I hope they bring out a new Suzuki V Strom 250. With speeding fines, speed limits, the price of petrol and the price of new bikes they make so much sense to own.
I’m concerned about motorcycles not from the big four that I have experienced, over the decades, is resale. I have had 4 moto guzzi machines.. most people have never even heard of them. It took two years for me to sell my 2007 Norge. I never had a problem with it. It only had 15,000 miles on it when I sold it. The buyer was in his 60s, he had a garage full of large capacity motorcycles, all in pristine condition. He only bought mine because he never owned one before… just look at Hyosung(spelling??).. Here in the US, I have seen some of those machines for sale on local websites for years. They never sold as far as I could tell. The same with Aprilia. There is a Aprilia motorcycle I have seen this is the third year now that that seller is using the same photos, and it appears to be the same motorcycle, it just doesn’t sell.. I loveed most of the dozens and dozens of motorcycles I have owned over the decades, I have only had one BMW. K1200 LT… that was not a difficult motorcycle to sell after I owned it for two years, and was fed up with it. It rode nice, it was gorgeous, it never broke down, but it was the most flawed motorcycle I ever owned, and the most top-heavy, the worst feeling brakes, The worst, feeling front end, in the most distorted windshield that I had to look through because of his height. But I had no trouble selling it because the reputation they earned before they started making the K bikes, still lives on. BMW is sure ain’t what they used to be.. I am not familiar with CF, Moto machines, but with computer design and sharing of technology, I think it would be possible for a company to make a modern reliable machine basically buying parts from suppliers without doing any of the development research.. my concern would be Quality control, and companies building to a price instead of to a standard.. just look at some of the side-by-side four wheelers available at your local hardware store. Without actually loaning one or driving one, I can see that some of the machines available have technology not much better than that of a 20 year old golf cart or go cart design. I realize that’s an oversimplification, but where do you buy parts for these machines? Where do you take it for service? Since the Harley Davidson inspired import motorcycle tariff of 1984, just within An hour of my home, there were 22 Japanese motorcycle shops. Three BMW shops, that number has been dropping over the 40 years since the tariff, today, there are only three Japanese motorcycle shops within an hour of my home, those three shops have been in business for decades, family owned, they have owned the building for decades. That’s the only way they could have survived. There are zero BMW shops within an hour of my home.. maybe CF Moto would do excellent business if they had dealerships with parts and service.. many motorcycle repair shops, even dealerships will not work on other brands of motorcycles. They don’t want a motorcycle apart waiting for parts taking up space. Shops don’t like it, mechanics hate it. at one time Honda and suzuki were the newcomers. it seems that generation Z or X or whatever millennials are called, those people are more interested in video games and cell phones than they are in motorcycles. That Harley Davidson tariff of 1984 that made motorcycles so expensive as a result, wiped out family generations of new motorcyclists. I know that over the past 40 years, the fact that motorcycles got too expensive due to the tariff eliminated generation, after generation of buying in expensive Japanese motorcycles. And it does riders that would have bought an expensive motorcycles would not all have been buying Harley’s when they got older. But some of them would. Maybe only a couple hundred thousand of them ..
I had a Moto Guzzi 850 T3 California in the eighties - good engine but always problems with clutch and gearbox. I even had to replace the ignition lock with a Honda. It didn't like rain.
I own a CF-Moto 450NK and I love it, the build quality is fantastic, the 270* engine is a real gem, they are as cheap as chips and comes with a 4 year warranty, what more do you want?
Totally agree with you and it's been one of my disappointments that smaller capacity engines haven't been reintroduced. Suzuki for example had their 125cc and the next size up is a 650 v-twin. The Honda 400 does look great, a bike I would consider.
interesting list... for me though no sports bikes whatsoever...impractical, uncomfortable and almost forces you to do stupid things....so, nah.... i do prefer a relaxed riding sensation and feeling and looks of retros or cruisers..or even adventure bikes
for me its the opposite. Any bike that is not a sportsbike looks lame and clownish, and boring in every way. If i want to sit upright and enjoy the view I’d buy a bicycle or sit in a car
I have a 2010 Honda VFR 1200F DCT with 170bhp! It is a fantastic bike but a little too sporty for long distance sport touring. I completely agree that Honda needs to come out with a powerful sport touring machine like the FJR 1300, but keep the V4 and the 170bhp, and have the option of the DCT, or the E-Clutch. Great vid and hope that some of these bikes do materialize! Ride safe…
The CFmoto looks good but a lot of its design elements were taken straight from Ducati and Aprilia. I've got an idea for Honda: Put a high output 1,000 cc V4 into the CBR1000RR (it'll cost a little more but I think people would buy it). Now detune that same engine and put it into the next generation VFR.
Will also say I’ve heard about the cf moto v4. Be nice to see a “less popular” brand whoop the arse of the big 4 in all aspects 👌💯😂 and never ridden the vfr but I can’t recall ever hearing a bad word against them. And deffo sound nice.
Great vid bud. Hopefully see some more inlines coming. The triples are great for nakeds and as much as I dislike them so are the parallel, but I think Yamaha have made some bad moves in recent years, ditching the r1 for the triple is a bad idea, just like the r7. Superbikes don’t benefit from parallel twins or triples. Shame about the death of most the inline 600s also. I think Kawasaki are the only ones who keep with the past and bring to the present.
I agree with pretty much all of that besides the Triples. I think the low end Torque of a triple is perfect and the high top speed is not so important. I am not a massive parallel twin fan. Without the 270 degree crank, they tend to just sound 'meh'. Inline 4's in the lower capacity engines are brilliant and have only disappeared due to emissions bollocks, sacrificing the sound, pull and all-round awesomeness. I love twins but only in V-format.
@@motorsforthemasses same. My favourite configuration is the vtwin but for superbikes inlines and v4 is the way to go. And I will agree on the triples they are awesome all round. I miss my triple rather a lot. (In naked form) I’d love to try the Daytona out but they don’t scream and come to life at the top like the inlines as the revs stop. So in a superbike that’s about top end im not so sure. My mind may be changed tho, I’d love to try and I’m 100% sure the r9 would be ten times the bike of the crappy r7 (😬) but it’s not going to be replacing the r1 or any other 1000cc inline four. In the road tho it may just be the perfect compromise
Cafe' sound better than the juvenile, priapic "naked". Why not combine Hornet and Naked and say it's a "Horney Naked". Just call this bike the CB1000F and be done with it. "Naked". Feh! I loathe that term for motorbikes. Sportsbikes are mostly useless in the real world. They are uncomfortable, return crappola mpg and did I mention they are stoopidly uncomfortable? They are. I agree with your assessment of small capacity motorbikes. Well said, sir! Manufacturers have long had no shame when ripping off Harley-Davidson so when will they look at their own storied history and make small capacity homages to their own great past(s)? They are stoopid not to. Kawasaki still hasn't made an ELR1000 or ELR900? WTI. What The Intercourse! CFMoto? I have a dealer but time for the big butt in the room. Dealers here come and go far too often and where can I get one serviced. This is also true of Kymco and their 550 Scooter. SS
RE's all seem to sell well, even the Continental GT. I think they will make a 650 Classic. It could be just for the Indian market but hopefully it will go to the rest of the world too. My worry is that it will be too much like the Interceptor.
I’d be in the queue at Honda if they bring out a well priced 400 four cylinder retro type. Just a great machine back in the day with an engine sound that was as sweet as syrup.
Back in 1978 I learned to ride on a Honda CB400F. I liked it but it was quite thirsty. So was the CB350F. My V2 Suzuki SV650 is much more economical. It will be exciting to see the CBX400.
CF Moto looking very good, but what about the dealer network and backup etc. Are they there yet? The Honda 400 looks more like the CBX 550 of yore than the CB400, ok, whatever, but it should have some sort of bikini fairing to protect the instruments and deflect a bit of the windblast IMO
What we need are more easy to ride motorcycles for the majority of the population who don't want or need a sports bike. In my part of the world the Kawasaki Vulcan 650 sells very well and has no direct competitors. Some of us would like to do 200 kph burst on a quiet road but jail etc is a big disincentive.
Considering that I rarely see a youngster on a motorcycle, it's usually 50+ year olds, retro is the way for them to go in my opinion. Although I'd probably still buy the original model rather than a hashed version like Suzuki did with the Katana for example.
CF Moto been 8n Australia for a while , they also supply some engines to Kawasaki , Great Wall are pretty crap in the car side of things but very keen on the S2000
R7 is a BS bike, dont put a commute engine in a supersport! The old R6 that was a beast! Dont know if the people with a real super sport would appreciate an 3 cil 900 cc supersport....
just be aware the Honda 400 four frame is not that strong, i'd avoid taking your scambler/Cafe over any jumps... but its otherwise a great machine, unless it rains... the petrol tank will funnel water onto the coils and they will cut out.... so it will morph into a 300/3... 200/2 and then your pushing.... better carry WD40 just in case...
Yamaha R9 is rumored for years… but for real, it would be a really unicorn in the current market as there is not really a gap between the 600cc and 1000cc sport bikes. Maybe the Panigale V2 or Mv Agusta 800 but those are ridicolously expensive and unreliable
Greetings from Canada. I have had a 1982 CB 750F and a 1983CB1100F. Would love to see a new CBF. I currently ride a 2015 VFR800F DLX, and would drool for a new VFR1000, maybe with shaft drive???? Let’s go Honda
Chinese quality? at Japanese prices? No thanks! My Sportster has outlasted all of my Honda's put together. Race bikes with turn signals shouldn't be allowed on public roads. Today's motorcycles are a collection of government regulations on 2 wheels. Vintage British motorcycles are rebuidable forever ♾️.
I don't think cfmoto being associated with KTM is a good thing. KTM have never been known as a maker of reliable motorcycles, especially now with their cheese cams and lack of customer service.
Let's work on light weight motorcycles.
I hope they bring out a new Suzuki V Strom 250. With speeding fines, speed limits, the price of petrol and the price of new bikes they make so much sense to own.
I really like my Suzuki Inazuma GW250. Forerunner of vstrom 250. Just enough power to get around not enough power to try doing anything silly.
Less big bikes, more small capacity non sports bikes from the Japanese manufacturers.
A Honda cb400 4 cylinder would be a big seller for Honda must have a round headlight- take my money
Would be a rocket on the market. A revvy retro-naked. :)
Muchly like the idea of a modern Honda 400/4
I'd rather see a memake CB400F than a CBX version. The 400F was a legend, the CBX550, less so.
The CBX550 had a much better fuel economy. The CB400F was thirsty.
Some bikes will be really interesting. In any case the 2025 will be a great year for the motorcycle world. :) Nice video bro. Enjoyed. Got my like.
I’m concerned about motorcycles not from the big four that I have experienced, over the decades, is resale. I have had 4 moto guzzi machines.. most people have never even heard of them. It took two years for me to sell my 2007 Norge. I never had a problem with it. It only had 15,000 miles on it when I sold it. The buyer was in his 60s, he had a garage full of large capacity motorcycles, all in pristine condition. He only bought mine because he never owned one before…
just look at Hyosung(spelling??).. Here in the US, I have seen some of those machines for sale on local websites for years. They never sold as far as I could tell. The same with Aprilia. There is a Aprilia motorcycle I have seen this is the third year now that that seller is using the same photos, and it appears to be the same motorcycle, it just doesn’t sell..
I loveed most of the dozens and dozens of motorcycles I have owned over the decades, I have only had one BMW. K1200 LT… that was not a difficult motorcycle to sell after I owned it for two years, and was fed up with it. It rode nice, it was gorgeous, it never broke down, but it was the most flawed motorcycle I ever owned, and the most top-heavy, the worst feeling brakes, The worst, feeling front end, in the most distorted windshield that I had to look through because of his height. But I had no trouble selling it because the reputation they earned before they started making the K bikes, still lives on. BMW is sure ain’t what they used to be..
I am not familiar with CF, Moto machines, but with computer design and sharing of technology, I think it would be possible for a company to make a modern reliable machine basically buying parts from suppliers without doing any of the development research..
my concern would be Quality control, and companies building to a price instead of to a standard..
just look at some of the side-by-side four wheelers available at your local hardware store. Without actually loaning one or driving one, I can see that some of the machines available have technology not much better than that of a 20 year old golf cart or go cart design. I realize that’s an oversimplification, but where do you buy parts for these machines? Where do you take it for service? Since the Harley Davidson inspired import motorcycle tariff of 1984, just within An hour of my home, there were 22 Japanese motorcycle shops. Three BMW shops, that number has been dropping over the 40 years since the tariff, today, there are only three Japanese motorcycle shops within an hour of my home, those three shops have been in business for decades, family owned, they have owned the building for decades. That’s the only way they could have survived. There are zero BMW shops within an hour of my home..
maybe CF Moto would do excellent business if they had dealerships with parts and service..
many motorcycle repair shops, even dealerships will not work on other brands of motorcycles. They don’t want a motorcycle apart waiting for parts taking up space. Shops don’t like it, mechanics hate it.
at one time Honda and suzuki were the newcomers.
it seems that generation Z or X or whatever millennials are called, those people are more interested in video games and cell phones than they are in motorcycles. That Harley Davidson tariff of 1984 that made motorcycles so expensive as a result, wiped out family generations of new motorcyclists.
I know that over the past 40 years, the fact that motorcycles got too expensive due to the tariff eliminated generation, after generation of buying in expensive Japanese motorcycles. And it does riders that would have bought an expensive motorcycles would not all have been buying Harley’s when they got older. But some of them would. Maybe only a couple hundred thousand of them ..
I had a Moto Guzzi 850 T3 California in the eighties - good engine but always problems with clutch and gearbox. I even had to replace the ignition lock with a Honda. It didn't like rain.
I own a CF-Moto 450NK and I love it, the build quality is fantastic, the 270* engine is a real gem, they are as cheap as chips and comes with a 4 year warranty, what more do you want?
Totally agree with you and it's been one of my disappointments that smaller capacity engines haven't been reintroduced. Suzuki for example had their 125cc and the next size up is a 650 v-twin. The Honda 400 does look great, a bike I would consider.
Need a slightly bigger version of Suzuki Inazuma 250
10:24 That looks brilliant. Nick
Take a good, long look at the VOGE motorcycle lineup...these are some good looking, capable, and AFFORDABLE motorcycles.
I watched your podcast hoping to learn more about the rumored GSX8S GT!
REALLY HOPING THEY RELEASE IT!
interesting list... for me though no sports bikes whatsoever...impractical, uncomfortable and almost forces you to do stupid things....so, nah.... i do prefer a relaxed riding sensation and feeling and looks of retros or cruisers..or even adventure bikes
for me its the opposite. Any bike that is not a sportsbike looks lame and clownish, and boring in every way. If i want to sit upright and enjoy the view I’d buy a bicycle or sit in a car
Is that first( cf moto) not a sportbike
CF-Moto hard to get on board with a CCP/China Company.
Like everything out of Chyna - are they 5 year life span then scrap yard.
CBX 400 is the only one that appeals to me. Looks great.
I have a 2010 Honda VFR 1200F DCT with 170bhp! It is a fantastic bike but a little too sporty for long distance sport touring. I completely agree that Honda needs to come out with a powerful sport touring machine like the FJR 1300, but keep the V4 and the 170bhp, and have the option of the DCT, or the E-Clutch. Great vid and hope that some of these bikes do materialize! Ride safe…
I "muchly" enjoyed this.
The CFmoto looks good but a lot of its design elements were taken straight from Ducati and Aprilia. I've got an idea for Honda: Put a high output 1,000 cc V4 into the CBR1000RR (it'll cost a little more but I think people would buy it). Now detune that same engine and put it into the next generation VFR.
I think the problem with a V4 in the Fireblade would make it too heavy and not as nimble.
Don't forget the rumors of a Kawasaki Versys H2 variant!
Will also say I’ve heard about the cf moto v4. Be nice to see a “less popular” brand whoop the arse of the big 4 in all aspects 👌💯😂 and never ridden the vfr but I can’t recall ever hearing a bad word against them. And deffo sound nice.
Great vid bud. Hopefully see some more inlines coming. The triples are great for nakeds and as much as I dislike them so are the parallel, but I think Yamaha have made some bad moves in recent years, ditching the r1 for the triple is a bad idea, just like the r7. Superbikes don’t benefit from parallel twins or triples. Shame about the death of most the inline 600s also. I think Kawasaki are the only ones who keep with the past and bring to the present.
I agree with pretty much all of that besides the Triples. I think the low end Torque of a triple is perfect and the high top speed is not so important. I am not a massive parallel twin fan. Without the 270 degree crank, they tend to just sound 'meh'. Inline 4's in the lower capacity engines are brilliant and have only disappeared due to emissions bollocks, sacrificing the sound, pull and all-round awesomeness. I love twins but only in V-format.
@@motorsforthemasses same. My favourite configuration is the vtwin but for superbikes inlines and v4 is the way to go. And I will agree on the triples they are awesome all round. I miss my triple rather a lot. (In naked form) I’d love to try the Daytona out but they don’t scream and come to life at the top like the inlines as the revs stop. So in a superbike that’s about top end im not so sure. My mind may be changed tho, I’d love to try and I’m 100% sure the r9 would be ten times the bike of the crappy r7 (😬) but it’s not going to be replacing the r1 or any other 1000cc inline four. In the road tho it may just be the perfect compromise
Cafe' sound better than the juvenile, priapic "naked". Why not combine Hornet and Naked and say it's a "Horney Naked". Just call this bike the CB1000F and be done with it. "Naked". Feh! I loathe that term for motorbikes. Sportsbikes are mostly useless in the real world. They are uncomfortable, return crappola mpg and did I mention they are stoopidly uncomfortable? They are.
I agree with your assessment of small capacity motorbikes. Well said, sir! Manufacturers have long had no shame when ripping off Harley-Davidson so when will they look at their own storied history and make small capacity homages to their own great past(s)? They are stoopid not to. Kawasaki still hasn't made an ELR1000 or ELR900? WTI. What The Intercourse!
CFMoto? I have a dealer but time for the big butt in the room. Dealers here come and go far too often and where can I get one serviced. This is also true of Kymco and their 550 Scooter.
SS
Nothing Chinese for me except Nems prehaps
I think the Hornet is the spiritual successor to the Night Hawk.
Zontes are bringing out ZT-703F three-cylinder adventure bike, and the 500 T
I'm interested in what you think of R. E. Making a 650 classic, first do you think they'll do it and second do you think it would be any good ?
RE's all seem to sell well, even the Continental GT. I think they will make a 650 Classic. It could be just for the Indian market but hopefully it will go to the rest of the world too. My worry is that it will be too much like the Interceptor.
Do you have Kove motorcycles in Uk? I just make a purchase for the Kove 510x, excellent Chinese bikes...take a look 👍✌️
I’d be in the queue at Honda if they bring out a well priced 400 four cylinder retro type. Just a great machine back in the day with an engine sound that was as sweet as syrup.
You missed one... did you not hear the rumour that Kawasaki are putting the H2 engine in a Versys1000 package?
I did...and forgot lol
I'd like to see a 900 Super Tenere
There's rumour that Suzuki might be remaking a DR400/650 - SM for 25 yr anniversary. Fingers crossed.
The 400 four is the only one sounds interesting!
Please honda. Nake a new vfr. Have 8th gen. Love it ! 10 years old now though.
not with that stupid Vtech BS
Back in 1978 I learned to ride on a Honda CB400F. I liked it but it was quite thirsty. So was the CB350F. My V2 Suzuki SV650 is much more economical. It will be exciting to see the CBX400.
How about Honda GB750 ? pics looked stunning
honda should bring back the magna
v4 cruiser
I've still got my 82 750 and besides from the tiny petrol tank I love it.
CF Moto looking very good, but what about the dealer network and backup etc. Are they there yet? The Honda 400 looks more like the CBX 550 of yore than the CB400, ok, whatever, but it should have some sort of bikini fairing to protect the instruments and deflect a bit of the windblast IMO
I miss the sound of an inline 4 screaming bike that actually sounds like a race machine. I hate the deep sounding crossplane and twin sounding bikes.
Plenty cf Moto dealer in my area now
Can’t wait to have a ride on the mt 450
Me too
Cf moto need to bring the papio x01 and x02 😃👍🏻
V4 honda sounds great, i hope it happens! I have s black 900 hornet too, excellent bike!
I'm quite surprised you didn't mention the cfmoto 500sr vroom in your list
450 cc triple. Why not. Just different enough. Naked work for me
What we need are more easy to ride motorcycles for the majority of the population who don't want or need a sports bike. In my part of the world the Kawasaki Vulcan 650 sells very well and has no direct competitors. Some of us would like to do 200 kph burst on a quiet road but jail etc is a big disincentive.
Considering that I rarely see a youngster on a motorcycle, it's usually 50+ year olds, retro is the way for them to go in my opinion.
Although I'd probably still buy the original model rather than a hashed version like Suzuki did with the Katana for example.
CF Moto been 8n Australia for a while , they also supply some engines to Kawasaki , Great Wall are pretty crap in the car side of things but very keen on the S2000
Loved the two VFR's I had
Any twin side exhaust bike coming?
I struggle with the concept that when they make a 409 they scale it down in size where they only suite hobbits
R7 is a BS bike, dont put a commute engine in a supersport! The old R6 that was a beast! Dont know if the people with a real super sport would appreciate an 3 cil 900 cc supersport....
just be aware the Honda 400 four frame is not that strong, i'd avoid taking your scambler/Cafe over any jumps... but its otherwise a great machine, unless it rains... the petrol tank will funnel water onto the coils and they will cut out.... so it will morph into a 300/3... 200/2 and then your pushing.... better carry WD40 just in case...
Why don't CF Moto do a 800 or 1000cc version of their 650GT
I guess that is where the 800MT sport sort of comes in...
Yamaha R9 is rumored for years… but for real, it would be a really unicorn in the current market as there is not really a gap between the 600cc and 1000cc sport bikes. Maybe the Panigale V2 or Mv Agusta 800 but those are ridicolously expensive and unreliable
Greetings from Canada. I have had a 1982 CB 750F and a 1983CB1100F. Would love to see a new CBF. I currently ride a 2015 VFR800F DLX, and would drool for a new VFR1000, maybe with shaft drive???? Let’s go Honda
@ronloibl7379 Honda seem to like redoing various options of the same bike so....maybe.
Bring back the retro 4 exhaust pipes!!. Single pipes look shit in comparison!!.
100%
Yes RETRO PLEASE ❤
Ooh look a new ktm
Only 1 Chopsy mate😉
Would love to see a CB700SC retro bike. Had one brand new in 86. Buggers stole it from my driveway before I had it a year.
Chinese quality? at Japanese prices? No thanks! My Sportster has outlasted all of my Honda's put together. Race bikes with turn signals shouldn't be allowed on public roads. Today's motorcycles are a collection of government regulations on 2 wheels. Vintage British motorcycles are rebuidable forever ♾️.
a bit like Zontes
Since you are into retro bikes save your money. Instead of new you could buy 3 use bikes.
I WANT TO SEE A NEW DRZ400SM!!
WHY do you people insist on such a LOOOONG intro GET ON WITH IT
The Chinese are coming looking forward to seeing the Kove 800
I don't think cfmoto being associated with KTM is a good thing. KTM have never been known as a maker of reliable motorcycles, especially now with their cheese cams and lack of customer service.
Yes yes yes on the Honda cb400 /4 all the others can stay in someone else’s garage.
Isn't the problem with cfmoto the crap build quality and poor typically Chinese materials?
Have you seen them?
honda retro 500
they are all boring bikes ahead it seems
Hang on a second.
Regarding your remarks
re the R6 and R9:
CO2 makes trees trees grow.
It doesn't destroy them.
40 co2's less. Say it isn't so?