A good friend of mine explained to me one time. “It’s not a sport it’s a hobby. It’s not about winning or losing it’s about the process. Winning is just a cherry on top.”
I think a healthy way to think about it is that competition is the motivator but the fun should be everything else. People are naturally motivated by just about any competition. But we should use that instead of being used by it. And btw, about 95% of the hobby is stuff other than actually competing.
in my experience: narrative gaming and competitive gaming ar on eather end of the spectrum with lots of variations in between. The way to get the most out of the game and hobby is to align ones position on this spectrum as closely together as possible. that way balance will not be an issue, player goals will not be an issue, fairness will not be an issue. but the players can only do this through talking beforehand and being open about it. Like the piwer gamer in the first bit: it's absolutely fine to play line this. but you need an opponent that plays the same way. if a narrative player and a competitive player were to play each other, nobody will have fun as Exile explained perfectly.
@@knowbody223 I agree 99%. The problem is that last 1% can poison the entire well. I would never play a game like 40K competitively and I don’t think that is a good solution. And I have quit several franchises because of that one "power gamer" in our friend group gaming the exploits in the game available evdn to casual gamers. The solution is for GW to make better rules. And making better rules isn't a destination, it is an ongoing process. And not just "better" in the sense of constant, arbitrary, ridiculous change for the exploitable churn for the benefit of the meta chasers.
The very first time i went to a GW store to play a few games was 4th/5th edition. It was the first Grey Knight codex when it was deamonhunters. i had 3 games and came across three different types of players -First game was against a guy playing Dark Eldar. We set up and I get to go first and soon as iv finished moving a squad. He starts to roll his dice and starts to rattle stuff off lighting face and starts to removed some of my miniatures. He does this for the rest of my army and by the time i have finished moving I am down to probably 40% of my over all force. By the time he has completed his movement he has got me down to just my HQ and my dreadnought. We move onto the shooting phase and before iv even rolled to hit, he rattles something else off and my HQ is dead. When I go to fire my dreadnoughts weapons he does it again and I'm destroyed and he hasn't lost a single model. I had tried multiple time to ask him what it was he was doing and he ignored me. I am feeling like absolute crap and starting to think maybe this hobby Isn't for me. -Second game was against a Blood Angles player. Told him that this was my second game and he was like "Ah cool, well there is my codex if you need to check something just do it." the battle goes on for 4 turns and its a close victory for him and I've had an absolute blast as we have both really gotten into talking and acting out what's going on. -Third game is against an IG army. Now you can tell by looking at this guy and how he acts he knows the hobby. You crack this guys skull open and every single line from every codex is going to come pouring out. So we are having out game and the stops and says "Do you know about your Shroud ability?" He can tell by the look on my face I don't. So he picks up my codex flicks to the page and shows me and all he says is "Your opponent has to roll to see how far he can see. Basically your opponent has to use night fighting, you don't." Next turn he is like "Mate you worked your army out wrong. That's not 1500 points, your only around 1000." I am feeling like crap once more and i tell him I am sorry and because its not 1500 I've lost." He asks for my case and start to pull out my SM army and telling me to use them as Grey Knights. I asked him if he would like to restart the game and he was like "Nah its fine keep going." For the rest of the game he pointed out anything I has missed and anything i had made a mistake with, even if it was when i was doing something against him. He beats me and I've had an absolute blast. So we are clearing up and I'm talking about my first game and he just calls the manager over and explains what's been going on. After talking to the manager about the game i had with the DE player he tells me the lad was cheating and half the stuff I had told him about wasn't in the codex. Turns out he was known for making stuff up with new players. Store Manager asks if I am going to come back next week and I tell him i am not sure as I feel bad for how today played out and he just says "One game, just one game with me." We are now on 9th edition and I still go few times a month and soon as someone new comes in they match them up with me, because they know how much of a bad experience I had with the game first time and know I'm not going to let other feel the same way. I run two armies World Eaters and Custodians. When ever I have a game with a new player I always ask them which one they would like to face. Like Northern Exile said, the look on their face when they do something and they just say "What? are you sure?" is something else I had a game today with a 14yo lad and he was over the moon he was taking down my World Eaters with his Space Marines.
I pretty much lived at game stores as a teen in the 90's. Even worked at one for a time. It's odd looking back. War game hobbyists were some of the strangest people I've ever met. Guys with troubled marriages where their wives would show up and drag them off because they lied about being there in the first place. Dudes that were in debt spending money they didn't have on miniatures they didn't need. Some guy who would seal rotten produce and bring it in as terrain. Hygiene problems. Social ineptness. Bullies. Cheaters. Kleptomaniacs. Reprobates. It was more like a den of thieves than a hobby shop.
The worst guys, for me, are the guys who never play but hover around the tables and tell you what you're doing wrong and what they would do in your place.
This is a total package hobby. Always has been, always will. The game itself is just a part of it. Gaming, lore, painting and modeling, the terrain, the fellowship of teaching new guys and gals, the books, the v..... It's all a part of a whole. (o.o)
One of the more amusing but annoying things I've had happen to me was when I had made an Iron Warriors daemon prince conversion in which I literally sculpted, using Fimo and greenstuff, the legs, head, armour and leering daemon faces. I showed the conversion/sculpt to a guy in my local GW and the lovely gentleman said, "it's alright, but it could be better." I nodded and asked, "how so?" I don't mind asking for sagely wisdom when it's presented. He said I should have given it a jet pack like another one he had seen where storm talon engines had been used and the legs could have been done like this other prince etc., etc. The guy was being a bit of a condescending nob to be fair and I asked to see the daemon prince he was talking about. He did and it was another one I had sculpted about a year previous, I told him as much and showed him the original photos on my phone. It was funny, but when I thought about it, what if it had been someone else? I had put a lot of time and effort into the sculpt and he's telling me it's not that good? That's a shite thing to do. He was quite annoyed because he tried to one-up me with my own model and looked a twat, but it was unsettling to have happen all the same.
I suffer transiant depression myself. At the really low points personal hygine can suffer, not brushing teeth or washing for days but at those really low points going to a shop to buy food is hard work and going in to a GW store would be the last thing id be up for doing - especialy spending any time in there! Some people do have a genuine medical body odder issue. Im an electrician and used to work with a guy who just naturally smelled terrible. He would have clean clothes on and be showered every day whan I pickeh him up in the morning and made a big effort with deodereant every few hours but the smell could not be contained after around 10 am, especialy during the summer or if we were working somewhere hot. Drdiving home at the end of the day with him sat naex to me in my van was really quite bad. I even brought seat covers for especialy for him so he didnt contaminate my nice new VW transporter seats!! A lot of people like him with genuine medical B.O. problems sweat more and therfore stink more when under pressure - such as playing 40k so for a small minority of the smelly people its proibably completely beyond their control........poor sods!!
if you ever watched movie 'The Colour of Money' where Tom Cruise and Paul Newman stalk the U.S. pool halls being top players themselves but pretending that they're newbies so as to hustle local players who think that they're top banana for money bets. Well this is what I think I'm going to do with WH40K to embarass the local killjoys.
I was sort of that guy with my Tau in 6th and 7th (1 riptide, 1 unit of broadsides, 1 unit of hazard suits and some stealths too. Farsight enclave supplement let me take crisis suits as troops. I called it “Gundam Wing” I would play “Wings of a Boy who Killed” when I deepstriked the crisis teams, and “Standby for Titanfall” soundboard when I deep struck my riptide. It didn’t matter if your guys were hand made by the emperor, blessed by Nurgle, blessed by the emperor, in terminator armor, in artificer armor, if your guys drank blood, were furries, were dust men were in a horde or were *God Damn DEMONS* I was going to shoot the dogshit out of you and you weren’t going to get cover, you were going to get wounded on 2s (rerolling) I was going to make you cry to your mother. I didn’t bring this out, because it was such a masterful dickish army, wielded with spite and wrath. But if somebody started talking shit, the guys would be like “oh, you should play Raven’s Tau army.” To which I would break out the GW army case and be like “points level?” “Oh, don’t you care what I’m playing?” “Not really”
@@ravenRedwake I did something similar, except since I had a squad of 3 missle broadsides and a lot of sms on my army I would play the appropriate classical music to go along with it
Me and a friend would do this playing a trading card game at various FLGS throughout our region. We were not cheating people out of cash, but we gave the impression that we were not very good by being very humble and sounding impressed by the stories of the local players. We then would demolish the local guys by taking first and second place at every local store championship.
I'll be honest I *NEVER* play in hobby stores. Only in houses and clubs ... I find the club dynamic keeps people more honest on the whole. But I also avoid and make it known I avoid tournament players. Im here for drinks dice and a cool story.
I once arranged a 'casual' game at a local club. 2k Age of Sigmar. I specifically asked for a casual game as I was pretty new to the game and a chap agreed to play me. When I got there he tabled me in 2 turns. Turned out he was a hardcore Tourney player who's name I still see at the top 5 of a lot of the big tournements. He just wanted to practice his list so lied about being willing to have a casual game. When it was over (in about 90 minutes) I asked if he was glad we'd both spent £5 to play that game! He just smiled. He's stopped coming to the club now as people don't want to play him.
The exact same thing happened to me when I was a kid and playing my first game of 40K in a store in Sheffield. I was one of a couple of kids with a space marine unit each, playing together against this thirty-something guy that came into the store with an Eldar aspect warrior army. In the first turn he set them up on a high rooftop, then proceeded to have Swooping Hawks fly over the marines and kill a good few of them, then return to the rooftop. When our turn came, we asked if our marines could shoot back or climb up there, and he laughed like Comicbook Store Guy from the Simpsons and told us his guys were out of range and we couldn't reach them. On his next turn and the one after that, he did the same thing until the marines were wiped out. The GW staffer just kind of shrugged, as if getting beaten like that was just what happened to newbies, and after that, I never played the game again as I didn't see the point.
My first game a guy wiped me turn 1 with marine drop pod spam. Luckily I’m mentally toxic and refused to let him get rid of me and I would replay until eventually I got better at the hobby than him. Same goes for people that use only knights agsisnt newbies.
Umm, If I’m playing a friendly and ask for rule clarification from your codex and you refuse to show it - you look pretty bloody suspicious. In fact that person probably wouldn’t get many games. I get not asking for every single rule but if someone said “I’m under no obligation to show you my codex” then their attitude is probably the problem cause it doesn’t sound like a friendly game. Anytime anyone asks me for my rules I gladly take them through it as an opportunity to teach them.
I've won maybe one or two games out of the hundred or so I've played in total. Never bothered me one bit because I'm having fun, making decisions as my forces might. Never understood the waac mentality personally.
Is it the smartest choice for me to charge with noise marines? Probably not, but I don't think emperors children are particularily bothered by dying in combat
How I always felt playing Tyranids (this was back when a Tyrant was the biggest baddie), I'm all about just swarms of gaunts and such. Is it the most effective? No, but I honestly enjoy watching my opponent survive and often win, outnumbered 10 to 1.
Love the channel and content! I’ve been out of 40k since secondary school and 4th edition. Been a subscriber since Christmas and you’ve really got me tempted to get back into the hobby!
@@BrbWifeYelling One of the competitors of 40K. There are others but to be viable the community has to coalesce around one to be strong enough to compete with GW. Even if everyone plays both that is still a better situation.
As somebody just getting to the tabletop side of the hobby this was great to listen too and pretty encouraging to know their are plenty of players simply excited about the hobby.
Really enjoyed listening to this. I laughed and nodded my head several times during this video. Top stuff. I have subscribed. I look forward to more like this.
Was fortunate enough to have a game with possibly the humblest winner I’ve ever met. Every time he made a very good roll, he would apologise. He tabled me in turn 3, shook my hand and said “sorry if this game wasn’t that fun for you” Seemed genuinely embarrassed he had won.
My very very first experience with the game I took a small army to the store to fight with another guy…I told him I was just learning…I messed up the phases and skipped one (I thought it came later) and he wouldn’t let me go back and correct myself. He decimated me. Left a sour taste for sure.
My favoirte rule out of the offical core rulebook is: If you are not certain about a rule: ask your opponent if X is okay. That is like the total opposite of a competitve game XD
when I started playing a tradition from the very first gaming store that I have played at and kept to this day is when a new guy comes in and he has less then like 10 games no one brings a very powerful list. The second tradition that I have followed is that I buy the new guy 1 cool model (Dreadnought, a capt, etc) to centerpiece there army to welcome them into the community.
Being a good loser does indeed come up more often than any of us would like but it's swings and roundabouts. Playing Necromunda at my local club before Christmas and my Van Saar's got tabled in turn three by a Delaque gang. Unfortunately that game the dice just weren't with me, I shook his hand and we laughed about the carnage that took place in the second and third turns. Following week, I played the same guy and I won in turn three by destroying the objective. He shook my hand and we laughed about his ganger on sentry that just kept walking up and down a set of stairs and my neophyte who blinded himself and no-one else with a grenade.
A guy in my local group has a saying about bad games. "When two players come to the table with two very different ideas about the type of game they're playing, that is a bad game. If they agree on what type of game it is then its not a bad game just a game. You win, you lose, but most important is the fun of the game." I can definitely get behind the logic since we have competitive players, narrative players and the casual players that all get along well for the most part and those that think competitive play is the only way get sorted out pretty quick.
Are there many people that touch other peoples' models without permission? I think NE mentioned it in a previous video. I am not the best painter, but if someone touched my minis with his cheeto-crusted mitts he would certainly be nursing an injured hand. That is incredibly rude.
Yeah, I understand - I always ask before picking up a model. I also 'cradle it' with both hands. It's just simply showing respect for someone else's hard work.
@@colinmacmillan2944 I would def. hold a mini by the edge of the base, but I also can't see any reason to pick up someone else's, either. If I wanted a closer look I would sit at the table and get down to its level.
What irked me were the swarm players moving mobs. They carefully measure and move the lead and last model, then move the rest. Some models move 2”, some move 8”. I played green skins and measured every model movement. I did it quickly. Green skins, bugs, and infantry heavy IGs were the main culprits.
I remember walking into my local games workshop at 16 and walking back out with my mates specifically because how bad it smelt. Finally getting into the hobby 6 years later
I really only have one bad memory (that was someone’s fault), and it was when i was making up a scenario. Me and another dude were making a scenario we thought would be fun, and we got some other people to playtest for us. It was essentially a group of tooled up marines fighting waves of GSC played by the GM. It was a rough draft, and horribly unbalanced in the marine’s favor, so i tried to balance it out a bit. I made i mistake and tipped it too far into the cult’s advantage, and one of the marine players got pissed, knocked over two cultists, and SHOVED ANOTHER TWO UP HIS EARS.
I'm mates with one lad who's pretty much impossible to beat, as in by turn 3 you're pretty much done, aaand he pretty much had an optimised list for anything. He's not like this Simon guy though. His mind just works in that way. He's incredibly analytical and his job involves him using his brain in a strategic way too, so you're pretty much gonna loose. I've had him worried a couple of times though, which was a real surprise. And he's great fun to play, mainly because he tries to teach you whilst you're playing. In a good way. There is however two loads at my local gaming club who are pretty much carbon copies of this Simon guy, with the added sprinkling of dick where they just love playing against unskilled players and steam rollering them. I've played them each once and never again! And I just try and be a good loser at 40k. Don't get me wrong I do try, it's just that I SUUUUUCK at the game. I make up for it by being a pretty descent painter though. I never win, but at least my army looks better, on the dead pile. 😅
I guess if you know what the guy is doing in full time you can really get to grips with the kind of game they are going to play...which is all good! I've also noticed a lot of my autistic friends tend to being REALLY powerful lists without even trying xD
@@northernexile You always know what list my mate is bringing, and he refuses to do "gotcha moments" as he calls them. He's just incapable of toning down his lists, well that's not entirely fair as he is getting a bit better at it since getting to know me, and he's just that good at the game. I have made him suicide his Riptide in try separate games though to deny me points. Oh that was sweet. 🤣
@@colinmack8655 Probably has something to do with it. I do occasionally win a game. I mean, I managed to win about 4 games the entirety of 8th ed. I haven't really bothered playing much since 9th. It's just become to complicated for a potato player like me.
@@colinmack8655 Plus, as strange as this may sound, the actual playing of the game is the least part of the GW hobby. It's been painting and collecting first and foremost for over 20 years, very close second comes the background lore, novels and artwork. I only really got into playing as I have a few mates who play and I figured I was missing out on a big part of the hobby.
@@dannyeccles1894 I do the same thing with 'gotcha moments' with a friend, since he doesn't know my rules for my armies. I've had moments of, "Okay, before you do that, I have an ability that lets me do XYZ. You okay with that?" just so its a bit fair and I don't feel like I'm taking advantage.
I love my local gaming store, i love going down just to chat n have a cuppa sometimes but honestly, going down on game night, i always have a trepidation of what that rooms going to smell like when i open the door.... Im really sensative to smell and sometimes its like walking into a wall of nurgles corruption.
I remember when I was like 12 walking into the harlequin (our local) gamestore for the first time. Good times. One guy had an absolutely insane looking tyranid army. I was like oh zerg looks cool in this game. Lol. The guys convinced me to grab some space wolves. Man that was an epic codex with the guy shooting the orcs on it.
I never play competative but I dont get the 3 strike rule. So after your 3 are up the enemy can just make up rules from the codex and you cant check? People would defos abuse that.
Had a guy at my local store tell me not to ruin painting my titan before i started ...which was weird Had another bloke genuinely compare playing 40k to commanding battles in real life ....as if real humans have dice rolls or stats to dictate what happens :D
I mean there is some comparison to be made, it is a game where you set up terrain on a battlefield and move your units to attack the enemy while utilising their strengths and weaknesses, luck will also be a factor of any battle will it not?
when i played 40k i wore muscle tops had my eyebrow pierced, wore gold rings, gold chains, a baseball cap, i always wore cream, cream trachsuit cream muscle top cream baseball cap. and wore about half a bottle of aftershave
I'll have a separate comment about my first experience with a "hated player", but I want to talk about that Jason story first. I feel so bad for the woman in the story! I'm actually a trans woman myself, and thankfully had a wonderful time at the Warhammer Citadel cafe yesterday. Was my first game since 6th edition! Unfortunately not all of my experiences have been like this. Back in 6th I was up against a Tau player who was very much a Simon AND bad winner. He decimated my pewter Sisters with a fire warrior gunline and multiple times said "that went well for me!" He also tried to tell me there's "no way" Adepta Sororitas can wear power armor since they don't have Space Marine modifications. Like, does he forget Inquisitors also exist? Anyway, I'm said to say that was my last 40k game until yesterday. :(
I swear I've got some kind of glandular disorder or something, because I smell like a swampland within about two hours of having a shower and it's honestly videos like this that remind me not to go to clubs or stores for gaming.
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One thing I think exemplifies how it's a hobby more than a sport is how a lot of competitive tournaments award extra points for having a well-painted army, as well as often having specific competition awards for best painted/modelled army. There's defo gonna be some fun in playing hyper-competitive lists but honestly I don't see why you'd get anything out of that by playing against inexperienced or casual players. You're better off playing equally competitive friends or entering competitions because then both your victories and defeats have some meaning and help you develop as a player.
I think you touched on alot of serious and true points.. At my local Warhammer store, a fairly new store, 40K has a bad reputation as a whole because of poor interactions with a select few people. I've always made it a point to counter the stereo type, and create a fun inviting experience when I'm there to play. It's sad I feel like I have to do that, but I don't think the game itself should suffer because of a couple of knuckle heads.
I would contend there is nothing wrong with building the most overpowered army out there. And nothing wrong with playing it *BUT* people in this hobby (not all, but a lot) do not seem to know how to read a room. If you are able to understand every rule and meta and make unbeatable armies, then you also should know what you *COULD* bring to the table that will make the game more challenging for you (and less terrible for your opponent). You make armies like "Simon's" when you want to go up against someone with the same level of commitment to winning. Playing them every time against everyone is like giving a 3 year old a hammer; to them everything is now a nail, and no one really has a good time afterwards.
problem is with a overpowered army once you table everyone by turn one or two no one ever wants to play you so while you can win everyone its not much fun watching everyone else playing while your army is in a box over the years i've learned the best armies to get are the super weak ones because as soon as you turn up to a store everyone wants to play you and if you somehow win your bragging rights are out the roof
But playing against weaker opponents is super fun.. For the analytical types, when you play against someone of an equal skill level. The game becomes an exercise in dice rolling rather than an actual game. At higher levels, good players should be able to easily predict what the 'correct' move is for both players, and will be able to predict what the correct follow up is. When you know every move both players are going to make before they make it, it's no longer a game. The problem goes both ways.
I can admit to being a bit of rules lawyer sometimes, usually if it the opponent is cool and misuses a rule to there detriment il ask to see the book and let them just how more powerful that tactic, rule, strategem etc is than the way they are understanding it
The players that make the most noise about their opponents being waac and cheating are usually the ones cheating. I fought cheaters for years but they were cheating because they were not good players and they stacked advantages and cheated in as many ways as they could like setting up the terrain so it gives no cover before you arrive at their house for the game and extra models but they dont learn that way and they know deep down they are cheats and it still failed most of the time it doesnt usually work unless they are a good player that cheats as thats shady and theres no need. Thats usually limited to tournaments for the most part where its more cut throat.
My first "hated player" experience was against an acquaintance who was a very irritating type of rules lawyer and I haven't wanted to play with him again. I was playing Drukhari in 6e, and had a Venom in the field. It had moved, but the rules said I could fire the top splinter cannon as normal, and then take snap shots with the undermounted one. He kept saying "Yeah, I'll let you get away with that", even after I pointed out the exact page that referenced the rule I was using. Throughout the game he still acted as if I were cheating, and he was "permitting" me to do so. O_O
One of the worse cases of cheating occurred some years ago. Playing Warhammer fantasy, 4 player game. One of the guys playing Chaos seemed to have a character equipped with nothing but dispel scrolls… after the 5th one was used we all started to think something was odd. Now the guy in question only had one character in his army for some reason for about a 2000pt game, but nevertheless it seemed to have more items than legally allowed. When we questioned this the guy flew off the handle, called us all jealous of his army, almost upended the table (fortunately it was a heavy table!), packed up and left in a huge huff. He never came back to the gaming club after that 😅
I had a Succubus and Incubi locked in combat with Centurions and Librarian back when Cents were new and Dark Eldar still had the 5th Edition Codex. One was on his last wound. He physically picked it up and swapped it with a model from the back of the unit. It was probably the twelfth fast one he pulled that game.
I got back into 40k about 20 years ago. I always tried to make gaming against me fun. I have even played kids getting into the hobby and taught them the game. I don't play the game to solely to win but to have fun for me and my opponent. I hate the power players who want to win at all cost. They end up with most people not wanting to play them.
Baffles me how baldermort gets so many mentions on other people’s TH-cam channels whilst I can’t even seem to find anyone who’s heard of “Luetin09” even tho Luetin has 4 times as many subs ?
2:20 there’s a real brief mention of “a bunch of weirdos who go there now” and it ended up being a Games Workshop store in the Highlander TV series where Richie was trying to find his mom (one of the early season 1 episodes)
I’m still pretty new to 40K, mostly just been collecting and painting but watch lots of battle reports and have a rough understanding of how it plays(played a few practice matches against myself to figure most of the rules out)My buddy is just starting out with the space wolves combat patrol, what would be a good army to put up against him when he plays his first game? I have enough to make up combat patrols of death guard, orks, imperial guard and genestealer cults. I was gonna probably go with deathguard since it’s my favourite faction but I’d wanna make it as fun as possible for him for his first game so any advice would be helpful
Honestly if you know how strong his box is and don't tailor your army to destroy his then you should be fine! But maybe take a faction you don't know quite so well ? One who you dont take very often just so you're both learning things, understanding a new army and way of play.
Had a friend whip out two Forgeworld Contemptor dreadnought, both equipped with twin volkite weapons on both arms. Keep in mind that they have had quite a few years of experience and I had about 3 matches to my name. He used this and a Redemptor on top of that despite the fact that he knows I don’t have any anti-tank in my Necron army, as I didn’t own any at that point. He wipes half of my army first turn, and by turn three I had a single HQ left that was tucked in a corner. I pretty much just agreed that the match was over. I can’t be super mad because he is younger than me and was exited to test out his new shiny dreadnoughts, but I was still rather sour about the match, as it was my fourth game playing and I was thrown up against something like that. I had no answer to his army list. Even while typing this I’m a little sour, as the excuse given was “I was stomped on TTS for a year, you will feel the same pain”. I feel like that’s not exactly fair. Now to note, I haven’t won a single match I’ve played, but I at least knew that it was more on the side of “Oh I made a mistake here and I should improve there.” This was more like, “He has something that I *cannot* beat.” Idk. I feel like I am being very petty and a sore loser, but it was mad unfun to fight.
I've been using the same ork green tide dakka list since 5th edition. Now I only used them once at the start of 9th. But I use to play this one guy for about 3 years now. I always tell him that I'm going to bring my orks. And he tries his damness to write a list to stop it. Also does a few sly ones like extra long tables and deployment zones at the short end of the table with extra terrain on his end to guard his chaos marines. But I either draw with him or beat him every time. But he's always super salty. Now I'm quite tactical and understand the game is about being able to use what your list is designed for and pulling it off. Because I've been using the same green tide dakka list for so long I know it inside out. From this video am I in the wrong for being tactical? Or in the right for beating his salty carry on ? I refuse to play that guy now btw.
"Here's my smell, let's play" 😄 so funny! I'm a firm believer that GW should create their own deodorant line. In saying that... using a space marine or imperial guard scented deodorant might just compound the issue 😆
People curb-stomping the other players sounds like a solved problem to me? It's always been that way in, for example, chess. If you haven't studied the game intensely for years, and you walk into a chess club, the first 12 year old you play a casual game against is going to banish you to the shadow realm without even trying. That's why there are handicaps, either in pieces or time, so that players of different strengths can still have fun games together. I remember seeing a chess game on youtube where the weaker player had 10 minutes on their clock, vs the stronger player's 1 minute, and it was an intense game even tho the stronger player still won in the end. So why don't you just give weaker players more points, or whatever? Everything I hear about how Warhammer 40k is actually played continues to completely vindicate my decision to ignore the game entirely and just paint the models.
Never insult someones paint job. you dont know that persons life and just how much time and ability that person has. There is no reason to be cruel to someone elses work.
Played since RT and 2nd and so many flashbacks from this vid. Sore winners, had a guy complaining because his tourney list HADN'T tabled me fast enough, literally told me I was lucky to have a second turn, really sullen about it.
To put my 2 cents in for your opening paragraph, I don't think that the thing that is holding Warhammer 40K back from being mainstream is the niche audience, the visceral nature, or the nonsensical lore, it is the physical product itself. For Dungeons & Dragons all you really need is the book, some paper, some dice, and friends to play with. For Magic the Gathering all you need to do is understand the rules, by pre-made cards, build your deck, and have friends to play with. For what Hammer 40k, you need to buy two books, spend hundreds of dollars on models, assemble the models, paint the models, find friends to play with for a few years, then buy more models because a New Codex is come out and your army is out of date or not points compliant anymore. It is a matter of emotional and physical economy. You have to be a dedicated fan in order to continue the hobby and it takes an act of will to get into the hobby in the first place! At least that is my opinion.
This is why, when I was playing Commander in Magic, there were certain decks that I had where I would play them once and you'd never see it again, because either I would be the archnemesis from the moment you saw my commander, or it would boil down to me sitting there playing solitaire at you. Now, that's not to say that they weren't powerful decks, they were, and that was the problem. So, I ended up getting the reputation of where I'd combo off and drop out so the rest of the group could keep playing. but I wasn't having fun. So, I don't play magic anymore. Now I'm trying to learn Warhammer, but every time I think I've got a handle on things and how I want to build my army I find out they've changed the points cost and none of my hundreds of dollars worth of books are accurate anymore and I'm not having fun.
the main reason I play kruleboyz and have a 100 hobgrotz is because I learned that if you win all the time no one wants to play you but playing a army which is not meta all of a sudden everyone wants to play you and your never sitting on the side waiting for a game plus even if I somehow manage to win, the opponent still has fun as they wade through the mass deaths of my 100 hobgrots
Was up warhammer world for a 40k tournament years ago,took a balanced nid infantry force for any type of encounter faced off against a marine force of 15 razorbacks and I think it was 2 deverstator squads,needless to say couldn't even get halfway across the table,anoughter guy just had 20 terminators and sat in hard cover.
I tried to get a friend into the game before so he built a a small-medium sized army and in his first game someone drop 2 drop pods onto his army killing 90 percent of It before he even moved my friend didn’t play again
Yeah that's pretty true I played against blood angels and imperial guard wasn't fun they focused on powerful army I later fought a sister battle and it was better because he didn't want a OP army it was fun fighting them
I've mentioned Mr guard player at my local club a few times in posts. He called me out on a Deathwing army waaaaaay back in 3rd edition when the Dark Angels were first allowed to do it. Made a whole scene about me running an illegal army and taking more points and terminators than I could. Ran through the list and codex and when he said "right ok I guess you can use it then" I informed him I didn't need his permission to play the list and forfeited the game. He was not happy I called him out on his shit.
I always bring all my books with me and i have no issue with people asking to see my rules. I also dont see a problem asking to see the other players Codex if you think a rule seems off.
I disagree with the not allowing people to check rules thing. So many people have outright cheated knowingly against me at this point that if something is fishy or if it's an army I am not familiar with I will ask to check rules from time to time.
Looks like the first guy just had the wrong crowd he played against. Its fun to play competitively when both players are doing so. Just gotta find those people.
When I managed a LGS, we had one guy who would come in and spend hours reading the store copy of the Pathfinder bestiaries out loud to his friend. Talk about annoying...
Honestly I kinda backed away from 40k because all the players talked about it like winning was a must, and I just don’t care enough. It wasn’t until I talked to my games workshop worker I learned it was just to have fun. When I told him I probably wouldn’t be very good since I didn’t have much time he said that’s even better because I can just show up and blow things up without worrying about winning or losing.
Had a Simon at my place too. Sadly he was the guy who first introduced me to warhammer games. He would take my list and directly tell me if I would win or loose and then simply denied to play. "Yeah man Im a beginner. How am I supposed to have a good army?" I asked. He said "You can just copy a list from a forum. they are really good." I answered that it wouldnt be possible for me to istantly buy an entire army from scratch. I need to rely on the starter boxes for the start. "Yeah so I wont play you." I knew the guy for years. we always came along. I didnt know he was like that. we didnt really talk since then. Sadly my other ecnounters with the hobby were also close to this. so I lost interest in playing. I only have the minis now. Wanted to get back in, but now the prives are just ... ooompf.
Been playing on and off since 3e. My win rate is maybe 30% probably closer to 20%. It's not about winning; 40k is not about winning as a setting or narrative. It's about making the enemy pay for every bloody inch of ground they take at the steepest cost you can manage and having fun while doing it.
I got called waac because i like 3 walking hive tyrants. The guy saying this used titanic stuff and had endless advantages and often fielded 5 knights lol. I was too good for them and enjoyed the games so i played them but i dont any more.
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A good friend of mine explained to me one time. “It’s not a sport it’s a hobby. It’s not about winning or losing it’s about the process. Winning is just a cherry on top.”
I think a healthy way to think about it is that competition is the motivator but the fun should be everything else. People are naturally motivated by just about any competition. But we should use that instead of being used by it. And btw, about 95% of the hobby is stuff other than actually competing.
I think also another thing to keep in mind: your win is somebody's loss, and your loss is somebody's win.
Tbh my win ratio is about 15% Im here for the story and the impossible 6+ 6+ moments !!!
in my experience: narrative gaming and competitive gaming ar on eather end of the spectrum with lots of variations in between. The way to get the most out of the game and hobby is to align ones position on this spectrum as closely together as possible. that way balance will not be an issue, player goals will not be an issue, fairness will not be an issue. but the players can only do this through talking beforehand and being open about it.
Like the piwer gamer in the first bit: it's absolutely fine to play line this. but you need an opponent that plays the same way. if a narrative player and a competitive player were to play each other, nobody will have fun as Exile explained perfectly.
@@knowbody223 I agree 99%. The problem is that last 1% can poison the entire well. I would never play a game like 40K competitively and I don’t think that is a good solution. And I have quit several franchises because of that one "power gamer" in our friend group gaming the exploits in the game available evdn to casual gamers. The solution is for GW to make better rules. And making better rules isn't a destination, it is an ongoing process. And not just "better" in the sense of constant, arbitrary, ridiculous change for the exploitable churn for the benefit of the meta chasers.
The very first time i went to a GW store to play a few games was 4th/5th edition. It was the first Grey Knight codex when it was deamonhunters. i had 3 games and came across three different types of players
-First game was against a guy playing Dark Eldar. We set up and I get to go first and soon as iv finished moving a squad. He starts to roll his dice and starts to rattle stuff off lighting face and starts to removed some of my miniatures. He does this for the rest of my army and by the time i have finished moving I am down to probably 40% of my over all force. By the time he has completed his movement he has got me down to just my HQ and my dreadnought. We move onto the shooting phase and before iv even rolled to hit, he rattles something else off and my HQ is dead. When I go to fire my dreadnoughts weapons he does it again and I'm destroyed and he hasn't lost a single model.
I had tried multiple time to ask him what it was he was doing and he ignored me. I am feeling like absolute crap and starting to think maybe this hobby Isn't for me.
-Second game was against a Blood Angles player. Told him that this was my second game and he was like "Ah cool, well there is my codex if you need to check something just do it." the battle goes on for 4 turns and its a close victory for him and I've had an absolute blast as we have both really gotten into talking and acting out what's going on.
-Third game is against an IG army. Now you can tell by looking at this guy and how he acts he knows the hobby. You crack this guys skull open and every single line from every codex is going to come pouring out.
So we are having out game and the stops and says "Do you know about your Shroud ability?" He can tell by the look on my face I don't. So he picks up my codex flicks to the page and shows me and all he says is "Your opponent has to roll to see how far he can see. Basically your opponent has to use night fighting, you don't."
Next turn he is like "Mate you worked your army out wrong. That's not 1500 points, your only around 1000." I am feeling like crap once more and i tell him I am sorry and because its not 1500 I've lost."
He asks for my case and start to pull out my SM army and telling me to use them as Grey Knights. I asked him if he would like to restart the game and he was like "Nah its fine keep going."
For the rest of the game he pointed out anything I has missed and anything i had made a mistake with, even if it was when i was doing something against him.
He beats me and I've had an absolute blast. So we are clearing up and I'm talking about my first game and he just calls the manager over and explains what's been going on.
After talking to the manager about the game i had with the DE player he tells me the lad was cheating and half the stuff I had told him about wasn't in the codex. Turns out he was known for making stuff up with new players.
Store Manager asks if I am going to come back next week and I tell him i am not sure as I feel bad for how today played out and he just says "One game, just one game with me."
We are now on 9th edition and I still go few times a month and soon as someone new comes in they match them up with me, because they know how much of a bad experience I had with the game first time and know I'm not going to let other feel the same way. I run two armies World Eaters and Custodians. When ever I have a game with a new player I always ask them which one they would like to face.
Like Northern Exile said, the look on their face when they do something and they just say "What? are you sure?" is something else
I had a game today with a 14yo lad and he was over the moon he was taking down my World Eaters with his Space Marines.
Comment of the day. Lovely story.
That sounds absolutely lovely, thank you for making the community a welcoming space :)
I pretty much lived at game stores as a teen in the 90's. Even worked at one for a time. It's odd looking back. War game hobbyists were some of the strangest people I've ever met.
Guys with troubled marriages where their wives would show up and drag them off because they lied about being there in the first place. Dudes that were in debt spending money they didn't have on miniatures they didn't need. Some guy who would seal rotten produce and bring it in as terrain. Hygiene problems. Social ineptness. Bullies. Cheaters. Kleptomaniacs. Reprobates.
It was more like a den of thieves than a hobby shop.
Your comment actually made me laugh. Too true.
"...A wretched hive of scum and villainy..."
What?
Like you all weren't thinking it too.
I can always tell a busy day at the hobbyshop,by the level of bo!
The worst guys, for me, are the guys who never play but hover around the tables and tell you what you're doing wrong and what they would do in your place.
And they never seem to play a game themselves...week after week...
@@scopedog9197 And if you offer to let them finish the game for you they suddenly are very busy or needed elsewhere
This is a total package hobby.
Always has been, always will. The game itself is just a part of it. Gaming, lore, painting and modeling, the terrain, the fellowship of teaching new guys and gals, the books, the v.....
It's all a part of a whole. (o.o)
Truth!
One of the more amusing but annoying things I've had happen to me was when I had made an Iron Warriors daemon prince conversion in which I literally sculpted, using Fimo and greenstuff, the legs, head, armour and leering daemon faces. I showed the conversion/sculpt to a guy in my local GW and the lovely gentleman said, "it's alright, but it could be better." I nodded and asked, "how so?" I don't mind asking for sagely wisdom when it's presented. He said I should have given it a jet pack like another one he had seen where storm talon engines had been used and the legs could have been done like this other prince etc., etc. The guy was being a bit of a condescending nob to be fair and I asked to see the daemon prince he was talking about. He did and it was another one I had sculpted about a year previous, I told him as much and showed him the original photos on my phone. It was funny, but when I thought about it, what if it had been someone else? I had put a lot of time and effort into the sculpt and he's telling me it's not that good? That's a shite thing to do. He was quite annoyed because he tried to one-up me with my own model and looked a twat, but it was unsettling to have happen all the same.
It's funny how that old fluffy line kids are told when playing sports "no one's a loser if everyone has fun" finally comes true in Warhammer.
I suffer transiant depression myself. At the really low points personal hygine can suffer, not brushing teeth or washing for days but at those really low points going to a shop to buy food is hard work and going in to a GW store would be the last thing id be up for doing - especialy spending any time in there!
Some people do have a genuine medical body odder issue. Im an electrician and used to work with a guy who just naturally smelled terrible. He would have clean clothes on and be showered every day whan I pickeh him up in the morning and made a big effort with deodereant every few hours but the smell could not be contained after around 10 am, especialy during the summer or if we were working somewhere hot. Drdiving home at the end of the day with him sat naex to me in my van was really quite bad. I even brought seat covers for especialy for him so he didnt contaminate my nice new VW transporter seats!!
A lot of people like him with genuine medical B.O. problems sweat more and therfore stink more when under pressure - such as playing 40k so for a small minority of the smelly people its proibably completely beyond their control........poor sods!!
if you ever watched movie 'The Colour of Money' where Tom Cruise and Paul Newman stalk the U.S. pool halls being top players themselves but pretending that they're newbies so as to hustle local players who think that they're top banana for money bets.
Well this is what I think I'm going to do with WH40K to embarass the local killjoys.
I was sort of that guy with my Tau in 6th and 7th (1 riptide, 1 unit of broadsides, 1 unit of hazard suits and some stealths too. Farsight enclave supplement let me take crisis suits as troops. I called it “Gundam Wing”
I would play “Wings of a Boy who Killed” when I deepstriked the crisis teams, and “Standby for Titanfall” soundboard when I deep struck my riptide.
It didn’t matter if your guys were hand made by the emperor, blessed by Nurgle, blessed by the emperor, in terminator armor, in artificer armor, if your guys drank blood, were furries, were dust men were in a horde or were *God Damn DEMONS* I was going to shoot the dogshit out of you and you weren’t going to get cover, you were going to get wounded on 2s (rerolling)
I was going to make you cry to your mother.
I didn’t bring this out, because it was such a masterful dickish army, wielded with spite and wrath.
But if somebody started talking shit, the guys would be like “oh, you should play Raven’s Tau army.”
To which I would break out the GW army case and be like “points level?”
“Oh, don’t you care what I’m playing?”
“Not really”
@@ravenRedwake haha
@@ravenRedwake I did something similar, except since I had a squad of 3 missle broadsides and a lot of sms on my army I would play the appropriate classical music to go along with it
...and Paul Newman gets hustled himself...
Me and a friend would do this playing a trading card game at various FLGS throughout our region. We were not cheating people out of cash, but we gave the impression that we were not very good by being very humble and sounding impressed by the stories of the local players. We then would demolish the local guys by taking first and second place at every local store championship.
I'll be honest I *NEVER* play in hobby stores. Only in houses and clubs ... I find the club dynamic keeps people more honest on the whole. But I also avoid and make it known I avoid tournament players. Im here for drinks dice and a cool story.
I once arranged a 'casual' game at a local club. 2k Age of Sigmar. I specifically asked for a casual game as I was pretty new to the game and a chap agreed to play me. When I got there he tabled me in 2 turns. Turned out he was a hardcore Tourney player who's name I still see at the top 5 of a lot of the big tournements. He just wanted to practice his list so lied about being willing to have a casual game. When it was over (in about 90 minutes) I asked if he was glad we'd both spent £5 to play that game! He just smiled. He's stopped coming to the club now as people don't want to play him.
Sounds like his idea of a casual game isn't that same as yours.
I know you wrote this a while ago, but why'd you each have to pay £5?
Did you have to pay to use a table at the club?
@@michaeleck8503 Exactly that. The club is in a rented hall. The £5 covers the rent, terrain, mats etc.
The exact same thing happened to me when I was a kid and playing my first game of 40K in a store in Sheffield. I was one of a couple of kids with a space marine unit each, playing together against this thirty-something guy that came into the store with an Eldar aspect warrior army. In the first turn he set them up on a high rooftop, then proceeded to have Swooping Hawks fly over the marines and kill a good few of them, then return to the rooftop. When our turn came, we asked if our marines could shoot back or climb up there, and he laughed like Comicbook Store Guy from the Simpsons and told us his guys were out of range and we couldn't reach them. On his next turn and the one after that, he did the same thing until the marines were wiped out. The GW staffer just kind of shrugged, as if getting beaten like that was just what happened to newbies, and after that, I never played the game again as I didn't see the point.
It really sucks when early moments in the hobby are snatched away and ruined like that - just awful.
My first game a guy wiped me turn 1 with marine drop pod spam. Luckily I’m mentally toxic and refused to let him get rid of me and I would replay until eventually I got better at the hobby than him. Same goes for people that use only knights agsisnt newbies.
Umm, If I’m playing a friendly and ask for rule clarification from your codex and you refuse to show it - you look pretty bloody suspicious. In fact that person probably wouldn’t get many games.
I get not asking for every single rule but if someone said “I’m under no obligation to show you my codex” then their attitude is probably the problem cause it doesn’t sound like a friendly game. Anytime anyone asks me for my rules I gladly take them through it as an opportunity to teach them.
I've won maybe one or two games out of the hundred or so I've played in total. Never bothered me one bit because I'm having fun, making decisions as my forces might. Never understood the waac mentality personally.
Is it the smartest choice for me to charge with noise marines? Probably not, but I don't think emperors children are particularily bothered by dying in combat
How I always felt playing Tyranids (this was back when a Tyrant was the biggest baddie), I'm all about just swarms of gaunts and such. Is it the most effective? No, but I honestly enjoy watching my opponent survive and often win, outnumbered 10 to 1.
honestly the moment the game begins im just looking to blow up your tanks and thats good enough for me, win or lose
Love the channel and content! I’ve been out of 40k since secondary school and 4th edition. Been a subscriber since Christmas and you’ve really got me tempted to get back into the hobby!
Please try One Page Rules first
@@USALibertarian what’s that?
@@BrbWifeYelling One of the competitors of 40K. There are others but to be viable the community has to coalesce around one to be strong enough to compete with GW. Even if everyone plays both that is still a better situation.
As somebody just getting to the tabletop side of the hobby this was great to listen too and pretty encouraging to know their are plenty of players simply excited about the hobby.
Really enjoyed listening to this. I laughed and nodded my head several times during this video. Top stuff. I have subscribed. I look forward to more like this.
Boss wot you doin ere?
Was fortunate enough to have a game with possibly the humblest winner I’ve ever met. Every time he made a very good roll, he would apologise. He tabled me in turn 3, shook my hand and said “sorry if this game wasn’t that fun for you”
Seemed genuinely embarrassed he had won.
Simons cheat sheet sounds like his own codex astartes
" This isn't bedtime stories with uncle exile", coulda fooled me bud, I listen to your videos when I'm drifting off all the time.
Haha I have joined an elite club xD
@@northernexile Don't take that comment the wrong way bud, I listen to you when I paint as well
My very very first experience with the game I took a small army to the store to fight with another guy…I told him I was just learning…I messed up the phases and skipped one (I thought it came later) and he wouldn’t let me go back and correct myself. He decimated me. Left a sour taste for sure.
My favoirte rule out of the offical core rulebook is:
If you are not certain about a rule: ask your opponent if X is okay.
That is like the total opposite of a competitve game XD
when I started playing a tradition from the very first gaming store that I have played at and kept to this day is when a new guy comes in and he has less then like 10 games no one brings a very powerful list. The second tradition that I have followed is that I buy the new guy 1 cool model (Dreadnought, a capt, etc) to centerpiece there army to welcome them into the community.
Being a good loser does indeed come up more often than any of us would like but it's swings and roundabouts. Playing Necromunda at my local club before Christmas and my Van Saar's got tabled in turn three by a Delaque gang. Unfortunately that game the dice just weren't with me, I shook his hand and we laughed about the carnage that took place in the second and third turns.
Following week, I played the same guy and I won in turn three by destroying the objective. He shook my hand and we laughed about his ganger on sentry that just kept walking up and down a set of stairs and my neophyte who blinded himself and no-one else with a grenade.
A guy in my local group has a saying about bad games. "When two players come to the table with two very different ideas about the type of game they're playing, that is a bad game. If they agree on what type of game it is then its not a bad game just a game. You win, you lose, but most important is the fun of the game." I can definitely get behind the logic since we have competitive players, narrative players and the casual players that all get along well for the most part and those that think competitive play is the only way get sorted out pretty quick.
Very informative video 😊 the worst ones I find are those who bully you behind your back.
Are there many people that touch other peoples' models without permission? I think NE mentioned it in a previous video.
I am not the best painter, but if someone touched my minis with his cheeto-crusted mitts he would certainly be nursing an injured hand. That is incredibly rude.
Yeah, I understand - I always ask before picking up a model. I also 'cradle it' with both hands. It's just simply showing respect for someone else's hard work.
@@colinmacmillan2944 I would def. hold a mini by the edge of the base, but I also can't see any reason to pick up someone else's, either. If I wanted a closer look I would sit at the table and get down to its level.
You post great videos about Warhammer I love your stories keep it up
What irked me were the swarm players moving mobs. They carefully measure and move the lead and last model, then move the rest. Some models move 2”, some move 8”. I played green skins and measured every model movement. I did it quickly. Green skins, bugs, and infantry heavy IGs were the main culprits.
I remember walking into my local games workshop at 16 and walking back out with my mates specifically because how bad it smelt. Finally getting into the hobby 6 years later
I really only have one bad memory (that was someone’s fault), and it was when i was making up a scenario. Me and another dude were making a scenario we thought would be fun, and we got some other people to playtest for us. It was essentially a group of tooled up marines fighting waves of GSC played by the GM. It was a rough draft, and horribly unbalanced in the marine’s favor, so i tried to balance it out a bit. I made i mistake and tipped it too far into the cult’s advantage, and one of the marine players got pissed, knocked over two cultists, and SHOVED ANOTHER TWO UP HIS EARS.
I'm mates with one lad who's pretty much impossible to beat, as in by turn 3 you're pretty much done, aaand he pretty much had an optimised list for anything. He's not like this Simon guy though. His mind just works in that way. He's incredibly analytical and his job involves him using his brain in a strategic way too, so you're pretty much gonna loose. I've had him worried a couple of times though, which was a real surprise. And he's great fun to play, mainly because he tries to teach you whilst you're playing. In a good way.
There is however two loads at my local gaming club who are pretty much carbon copies of this Simon guy, with the added sprinkling of dick where they just love playing against unskilled players and steam rollering them. I've played them each once and never again!
And I just try and be a good loser at 40k. Don't get me wrong I do try, it's just that I SUUUUUCK at the game.
I make up for it by being a pretty descent painter though. I never win, but at least my army looks better, on the dead pile. 😅
I guess if you know what the guy is doing in full time you can really get to grips with the kind of game they are going to play...which is all good! I've also noticed a lot of my autistic friends tend to being REALLY powerful lists without even trying xD
@@northernexile You always know what list my mate is bringing, and he refuses to do "gotcha moments" as he calls them.
He's just incapable of toning down his lists, well that's not entirely fair as he is getting a bit better at it since getting to know me, and he's just that good at the game.
I have made him suicide his Riptide in try separate games though to deny me points.
Oh that was sweet. 🤣
@@colinmack8655 Probably has something to do with it. I do occasionally win a game. I mean, I managed to win about 4 games the entirety of 8th ed.
I haven't really bothered playing much since 9th. It's just become to complicated for a potato player like me.
@@colinmack8655 Plus, as strange as this may sound, the actual playing of the game is the least part of the GW hobby. It's been painting and collecting first and foremost for over 20 years, very close second comes the background lore, novels and artwork.
I only really got into playing as I have a few mates who play and I figured I was missing out on a big part of the hobby.
@@dannyeccles1894 I do the same thing with 'gotcha moments' with a friend, since he doesn't know my rules for my armies. I've had moments of, "Okay, before you do that, I have an ability that lets me do XYZ. You okay with that?" just so its a bit fair and I don't feel like I'm taking advantage.
If you are depressed and have the energy to go play games, you have the energy to have a shower.
I love my local gaming store, i love going down just to chat n have a cuppa sometimes but honestly, going down on game night, i always have a trepidation of what that rooms going to smell like when i open the door....
Im really sensative to smell and sometimes its like walking into a wall of nurgles corruption.
Hope Jason gets a massive wake up call
I remember when I was like 12 walking into the harlequin (our local) gamestore for the first time. Good times. One guy had an absolutely insane looking tyranid army. I was like oh zerg looks cool in this game. Lol. The guys convinced me to grab some space wolves. Man that was an epic codex with the guy shooting the orcs on it.
I never play competative but I dont get the 3 strike rule. So after your 3 are up the enemy can just make up rules from the codex and you cant check? People would defos abuse that.
“Kick a bag of wind” loved it 😂
Had a guy at my local store tell me not to ruin painting my titan before i started ...which was weird
Had another bloke genuinely compare playing 40k to commanding battles in real life ....as if real humans have dice rolls or stats to dictate what happens :D
I mean there is some comparison to be made, it is a game where you set up terrain on a battlefield and move your units to attack the enemy while utilising their strengths and weaknesses, luck will also be a factor of any battle will it not?
Last week i have seen a Warhammer commercial on tv.
Cool soooo… “bedtime stories with uncle exile” make it a thing so I can tune out the tinnitus as I fall asleep
when i played 40k i wore muscle tops had my eyebrow pierced, wore gold rings, gold chains, a baseball cap, i always wore cream, cream trachsuit cream muscle top cream baseball cap. and wore about half a bottle of aftershave
I'll have a separate comment about my first experience with a "hated player", but I want to talk about that Jason story first. I feel so bad for the woman in the story! I'm actually a trans woman myself, and thankfully had a wonderful time at the Warhammer Citadel cafe yesterday. Was my first game since 6th edition! Unfortunately not all of my experiences have been like this. Back in 6th I was up against a Tau player who was very much a Simon AND bad winner. He decimated my pewter Sisters with a fire warrior gunline and multiple times said "that went well for me!" He also tried to tell me there's "no way" Adepta Sororitas can wear power armor since they don't have Space Marine modifications. Like, does he forget Inquisitors also exist? Anyway, I'm said to say that was my last 40k game until yesterday. :(
I swear I've got some kind of glandular disorder or something, because I smell like a swampland within about two hours of having a shower and it's honestly videos like this that remind me not to go to clubs or stores for gaming.
It ain't right.
Go get it checked out then man, there's ways of fixing it
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You need to quit worshipping Nurgle, dude.
@@leeboy26 He's just ahead of the game, we all know, deep down inside, Grampa Nurgle wins in the end.
Warhammer 40k is one TV streaming show away from going mainstream
One thing I think exemplifies how it's a hobby more than a sport is how a lot of competitive tournaments award extra points for having a well-painted army, as well as often having specific competition awards for best painted/modelled army.
There's defo gonna be some fun in playing hyper-competitive lists but honestly I don't see why you'd get anything out of that by playing against inexperienced or casual players. You're better off playing equally competitive friends or entering competitions because then both your victories and defeats have some meaning and help you develop as a player.
Young cocky juniors talking down to veteran players or painters, like we've just started the hobby. So annoying!
I want bed time stories with uncle Exile as a series please :d
I think you touched on alot of serious and true points.. At my local Warhammer store, a fairly new store, 40K has a bad reputation as a whole because of poor interactions with a select few people. I've always made it a point to counter the stereo type, and create a fun inviting experience when I'm there to play. It's sad I feel like I have to do that, but I don't think the game itself should suffer because of a couple of knuckle heads.
I would contend there is nothing wrong with building the most overpowered army out there. And nothing wrong with playing it *BUT* people in this hobby (not all, but a lot) do not seem to know how to read a room. If you are able to understand every rule and meta and make unbeatable armies, then you also should know what you *COULD* bring to the table that will make the game more challenging for you (and less terrible for your opponent).
You make armies like "Simon's" when you want to go up against someone with the same level of commitment to winning. Playing them every time against everyone is like giving a 3 year old a hammer; to them everything is now a nail, and no one really has a good time afterwards.
problem is with a overpowered army once you table everyone by turn one or two no one ever wants to play you
so while you can win everyone its not much fun watching everyone else playing while your army is in a box
over the years i've learned the best armies to get are the super weak ones because as soon as you turn up to a store
everyone wants to play you and if you somehow win your bragging rights are out the roof
But playing against weaker opponents is super fun.. For the analytical types, when you play against someone of an equal skill level. The game becomes an exercise in dice rolling rather than an actual game. At higher levels, good players should be able to easily predict what the 'correct' move is for both players, and will be able to predict what the correct follow up is. When you know every move both players are going to make before they make it, it's no longer a game.
The problem goes both ways.
@@darkzim3872 this is why I collect Guard.
If it wasn't for these people we wouldn't have all this excitement and stories 😄
Bad loser guy had the literal Codex Astartes with him
I can admit to being a bit of rules lawyer sometimes, usually if it the opponent is cool and misuses a rule to there detriment il ask to see the book and let them just how more powerful that tactic, rule, strategem etc is than the way they are understanding it
Thank you
“Here is my smell….” 🤮
Far too many in the hobby. Puts off so many people. Somehow worse with women too - Neckbeardettes.
All of what you said should be incorporated into every player. Hands down.
The players that make the most noise about their opponents being waac and cheating are usually the ones cheating. I fought cheaters for years but they were cheating because they were not good players and they stacked advantages and cheated in as many ways as they could like setting up the terrain so it gives no cover before you arrive at their house for the game and extra models but they dont learn that way and they know deep down they are cheats and it still failed most of the time it doesnt usually work unless they are a good player that cheats as thats shady and theres no need. Thats usually limited to tournaments for the most part where its more cut throat.
My first "hated player" experience was against an acquaintance who was a very irritating type of rules lawyer and I haven't wanted to play with him again. I was playing Drukhari in 6e, and had a Venom in the field. It had moved, but the rules said I could fire the top splinter cannon as normal, and then take snap shots with the undermounted one. He kept saying "Yeah, I'll let you get away with that", even after I pointed out the exact page that referenced the rule I was using. Throughout the game he still acted as if I were cheating, and he was "permitting" me to do so. O_O
One of the worse cases of cheating occurred some years ago. Playing Warhammer fantasy, 4 player game. One of the guys playing Chaos seemed to have a character equipped with nothing but dispel scrolls… after the 5th one was used we all started to think something was odd. Now the guy in question only had one character in his army for some reason for about a 2000pt game, but nevertheless it seemed to have more items than legally allowed. When we questioned this the guy flew off the handle, called us all jealous of his army, almost upended the table (fortunately it was a heavy table!), packed up and left in a huge huff. He never came back to the gaming club after that 😅
I had a Succubus and Incubi locked in combat with Centurions and Librarian back when Cents were new and Dark Eldar still had the 5th Edition Codex. One was on his last wound. He physically picked it up and swapped it with a model from the back of the unit. It was probably the twelfth fast one he pulled that game.
I got back into 40k about 20 years ago. I always tried to make gaming against me fun. I have even played kids getting into the hobby and taught them the game. I don't play the game to solely to win but to have fun for me and my opponent. I hate the power players who want to win at all cost. They end up with most people not wanting to play them.
By my estimate you got it right.
Baffles me how baldermort gets so many mentions on other people’s TH-cam channels whilst I can’t even seem to find anyone who’s heard of “Luetin09” even tho Luetin has 4 times as many subs ?
We have Henry Cavill, we just need a great TV show. Got high hopes for the Eisenhorn series
Yep, and watch 40k become mainstream!
i like your attitude mate
“Constant warfare, constant everything going to shit”
Ahh, so you have been to America.
I just happy to play. Also with friends it's fun to do more story based games or just get together talk about the day and thow some dice.
2:20 there’s a real brief mention of “a bunch of weirdos who go there now” and it ended up being a Games Workshop store in the Highlander TV series where Richie was trying to find his mom (one of the early season 1 episodes)
Can we get that though… “Bed Time Stories with Uncle Exile…” do like 40k audio dramas / short stories lol sounds like a good idea
Sun or lose so long as we’re enjoying the game that’s all I need to know at the end of the day.
I’m still pretty new to 40K, mostly just been collecting and painting but watch lots of battle reports and have a rough understanding of how it plays(played a few practice matches against myself to figure most of the rules out)My buddy is just starting out with the space wolves combat patrol, what would be a good army to put up against him when he plays his first game? I have enough to make up combat patrols of death guard, orks, imperial guard and genestealer cults.
I was gonna probably go with deathguard since it’s my favourite faction but I’d wanna make it as fun as possible for him for his first game so any advice would be helpful
Honestly if you know how strong his box is and don't tailor your army to destroy his then you should be fine!
But maybe take a faction you don't know quite so well ? One who you dont take very often just so you're both learning things, understanding a new army and way of play.
Had a friend whip out two Forgeworld Contemptor dreadnought, both equipped with twin volkite weapons on both arms. Keep in mind that they have had quite a few years of experience and I had about 3 matches to my name. He used this and a Redemptor on top of that despite the fact that he knows I don’t have any anti-tank in my Necron army, as I didn’t own any at that point. He wipes half of my army first turn, and by turn three I had a single HQ left that was tucked in a corner. I pretty much just agreed that the match was over.
I can’t be super mad because he is younger than me and was exited to test out his new shiny dreadnoughts, but I was still rather sour about the match, as it was my fourth game playing and I was thrown up against something like that. I had no answer to his army list. Even while typing this I’m a little sour, as the excuse given was “I was stomped on TTS for a year, you will feel the same pain”. I feel like that’s not exactly fair. Now to note, I haven’t won a single match I’ve played, but I at least knew that it was more on the side of “Oh I made a mistake here and I should improve there.” This was more like, “He has something that I *cannot* beat.” Idk. I feel like I am being very petty and a sore loser, but it was mad unfun to fight.
I've been using the same ork green tide dakka list since 5th edition.
Now I only used them once at the start of 9th. But I use to play this one guy for about 3 years now.
I always tell him that I'm going to bring my orks.
And he tries his damness to write a list to stop it. Also does a few sly ones like extra long tables and deployment zones at the short end of the table with extra terrain on his end to guard his chaos marines.
But I either draw with him or beat him every time.
But he's always super salty.
Now I'm quite tactical and understand the game is about being able to use what your list is designed for and pulling it off. Because I've been using the same green tide dakka list for so long I know it inside out.
From this video am I in the wrong for being tactical? Or in the right for beating his salty carry on ?
I refuse to play that guy now btw.
"Here's my smell, let's play" 😄 so funny! I'm a firm believer that GW should create their own deodorant line. In saying that... using a space marine or imperial guard scented deodorant might just compound the issue 😆
They do have scented candles...
@@kirotheavenger60 yeah.. a slaanesh one 😄 imagine the smell of that!
The video should be titled "Why I hate competitive play"
People curb-stomping the other players sounds like a solved problem to me? It's always been that way in, for example, chess. If you haven't studied the game intensely for years, and you walk into a chess club, the first 12 year old you play a casual game against is going to banish you to the shadow realm without even trying. That's why there are handicaps, either in pieces or time, so that players of different strengths can still have fun games together. I remember seeing a chess game on youtube where the weaker player had 10 minutes on their clock, vs the stronger player's 1 minute, and it was an intense game even tho the stronger player still won in the end. So why don't you just give weaker players more points, or whatever?
Everything I hear about how Warhammer 40k is actually played continues to completely vindicate my decision to ignore the game entirely and just paint the models.
'Here is my smell'. Looooooool
Never insult someones paint job. you dont know that persons life and just how much time and ability that person has. There is no reason to be cruel to someone elses work.
lol these types of number cruncher min/max people also exist in online strategy multiplayer communities.
Played since RT and 2nd and so many flashbacks from this vid.
Sore winners, had a guy complaining because his tourney list HADN'T tabled me fast enough, literally told me I was lucky to have a second turn, really sullen about it.
Psychiatric advice, comedy, opinion. Good vid.
To put my 2 cents in for your opening paragraph, I don't think that the thing that is holding Warhammer 40K back from being mainstream is the niche audience, the visceral nature, or the nonsensical lore, it is the physical product itself.
For Dungeons & Dragons all you really need is the book, some paper, some dice, and friends to play with. For Magic the Gathering all you need to do is understand the rules, by pre-made cards, build your deck, and have friends to play with.
For what Hammer 40k, you need to buy two books, spend hundreds of dollars on models, assemble the models, paint the models, find friends to play with for a few years, then buy more models because a New Codex is come out and your army is out of date or not points compliant anymore. It is a matter of emotional and physical economy. You have to be a dedicated fan in order to continue the hobby and it takes an act of will to get into the hobby in the first place! At least that is my opinion.
This is why, when I was playing Commander in Magic, there were certain decks that I had where I would play them once and you'd never see it again, because either I would be the archnemesis from the moment you saw my commander, or it would boil down to me sitting there playing solitaire at you. Now, that's not to say that they weren't powerful decks, they were, and that was the problem. So, I ended up getting the reputation of where I'd combo off and drop out so the rest of the group could keep playing. but I wasn't having fun. So, I don't play magic anymore.
Now I'm trying to learn Warhammer, but every time I think I've got a handle on things and how I want to build my army I find out they've changed the points cost and none of my hundreds of dollars worth of books are accurate anymore and I'm not having fun.
Back in the day, gamers were socially awkward men who had trouble talking to women. Now they're socially awkward men who think they ARE women. Freaks.
the main reason I play kruleboyz and have a 100 hobgrotz is because I learned that if you win all the time no one wants to play you
but playing a army which is not meta all of a sudden everyone wants to play you
and your never sitting on the side waiting for a game
plus even if I somehow manage to win, the opponent still has fun as they wade through the mass deaths of my 100 hobgrots
Was up warhammer world for a 40k tournament years ago,took a balanced nid infantry force for any type of encounter faced off against a marine force of 15 razorbacks and I think it was 2 deverstator squads,needless to say couldn't even get halfway across the table,anoughter guy just had 20 terminators and sat in hard cover.
People like this - sounds like the bullied are now becoming the bullies.
I tried to get a friend into the game before so he built a a small-medium sized army and in his first game someone drop 2 drop pods onto his army killing 90 percent of
It before he even moved my friend didn’t play again
Anybody see that Southpark episode where Stan and token are playing 40k? Put a huge grin on my face.
Two rules all ways stick in my mind have fun it takes two to tango. The other is opponents consent
Yeah that's pretty true I played against blood angels and imperial guard wasn't fun they focused on powerful army I later fought a sister battle and it was better because he didn't want a OP army it was fun fighting them
I've mentioned Mr guard player at my local club a few times in posts. He called me out on a Deathwing army waaaaaay back in 3rd edition when the Dark Angels were first allowed to do it. Made a whole scene about me running an illegal army and taking more points and terminators than I could. Ran through the list and codex and when he said "right ok I guess you can use it then" I informed him I didn't need his permission to play the list and forfeited the game. He was not happy I called him out on his shit.
I always bring all my books with me and i have no issue with people asking to see my rules. I also dont see a problem asking to see the other players Codex if you think a rule seems off.
I disagree with the not allowing people to check rules thing. So many people have outright cheated knowingly against me at this point that if something is fishy or if it's an army I am not familiar with I will ask to check rules from time to time.
Looks like the first guy just had the wrong crowd he played against. Its fun to play competitively when both players are doing so. Just gotta find those people.
When I managed a LGS, we had one guy who would come in and spend hours reading the store copy of the Pathfinder bestiaries out loud to his friend. Talk about annoying...
Honestly I kinda backed away from 40k because all the players talked about it like winning was a must, and I just don’t care enough. It wasn’t until I talked to my games workshop worker I learned it was just to have fun. When I told him I probably wouldn’t be very good since I didn’t have much time he said that’s even better because I can just show up and blow things up without worrying about winning or losing.
Had a Simon at my place too. Sadly he was the guy who first introduced me to warhammer games.
He would take my list and directly tell me if I would win or loose and then simply denied to play.
"Yeah man Im a beginner. How am I supposed to have a good army?" I asked.
He said "You can just copy a list from a forum. they are really good."
I answered that it wouldnt be possible for me to istantly buy an entire army from scratch. I need to rely on the starter boxes for the start.
"Yeah so I wont play you."
I knew the guy for years. we always came along. I didnt know he was like that. we didnt really talk since then.
Sadly my other ecnounters with the hobby were also close to this. so I lost interest in playing. I only have the minis now. Wanted to get back in, but now the prives are just ... ooompf.
I hope nobody minds that I take a lot of pictures. I don't even care that much about winning, I just like seeing the folks I painted "in action"
Been playing on and off since 3e. My win rate is maybe 30% probably closer to 20%. It's not about winning; 40k is not about winning as a setting or narrative. It's about making the enemy pay for every bloody inch of ground they take at the steepest cost you can manage and having fun while doing it.
I got called waac because i like 3 walking hive tyrants. The guy saying this used titanic stuff and had endless advantages and often fielded 5 knights lol. I was too good for them and enjoyed the games so i played them but i dont any more.