Hi Roger! I enjoyed today's livestream with Rafael Ludwig and I wish you all the luck with the tips he had for us. On this subject, PAL vs. NTSC, I've been experimenting a lot lately with my Sony mirrorless (A5100, A6400 and an A7III). I'm based in Sweden so my natural choice is PAL which I use when I do client videos. But when it comes to livestreaming my guitar playing workshops where I'm pushing it really hard with a 3 camera setup (using the Atem Mini Pro and a capture card + Thunderbolt Dock), I'm trying to make everything as smooth as possible because people need to see my hands, the guitar strings and all movements. Some things I play are fast and considering every little moment, Ive been testing both PAL and NTSC. The latter because of wanting to use 30 fps that gets a bit more frames into a second than 24 or 25fps. This difference can sound silly to someone but I really wanted to try everything. Strangely, I haven't noticed any flickering with NTSC but I might have been visually concentrated too much on the guitar and camera angles. Then the ECAMM software has 30fps setting of the video output rate, it can also use 60fps. Also, sometimes it's better to use manual focus because AF can start hunting me considering that I also have 3-4 lights in the background as well as my quite dark overall setup. Still working on it....
Yeah, the livestream with Rafael was fun, and there was a lot of good tips and ideas 😊 If you use dedicated video lights for your videos you probably won’t notice any flickering no matter what mode you use 😊 You’ll only notice flickering if you use regular house lights 😊 60fps could also be an option if you don’t want motion blur in your videos 😊
Jesus, I have to give you a thumb up, Maybe it's wildly known by “ Pro " but you gave an answer to the myth why my the camera I bought in China came with only 100fps (M6 M2). I'm noob with cam btw but thx for the great info
I was wondering whether the voice change was influenced rather by the change of camera and their different mics than the use of NTSC 24fps in an PAL 25fps environment? Is that not just as plausible :)
In this case it’s the difference in fps.. of course cameras will have different sounds with the internal microphones, but editing the footage I used in the video as an example in a 24fps timeline, the pitch was correct 😊
If you have issues with flickering due to using another region system (usually people want to use NTSC in 50 Hz countries), you can always change shutter speed slightly for such scenes (i.e. to 50 for NTSC 30 fps) and I doubt anyone would ever notice it.
dont have much to do with it because mine are 3d renders, but I have an ips screen (it's a screen that has more colors than normal lcd screens) I also draw so I pay attention to colors, a lot I can't help but see that the every video I upload to TH-cam look much opaque than the original video when I upload them, all the colors turn grayer, is there a way to solve this ? ? i was try to exagerate the colors in video editing trying to compensate that but never work, still looks worse that the original almost 6 years witht this TOC
It could be several things, could be your NLE, could be the format you export in, could be TH-cams rendering… sorry, don’t have an exact answer for you.
Can the NSTC audio track and video change slightly faster "PAL", as in the PAL version you can see differences from the audio track but not the video quality. What would be the perspectives on this?
If you film something in NTSC, 24 fps, and put this in a PAL, 25fps, timeline, the audio will change. A speaking voice will sound slightly higher pitched..
Hi, I live in Italy but I'm thinking anyway to shut outside in NTSC 30fps (60ss) and to use it in the timeline set at 24fps, so I can have the possibility to have a minimum slo-mo of 0,8 in case I would need. Do you think it can work?
Please state correctly. Pal, or more correct 50 hz, is used in most of the world. MIST OF THE WORLD…Not just Europe, Australia etc, but every where outside America’s and a very few other countries 😖😖😖. Higher pitched voices, and speed up, only apply to 24fps sped up to Pal speeds.. Being that 50hz countries out number 60hz countries…. Everybody should follow that route..
What? GoPro can't set PAL! I've used GoPros since the original GoPro HD Hero, and, despite that camera's horrible settings menus, NTSC and PAL were both available, even then. Perhaps you use the term "GoPro" to mean any generic action camera, some of which may not provide a setting? Of course, "PAL" and "NTSC" are both obsolete systems from the days of analogue TV, and it's a pity camera manufacturers don't make it clear what the setting is actually for.
Thank you so much, I have a hunch where it's related to the power grid and glad I got a confirmation!
Thank you. Great explanation
Nice explanation. Almost to 1000!
Tnx 😊 Almost 😊
Hi Roger! I enjoyed today's livestream with Rafael Ludwig and I wish you all the luck with the tips he had for us. On this subject, PAL vs. NTSC, I've been experimenting a lot lately with my Sony mirrorless (A5100, A6400 and an A7III).
I'm based in Sweden so my natural choice is PAL which I use when I do client videos. But when it comes to livestreaming my guitar playing workshops where I'm pushing it really hard with a 3 camera setup (using the Atem Mini Pro and a capture card + Thunderbolt Dock), I'm trying to make everything as smooth as possible because people need to see my hands, the guitar strings and all movements. Some things I play are fast and considering every little moment, Ive been testing both PAL and NTSC. The latter because of wanting to use 30 fps that gets a bit more frames into a second than 24 or 25fps. This difference can sound silly to someone but I really wanted to try everything. Strangely, I haven't noticed any flickering with NTSC but I might have been visually concentrated too much on the guitar and camera angles.
Then the ECAMM software has 30fps setting of the video output rate, it can also use 60fps. Also, sometimes it's better to use manual focus because AF can start hunting me considering that I also have 3-4 lights in the background as well as my quite dark overall setup. Still working on it....
Yeah, the livestream with Rafael was fun, and there was a lot of good tips and ideas 😊
If you use dedicated video lights for your videos you probably won’t notice any flickering no matter what mode you use 😊 You’ll only notice flickering if you use regular house lights 😊
60fps could also be an option if you don’t want motion blur in your videos 😊
@@RogerAVHansen Yes, 60fps (or as I set it now in PAL - 50fps w. 1/100 shutter) has become my new experiment... Thanks!
For TH-cam videos what will you recommend pal or NSTC because I am in Ireland . Thanks.
I would recommend PAL mode, 25/50/100 FPS 😊
Great video, really enjoying your channel :)
Thank you for watching 😊 Glad my videos has something of interest for you 😊
Jesus, I have to give you a thumb up, Maybe it's wildly known by “ Pro " but you gave an answer to the myth why my the camera I bought in China came with only 100fps (M6 M2). I'm noob with cam btw but thx for the great info
Glad my video could help you 😊 And thank you for the thumbs up! 😊 Appreciate it! Have a great day!
thx it was really helpful
Glad you liked it 😊
Excellent
Thank you ☺️
Great video. Is there a reason why America chose 24 fps instead of 25fps?
Because 60Hz divided by 25fps is 2,4, and 60Hz divided by 24fps is 2,5. The math doesn’t ad up, and you get flickering in your footage 😊
I was wondering whether the voice change was influenced rather by the change of camera and their different mics than the use of NTSC 24fps in an PAL 25fps environment? Is that not just as plausible :)
In this case it’s the difference in fps.. of course cameras will have different sounds with the internal microphones, but editing the footage I used in the video as an example in a 24fps timeline, the pitch was correct 😊
If you have issues with flickering due to using another region system (usually people want to use NTSC in 50 Hz countries), you can always change shutter speed slightly for such scenes (i.e. to 50 for NTSC 30 fps) and I doubt anyone would ever notice it.
Good tip 😊 Thanks for watching 😊
Does the flickering happen with natural light sources also (especially in low light)? Or only electrical light source
dont have much to do with it because mine are 3d renders, but I have an ips screen (it's a screen that has more colors than normal lcd screens)
I also draw so I pay attention to colors, a lot
I can't help but see that the every video I upload to TH-cam look much opaque than the original video when I upload them, all the colors turn grayer, is there a way to solve this ? ?
i was try to exagerate the colors in video editing trying to compensate that but never work, still looks worse that the original almost 6 years witht this TOC
It could be several things, could be your NLE, could be the format you export in, could be TH-cams rendering… sorry, don’t have an exact answer for you.
@@RogerAVHansen probably the youtube compresor has less color tones, i guess
I am from Europe, I have a dji action 4 and I want to film in 30 fps (not 29.97)(1/60 shutter) is that fine ?
Can the NSTC audio track and video change slightly faster "PAL", as in the PAL version you can see differences from the audio track but not the video quality. What would be the perspectives on this?
If you film something in NTSC, 24 fps, and put this in a PAL, 25fps, timeline, the audio will change. A speaking voice will sound slightly higher pitched..
@@RogerAVHansen Can Audacity have a "high pitch" program?
It might, but I don’t know, haven’t used Audacity more than one time and that’s a long time ago 😊
Hi, I live in Italy but I'm thinking anyway to shut outside in NTSC 30fps (60ss) and to use it in the timeline set at 24fps, so I can have the possibility to have a minimum slo-mo of 0,8 in case I would need. Do you think it can work?
If you’re filming outside in natural light I think it will be fine 😊
what about africa ? should we use PAL or NTSC ??
Please state correctly. Pal, or more correct 50 hz, is used in most of the world. MIST OF THE WORLD…Not just Europe, Australia etc, but every where outside America’s and a very few other countries 😖😖😖.
Higher pitched voices, and speed up, only apply to 24fps sped up to Pal speeds..
Being that 50hz countries out number 60hz countries…. Everybody should follow that route..
What? GoPro can't set PAL!
I've used GoPros since the original GoPro HD Hero, and, despite that camera's horrible settings menus, NTSC and PAL were both available, even then.
Perhaps you use the term "GoPro" to mean any generic action camera, some of which may not provide a setting?
Of course, "PAL" and "NTSC" are both obsolete systems from the days of analogue TV, and it's a pity camera manufacturers don't make it clear what the setting is actually for.