gotta do everything we can to send the message. Make exploiting artists as difficult as possible for them.
I don't think it violates the law in any way.
even if it could be in theory there are no laws about AI so far.
@@deltaxcd the operative phrase being, "so far". And they did violate their own terms with regard to use of user IP, so there is a case to be made here, even in lieu of AI laws. Laws will get made, but in the meantime, the suit can still move forward under the TOS being violated by the site, itself.
@@KittMouri I don't think they violated their tos in any way as nobody could even imagine that art will be sued for AI training and how that would be regulated. and we still have to wait for what laws will be made in that regard.
Maybe in the future TOS will be updated to include AI training policies.
But for now anyone is free to do that.
Either way I think it is good opportunity to eliminate greedy human artists completely and replace them with AI, so nobody will be required topmay any commissions anymore, at some moment AI may be even able to produce movies and write stories eliminating entire entertainment industry.
Now I see why it's called DeviantArt and I might have to delete my account ASAP!
This is why I'm so afraid of posting my art anywhere like what am I supposed to do if it's stolen?! It makes me beyond upset art is one of the only things I really have or am able to do, and knowing that me sharing those hours of hard work in anyway could feed some AI trash so somebody can type it in and get that same work back for free seems the same as handing the person ready to shoot you a bullet :/ this is just a slap in the face and invalidation to all artists as a whole
I haven’t uploaded any of my art in years and recall seeing an image that looked suspiciously similar to an old piece I made as a gift, it wasn’t but I was so angry at the idea of someone tracing my pieces.
It’s bad enough that back then da had a problem with art theft, but this makes it so much worse
yes that a great idea LOL never post any of your art anywhere keep it under your bed or buy good safe box :)
even better just shred it after you draw it then you will be absolutely sure that nobody will ever steal it LOL
It's such a shame cause I was genuinely thinking about posting stuff on there. I've been on and off on the site for years and I literally just got back on a few weeks ago. It's just so hard to grow on social media nowadays. Some platforms are either dead, going through some controversy, or they're brand new so there's not much users.
Thank you for bringing this up, Celestia! I thought DeviantArt was doing good for its community, but this update genuinely angers me. I'm thinking about leaving it behind, I don't use it that much anyway lol-
I don't blame you, I mostly use DA to talk to friends nowadays while most of my activities are around Tumblr and Pixiv.
@@tomboyjessie1352 Oh, I never head of Pixiv-
deviantart hasn't done a single good thing for its community since wix took over lol, every new "update" has actively made the site worse, though this is the first update to be straight-up illegal
@@anthares96 Wow, I didn't know that Wix took over, thank you for telling me that.
@@StellarAshtynn np! that's what the eclipse update was all about, wix bought dA and changed it to fit its soulless style
It's like all social media wants to explode somehow
I think this was pretty succinct on the explanation of what's gone down. Literally about 10 minutes ago left my account of 17 years on this over it, and might link to your video to help better explain my feelings on it, honestly. As of sunday night, it's just more lip service and pretending nothing happened. Even if they walk the whole thing back, the steps taken in the first place make me hesitant to ever come back.
There’s a part of me that’s kind of amused that my crappy old art was used to train AI lol.
Damn Deviant art really hit a new low, is very depressing 😥
At this point its becoming impossible to post art anywhere ugh
Man I was so sad to hear about this. I’m not leaving DA, simply because every other website already did this. It’s a bit of a scapegoat for Artist rage over AI, isn’t it? I mean NovelAI was trained on Pixiv without their community ever knowing or even having any opt out feature. There needs to be litigation and legal precedence to protect artists
7:50 "based on their rules, they have openly infringed upon the intellectual rights of every artist on their platform" except they probably havent. last time i checked, dA has it listed in their eula that theyre allowed to use any material uploaded to their platform however they want to. sadly, even if they are definitely in the wrong morally, theyre probably on safe ground legally.
Thank god I deleted my DeviantArt account months ago.
As someone who started their artistic journey with DeviantART when I was almost 13 years old (by that I mean since 2014) , I am really disappointed that the platform I grow up with would fall from graze.
I boycotted when they announced that the Eclipse redesign was going to be permanent, deleting their previous, more stable and quicker to navigate design. (Especially since Eclipse is buggy and slow at that time) I expanded my platforms beyond DA during that boycott.
While I did returned to the platform some months later, this event now made me stop DA definitely.
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
Really disappointed...
DeviantArt 2012 : we let our user generated picture for people to admire
DeviantArt 2022: our AI steal all our user's picture, train on them and let other people admire the generated PIRATED ART from our user base
EXCELLENT !!!
I honestly knew nothing about this until seeing this video. I don't know where else I could move my fractal art to besides an actual website and portfolio....
Sorry. I have had poetry and art stolen from me in the past....but this takes the cake. This video is really making me think upon what I want to do with my fractal art now.
Deviantart's constant changes to the interface without getting judgement from users beforehand, and their refusal to handle things such as untagged fetish art or even stolen art, already long since destroyed my trust in the platform. I'd been thinking about going back, but the fact they did that when they no doubt KNOW the issues with AI "art", and did it without consulting the users in the slightest, has made my decision for me. i'd been on the site on and off since 2008, and i'll miss it, but it's not worth it anymore.
It has made me seriously think of deleting my devientart account, which I've had for 15 years. :(
What I know for sure is I won't post on there ever again, they have lost my trust. Especially after how they treated the artist RJ Palmer.
I hope some people come together and make a good website for art, commissions and such.
Like imagine stuff like da, toyhouse, art fight, patron all combined and under some protection against ai..
I can only wish upon such thing, I got no clue about programming
I don't have any material up on DA but watch a number of artists there. The only way DA could "apologize" would be to shut down the AI and delete the damn thing.
Yes please keep doing this kind of content, I was unaware about this and your explanation was easy to get!
And I really enjoy hear you while i'm drawing! :D
I had no idea this was going on. I haven't been on DA in a years. Thank you. Liked and subbed.
I’ll say the same thing I said in reaction to Goth Ross’s video:
Maybe I don’t understand why every artist doesn’t just burn the bridge and go elsewhere because I’ve never signed up to Deviant Art…
But someone’s going to have to explain to me, why the site seems like it has all the power when the art is the life blood. Surely those in charge should be grovelling at this stage
It's because there really isn't anywhere else to go that isn't a burning platform itself.
AI art has the possibility to drive out artists of business. If you can have something quick and free or very cheap, you would pick that over someone having to handcraft it with possible mistakes and over a long time (a day or more wait) and probably more than $5 commission. This is bad because the companies could charge $5 for AI art compared to the artist who would charge $20. This could either force the artist to have lower prices, which would make them get a new job as they can't keep customers or get enough money. When there is barely any artist who can make a living off art, AI art will probably increase (the original 20 dollars) but it can pump out images faster than artists while using artists' hard work to make money off their original style and thought of art. In other words: Alienation from art (which shouldn't even be a thing).
@@tonybenson82 well, I’m free range, il, be selling my art as a delicacy
Geez, I had gone back to Deviantart just recently thinking maybe things have gone better and to use it as a general promotional page. Guess that's gonna go down the drain :(
I'm so glad I deleted my DeviantArt account 😅 I didn't need it since they had something about a membership payment 💀
I've tried looking for alternate sites to post my art and they all either aren't very good or crash in a huge train wreck, like buzzly. I'm still stuck on DA.
I haven't been on DA in years,but then again,the staff on there are the ones that rather ban artists who does nothing wrong while people have stole my art for 7 fucking years
I haven't used DA in YEARS... And I am FURIOUS. I regret that I never properly deleted my old account...
I also regret watching this before bed. I gotta wind down all over again...
I would've LOVED to have known about this before this video, but I guess that it's a bit on me... But hey, I would've liked to been able to opt out BEFORE THEY DID IT and have all of this advertised to me on like email or something.... But I guess not..... God damn it.....
If DeviantART doesn't fix this, then the only people left on the site will be art thieves and tracers.
I had not posted to DA in years so what I had there is certainly not indicative of my style now.. however.. when I heard this and heard it was opt in *by default*, I logged into my DA account.. "opted out", deleted *EVERYTHING* I had on DA one by one, and deleted my account.
While I haven't yet, I had been planning to start posting on DA. Now, I'm not so sure. If you think about it you can't exactly guarantee that just because you flag your work not to be used, that it won't be. Which has me hesitant, because I don't want my work being used without my permission, especially after being clear that I don't want it to be used
i've heard (from word of mouth) of someone who was involved with DreamUp in some way that:
1) DA is *not* actually using your art ("DA is not using your art on the platform to train dream up.")
2) the AI opt-out is moreso to tell *other* AI's they have zero permission to use your art ("...what is the check box in the deviation? To tell all other AI's that they cannot and do not have permission to use your art.")
3) the journal the update was in was worded REALLY BADLY ("...the journal was super poorly written and the misinformation is insane.")
however, i got this info in the form of a copy+paste, so if this person made a long chain with more info, i don't have that
personally, i'm taking this with a grain of salt, even moreso that i have troubles reading if something is "good" or "bad", even moreso as what i DO know still somewhat makes no sense to me
all i know in absolute definite, regardless of if this is a REALLY BAD update or not, there is a TON of outrage from (possible) misunderstandings, and if it's not addressed it might just be enough to can DA for good...
(for clarification, i'm not saying "nah this update isn't so bad lol" NOR am i saying "y'all gtfo of DA rn", just tryna give extra info that i'm not sure is well known. also, i did the whole opt-out form + check box if it is as bad as everyone thinks it is)
The problem is that DreamUp uses Stable Diffusion, which uses the LAION 5B dataset that scraped DeviantArt more than a million times already. If you look into the dataset, you will find most DevianArt famous artists are all there, and there is no way to untrain it, ever.
@@quetevalgavergaaa ouch 💀
I hadn't heard about this at all. Thank you for sharing.
I checked the box that technically should refrain the AI from taking your art as a reference, but just in case, do you know if this affects stuff in your storage at all?
Because I have left DA many years ago and most of my art is still there but made private so it's technically invisible ... Would the AI be allowed to dig it up?
100 tags isn't enough to filter it all out, my homepage still features it. People are either not tagging their "art" as A.I generated or they're making up new tags with A.I in it. It's an absolute mess and it shouldn't have been allowed to begin with.
This has “Class action lawsuit” written all over it
If DeviantArt dies dies, it will burn in hell for stealing and distrust imfao.
I don't understand how companies get to break laws world wide and people simp for them but if an individual even tried they'd be roasted quickly
Seems like rights to stuff on the internet are pretty much trampled over all the time. Huge corpos are ignoring fair use on TH-cam, while rights of smaller creators or artists are just completely ignored
Well, this can only end badly for DeviantArt. AI generated images are ethically dubious, and what’s worse, users do not know if the AI generator has already used their art in its datasets, there’s absolutely no way to tell if opting out even worked
Well that's the nail in the coffin for me.
I'm staying on twitter.
"we'll never do it again"
Bro with as much material as deviant art had, they don't NEED to do it again. The AI has the database
Does anyone else remember when Deviantart spent an April Fools claiming to of made the first ever AI art program- but that was years ago and just a joke?
Not very funny now. And unfortunate it’s so tone deaf
Is this ThoughtART you are talking about?
If they offered a tiny faction of a cent compensation, most would opt in.
And if your art is online, it's been scanned by someone. And it will be impossible to prove it.
OMG! This is a prime example of we were all worrying about. I occasionally posted there, but found it was cumbersome, but thought I might do more later. I so appreciate your posing this. That's it. when I get a chance, I'm out of there, but then now, it doesn't really matter. The AI has all of our work in its "memory banks." I'm sure it copied the entire data set before DA told its community. If anyone puts up a class action law suit I'll join in. This is like using DDT to kill insects while not worrying about the birds that eat them.
I got DA like a month ago because I couldn’t use Twitter anymore :(
Guess I have to go some where else… but I don’t know where?
Instagram?
Artstation?
Toyhouse?
Tumblr?
@@kittygirl0872 instagram is really tiring for artists as well, tumblr less i guess, but along with the others mentioned.. i don't think it's possible to get a bigger following there
@@crystalmetheny583 I'll just go to all the websites
@@crystalmetheny583 how is Instagram tiring? I am curious to know.
@@kreftl hmm, well here are some main reasons as to why it may be (theres obviously more but they don't immidiately come to mind)
-the algorithm
-the cropping system/quality (personally honestly, maybe not an issue for others)
-the "pay for promotion" scams that are quite widespread
-report system wonky as shhhiit
and in general, i've never seen any potential benefits artists could get, i guess the only good thing is the ability to gain a large following. all is based on my experiences 💁♀️
I do like messing around with AI art, but only just joking around with how bad it ends up looking, and it shouldn’t be used as real art. It’s stolen work, but to me, fine to play with, as long as you don’t give them money
Isn't the "opting out" option only for third party AI Generators? So DAs DreamUp wouldn't fall under it? I've seen the claim floating around that there is a form that you need to fill out....don't know though
yeaaah... i deleted my entire gallery and won't be posting unless they change this. i only tune in there now to follow comics and such...
ai art is cool, it's interesting to see the development technology makes. but they should only source images from artist who COMPLETELY consent to their work being used. not taken behind their back, not stolen, not sneakily tricked into giving it up, just honest goddamn communication. but i guess we can never have good things, ever. i don't want to hate it... but it just sucks right now. it all sucks
Wow how crazy. Even Etsy is going downhill.
I can't believe I've been wasting my time on this website, I signed on a couple of weeks ago to get my art noticed.
As far as I was aware after doing some research-DA didn’t directly use Deviations for their dataset (Yes they used a dataset that was already problematic, which is it’s own issue, but I digress) the “opt in” option wasn’t for dreamup. It was for future datasets exclusively. Now, why they wouldn’t make opting out the default is still a valid point, however it’s less of a “nyeheh if we wait a few hours we can get more free art” and more of a lack of understanding of how the community sees AI art. It’s still incredibly problematic, but not nearly as directly hostile to the community as you made it sound. Even so, I appreciate the video
Wow I had to check my DA I don’t use it anymore I didn’t even get an email.
I was confused at first, i only decided to look on my deviant art for the first time in months and it had auto ticked on all my pieces
"Not authorized for inclusion in third-party AI datasets"
So i was like, thank god for that
"DA trained its AI generator on all of the work that's already posted on the platform." That's not true. Technically, DA didn't train DreamUp at all, because they didn't create their own datasets. They used datasets from LAION, which are essentially lists with millions of URLs leading to different images on the web, each one associated with certain tags. These lists most likely included thousands upon thousands of images from DA, but those were added long before DA started building DreamUp. The companies operating AI image generators don't need permission to collect images from the web. Nobody does. Users on DA never had and never will have the choice to opt-in since everybody's in by default. The moment you upload anything to any social media platform you're making it accessible to others. What DA did was allow users to opt-out.
I'm not overly worried about AI art as a whole. If I am paying for a piece or I want to say read a comic or manga, I want to read something drawn by a human. AI created comics may be technically possible, but, will anybody really want to read them? AI art (in the end) is probably going to be a novelty except for really low end endeavors or stuff put out by already soulless ad agencies.
I'll always choose imperfect or sketchy hand drawn art over AI art.
gotta love how it brands itself as ''artist community that supports other artists'' when all it's users do is drag other artists down ,they act like the mean girls from the movie and accuse the person of ''stealing'' because of their own inflated egoes when they themselves stole others art [ironnyyyy!] and sold it on redbubble. All I can say with that is this.... OK LIAR.🙄
I had no idea DA was doing that! However, I really don't know what to do or where to move to. I'm just a hobbyist that wants to share his drawings with other people.
It went down the hole awhile back.
Thank you for the heads up i didnt know they implemented this AI at all. I deleted my account there. I'm sure they will still make money of their AI.
Class action lawsuit? Or burn down the houses of ceos???
Does this mean it can generate ms paint sonic art?
this is exactly why I'm switching to artfol. I never posted to DA and I'm so glad I never did.
i emedity deleted my accounts on da when they announced this bc I'm not fucking around
Ai art was a mistake
I wonder who decided to create ai art in the first place...
@@kittygirl0872 its the tech fuckers who thought that creating art is the same as working in a factory; that it can be sped up, automated. And they completely disregard or can't even understand the joy of making art in and on itself. Yeah, ai trash is a mistake and I hope whoever made it in the first place gets a special place in hell.
Thank you for putting the information out there. Thank you for taking a stand. Thank you for making me hate the world just a little less today. Just... thank you.
I'm glad I deleted my account way before this drama.
I think I was able to avoid it right on time.😮💨
welcome to the club, deviant art has shown its bad intentions as early as 2008 and me and countless other creators refuse to put anything that we value on said platform
Are there alternatives to DA out there artists could use instead?
most of my DA work is model kit builds with a bit of landscapes and Hero-forge thrown in. So, I wasn't too affected by the whole AI thing. I am saddened by the loss of some great artists there but I do understand. I won't be leaving the platform because as I said nothing there is of much importance to me.
And people get mad when I do photobashing lol
I have a question: Let's say I see AI art. For example a dog. And then I make a drawing of that dog myself based on that AI art.
If my own drawing looks almost similar like the AI one, do I have copyright over my self-made drawing that looks like the AI art ?
I have a feeling they’re getting sued
I was in a discord server and somebody had the nerve to say that this was more horrible than the pandemic. 😐
LITERAL PEOPLE ARE DYING AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT HERE SAYING YOUR LITTLE ART STUFF IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S MORE DANGEROUS.
Like I understand this is a tragedy for y'all but c'mon ..
well.. if you see that in a long term,
automated human expression makes people numb, the lack of abstract communication makes us less empathic.
if technologies keep following this path, you can see the doors of the most hedhonist era in human history,
and THAT has much more destructive power than any pandemic or nuke in a long term.
Ye, I have friends who lost family to the pandemic. Literal lives do not equate to something being stolen.
@@Mente_Fugaz Have you lost anyone to the pandemic? If not then sit down and hush.
@@Mente_Fugaz im not dissing and saying this moment in history isn't valid, but when you compare something so trivial to a LITERAL worldwide catastrophe....I mean....
@@SeinIshamiado my point is that this is not trivial...
And i expressed why this kind of human paths could bring even more destructive results than a pandemic
Honestly, I use a Telegram channel as my primary art sharing and community hub now. I only repost to the major hubs to catch new eyes and funnel them to my Telegram channel. Everything I post off of Telegram has a nice big watermark directing people to there.
Im glad i leave Deviantart. Tumblr is better
Ayyyeee Tumblr gang
Freak off, I'm not gonna go back to Tumblr because of NSFW purge, it still makes me shiver and flashbacks :(
I still new on tumblr But I would If I should still used that 🤔
@@AzumiCoyote The NSFW purge was Tumblr going belly up as far as I'm concerned.
lol at them breaking their own rules with copyright 😝 not happy at all about what they have down and what about the people who have passed away but their account is still active? to me that alone causes problem with DA using art without permission
it didn't bother me personally because i consider anything i upload on dA to be free-to-use by default, but holy shit was that a low blow for all the people whose art is their livelihood. and dA was so shit at announcing it, like i only found out about it because a bunch of people i watch complained, but it took me several posts to even find a link to the actual journal announcement, it's like they wanted to make it as hard as possible to find. and how it is not super-duper illegal for them to train their AI on pre-existing copyrighted, commercial art and only announce it AFTER the fact?? like, they already got what they wanted, they broke the law, how is that ok?? this is genuinely grounds for a civil lawsuit of some kind
Artstation is owned by Epic games they probably gave all their subscribers to China's art generator program and that's why they were able to get so good so fast.
all artists should sue them for illegal use of their art... they implemented the feature only after getting caught... but they are legally liable for being mass sued over this, since copy right law is clear and their tos was clear that their site dont use people's artworks for anything without premission from artists. instead of outrage: just a public mass suit that would strip the company away.. original oweners should have never sold the site and allowed such changes ,
DEVIANT WAS THE BEST ART SITE UNTIL THEY GOT SOLD & THE SITE WAS REMADE INTO THE ABYSS IT IS TODAY.. TAKING ALL THE PERSONAFICATION FROM ARTIATS PAGES & MAKING IT HORRIBLE
Remember that classical artist sav digital art as an threat and not real art, that digital artist could mass-produce art and sell cheap prints so artist that worked with painting and sold "real" art should lose their job. Not long before that artist also saw photography as a threat, and before that radio was a threat to the musicians and so was the record player seren in the past, as a threath to the culture of folk music and folk that played instruments.
Ever new technology is seen as a threat to the older generation and those who work with the older technology, but art do not die and artist is no going away, it will just be easier for folk to create the art they want, but there will be new artist that getting professional by use AI, but folk still want that old classical art made with oil, the rule have always been adept or change, artist have always had the feeling that art was hard and threatened by the whole world, it is so like if you once called yourself "Artist" you can not take another job or change how you create art.
And AI do not infringe on Copyright, it is the same as you look in a magazine and see a photo that give you inspiration, you paint something that look like that but is far from a copy and it is made in a different artform, that is not copyright infringement, AI work in the same way, it look at images, try to identify pattern and shapes so it can be connected to a word, then the computer use algorithm based on how a brain work to create images, the image the AI make will not look like existing art.
On the other hand can not AI art be copyrighted, for copyright need an artistic touch and creativity, that is why fractals can not be copytighted, not even the song "Happy Birthday to you" could be copyrighted even a company claimed so for several years, so AI artists may be without protection unless they can prove they did more than just tupe some words to create the "art".
First an NFT radar now this??!! Come on DA, you can be better than that, stop just giving into trends w/o thinking 😭😭
Sounds like a lawsuit
If I wanted AI generated art. I would go to google. But if im searching for art, on an artist website specifically built to search for Exclusively art. Then AI art can't compete with Human talent. It's infuriating, I hate AI art on deviantart, because im there for HUMAN ART. Why else would I be there!? It's like going to a 4 star restaurant and being constantly offered an Happy meal!
I think your theory is correct that this was the plan from the start so they could train the software first
As someone who loves drawing this is just insulting, it's bad enough there's some A-hole stealing arts and get praised by people now we got ai arts that's we can't tell which one is ai and which one is not.
I quitted DA about 2-3 weeks ago.
how can i take back quartz badge
I removed all my art off of my art after the Ai debacle and I am not going back. To heck with DA and may the go down with Twitter
If you post to a place like Deviantart, they own your content, period. Same is true of any other service aggregator. If it's free, you are the content.
This complaint about DeviantArt is moot, because people aren't going to pay for Dream Up. They are just going to use Stable Diffusion itself and use all the art over the internet including what's on DeviantArt. This is why people stopped using all the other Paid Ai sites for their machine art.
There's already Pee in the Pool people...
I deactivated my account. They went too far. All we want is a safe space for artists to create and be able to interact with eachother without having to worry about AI/NFT bs and arttheft. That really shouldn't be too much to ask for... 🥲