'Walang himala'? In Lipa, devotion trumps a Vatican decree
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ย. 2024
- In this Holy Week vlog, Rappler's Paterno Esmaquel II gets the pulse of Batangueños about the Vatican decree rejecting the alleged apparition of Mary in Lipa City, Batangas, in 1948.
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In God's time,,, truth will prevail..
Our Mother Mary of Mediatrix of all graces intercede in all my prayer petitions. You will remain Queen of our homes and intercessor in our prayer requests. Grant them in the mighty name of our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen
Maraming salamat po Brod sa sharing ng iyong video interview & info. Praise be JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY! Blessed be VIRGIN MARY Mediatrix of All Graces!!!🥰😇🙏
Naniniwala po ako sa apparition, ang damit ng suot ng Our Lady of Mediatrix at yung suot ng babaeng gumising sa akin nung akoy grade 3 ay pareho, all white po at white din ang veil pati yung plits sa damit sa dibdib ay same
Di man kilalanin sa ngayon but in time, in God’s perfect time kikilalanin at kikilalanin din sya. Marami ng naiulat na Milagro sa mundo pero lahat laho pero ang Milagrong nang yari sa Batangas ay nag patuloy hangang sa kasalukuyan dahil ang milagrong ito ay totoong Galing sa Langit hindi gawa gawa lang. Our Lady of Mediatrix of all Graces pray for us 🙏
Di yan totoo. Walang himala!! Ang himala ay di totoo. Ang himala ay nasa puso nating lahat. 😂
@@다크씨-x6r Sabi mo walang himala ba't pala may himala sa puso mo? Yung mabuhay ka dito sa mundo ay napakalaking himala na nga. Ilang libong similya ba kayong galing sa ama mo na nagsipagunahan makapasok sa sinapupunan ng iyong ina? Lahat ba iyon nabuhay? Yan ay himala at hiwaga galing sa Diyos.
@@다크씨-x6r ano ba talaga ang religion mo? Palibasa kace hinde ka pa nacacaranas ng milagro mula kay God. I say, u r one lost soul na hinde alam ang sinasabe; kung tutuusin talaga MEROONG talaga milagro. With my personal experience lahat ng mga idinasal, ibinulong ko Kay Jesus Nazareno at sa ibang Santo gaya na lang nina St. Anthony, St. John Bosco, Our Lady of Manaoag, Our Lady of Mediatrix of all grace, awa naman ng Dyos eto BUHAY na BUHAY pa ang papa ko at sa apat na kaso na hinahawakan nya ay bumunga at dininig naman na maganda ang mga dalangin ko dahil sa pagmamanata ko. He's a living proof that there really is a MIRACLE. kundi pa talaga dahil sa AKING mga dasal ko, aba'y di sana nacaabot ng nobenta anyos ang papa ko at kundi pa talaga dahil sa mga ibinulong at idinasal ko sa lahat ng mga santo edi dapat di natapos at nagcabunga ang mga panalangin ko. Kung talagang totoong Kristyano ka, I wanna know papano ka ba magdasal? IKAW ba consistent sa pagdadasal mo? Sa isang Tao na katulad mo nagsasabing 'Walang Himala' at 'Hinde totoo' i really really do think u need to go on a DEEP soul-searching your soul; at talagang punong-puno ka ng mga duda jan sa iyong puso.
If it is from God, it will endure the test of time, it will stay. If it is from human, it will be long forgotten
Not necessarily, for even heresies and false doctrines have endured and shall only cease with Christ's return.
Thank you, Mr. Esmaquel, for this report. For a follow-up report, interview Archbishop Ramon Arguelles about this miracle.
Dan po sa Banay Banay ng San Jose. Slmt po
O Mary Mediatrix of all grace, pray for us!
Jesus Christ, forgive them for they do not know what they are saying. Amen.
@@yikes2180 wag makialam mind your own business
Rome has spoken. Even the virgin, regardless if it is true or not, wants us to be obedient to Rome. If it's really from God it can defend itself and overcome the test of time.
That is why the devotion still persists hanggang sa kasalukuyang panahon at dumami pa lalo ang mga deboto...idagdag pa ang magagandang ibinunga sa kanila...mga pagpapagaling, conversion, at iba pa
@@gerryaquino548 you dont get it. Obedience is more valuable and holier than any miracles and apparitions. but if you are happy and growing with that, so be it. Just make sure that this devotion stay private untill approved by the Church. Obedience.
@@gerryaquino548 Recall the Divine Mercy devotion: it was banned due to a faulty translation of Saint Faustina's Polish diary, and lifted only in 1978 after a better translation helped secure its approval. All seers of apparitions were obedient to their bishops and Rome, keeping silent until they were allowed to speak. Hindi sila nagmatigas.
@@israelm87 Yes. Visionaries went to Heaven because of their humility and obedience, not because they simply saw Our Lady or Jesus Himself. We are all sinners, to be judged when we die and at the Final Judgement.
alam ninyo...that is a private revelation...maniwala ka man o hindi ay hindi ka naman nagkakasala...at wala rin namang kumukontra sa mensahe ng aparisyon sa kung ano ang nakasaad sa Bibliya...in my case that is my private devotion...my reaction is based from what you said na it can withstand the test of time kaya nga until now may mga deboto at dumarami pa ang deboto...ang nakikita ko lang suliranin diyan ay nag-umpisa sa mga hindi magagandang information na ipinapakalat ng mga anti-Mediatrix...again ang tingin ko sa imahen na iyan ay si Mama Mary period...kahit anong image pa iyan basta si Mama Mary iyan
Confidence to the Mother remains and will never change .
Blessed Virgen Mary ,please pray for me and my family .amen.
Ikaw mismo ang magdasal para sa sarili mo. Hindi yung e asa mo pa sa iba.
@@jojoluao4012 wag mo din sabihan pastor mo na ipagdasal ka. wag mo din iasa sa kanya.
@@jreyanemij ay, talagang hindi. Bakit ko naman e asa sa ibang tao ang pagdadasal ko. Ano yan? May representative lang
@@jojoluao4012 then you are not following the bible:
1 Timothy 2:1-2 - First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.
Private interpretation pa more.
Mary Mediatrix of all Graces pray for us. Enlighten us and lead us to your Son our Lord Jesus Christ Amen.
Our mother Mary of the Lord is real praise the Lord
yes to Mediatrix, NO to Pachamama
Tama ka dyan. Gusto pa in Bergolio Ang pachamama kaysa sa title Mary Mediatrix of all Grace.
@@JMJ88-vw7sh"Bergoglio" so that means you do not recognise him as the Pope in spite of his human failings, in addition to supporting what the Church has already banned?
@@AI-hx3fxwe will not support Pope Francis heretic teachings. We follow Pope when it comes to faith and morals that made him infallible but once he teaches error no Catholic needs to follow him. For we follow God not man Acts 5:29. You must be able to determine false obedience and true obedience..bTW Pope Francis is a Mason.
Yes
Ayan na nmn ang Pachamama card. Research more please before Judging what really happened in the Vatican Gardens. That was not Pachamama. It was an image of Our Lady of Amazons. Please research
Naniniwala ako na nagpakita ang mahal na birhen.
tanging Diyos lamang ang dapat sambahin because He is our Creator and Saviour 🙏
basta ako, i believe in God the eternal Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. Yan ang sure na sure and unshaken. My faith is with them. :)
Yes MaMa Mary is Alive…❤️❤️❤️
She is alive forever in Heaven with her Son and Our Lord, from the moment of her Assumption in body and soul.
Hindi tayo kailanman tinuturuan ng pamimintuho sa Mahal na Ina na sumuway sa kapangyarihan ng Santo Papa at ng tanang kaparian. Sumunod tayo sa kanilang pagpapasya.
Maraming mga pari at madre ang naniniwala sa aparisyon ng mahal na Ina sa Lipa bilang "Mediatrix of All Grace"...aside from that this is also a private revelation at hindi ka naman talaga nagkakasala maniwala ka man o hindi...
@@gerryaquino548 Wala talagang sala ang hindi maniwala sa private revelation, na hindi doktrina o dogma.
Kasalanan ang pagsuway sa pagsisilaganap ng ipinagbawal at pinabulaanan na ng Santa Iglesia.
Malinaw ang sabi ng Vatican sa orihinal na mensahe na bukod sa no supernatural origin pwede naman magdasal sa imahen nito as long as hindi mo ina-aasociate ang aparisyon...kapag ba nagdarasal ka sa harap ng imahen ng Mediatrix at ang tingin mo sa kanya ay si Mama Mary at nagrorosaryo ka, wala naman talagang mali doon...ang debosyon ko sa Mediatrix image ay tulad din ng anumang pagdarasal ko sa kahit anong image ni Mama Mary...
@@gerryaquino548 Ang problema ho, ina-associate ng mga deboto ang pagdedebosyon sa titulo ng Mediatrix sa sinasabing "aparisyon" sa Lipa. Malinaw po ang sinabi ng Roma. Hanggang walang mas mabisang pagapaaptunah diyan, sumunod na lang po tayo sa Santo Papa
@@r41n31 well if you think nagkakasala sila doon sa sinasabi mo, it is between them and God...bahala na ang Diyos sa kanila
Imahe pa rin iyan ni Mama Mary we cannot question her goodness grace and miracle. Iyong appartion ang ang naging questionable. Malay natin magpapakita uli amg mahal na birhen sa lugar na iyan at masaksihan nang maraming tao eh di ma declare na totoong may apparition. But we continue to ask her intercession as loving Mother.
Tama. The Virgin remains; whether she appeared is the question.
EVEN WITHOUT DECREE BY THE VATICAN IF YOU HAVE STRONG FAITH IN HER, AS A BELOVED MOTHER SON OF THE MOST HIGH YOU WILL RECEIVE MIRACLES. IN THIS WORDS OF ARCHANGEL GABRIEL" HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH THEE. . . ." THAT IS A POWERFUL WORDS BY ARCHANGEL GABRIEL ONE OF THE POWERFUL WHO BRINGING OUR PRAYERS IN FRONT OF THE MOST HIGH.
SHE IS OUR MATER AMATA , INTEMERATA , IN TE SPERAMUS, AD TE CLAMAMUS, ORA PRONOBIS DEUM. SHALOM!
Amen..and Mama Mary loves us our devotions not end only on miracles, strong faith nd trust to our Lord Jesus Christ will delighten us. Thank you Mama Mary...Ora Pro nobis.🙏🏻😇🤍💐💐💐💞💞💞💞💞💞
Sister Teresing 🙏
I believe 🙏✝️
Amen po
The Church does not discourage a local Marian devotion even while declaring there is no authentication to the claimed miracles. There is no issue about that. The real issue is discontent on the part of some Lipa locals (in this video) about the Church's ruling. They have to respect and understand the Church's due caution in declaring something as supernatural. The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, and as such we ought be docile to her as sons and daughters.
Sige lang, dahil totoo naman ito. Darating din po ang panahon.
As a Catholic, let's be patient and don't argue. This is just a challenge to make us stronger.
What's a challenge? The Vatican following its own rules regarding apparitions of Mary?
Sana walang nkatali na sasabunging manok malapit sa kapilya.. para hindi madamay ang mga deboto ng mahal na Birhen na hindi nagsasab0ng..
1 Timothy 3:15
"...the Church is the Ground and the Pillar of truth."
Kaya kung ayaw mong makinig sa sinasabi ng Simbahan, delekado ka, baka sa kaaway ka nakikinig.
This is not a question about a decree of the Church look what happened to the Devotion of the Devine Mercy? some of church leaders prohibited the message and devotion but in the end God’s plan always reveal in its perfect time.
Even the Sto. Niño was never recognized by the Church for a long time but the Fiilipinos believed in the child Jesus is represented by the Sto. Niño. And miracles were experienced and prayers were answered. The Church did not give attention to these. But the Filipinos continued to pray to Hom. It was just recently that Vatican recognized the Sto. Niño.
Correct, yet many obediently did not propagate the devotion until the ban was lifted in 1978. Only in the 1980s did it come to the Philippines and become embedded in the Church. The question is not the negative decision can be overturned, as that is always possible; the issue is the disobedience of people still insisting on it and ignoring the possible spiritual harm belief in unapproved visions causes.
“ Obedience is better than sacrifice “
Obedience showers more grace than allowing pride live in us. There is a reason why it is stopped. Know what really happened in the past and you will all understand why this is reinvestigated.
Amen
Mary Mediatrix of all Grace Pray for us🙏
"Sumamba" ung ginamit ni maam na word. Mali po ata un. Kasi only the triune God deserves our worship. He alone should be worshipped.
Ako Nga pinakitaan Ng babaeng nka damit matingkad na Blue like rayna crying before gisaugon tragedy Landslide ni lamat lng ako umiiyak na babae nakikita ko but she's beautiful mamo. Mukha I m a devoted of birhen Ng snto Rosario
Para sa akin ako ay naniniwala
Kahit nga ang Medjugorje apparition ay wala ding suporta ang Simbahang Katolika sa ilalim ni Pope Francis pero nuong nabubuhay pa si Saint Padre Pio ay tinanong na tungkol sa Medjugorje apparition ay sinabi nyang totoong nagpapakita ang Mahal na Birhen sa pitong kabataang Visionaries!
But this one I believe that WALANG HIMALA talaga.
@@mbioneda Meron ibang mga apparations rin na kagaya nito na may lumalabas na oil. Maaaring isa itong Myrrh, kung babalikan natin yung pagkasilang ni Jesus, maalala natin na isa sa mga regalo ng tatlong hari ay Myrrh, isang embalming oil. The three gifts: gold, as to a king; myrrh, as to one who was mortal; and incense, as to a God.
One theory (I am neither for nor against Medjugorje) is that only the early apparitions and messages were authentic. The rest until today are not.
Walang wrong way. ang wrong way ay yung sambahin mo mismo yugn specific na rebulto. pero kung naging deboto o lumalim ang debosyon mo sa Mahal na Birhen, nasa right way ka.
hindi po sumamba kay Maria... big correction. Nag dasal po para sa intercession ni Inang Maria
Mediatrix will always be true, Mary appeared at Lipa, Devotion will never be stopped. AVE MARIA MEDIADORA
Walang himala! Ang himala ay nasa puso ng tao! Nasa puso nating lahat! Tayo ang gumagawa ng himala!😂
@@다크씨-x6r Sabi mo walang himala ba't pala may himala sa puso mo? Yung mabuhay ka dito sa mundo ay napakalaking himala na nga. Ilang libong similya ba kayong galing sa ama mo na nagsipagunahan makapasok sa sinapupunan ng iyong ina? Lahat ba iyon nabuhay? Yan ay himala at hiwaga galing sa Diyos.
Totoo po yung apparition. No need e pa approve yan just keep it to ourselves para sa atin kase yan..
Bakit kasi ngayon lang inilimbag yang circular na iyan?
Ano po address nito chapel ng Mary
The phenomenon of statues weeping tears of blood, oil, or scented liquids has been reported across various religions. However, given the relative ease with which such weeping statues can be fabricated through trickery or manipulation, one must question the likelihood of any divine being choosing to manifest miracles in such an easily fabricated way.
maging ang Medjugrorje dito sa europe ay hindi pa rin inaaproban ng vatican ,,kaya basta wag tayong magalit sa anunsyong ito ng vatican pero patuloy naman tayong mamintuho sa Mahal na Inang Maria
Correction po, hindi po kami galit sa desisyon ng Rome, naniniwala po kami diyan, sila po ang nagagalit sa amin dahil patuloy ang 'panalangin at debosyon' namin sa Our Lady, Mary Mediatrix of All Grace.
Palagay ko po dapat i-address nio iyan sa mga non-believers na Obispo at Pari at mga tao kasi po sila ang nanglalait at naninira sa mga believers. Maling asal po un. Pareho po tayong mga katoliko dapat love lang at huwag hate.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Immaculate Mother pray for us
Walang mawawala sa paniwala na may himala sa isang banda may himala o wala. Hindi naman yan pinagbabawal na ituloy ang inyong paniniwala alam ni mama mary yan.
Viva La Virgen! Viva Mary Mediatrix
Yes to mary mediatrix of all grace
I did not get the story of the priest so now i have to do more research on how the image got there. 1948 when apparition happened so that's 76 years ago
Private revelations or apparitions are not dogmatic-- meaning to say, hindi infallible ang Simbahan sa pagdedeclare kung totoo o hindi. Even the Vatican was wrong when they judged the Divine Mercy as a false apparition before 1970s. I was 5 years old when I first came to Lipa at nandun ako during the day in 1991 when the image of the Mediatrix was first exposed after the 1951 Ban. I witnessed a miracle at hanggang ngayon devotee ako at family namin ng Mediatrix of All Grace
Hindi ko na kailangan Ang approval ng Vatican. I AM A WITNESS! Hindi Lang nun 1948 Ang himala kundi magpa hanggang ngayon.
Walang himala! Ang himala ay nasa puso ng tao! Nasa puso nating lahat! Tayo ang gumagawa ng himala! 😂
Please, please, please!!!! English subtitles po!!!
San po ito banda
Meron pong himala sa Lipa ni mama Mary!
Focus on the Eucharist, Focus on Jesus. Wag na sa mga aparition na yan at mga rebulto
Mama Mary is real so even if not approve by the Vatican as long as you're paying respect to Mary it is fine imo. i do believe in Mary Mediatrix of All Grace though because when my father had a miraculous healing it is the statue of Mary Mediatrix where me and my sister would offer flowers. we always bring flowers to her. i would pick a flower on the side of the road just so i have something to give her. i also believe Sister Yerising but if the Vatican says there's none then maybe there's no such miraculous apparition. i assume they conduct extensive investigation before reaching such conclusion.
Bakit ano ba ang nandidiyan sa petals. Maliligtas ba kayo sa petals.
If this devotion leads to disobedience or rebellion against the Church and its Magisterium, the Church which Mary’s son - Jesus Christ - has built and whose promise of binding and loosening was given to the Peter and his successors (Mt. 16:18), then this devotion cannot be from Mary herself.
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our Lady of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
Minsan kasi yung mga leader hindi rin sila basta basta naniniwala kung di sila mismo nakakakita ng ebidensiya na galing sa isang actual na apparition ni Mama Mary. Tulad sa Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mexico. Inutusan ni Maria si Juan Diego na puntahan ang obispo at sabihin na magpatayo ng kapilya duon mismo kung sa site ng apparation. Makailang balik si Juan Diego para sabihin ito sa obispo ngunit itoy hindi naniniwala kaya inutusan ng obispo si Juan Diego na hingiin ang isang pagpapatunay mula kay Maria at dalhin ito sa kanya pagbalik. Bumalik si Juan Diego sa site ng apparition at duon inutusan siya ni Maria na magpunta sa isang parti ng bundok at duon kumuha ng mga bulaklak at ilagay sa tilma ni Juan Diego at dalhin sa harap ng obispo. Ito ay mga rosas na hindi native sa Mexico at sa panahon na iyon ay winter, walang mga tanim ang nabubuhay, bukod tangi ang mga rosas. Pagkabuklat ni Juan Diego ng kanyang tilma sa harap ng obispo, duon nabuo ang imahi ni Maria kaya naniwala na ang obispo at nagpatayo na ngayun ay napakalaking simbahan. Mula noon marami na ang na convert na mga Mexican mula sa kanilang old Aztec tradition na pag-aalay ng mga bata.
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This is what I can say, "So now I tell you, have nothing to do with these men, and let them go. For if this endeavour or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself. But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them; you may even find yourself fighting against God." - Acts 5:38-39
Any proof of your claim?
@@leoaguinaldo65
The quote is biblical. 👆
Lipa is s true Apparition , It was verified by the Seer Mary Ann Van Hoop in the Naceda Wisconsin. Our Lady told to Mary" If the Pilipino Bishops will no recognized my present i.m the Philippines Philippines is to suffer a lots
No one's gonna believe you with that grammar of yours
The late Mary Ann Van Hoof and her followers were placed under interdict by the Church for their disobedience, even after her alleged visions were investigated and already declared false. Their movement has since left the Catholic Church for the Old Catholic Church, a splinter group that rejects the First Vatican Council.
Manang d siya sinasamba.
Poorly worded pero kuha naman ang punto niya.
3 o 30 taon?
I stand with the Vatican..Pinagaaralan nila ito ng matagal. Also, what happened to the visionary. She was not like Bernadette who remained a nun until death, or other visionaries like Catherine Laboure. The so-called visionary left the convent. This is just my opinion.
Alam ko pinalabas sya
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
@@amajec644It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our Lady of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our Lady of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
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The enemies of the Church declared that they will destroy the Faith through "OBEDIENCE".
What are we always being told? "Obey the pope....obey the Magisterium."
The Magisteriums since 1958 have contradicted previous Magisteriums, Tradition, and the Bible.
If the Magisterium disobeys God, who will you obey? God or the Magisterium?
When Rome has spoken, it is ARROGANCE to insist otherwise.
Superstition is behavior that belongs in a cult, not the Church.
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our Lady of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
When did that become a divine law.
@@carmelovirgiliolim2984The Church exercises its magisterium (teaching authority) on matters of faith by the authority of Jesus Christ.
Please feel free to believe whatever you wish, but it would be incorrect to continue calling yourself Catholic if you rebel against Christ's Church.
The best people who are to be ask about this incident were the Exorcists.
I want to hear from their testimonies as well.
Basta ako naniniwala ako kay mama mary😔
Hindi kasi basta basta mag declare ang batican sa mga ganyang pangyayari. Aabutin talaga yan ng ilang taon bago yan ma desisyonan ng vatican.
At saka wla nman problema kung mag devote kayo kay Mama Mary hindi nman yan nakakasirq sa ating paniniwala.
I believe Sister Teresa !!!!! They believe Emma De Guzman because her apparition happened in New York why can’t they believe Sister Teresa!!! Sister Teresa needs justice now she had pass away !!!
Lipa = Lime
Nothing wrong against devotion but it shouldn't turn into fanatical idolatrous worship. Worship should only be reserved to the Triune God, no other else. Devotion to the Mediatrix of All Grace is still better than Pachamama
Pat = oil and rose pateros
Meron may himala may matanda pang nkakuh Ng petals na nka kulit mukha ni Mary
It is private revelation
Lahat naman ng mama mary aparition hindi gawa ng Diyos. Magbasa sana tau ng bible para mas matibay ang relasyon at komunikasyon natin sa Totoong Diyos na buhay.
Sa Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mexico. Inutusan ni Maria si Juan Diego na puntahan ang obispo at sabihin na magpatayo ng kapilya duon mismo sa site ng apparation. Makailang balik si Juan Diego para sabihin ito sa obispo ngunit itoy hindi naniniwala kaya inutusan ng obispo si Juan Diego na hingiin ang isang pagpapatunay mula kay Maria at dalhin ito sa kanya pagbalik. Bumalik si Juan Diego sa site ng apparition at duon inutusan siya ni Maria na magpunta sa isang parti ng bundok at duon kumuha ng mga bulaklak at ilagay sa tilma ni Juan Diego at dalhin sa harap ng obispo. Ito ay mga rosas na hindi native sa Mexico at sa panahon na iyon ay winter, walang mga tanim ang nabubuhay, bukod tangi ang mga rosas. Pagkabuklat ni Juan Diego ng kanyang tilma sa harap ng obispo, duon nabuo ang imahi ni Maria kaya naniwala na ang obispo at nagpatayo na ngayun ay napakalaking simbahan. Mula noon marami na ang na convert na mga Mexican mula sa kanilang old Aztec tradition na pag-aalay ng mga bata. Kaya may apparition si Mama Mary duon ay dahil sa tradition ng mga Aztec na pag-aalay ng mga bata.
anong verse po mababasa sa Bible yung Lahat naman ng mama mary aparition hindi gawa ng Diyos?
But the question now is that why Pope Francis allowed the image of a pagan pachamama inside the church while he prohibited this miracle of our lady?
He even try to abolish latin mass but allows blasphemy worship of an amazon deities?!
Let us pray for our Pope and the whole church.
Viva Hesus Viva Maria!
because the Pope is the one who will destroy the Catholic Church.
He was uncanonically elected.
even the devil can do miracles.
5:31 sya nagpatotoo na mabango at amoy bulaklak pero nagtanong p sya kung totoo... Haha
Akala ko sa pgeantry lng powerhouse ang Philippines pati pala sa Religion natin nkikipag compete tayo sa ibang nations?😢give chance to others nman😁❤mrami narin nman tayong santo na idineklara ng vatican eh..like San Lorenzo,Pedro Calunsod etc❤
Kung ano nasa puso ipagpatuloy mo.Ang Dios lang ang nakakaalam ng katotohanan,kahit ako di naniniwala ng ang ipadaan sa estatwang bato it will lead people astray to the true living GOD.Kung ang apparition is in true person of Mamma Mary like some other country maybe I believe.Dahil kahit dito may ganoon din paniniwala na hanggang ngayon usapasapan ang virgin na umiiyak ng dugo,aba naraming nag panata but the Vatican declare that is not true.Tulad ng sinabi di kapanipaniwala dahil ang tunay na milagro di pinapadaan sa istatwa,dahil mahulog sa diosdiosan ang pananampalataya ng tao.Stop claiming miracle through statue.
What's with the Catholics obsession with miracles?
...miracles always happens in the mass of the Catholic Church...
@ae-universeThat is certainly not true. Miracles do in fact happen regardless of whether you're Catholic or not. You can read the testimonies of countless people from different Christian denominations. Your answer almost borders on the sin of blasphemy against the holy spirit. Who are we to decide that God cannot work outside of the Catholic Church?
Nora Aunor should play the role...HIMALA...❤
Vatican does not have the monopoly over spirituality. Vatican may be the center of the Roman Catholic Church, the biggest and riches religion. Religion and spirituality are not the same.
.... Vatican has the authority on this issue and the parishioners need to obey...
The Catholic faithfuls must obey the Vatican and submit themselves to church’s interpretation on this..
Ones relationship to the Creator or to God extends beyond one's religion.
@ae-universeIt seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our Lady of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
@@angelosolano1360It seems many Filipino Catholics are not aware of the crisis in the Church. In the 1950s, an American former commie testified that she put 1,100 commies in the seminaries since the 1930s. As of the time of her testimony, 3 of them were already cardinals. Although this revelation was publicized, it was not investigated. What does that tell us? Were they already ruling the roost? Was that how Roncalli, the modernist, got elected as Pope? He initiated the Vatican II council which was also hijacked by Modernists. It was presided over by Pope Paul VI after Pope John XXIII (Roncalli) died. There were six Protestants involved in formulating the documents of Vatican II. Isn't anybody wondering why the Catholic Church would involve heretics in formulating its documents? As far back as the 19th century the Magisteriums have been warning about the heretical ideas that have been infiltrating the Church. Pope Leo XIII himself had a vision from God which prompted him to compose the Saint Michael prayer. He decreed that it should be said at every Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass that replaced the Traditional Latin Mass removed it. There are many other things that the Magisteriums from 1958 did that contradict previous Magisteriums. As the enemies of the Church boasted - they will destroy the Church through "obedience". What do they always tell us? "Just obey the Magisterium." Even if the current Magisterium contradicts previous Magisteriums, or the Bible, or Tradition, "Just obey!" Why do they suppress the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother? Because her messages warn us of apostasy of the shepherds of the flock.
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1948 - "Pray for China." - message of Our Lady of Lipa
1949 - Chinese Communist Party became ruler of China
Despite the fulfillment of what Our Blessed Mother warned us about, the Church still doesn't believe the apparition is from God? Would Sister Teresing or any of the other nuns have known that the Chinese Communist Party will be ruling China?
Na scam lang! 😢
Religion that came from the Spanish imperialists. Catholicism did not originate in the Philippines. It came from European white people that ruled the Philippines .
And whoever told you that it originated here? Christ himself founded the Church.
@vc2ryravioli950
Our Lord Jesus Christ commanded His Apostles to spread His teachings to all nations and baptize them into His Church. He gave them authority to do all these. It was with great sacrifice that they and their successors did these. Many became saints and martyrs. But there were some who disobeyed. One of His own Apostles, Judas Iscariot, betrayed Him. Is it not possible that others may do the same? We all have free will. Throughout history, many heretics happened to be priests and monks.
Spain was like a fountain of saints and martyrs with all the missionaries it sent throughout the world. When they convert other nations, they had to establish governments based on Catholic morals. Sadly, with the onslaught of religious liberalism sweeping Europe, Spain itself succumbed to secularism. Our so-called "heroes" brought the spirit of the French revolution home when they went to Europe for their studies.
Were we forced to become Catholic? When Magellan arrived in Limasawa, he was welcomed by the locals. He did not go looking for a fight or killing the natives. He did not go there to conquer. Their goal was to find a route to the spice islands. He and his men had to defend themselves when they were lured by Lapu-Lapu who invited them to his island. According to some descendants of the locals, Lapu-Lapu was a notorious pirate.
When the Spaniards returned decades later, they were cautious. As were the locals. But all trepidations vanished when they both welcomed each other.
History is written by the victors. It seems evidence of most of the good things that the Spaniards have done for us have disappeared. We are bombarded with the spectre of a fictional bad priest that is supposed to represent the whole Church and we are told Lapu-Lapu is a hero but it turns out he is just a pirate.
History revisionism, it seems, has been going on for, well, maybe, since history began.
@vc2ryravioli950
Our Lord Jesus Christ commanded His Apostles to spread His teachings to all nations and baptize them into His Church. He gave them authority to do all these. It was with great sacrifice that they and their successors did these. Many became saints and martyrs. But there were some who disobeyed. One of His own Apostles, Judas Iscariot, betrayed Him. Is it not possible that others may do the same? We all have free will. Throughout history, many heretics happened to be priests and monks.
Spain was like a fountain of saints and martyrs with all the missionaries it sent throughout the world. When they convert other nations, they had to establish governments based on Catholic morals. Sadly, with the onslaught of religious liberalism sweeping Europe, Spain itself succumbed to secularism. Our so-called "heroes" brought the spirit of the French revolution home when they went to Europe for their studies.
Were we forced to become Catholic? When Magellan arrived in Limasawa, he was welcomed by the locals. He did not go looking for a fight or killing the natives. He did not go there to conquer. Their goal was to find a route to the spice islands. He and his men had to defend themselves when they were lured by Lapu-Lapu who invited them to his island. According to some descendants of the locals, Lapu-Lapu was a notorious pirate.
When the Spaniards returned decades later, they were cautious. As were the locals. But all trepidations vanished when they both welcomed each other.
History is written by the victors. It seems evidence of most of the good things that the Spaniards have done for us have disappeared. We are bombarded with the spectre of a fictional priest that is supposed to represent the whole Church and we are given a hero who turns out to be a pirate.
History revisionism, it seems, has been going on for, well, maybe, since history began.