Who's House Is It Anyway? (1986) BBC TV Documentary - Barnsley Council vs The Howard Brothers
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- 1986 BAFTA Award Winner Best Factual Series
Most people believe their home is their castle. But it isn't. If the council want it, it's theirs. Billy and Gordon Howard still believe Rose Cottage belongs to them. Barnsley Council knows better. It has placed a compulsory purchase order on the cottage and surrounding land. Legally the council is the owner. The bachelor brothers are 65 and 73. They are set in their ways and absolutely refuse to budge. They doggedly refuse to recognise the validity of an order confirmed by a Secretary of State. Their stance is a symbol of the impossibility of reconciling individual freedom with community needs. For when the bailiffs come, the brothers say they will shoot, rather than give up their birthright. Following the first showing of this film the story took a surprising turn ...
Photography REX MAIDMENT, DAVID FEIG
Film recordist DON LEE
Film editor TONY HEAVEN
Executive producer ROGER MILLS
Director DAVID PEARSON (R) - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
How generous of the counsel. Forcibly buys your and home for a quarter of market value... then offer to rent you a new home built on your stolen land...
Well put, and what's worse true! They're crooks, and if you did it to them personally, can you imagine the uproar. They really are some of the most evil people that I have met, and I have met plenty, but some of these Council boys excel in lies, tyranny, and malice, and finally enjoy spreading misery. I wonder who breeds them...the Council? Or the Gestapo!!!
I know,you couldn't make it up. Btw,what part of the USSR was it shot in?
2 brothers with principles. They should have left them to live out their lives where they were.
Absolutely! A tyrannical set of evil c_unts are Barnsley Council, and it's right what he said, they take from the people and lie. I've had run-ins and intend to have another yet, as they almost took my house too, based on lies and evil, and the courts back them. The working man has little chance really, but you can try. I shall!!! Again! Shame for these bros at their time in life. Sick!!!
Can't believe I have stumbled on this wonderful documentary. I can't believe they would not leave these two elderly gentlemen to live and die in peace and let time take it's course. I remember watching it when it was broadcast. Two wonderful old characters who at least put up a resistance to authority. Not many folk left like that nowday's. Thank you so much for sharing this. Subscribed!
Who's House Is It Anyway? (1986) BBC TV Documentary - Barnsley Council vs The Howard Brothers 22244pm 31.8.23 the era of the downtrodden featured within the fly on the wall documentary series. now if they attempted similar they'd be simulated characterizations... "given up on everyone" is where i'm at. which occurred circa 1995... when that term justice reared its ugly head. and that's about all it is: a word.
Wow did you see the state of that poor man at the end, they literally killed him off it’s disgusting that was allowed to happen wow so sad 😢
I bet the neighbour wishes she didn’t have a council estate beside her now
They should have hung there heads in shame for what they did to these two brothers, very big of the council.They should have let brothers live there natural life's out ,Full Stop !!!
Absolutely. Heartless, and evil!
Elephant and Castle springs to mind, you can smell the corruption even way back then.
How much have these councilors been slipped to get their greedy hands on this land.
It's about right for Barnsley council really. They ripped the heart out of Barnsley between the 60s and 90s, and filled in the hole with slabs of concrete.
Still happening today, but while people keep voting for the labour council it will keep happening. They are disgusting
They bloody destroyed Barnsley, they built on every bit of spare land they can, cheap shite houses. I loved growing up there but when I go back nar, it's not the same, no one knows anyone. It's lost that tight community bond, no one knows anyone anymore.
@@GreenthumbsGarden Yes, not the same, neither the community, nor the housing which is ridiculous. The just built on the last field in my mining town, and were about to build on the old school and school fields on the edge of town. Nowhere to breathe anymore.
They're bast_rds as well, liars, tyrants..take anything and everything from you, whether it's legal just or not. The people I like, the Council are too good for silver bullets!
The fact is, it was the Tories that ripped the heart & soul out of Barnsley & do not let anyone tell you any different.
Typical Barnsley council, Barnsley was one of the best market towns in England until the Barnsley council ruined it, all the town needed was some bypass roads around it and the town centre pedestrianising.
I smell some kickbacks involved in this particular case.
I think most Councils do that, I've seen elsewhere since I left Barnsley, but Barnsley Council hires the most stubborn, hardy, bullshitters and misery spreaders, I'm sure. I've never encountered a crowd like them. Monsters!!!
Proof you can never beat the system. But you can bloody well play it.
Absolutely right
Only in 1986 too. They were going to take their house off them and RENT them a house. Their house / land was worth £200 000 ish and they'd likely be offered £50.000. They were cantankerous n stubborn but can't say I blamed em. The councillors were just soulless jobsworths
Soulless, yes. Not a bit of truth in them, nor compassion. Evil tyrants, using the Law to get their way, keep their jobs, gain a promotion, and make some unseen developer some quick bucks.
Who's House Is It Anyway? (1986) BBC TV Documentary - Barnsley Council vs The Howard Brothers 2306pm 31.8.23 looks like a street used in the ripping yarns series which suggests such and such tv channel was after having them ousted from their home..
Should of been left alone, Councillors should be ashamed
This film destroys the myth of house ownership, the plebs don’t own anything.
Plebs
I watched this, and it is absolutely disgusting how Barnsley Council treated 2 old men in THEIR own home. The council should have just waited and then compulsary purchased the farm when they passed on. What right do the council have to decide they can better use some-ones land. The poor old boys probably didn't live much longer after this after being uprooted from their home. And who gave him a black eye ?
Not sure why they can take you home .it's wrong if you don't want to sell it, It never works the other way
i think he walked into a coppers fist
Councillors have always been untouchable crooks anyway
36:15 absolute belter of a line, that was her told lol
TheWacoKid1963
You are not wrong there son. I watch this as a teenager with my old man when it was first shown on TV and we howled at the line.
It stayed with us both untill my Dad passed away.
When I saw your comment even though I had not watched this upload I thought you were refering th the "washing comment" and sure enough you were.
A belter of a line said without any recourse to humour but bloody hilarious all the same.
All the best Andy
I’ve seen some of this before but an earlier documentary, Gordon looks more frail and tearful at times bless him. The Barnsley dialect is wonderful to hear you need to replay it to make out what Billy is saying sometimes! Great stuff thanks for posting it’s a rare piece of film👍
The Howard’s were/are an incredible family. I am a descendant and a rebel also. My mom who has now passed, grew up in this family and had so many stories to tell her children and grandchildren. The Howard’s were entrepreneurs, land owners, farmers, shop and dancehall owners and patented the glass tubing (instead of lead) means to pump beer in pubs. This stealing of land is truly a lesson for all of us.
lived near these two bless em, should have left em alone
If they were a private busines the council would have given them 4 times the price
This is so sad that they couldn't just leave them in peace
poor old men - just leave them in peace and don't judge how they live as I bet they don't spend every other week at the doctors.The terrace house was so depressing and completely unsuitable - why should they get rid of their animals which they love? Disgusting
06:53 Asking somebody why they didn't get married is rude and personal very ignorant question!
they didn't seem offended by the question, if they were likely the sensitive snowflake types they wouldn't have asked it. No harm done, a source of amusement in truth. These are old Yorkshire folk born in the 20s approx, not some Gen-Z fragile types
@@daffyduk77get a grip
@@COMPILATIONCOMMANDER I don't know what planet you're on, pal ? Planet snowflake ?
they could have built on the land and left the home till the men passed away. but that would be a way of caring.
That not how Socialism works.
The brothers ended up in a nearby farm property owned by a third Howard brother who had not long passed away. Even then they got council aggro. Their possessions did not get sent on to them by the council, the least they could have done, instead their stuff was sent to a rubbish dump as demolition began immediately after the brothers were forced out. Sadly, but unsurprisingly the older of the two brothers passed away a short time after they were kicked out.
Wonderful brothers, happy and content.
Bloody sin 2 old brothers getting booted out its unfair 😒 😤 😪
How could any council get away with this ? It is their home. xx
Socialism
I wonder which brave 1980’s copper gave him that black eye?
And I bet this still goes on today. Disgusting and shameful.
HS2
When ever a council gets involved, its good bye to sanity of feelings, afterall councilors are only people who could not succeed in any occupation.
Council's demanding a compulsory purchase of the old brothers property really was a very shady affair.....
Set of bastard's..... greasey palms and dastardly deads...... money money money.......
Thanks for uploading this. It's part of the excellent 40 Minutes series.
I saw the one about a coaster.
Don't seem to make many Documentaries on the TV these days .
This is why I hate authorities, take more off you and give you less. I felt so bad for these Barnsley men. I would have fought tooth and nail for them If I had the power to do so!
I can remember this happening i use to live on beach street they lived at the top
Poor old boys . No way to be treated
Sickened to the core.
What ever happened to the good old brothers?
They probably didn't live much longer after being uprooted.
Nothing has changed... even now men in suits telling the working men and women how they should live....think...and now eat....
Has any council ever taken a country estate to build a town on?
The problem is, the council and the public servants, don't know they are paid by the public and work for the public. The council and public servants just think the public are their sugar daddies.
The council people involved in this case may never have a days luck again. for what they put these two old gentlemen through. INFACT MAY THEY ALL ROT IN HELL.
This happened in North London by London Transport which became TFL in 2000. They forced most people out of their homes along the North Circular Road to widen it, however this plan was dropped and all these houses have stood in a derelict and dangerous state for 40 years.
The plastic men of the council are mean, dreadful, awful daleks.
Only the Daleks come close to this level of evil, and it was great to see some of the locals putting up a fight. There should have been a riot!
Noooo daleks arnt that bad
Who's House Is It Anyway? (1986) BBC TV Documentary - Barnsley Council vs The Howard Brothers 2308pm 31.8.23 amanda tries to foist her debt on to an unsuspecting chap.... does she succeed?
Ahh,mGod bless the two brothers....can't blame them😊
Crazy if you think the Howard's bros owned half of worsbourgh common n council just took it off them
hounded the two old men to there graves.
They walked 🚶♂️ past the guy with the trowel,didn't even say good morning .
This story is utterly relevant now, even worse, look at Huddersfield Council now turfing out students from flats they've paid for, for effing migrants!
Barnsley council are still the same jobsworths know it alls..wasting money through the borough.
Same lying, evil tyrants as well. Where do they manufacture the Council workers? Are they a new form of Daleks???
This is what happens when basic human rights are no longer considered paramount. May every singe soul in that council have burnt in hell. No, scratch that; May every single one of them endlessly have suffered from disease and personal tragedy. And may that property forever be hallowed by the spirit of these two elderly heroes.
Thank you so much for posting an absolute gem! Don't know how I arrived here tbh.
God rest there souls.
Those Councilors were arrogant jobsworths.
Walked on top of the laborer doing the cement.
Go on bugger off !!! Take yer hook .or has we say in lancashire Sling yer hook !!! Bloody council !!!
It’s sad the government can remove u as they see fit sad
That Socialism though, I thought you Brits loved it? Free healthcare and all.
Poor buggers.
Disgusting what barnsley council did to those two old men.and its no better now wasting thousands on pointless enterprises.when u report a problem they dont want to know,its too much trouble for em
Gotta live this man
I'm crying.
Me too! Another travesty of life, even your home of over a century, the place of your birth, and in the twilight of your days, is not sacred, nor really your own, if some tyrant council man tells you to get off the land, after which a number of pockets are quite naturally feathered. The real issues is that there are far too many jerks in this society, who never have enough.
It just goes to show that ownership of “your” land doesn’t mean anything if the powers that be decide otherwise.
This was British Socialism at its best (or worse)
They gave them free healthcare though.
I live near there; Walk past that old people's home they built every other day.
No one wants to rent,we want to own!!!!
Leave these guys alone it's Thier house not the GOVERMENTS and councils I hope they get a solicitor to fight for them my heart goes out to them
Bit late for that as it was in the 80s, both men will be long gone now. Wonder how they got on after they were moved?
I’m not surprised they don’t want to move,what a shite house they’re offering them
I’m not religious but I’ll use the phrase anyway,these poor old boys are in Gods house now,no council can ever evict them from there!!!!!!!
Sad. Nowadays they would have been out within a couple of years. Cool documentary. Thanks for uploading.
He told them what to do. He wanted another similar property so they should have gone and looked for one. Would have saved a lot of time and stress in the long run
Gotta hate the council.
👊bugger off good on you,
They were born and bred there ,no one had the right to interfere in their lives. Born and bred for generations literally maybe a thousand years or more. Anybody who interferes in their rights will have to answer to God.Amen.
so, you got it but they can steal it at anytime. barstewards.
Thank goodness this isn't happening today with all the new arrivals requiring housing.
Council robots. They're everywhere.
Legalised robbery.
Nope, Socialism.
House snatching is theft.they can build those bungalows somewhere else.
Those two old lads needed somebody 'reight' talking to them, not folk trying to talk posh in fancy suits and maybe all the bitterness and heartache could have been avoided. And the first house they wanted to show them -- somebody needed a kick up the backside for that. I hope the old lads at least found some sort of happiness in their remaining years. Although I doubt it. Poor old buggers.
They still do this in Spain!!!!!!
Oh dear it is so upsetting poor brothers......
12.25 'What would ya Dad say, you doing this job. I've talked to you about this before.'
Always been a wicked system to the working man.
The Brits loved their Socialism, this is the dark side of it.
Hey, at least they had free healthcare.🤷♂️
How do they think these old men feel getting forced out of there home .What about there animals etc? Nothing will ever replace there place of birth and all there memories. The council dont give a damn about them at all. Breaks my heart try this today 💔 and see where you get 💔
Thee get in the washtub 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 So funny but a proud man
All that land and they offer em a terrace wi no land 😂😂😂😂 joke!!!
If it matters and if anybody is listening - My Gran - 64 Harborough Hills Road to build a "better road". Oh and by the way she purchased the property in the Great Depression 'cos she didn't like the man coming round for the rent. And she had five children. So much for more the smug planners. Bet they never were compulsorily purchased from their property.
David and Goliath stuff , did you see the smile on the council womans face when they tried to give him the keys , it was as if they were talking to a child , the old yin was right about the town losing jobs from the government closing down the mines , government council, unbelievable documentary that i just all of a sudden came across ,hmm
My God they're old men. How long do they've to live? Let them live out their days in that house! Their house is full of precious antiques! Too bad the old men couldn't of held an auction and hired a lawyer to fight the council. Private Property laws in America are much stronger than Britain.
The brothers are the only people in the film to use language with any degree of dignity
So work all your life / buy a house with some land where your happy. Then have it taken from you/ go live in a council house that you then have to pay rent for for rest of your life/ can't keep your pets/ then when you die you have nothing to leave your children because the council stole it from you by force
The least they could of done was to give the the council house ( transfer ownership to the brothers) plus cash compensation
Gangsters them councils
WHOSE house is it anyway ?
Omg how appalling was this. I just can't believe someone can just take your home like this
Council dont help. I have tried to get help before and they woudnt.when i got threatened with eviction in 1999 i got told to look for private accom because the derwentside council would not help me or my children who were young then.
One, they are evil and utterly, utterly tyrannical and destitute within, and secondly, they are given way too much power over others. We need a people's party of some kind to enable people to fight these decisions and Benefits and other issues, which can easily change and use the law for the common good. They literally bulldozer and steamroller people the Council.
Albert Dryden knew how to deal with corrupt Derwentside council officers.
wonder what would happen if the council wanted to compulsary purchase buckingham palace hypocricy at its best in thatchers tory britain
I can see both sides of the story.The council have ridden roughshod over the brothers using the law.If those council members were in the Same position they would realise the power that a house has for people.But the site was a bit of a shambles,and could have done with tidying up.This was never going to happen.I think the council had a thumping cheek to offer them that tiny house,presumably for rent.The 4 bedroom house was,I my opinion a much better prospect,and should have been offered at a very low rent,but we weren’t told.
If they had concerns re: sanitation , unsightliness or whatever, they should have approached the brothers & expected them to fix that problem - perhaps with council paying for the fix (if independently verified) and only in event they wouldn't agree, then they'd have more justification for their action
Just came across this .poor old men under pressure at there age disgusting. And fast forward what was achieved bloody council no feelings no compassion. Can not do business with council's as most of them are just bloody jobsworth. But what these overpayed irritating untouchable well what they should remember is this is real people who have lived there lives who should be left in peace
Builders and councillors profiting again, as we can see today there is plenty of building sites with all the building going on. its disgusts me how they were treated.
Can someone please tell me their responses to the question of why they didn't get married? Brother bill's speech was tricky to comprehend
He said a man should have 2 wives so when ones got monk on you've got another to go at, well you asked so I told ya n ya can't sit 2 on a 3 piece suite 😂
The first brother said he didn't have time.
@@samantharawson5023 whats monk ?
@@clair233 monk/face on (upset with someone).
@@clair233 monks always have a serious face on lol
You'll own nothing and be happy . Nothing has changed.. evil people council.
Crooks in suits .nothing changed .
Typical council same all over the country
Treat people as you would like to be treated yourself.that council wouldn't like to be taken out of their homes would they?
Anchors ''w''
So they wanted to take it of them for fifty grand it’s worth 200grand we’re they live is paid for so they want to take it of them and and then charge them for rent on there own property unbelievable
If it's his property, he owns it, unless their was a danger occurring this man should not be touched. Seperately, but especially a hard working, bill paying, honest citizen. Despite the need for more housing, should not bother a property owner unless he agrees. There are rules of course, but in the case of decency, leave him alone. Go and ask some rich country Lord, owning a manor, with acres of land and bill on his land.
If I was them I would burn all of the houses