@@cattech4050 I guess you need a different version of KRNL386.EXE. It is certainly an interesting topic to make an SMP OS on top of DOS. Maybe Jim Hall can give you some answers.
Windows 98 will work just fine with USB 2.0 PCI or PCIe (these are rare) or PCIe-PCI bridge. I tried all combinations. What you need to do is to manually add PCI bus through the add new hardware manager. I think Omores has a video on it and also some articles.
You need to add the PCI Bus as a device from the "Add Hardware" wizard. Once you have the PCI bus working, Windows will detect all of the remaining devices on the motherboard including the GPU in the PCIE x16 slot. Since you're using a USB stick as the boot device, don't allow it to install drivers for USB (switch to a SATA drive if you want to use USB) by clicking the "Cancel" button. Once you have all of the on-board devices installed, re-run the driver install for your GPU.
About the VDD error, for my MSI GTX 1060 I found different VBIOS versions on the msi forum, some VBIOS version fixed the VDD error and it allowed me to boot in win98 but starting dos games or opening command prompt would freeze the system with the monitor turning off. Last week I think I added audio and internet(using usb ethernet adapter) to win98 on z690, I saw your video and I thought to make a video about it too, and I did, I uploaded it today.
Congratulations 🎊 Very exciting, just like last time. But Windows 98 is right. The core architecture is based on the Pentium 3. Therefore, it is recognized as a Pentium 3.
I think you need to make sure those PS2 adapters installed to the PCI during the windows install so if there are any drivers they will be installed, there is no auto drivers installed on 98 just by plugging in the adapter
Install unofficial 82.69 drivers for that 6800 GS (preferably via the INF file since the automated installer doesn't work well) Instead of USB stick, install on a SATA HDD/SSD and install the AHCI driver from R. Loew to get full speed and no stutters.
Yes, W9x is only 1 core. XP is up to two cores, same for Vista. Windows7 is technically limited to 32 fopr the 32 bit version and 256 for the 64 bit version but even with modern CPUs that is effectively unlimited.
One issue I've got, at least in Virtual Box, is mine recognises 1022MB RAM and my Ryzen 3 4100 no problem. The issue for me is that I can't for the life of me understand why it's 2MB short of 1GB RAM... I've changed no files since I installed it, got past the "illegal operation" popup by spam clicking the X button on it instead of close, but the 2MB off of one gig is really bugging me lmao. I've modified my native Win98 to my own "Windows 98 CE: Custom Edition" as opposed to the "CE Compact Embedded" and honestly, now I've got Intel Arc GPU drivers working, Steam functioning, all 16GB of RAM and the .Net framework working on it for PaintDotNet, I'm going to daily drive my custom Windows 98 out of spite for Microsoft's Windows 11 shenanigans.
@@koigoi Same way people make custom Linux distros, I'm just doing the same to a formerly obsolete version of Windows. (Incoming wall of text alert) There are still some issues with it, the RAM works fine, but the CPU is running at 2GHz as opposed to the stock 3.9GHz since the faster clock speeds often messed with system processes; I'm currently configuring the system to work with faster speeds. The same goes for the SSD, I've had to limit the speed of my SSD to SATA 3 since SATA 4 often goes too fast and crashes things. As for the 64 Bit part, I've tweaked, rebuilt and recompiled the OS for 64 Bit support. First via a compatibility layer with varied results, currently native. It's why I call it "98 Custom Edition" as opposed to just 98 since it's fundamentally the same thing, but completely different in what it can do. There are some cons I still need to work on though, it is still capped at 60Hz regardless of the resolution. Though it now supports true 64 Bit colour as opposed to the stock 16 Bit colour limitation, so it's a fine trade off for now. Another con is that UEFI is functional but has stability issue over CSM/Legacy BIOS. This will be the main issue I need to fix since CSM is obsolete. And finally, storage, SSDs are still too fast without further tweaks, however it only recognises 4TB maximum which may be a problem for modern gaming or productivity. It's a lot of hassle, but 98 is my favourite OS of all time, so I'm rather enjoying it so far. It still plays my old PC CD games, and runs most newer games without issue, so hopefully I can make this a viable option in the near future.
When I was adult in my 21S I never experience 90S 80S I just don’t understand this times but is it so crazy how far technology went over years with they called AOL modem internet is kind cool how far technology could go
I've downloaded Win98SE images from a few places and when I can't get them to boot (even the supposedly bootable OEM versions). If I boot from a Windows 98SE boot floppy, I can't access the USB flash drive with the full OS on it. I'm stuck.
since always (ive been a lifetime obsessed with Win98 retro and modern building/testing) Win98 just cant and will never ever see more than a single core, no matter what fix or patch (not any exists afaik) you can use. From simple dual core to a 20/1 milions cores, win98 will always detect and use only one but the good and insane thing is that it works anyway without any work around.
I am getting a protection error with CONFIGMG I think it might be a video driver issue, is there any place to get a good all purpose svga driver (I am using an msi motherboard with onboard graphics, from around the year 2007
@@RamtechENG Windows 11 24H2 raised the actual minimum requirements, I think windows 11 23H2 only needs SSE2 but Windows 11 24H2 needs SSE4.2 I think K10 doesn't have SSE4.2 but Buldozer does. I will subscribe and wait for the video.
Kind of. Drivers will be a major pain depending on what hardware is in the machine. Modern GPU's don't have Win 7 support. If your PC doesn't have CSM support in the motherboard, you'll need to create an installer disk that can properly boot in UEFI mode. Steam no longer supports Win 7, any games using DX12 won't run etc etc. It's asking for a lot of pain
I had the slowness problem trying to install 98 on a more modern system, as far as I know, Windows 98 does not know what to do with the chipset and IDE drivers, and defaults to some very slow basic drivers it has. On my experience every time I did anything IO intensive on the storage device the mouse cursor would stutter or even freeze completely until the operation (file copy or installing stuff) was done. Very crappy experience without proper drivers.
one can dream that someone who knows how to code drivers and a lot of time to waste would show up. imagine having a 98 pc with 2024 hardware, and not onlt being able to boot it
This is because a different driver is loaded during the install process. When Win98 completed installing, a more compatible driver was located and loaded.
its a shame you couldnt get GPU drivers to install, multicore or multithread support didnt exsist until Windows NT/Windows 2000, not sure about other OS. it is interesting to see just how fast win98 can run on newer hardware. how comes this hasnt been done with AMD cpu's?
I have x10 14900K I can confirm after buying the price went up on Amazon by $23. This wouldn’t be the case if there were a definitive problem after doing what he said.
@@michealfunickrr3717 who the f buys 14900K when you can have a 5950x much cheaper and can OC it to the point its a 14700K and has much lower TDP. Loser intel fanboys.
But why? There is no benefit, all programs written for Win98 expect a maximum spec of a Pentium 4... I think it would be more interesting to have a virtualization platform in which the user can choose the hardware to be emulated, something like an 86box at the system level.
If the motherboard supports CSM still, you may be able to boot the install CD, but actually getting it installed will be challenging cause it may not even pick up a USB keyboard and mouse. Or storage drivers. Forget about the 4070, it will operate in VGA 640x480 mode. Not to mention, you'll be limited to 4GB RAM max as it's a 32 bit OS
the cpus supported in the motherboard dont have the instructions for win11 so you'll need to do some janky motherboard swapping if you want to go beyond windows 10 32 bit or windows 8 64 bit
@@randomgamingin144parent those instructions only for the newer builds of windows 11? it might still work with the original release version of windows 11
What is your favorite operating system?
Windows 7
@@RamtechENG Windows Vista,7and XP
Windows XP
Windows 98!
Windows is for geeks, linux foe life❤
*Modern problems requires modern solutions*
yes real
So this is Intel's official guide t safely use a 14900K?
LMAO!!
In fact Windows 98 SE (the version you use) cannot have more than 1 core or 1 thread if you don't modifiy the system files
What do you need to modify then?
@@cattech4050 I don't really know but I know a friend of mine as used Windows 98 with 2 cores
@@cattech4050 I guess you need a different version of KRNL386.EXE. It is certainly an interesting topic to make an SMP OS on top of DOS. Maybe Jim Hall can give you some answers.
@@cattech4050 i'm guessing Rudolph R. Loew's patch
awesome content as always!
Cool vid but can you make a vid of whats the oldest CPU that windows 10 ,8.1 and 8 can run?
I will guess, the Pentium 4
What's The Oldest CPU That Can Run Windows 11?
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It's one of the Pentium 4s other people have done that vid already
athlon 64 or pentium 4 prob
well thats a lie, the pentium 2 can technically boot windows 10 pe in a virtual machine but yea no
@@randomgamingin144p oh you watched the vid of Windows 10 running on a pentium 2 but its so painfully slow
Windows 98 will work just fine with USB 2.0 PCI or PCIe (these are rare) or PCIe-PCI bridge. I tried all combinations. What you need to do is to manually add PCI bus through the add new hardware manager. I think Omores has a video on it and also some articles.
Very good video as always 😎💪💪💪
very nice video!
You need to add the PCI Bus as a device from the "Add Hardware" wizard. Once you have the PCI bus working, Windows will detect all of the remaining devices on the motherboard including the GPU in the PCIE x16 slot. Since you're using a USB stick as the boot device, don't allow it to install drivers for USB (switch to a SATA drive if you want to use USB) by clicking the "Cancel" button. Once you have all of the on-board devices installed, re-run the driver install for your GPU.
About the VDD error, for my MSI GTX 1060 I found different VBIOS versions on the msi forum, some VBIOS version fixed the VDD error and it allowed me to boot in win98 but starting dos games or opening command prompt would freeze the system with the monitor turning off.
Last week I think I added audio and internet(using usb ethernet adapter) to win98 on z690, I saw your video and I thought to make a video about it too, and I did, I uploaded it today.
so a good video
Congratulations 🎊 Very exciting, just like last time. But Windows 98 is right. The core architecture is based on the Pentium 3. Therefore, it is recognized as a Pentium 3.
@RamtechENG let's run ReactOS on Z790!
Good video
Great video
LOVE THESE VIDEOS❤️
now send this to a tech shop and tell them that it isnt working properly.
And say “My windows 98 build isn’t working properly” :D
Who knew?!? Windows 98 is the solution to the Intel cpu problem!
I think you need to make sure those PS2 adapters installed to the PCI during the windows install so if there are any drivers they will be installed, there is no auto drivers installed on 98 just by plugging in the adapter
I’ve tried this, but it didn’t work even during setup
Install unofficial 82.69 drivers for that 6800 GS (preferably via the INF file since the automated installer doesn't work well)
Instead of USB stick, install on a SATA HDD/SSD and install the AHCI driver from R. Loew to get full speed and no stutters.
the way to load the gpu driver is to go to device manager and manually replace the driver from the .inf file in the driver folder
I’ve tried to install it manually, but it didn’t work either
@@RamtechENG Using this method 🤔
Yes, W9x is only 1 core. XP is up to two cores, same for Vista. Windows7 is technically limited to 32 fopr the 32 bit version and 256 for the 64 bit version but even with modern CPUs that is effectively unlimited.
One issue I've got, at least in Virtual Box, is mine recognises 1022MB RAM and my Ryzen 3 4100 no problem.
The issue for me is that I can't for the life of me understand why it's 2MB short of 1GB RAM... I've changed no files since I installed it, got past the "illegal operation" popup by spam clicking the X button on it instead of close, but the 2MB off of one gig is really bugging me lmao.
I've modified my native Win98 to my own "Windows 98 CE: Custom Edition" as opposed to the "CE Compact Embedded" and honestly, now I've got Intel Arc GPU drivers working, Steam functioning, all 16GB of RAM and the .Net framework working on it for PaintDotNet, I'm going to daily drive my custom Windows 98 out of spite for Microsoft's Windows 11 shenanigans.
how in the hell did you get 16GB of ram working? Afaik, theres no x64 version of Windows 98. Also steam??? how???
@@koigoi Same way people make custom Linux distros, I'm just doing the same to a formerly obsolete version of Windows.
(Incoming wall of text alert)
There are still some issues with it, the RAM works fine, but the CPU is running at 2GHz as opposed to the stock 3.9GHz since the faster clock speeds often messed with system processes; I'm currently configuring the system to work with faster speeds.
The same goes for the SSD, I've had to limit the speed of my SSD to SATA 3 since SATA 4 often goes too fast and crashes things.
As for the 64 Bit part, I've tweaked, rebuilt and recompiled the OS for 64 Bit support. First via a compatibility layer with varied results, currently native. It's why I call it "98 Custom Edition" as opposed to just 98 since it's fundamentally the same thing, but completely different in what it can do.
There are some cons I still need to work on though, it is still capped at 60Hz regardless of the resolution. Though it now supports true 64 Bit colour as opposed to the stock 16 Bit colour limitation, so it's a fine trade off for now.
Another con is that UEFI is functional but has stability issue over CSM/Legacy BIOS. This will be the main issue I need to fix since CSM is obsolete.
And finally, storage, SSDs are still too fast without further tweaks, however it only recognises 4TB maximum which may be a problem for modern gaming or productivity.
It's a lot of hassle, but 98 is my favourite OS of all time, so I'm rather enjoying it so far. It still plays my old PC CD games, and runs most newer games without issue, so hopefully I can make this a viable option in the near future.
Can you make a video about it? I'm really curious how you do this?
When I was adult in my 21S I never experience 90S 80S I just don’t understand this times but is it so crazy how far technology went over years with they called AOL modem internet is kind cool how far technology could go
I've downloaded Win98SE images from a few places and when I can't get them to boot (even the supposedly bootable OEM versions). If I boot from a Windows 98SE boot floppy, I can't access the USB flash drive with the full OS on it. I'm stuck.
I don't know if this will solve the graphics card problem but when you run setup you need to add the switch (setup /p i) to install pci drivers
since always (ive been a lifetime obsessed with Win98 retro and modern building/testing) Win98 just cant and will never ever see more than a single core, no matter what fix or patch (not any exists afaik) you can use. From simple dual core to a 20/1 milions cores, win98 will always detect and use only one but the good and insane thing is that it works anyway without any work around.
Maybe the weird freezing is a symptom of a defective Intel chip. Try a Ryzen next
I am getting a protection error with CONFIGMG I think it might be a video driver issue, is there any place to get a good all purpose svga driver (I am using an msi motherboard with onboard graphics, from around the year 2007
If SSD and DDR5 existed in 1998 life would have been much better 😂😂😂
By the way you can install windows 98 on SSD. And it works very fast. Soon will be the video about it
SSD exist in 90s
Win98 only supports one core. Also, you can find an update package to get your USB working.
Could you try installing Windows 11 24H2 on a AMD K10 cpu?
The video about the oldest AMD CPU which support Windows 11 will be ready soon
@@RamtechENG Windows 11 24H2 raised the actual minimum requirements, I think windows 11 23H2 only needs SSE2 but Windows 11 24H2 needs SSE4.2 I think K10 doesn't have SSE4.2 but Buldozer does.
I will subscribe and wait for the video.
can any modern gaming pc run windows 7 still? the 64-bit version
Kind of. Drivers will be a major pain depending on what hardware is in the machine. Modern GPU's don't have Win 7 support. If your PC doesn't have CSM support in the motherboard, you'll need to create an installer disk that can properly boot in UEFI mode. Steam no longer supports Win 7, any games using DX12 won't run etc etc. It's asking for a lot of pain
the video is already on the channel
I had the slowness problem trying to install 98 on a more modern system, as far as I know, Windows 98 does not know what to do with the chipset and IDE drivers, and defaults to some very slow basic drivers it has. On my experience every time I did anything IO intensive on the storage device the mouse cursor would stutter or even freeze completely until the operation (file copy or installing stuff) was done. Very crappy experience without proper drivers.
You can try to use setup parameter /il to use Logitech driver:
Setup /il
Windows NT 4
/ 2000 would support more ram and more cpu threads
I SAY ONE THINK YOUR RTX 4070 NOT SUPPORTED WINDOWS 98 I TEST WINDOWS 2000 GTX 430 IS PROBLEM INSTAll driver 2000 sp4
one can dream that someone who knows how to code drivers and a lot of time to waste would show up.
imagine having a 98 pc with 2024 hardware, and not onlt being able to boot it
Bro bought a 3k+ pc just to install windows 98
I find it funny how the graphical artifacts seem to have disappeared! And no graphics drivers were installed too...
This is because a different driver is loaded during the install process. When Win98 completed installing, a more compatible driver was located and loaded.
wouldnt it help to install freedos first ? asits conpatible whit modern oses.
USB won’t work in Windows 98 anyway
@@RamtechENG there are usb capable win98 versions no? i have a time acurate laptop whit 98 that works well whit usb
I mean even if it does you'd have to write your own driver's for everything not worth the time tbh
Some BIOS have a setting for legacy usb support
Install windows 1.0 and 2.0 again on modern pc
So does win98 run on E core or P core?
Looks like on E core
its a shame you couldnt get GPU drivers to install, multicore or multithread support didnt exsist until Windows NT/Windows 2000, not sure about other OS. it is interesting to see just how fast win98 can run on newer hardware. how comes this hasnt been done with AMD cpu's?
AMD does not have much backwards compat
I forgot, but there is special patch which allows to detect more then 1 core, so it’s possible
@AyushTH just shows how old fashioned intel cpu's are what with being stuck on 14nm for years, only just beginning to go over to 10nm and below.
At least that gives me anxiety.
Still waiting for someone to build a proper idiot friendly hypervisor. OpenXT was promising, but appears dead.
BUT WAIT!!! Why an intel 14900K. These 13th or 14th generation CPUs are failing worldwide
Unless you undervolt, which is what everybody should do on any CPU. Less power draw, same performance
It degrades only if you will set wrong bios settings
I have x10 14900K I can confirm after buying the price went up on Amazon by $23. This wouldn’t be the case if there were a definitive problem after doing what he said.
@@michealfunickrr3717 who the f buys 14900K when you can have a 5950x much cheaper and can OC it to the point its a 14700K and has much lower TDP.
Loser intel fanboys.
But why? There is no benefit, all programs written for Win98 expect a maximum spec of a Pentium 4... I think it would be more interesting to have a virtualization platform in which the user can choose the hardware to be emulated, something like an 86box at the system level.
For the memes
Try windows xp if the keyboard and the mouse working
It will be uploaded tonight
@@RamtechENGthanks
Run Next Steap on a Modern Mobo
Did you find out if Windows 98 has degraded your i9-14900K?
Can Windows 2000 Run on a Modern Gaming PC 2024? 14900K+RTX 4070 and mount widescreen support
If the motherboard supports CSM still, you may be able to boot the install CD, but actually getting it installed will be challenging cause it may not even pick up a USB keyboard and mouse. Or storage drivers. Forget about the 4070, it will operate in VGA 640x480 mode. Not to mention, you'll be limited to 4GB RAM max as it's a 32 bit OS
Install Windows XP on AMD A4 and 4GB RAM
Try ReactOS
I want to try on my ryzen 7 7800x3d lol
React os install
you should try installing windows 11 on the iconic BEEFY COMPUTER from CS2! btw it's a Dell Dimension 8300
the cpus supported in the motherboard dont have the instructions for win11 so you'll need to do some janky motherboard swapping if you want to go beyond windows 10 32 bit or windows 8 64 bit
@@randomgamingin144parent those instructions only for the newer builds of windows 11? it might still work with the original release version of windows 11
Worst cpu bottleneck ever
“OS Bottleneck”
@@RamtechENG lol
You can use an rtx...
windows 98 use directx 9c
win xp with working* gpu drivers (newer that gtx 10 series)? 🤔
ms dos can
Bro I speak Russian well in English :)
windows 7
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Somehow i believe that windows 98/xp are alpha versions of windows 10 and 11.