You can see how hyman Roth said how he admired “Arnold Rothstein” who fixed the 1919 World Series and was head of the Jewish mob. If that’s his hero, it tells what kind of person hyman Roth truly was and he should never be trusted.
@@philipampofo6435 because even among gangsters, there’s still a “code” and there has to be some level of trust to cooperate and do business. Especially in Vito’s time of the mob. Roth admired a cheater, and manipulator like Arnold Rothstein, which told Vito that Roth was a snake who’d betray you, the second he could. Vito did some business, but he wouldn’t trust him for important things.
@@Chutneybhai but gangsters are 'inherently' bad people. Not sure you can talk about bad or good when you are involved in such activities as a career. Of course Hollywood has presented us with a sanitisied version of the 'honourable' gangster, a anti-hero of some sorts. This is why I love OUATIA, it blew that concept away and dug deeper and showed them for what they were.
It would be interesting to see Hyman Roth also as a recurring character in the young Vito Corleone story. An ally of the father (never trusted, although) and an enemy of the son.
It was a fatal and huge mistake to cut this scene. It was the meeting point between the two plots of the film: the past (Vito) and the future (Micheal) through the figure of Roth. You could see what Roth tells Michael. A mistake considering Roth is seen when Vito and Clemenza leave the shop. Coppola should put it back.
these were pucca goondas but they still had a sense of honor... especially Vito Corleone... when clemenza wants to give the new guy a lousy name he intervenes and gets the guy's opinion... one of the best characters in english literature... Vito and to some extent Michael Corleone...
@@ash_1419 :-) absolute baddies... in colloquial hindi, pucca = pure (in normal usage this is good/positive, in slang the word is mostly to call out bad/negative) goonda = bad guy, rowdy element, vandal... All the deleted scenes with the young avatars of vito, clemenza, tessio, and the one with young carmela are very good... those people knew how to emote just as much as is needed before the camera... or may be the great mr Coppola knew how to get the best out of his people... today's movie businesses seem to lack something very significant... soul
I paid the unheard of sum (at the time) of $3.50 to see this movie (most movies were between 50 cents and 2 bux) when it got to Germany in 1973...saw it at the post theater in Ansbach - the only post in the area to show it...hadda travel 30 miles - at least - and the theater was a converted motorpool garage with folding card table seats...on a dead flat floor on a makeshift screen...had a woman in front with a large hat - spent the movie looking around it...one of the strange places I saw big movies...saw Jaws in a theater in Dothan, Alabama when I was t Ft Rucker in the summer of 1975...the show was SRO - I sat on an upturned ash can in the middle of an aisle at the back of the theater...great memories...
I like the theory that the role of frank pentageli was supposed to be for clemenza, but they changed plans due to problems with clemenzas actor. Then Michael would have killed tessio, hyman roth and Clemenza, so all of the early friends of his father and his own brother.
That's not a theory, that's a fact! But I'm happy that went down because I actually like Michael V. Gazzo's performance better than Richard Castellano's.
You don’t know the half of it: The original plot for Godfather 3 was supposed to involve a conflict between Michael and Tom Hagen. I really wish I could’ve seen THAT movie instead of the one we got
the only way I could understand Farankie five angel's character was to watch part 2 as if his character is Clemanza's ... it makes much more since when you watch it that way, yet still I'm torn on which it would've been better if they left the original Clemanza character and the actor cause Frank Pentangeli was great addition
@@DemonofLight80 godfather 3 with a split between Michael/Hagen with Anthony Corleone winning the final seat. He saw his grandfather die. He saw his uncle die. Button men were his best friends. Seeing the full circle of life from birth to don is something on the godfather could pull off. Wish we would’ve got something close
Yeah, it is weird. Because Lee Strassberg who played Roth was almost 30 YEARS OLDER than Marlon Brando, but in this flashback Roth is a teenager while Vito is a grown up man. Makes no sense.
The first person we see Vito with at the theatre is Genco. He knew who was who and his father and family must have stories about Sicily too. They name the olive oil business after him. Clemenza is the guy who introduces Vito to theft. Clemenza basically gets them in trouble for not paying Fanucci protection money. That’s 2 strikes for Fanucci against Vito and Clemenza wasn’t thinking about the opportunity that existed. Basically the same way Michael became Boss in Godfather 1 is the way Vito rises to power, he gave Fanucci an offer he couldn’t refuse.
@Nasir Chhut No he wasn't. In fact, he was unknown, doing bit roles, singing at clubs, and at most, starred in a low budget television film called "The Death Collector" from 1976. It's a good thing Robert De Niro happened to see it on television, otherwise, Pesci might still be working in an Italian restaurant in new Jersey.
This scene begins to show how the relationship and power play between the original three of the family evolved. Does the book depict this relationship going from essentially three equal partners to Vito becoming the Don and the other two pledging allegiance to him?
Hyman Roth does'nt appear in the book. But the book shows how the friendship between vito, tessio and clemenza evolves into the godlike admiration for don vito.
The power shift after Vito kills the local Black Hand leader. They speak of it a little in the book but the shift starts and they start treating him like their leader. Vito loves them but in the book he makes sure that Tessio and Clemenza don't socialize or stick too close together.
"...who's your favorite??? Columbus, Marconi???" At's'a funny ...Clemenza do ' know anyone but Italians and is upraised that anyone else would NOT know Italians...
I am glad this was deleted. It feels a little too Forrest Gumpish. Everyone doesn't have to know each other or have a connection at the beginning. What, is Moe Greene changing the tires? Love most of the deleted scenes, but this one was getting too cute.
He’s the first consigiltori (Tom Hagen is given that position years later) In the first Godfather there is a deleted scene where Vito and Michael visit this guy in the hospital before he passes away
Your father did business with Hyman Roth, your father respected Hyman Roth, but he never trusted Hyman Roth
You can see how hyman Roth said how he admired “Arnold Rothstein” who fixed the 1919 World Series and was head of the Jewish mob. If that’s his hero, it tells what kind of person hyman Roth truly was and he should never be trusted.
"Or his Sicilian messenger boy Johnny Ola."
@@Chutneybhai lol. They are ALL mobsters. Dont see why HR is any worse.
@@philipampofo6435 because even among gangsters, there’s still a “code” and there has to be some level of trust to cooperate and do business. Especially in Vito’s time of the mob.
Roth admired a cheater, and manipulator like Arnold Rothstein, which told Vito that Roth was a snake who’d betray you, the second he could. Vito did some business, but he wouldn’t trust him for important things.
@@Chutneybhai but gangsters are 'inherently' bad people. Not sure you can talk about bad or good when you are involved in such activities as a career. Of course Hollywood has presented us with a sanitisied version of the 'honourable' gangster, a anti-hero of some sorts. This is why I love OUATIA, it blew that concept away and dug deeper and showed them for what they were.
0:38 *_"Yea_* *_but_* *_uh_* *_we're_* *_gonna_* *_dump_* *_that!"_* *-young* *Clemenza* 🤣
It would be interesting to see Hyman Roth also as a recurring character in the young Vito Corleone story. An ally of the father (never trusted, although) and an enemy of the son.
It was a fatal and huge mistake to cut this scene. It was the meeting point between the two plots of the film: the past (Vito) and the future (Micheal) through the figure of Roth. You could see what Roth tells Michael. A mistake considering Roth is seen when Vito and Clemenza leave the shop. Coppola should put it back.
these were pucca goondas but they still had a sense of honor... especially Vito Corleone... when clemenza wants to give the new guy a lousy name he intervenes and gets the guy's opinion... one of the best characters in english literature... Vito and to some extent Michael Corleone...
What does "Pucca goondas" means?
@@ash_1419 :-) absolute baddies... in colloquial hindi, pucca = pure (in normal usage this is good/positive, in slang the word is mostly to call out bad/negative) goonda = bad guy, rowdy element, vandal...
All the deleted scenes with the young avatars of vito, clemenza, tessio, and the one with young carmela are very good... those people knew how to emote just as much as is needed before the camera... or may be the great mr Coppola knew how to get the best out of his people... today's movie businesses seem to lack something very significant... soul
@@jayap3557 thanks for explaining
This makes Hyman look like even a bigger piece of garbage for trying to kill Vito's son. He got off easy.
Vito looks like a sleazy businessman in this scene.
Well he kinda always was
Slicked back hair was the fashion in the 1920’s.
John Megna (Hyman Roth) was also Dill in To Kill a Mockingbird.
He was also a half brother to Connie Stevens.
Also guest starred in the original Star Trek TV series. Episode was titled "Miri." He was the kid that started shouting, "Bop bop... on the head!"
I paid the unheard of sum (at the time) of $3.50 to see this movie (most movies were between 50 cents and 2 bux) when it got to Germany in 1973...saw it at the post theater in Ansbach - the only post in the area to show it...hadda travel 30 miles - at least - and the theater was a converted motorpool garage with folding card table seats...on a dead flat floor on a makeshift screen...had a woman in front with a large hat - spent the movie looking around it...one of the strange places I saw big movies...saw Jaws in a theater in Dothan, Alabama when I was t Ft Rucker in the summer of 1975...the show was SRO - I sat on an upturned ash can in the middle of an aisle at the back of the theater...great memories...
I like the theory that the role of frank pentageli was supposed to be for clemenza, but they changed plans due to problems with clemenzas actor. Then Michael would have killed tessio, hyman roth and Clemenza, so all of the early friends of his father and his own brother.
"all of the early friends of his father and his own brother," Yes! And all of whom turned against the family.
That's not a theory, that's a fact! But I'm happy that went down because I actually like Michael V. Gazzo's performance better than Richard Castellano's.
You don’t know the half of it: The original plot for Godfather 3 was supposed to involve a conflict between Michael and Tom Hagen. I really wish I could’ve seen THAT movie instead of the one we got
the only way I could understand Farankie five angel's character was to watch part 2 as if his character is Clemanza's ... it makes much more since when you watch it that way, yet still I'm torn on which it would've been better if they left the original Clemanza character and the actor cause Frank Pentangeli was great addition
@@DemonofLight80 godfather 3 with a split between Michael/Hagen with Anthony Corleone winning the final seat. He saw his grandfather die. He saw his uncle die. Button men were his best friends. Seeing the full circle of life from birth to don is something on the godfather could pull off. Wish we would’ve got something close
I thought Hyman Roth was as old as or older than Don Vito?
i was thinking that too, but some time has passed after vito's death in movie 1 when roth was introduced
@@melondessert5011 7 years, kay says it's been 7 years when she just Michael 7 years ago said the family business would be legitimate in 5 years.
IIRC, he was 67 in Cuba
He is same age as Vito
Yeah, it is weird. Because Lee Strassberg who played Roth was almost 30 YEARS OLDER than Marlon Brando, but in this flashback Roth is a teenager while Vito is a grown up man. Makes no sense.
Genco abbandano the don's first consigliere
I think that guy was Clemenza, not Abandano
@@ignacioorona3458 yep, its genco who talk to vito when he is counting money & clemenza is the one who introduce hyman roth to vito
@@anggunpribadi7749 i thought it was Tessio , talking to him,.. and Genco was his man back Home, who drinks the olive oil with him
The first person we see Vito with at the theatre is Genco. He knew who was who and his father and family must have stories about Sicily too. They name the olive oil business after him. Clemenza is the guy who introduces Vito to theft. Clemenza basically gets them in trouble for not paying Fanucci protection money. That’s 2 strikes for Fanucci against Vito and Clemenza wasn’t thinking about the opportunity that existed. Basically the same way Michael became Boss in Godfather 1 is the way Vito rises to power, he gave Fanucci an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Genco: the office, it's cold....
Garibaldi was a badass general from Italy. Hundreds of years ago.
One of my personal heroes even though he was a freemason.
Is it Just Me...or Does Bruno Kirby sound Like Joe Pesci ????
@Nasir Chhut That would've been so cool
@Nasir Chhut No he wasn't. In fact, he was unknown, doing bit roles, singing at clubs, and at most, starred in a low budget television film called "The Death Collector" from 1976. It's a good thing Robert De Niro happened to see it on television, otherwise, Pesci might still be working in an Italian restaurant in new Jersey.
a lil bit. a lil bit
Loved Bruno Kirby. He was great in Good Morning Vietnam and Donnie Brasco. Two of my favorites.
@Nasir Chhut don't make up shit, chuttiya
0.56. clemenca doesnt give him one second to think over the question.
Best scene...
Beginning of a wonderful friendship
Why did they even think of deleting this scene?!?!
Time probably
@@jeremiahjoseph2413 you could make a short film with all of the deleted scenes the Godfather had.
This scene begins to show how the relationship and power play between the original three of the family evolved. Does the book depict this relationship going from essentially three equal partners to Vito becoming the Don and the other two pledging allegiance to him?
Hyman Roth does'nt appear in the book. But the book shows how the friendship between vito, tessio and clemenza evolves into the godlike admiration for don vito.
The power shift after Vito kills the local Black Hand leader. They speak of it a little in the book but the shift starts and they start treating him like their leader. Vito loves them but in the book he makes sure that Tessio and Clemenza don't socialize or stick too close together.
"...who's your favorite??? Columbus, Marconi???" At's'a funny ...Clemenza do
' know anyone but Italians and is upraised that anyone else would NOT know Italians...
we need a movie of young clemenza alone.
Ikr!
Isn't Roth too young? In the "present" in Havana he's old and dying. He seems much older than what Vito would be if he was still alive.
Epik
I did business with Hyman Roth. But I never trusted Hyman Roth
I want to watch the story of the enemy of corleon like tataglia or varzini version, its interesting beside the story of corleon family is end
Why did this get cut?!?
Rothstein huh, i like that
I am glad this was deleted. It feels a little too Forrest Gumpish. Everyone doesn't have to know each other or have a connection at the beginning. What, is Moe Greene changing the tires? Love most of the deleted scenes, but this one was getting too cute.
Totally agree. Reminds me of the stuff they pull in Star Wars. Like, really? Vito had to be the one to give Hyman his name?? Lame.
Instead it had to stay because it was a collage between the events of the present and those of the past (through Hyman Roth).
Ngl, the idea of Moe being covered in grease is kinda sexy.
Though, maybe that’s just cause I already think his actor (Rip Alex Rocco) is hot.
frankie carbone
Poor guy lost his scene in the movie
Garibaldi lol
I know who Columbus and Marconi are. Who the heck is Garibaldi?
@@adamcollazo8228 he was an Italian general who unified Italy in 1861
Why would Roth who isn’t even Italian be an admirer of Columbus or Garibaldi?
He wasn't but Clemenza was and may be he thought all great men were Italians.
@@MUSICLOVER23429 Roth himself was an immigrant so the odds of him being an admirer of Columbus are much lower
That’s the point of the scene. To illustrate Clemenza’s pro-Italian prejudice and underscore Roth’s Jewishness.
Interesting, though. He picked a name that Vito likely knew and respected.
Funny thing is history is starting to suggest that Columbus was a spanish Jew, and Christopher was not even his name.
That was for Arnold 'the brain' Rothstein? I thought in the movie they chose to use fictional names.
Sun tazoo
the chinese prince machabelli
Tzu, Tzu you fucking kiss ass
Take it easy
Is that Frankie Pentangeli in the beginning talking to the don?
Nah, that was Genco. He was the consigliere before Tom Hagen.
the young GencoAbbandando...
so vito turned a pole into a jew?
He was a Polish Jew.
Hymen Roth = Lansky
Is the guy beside vito tom hagen?
Tom Hagen is not yet born...
He’s the first consigiltori (Tom Hagen is given that position years later) In the first Godfather there is a deleted scene where Vito and Michael visit this guy in the hospital before he passes away
His name is Genko
@@paogate1384 wow thanks, good to know that
PAO GATE 13 It’s Genco not Genko. Learn to spell.