Haylett RV.........................You better keep this guy. Top notch salesman Josh!! Tells the customer the truth, not what the customer wants to hear. Job well done sir...........If we weren't so far away I'd defiantly buy from you!!!!!
First honest information I have heard from a sales person. I can not believe how many sales people tell people that their little 1/2 ton can pull heavy long trailers.
Thank you. The way I tend to phrase it "If I see you at the grocery store buying a head of lettuce I don't want to have to duck down the dog food aisle until you're gone."
I find your videos incredibly useful. My wife and I are looking at making a trailer/5th wheel purchase within the next 6 months, and I have been watching your reviews daily for a few weeks. Keep up the good work, it does not go unnoticed.
+admorris11: Thank you greatly! I would hope the extra efforts to which we go for the benefit of our current and prospective customers would grant us the opportunity to earn your business when the timing is right for you and your family. Distance really isn't a problem -- whether it's shipped from here or from the factory to a more local dealer it still had to be shipped. And, aftermarket shipping is commonly less costly than factory shipping, so we can often cut you a much better deal than you would imagine being capable. I've literally parked campers staring at the Pacific Ocean. Distance is truly not a problem.
Thank you so much for this video Josh! You explained this better than I undoubted was doing. My wife enjoyed it and now understands all the safety concerns of the need for different trucks for different styles and sizes of RVs.
I agree with all comments. You are easily the best RV salesman on TH-cam! You are honest, funny, and have great camera work and filming. Another great, informative video!
Nothing in this video that I didn't already know. However with that being said I think you did a GREAT job highlighting the differences to those who are just getting into rv-ing. Two thumbs up
excellent video and honest opinion. I personally believe that there is an RV for any style of live and age, right now being able to camp only 3-4 times a year im stick with my Travel Trailer, that doesn't mean that when I get older and the kids leave the house I dont consider a 5th wheel, probably even a motorcoach. An important point is to remember that you probably are going to spend more money in the truck to pull that monster that even in the 5th wheel. In my opinion 5th wheels are not for camping, they are to live, are you kidding me that I need granite counter tops, a fireplace and a 70" TV while im camping? really? that is a huuuuuge GLAMPING instead of camping, hahahaha
Great video. Been RVing for years and really like videos like this about basic considerations if a new person wants to jump into the world of RVs. We really enjoy your thorough RV reviews too! Keep the videos coming!!!
Great points and after having both types of rigs in the distant past we ended up with a class B plus. The simplest of all designs... smaller yes but we are just 2 small people. No problems backing up, unhitching, or turning. Can park in a normal parking lot or street, great for boondocking.
Great point about the 5th wheel interior steps. We're going to full-time and were sure we would go with a 5er. After spending several days going in and out of rigs shopping for the right one, we've changed to high end travel trailer. I have back issues and hubby has bad knees. Those couple steps don't seem like much until you think about how often you'll be using that restroom when living in it full-time!
Love your videos Josh, your very informative videos helped me decide on a brand new Jayco Jayflight 28bhbe for my family this year. I would like to add to this video with one of the big downfalls I've seen with many 5'rs over the bumper pulls is floor plans for families. You can get a bunkhouse in nearly every size bumper pull to accommodate multiple kids but to get that in a fifth wheel you have to buy MASSIVE! I know the smaller 5'rs have pull out couches and can sleep more than the main bedroom but anyone who has camped with kids knows that bunks are the way to go, especially little kids.
Another great video Josh. Seems like a simple subject, but it can be confusing. Your right about the modern weight-distributing hitches for travel trailers. They have come a long way. Also, for those considering a travel trailer and are worried about the stability of the trailer behind, look at those trailer that spread the axles apart a little or have independent suspension on each wheel. These units will tow better and straighter. And the fifth-wheel trailer requires an expensive hitch, plus the short-bed trucks require a sliding hitch or a side-winder type hitch so you can turn sharp corners without smashing the front of the trailer into the cab of your truck. It all adds up to be a bit expensive.
Thank you Stephen Hurlbut, you just saved me a ton of money. I am looking at truck / trailer combo and realize to be 'flexible' with the truck I will need a longer bed.
I just LOVE the educational videos!!! I'm still learning about the difference between a travel trailer and a 5th wheel. I am also trying to learn towing details, what vehicles can tow what weight etc. Thank you Joshua!!!! :)
Enjoyed the video, I purchased a fifth wheel mainly for the safe superior towability. Being on the road with crazy traffic was a concern for me, stability and maneuverability is what sold me on it.
This is exactly the type of comparison I was looking for. You are very knowledgeable and very well spoken. Thanks Josh ! I getting ready to retire and trying to choose.... A, C, Trailer, 5th wheel !! WOW, so much !! Thank God for TH-cam and people like you !! I wish I could ask you more questions !!!
I'm really close to purchasing an RV. Thanks for this video,it was informative. PS, I've been researching for a while and watching these TH-cam videos and I'm going to buy from you guys. Still trying to work out exactly what I want for my money. You just solved dilemma of fifth wheel or trailer.
Good! Give us a call and allow us a fair opportunity to earn your business when the time is right. Who do you think is going to do a better job of matching you up with an RV you can use and enjoy for a longer period?
Loved the video, great job. This is the second time I have watched it and hope in the future, when you have time that is, you do a more in-depth version. Maybe you can then go into a bit more detail in regards to this differences with some visual references. With he amount of views you have had on this short version and how often, months after, this is watched, I think it would well surpass this view count as well as help us, the viewers even more with the decision. Thanks again and keep up the great work Josh!
Thank you Pete! I have a list of ideas that just seems to be growing. I'm something of a one-man-army in my video work here at the store. My primary focus is always on recording the tours of the products we offer at Haylett RV. I fit these little "spotlight" videos in when and where I am able. Lately... it's been like drinking from a firehose & I just haven't had the time to do any more topical videos.
I know how busy you are by watching all your videos, there is a lot of followers that watch and would agree. We all thank you, these are awesome to watch and being, as my wife says, a couch watcher with a future retirement dreams, great for ideas and future wish lists. Please keep them coming, doing a great job!
Dude, thanks so much for the info. I just came into a used 28' 5th wheel for less than $1,000 and I love it. It is in good enough shape for me, right? I've been stressing over the 5th wheel part, thinking maybe it's old fashioned compared to the 'hitch' trailers. You've really put me at ease with my purchase and I appreciate the peace of mind!
Hey Josh, doing a little late night research. This video seemed closest to my questions but not quite covered. Watching this video I understand all the points of choosing one over the other. But my question is HOW do they tow specifically? Do you need a wider turn to clear climbing the curb with a travel trailer or fifth wheel? Does a fifth wheel have a tighter turning radius? And I assume the fifth wheel doesn’t do as much porpoising and sway. Thank you in advance.
There is zero question about one thing: Fifth wheels tow better than trailers. But that's part of what you're paying for. If I were going to be on the road full time, then I'd be in a fifth wheel. As a casual RVer I cannot personally justify the expense to step into that luxury when I rarely tow and go.
Love you videos! Whether it is a video showing the layouts of different RV's or an informative short video, I love how helpful you are! wish we were closer to you! We would give you our business!
Don't let distance stop you. Wherever it is you live I can basically guarantee we've sent them further! Remember: Whether we ship it to you, or it ships from a MFG to a local dealer IT STILL SHIPS. Local dealers don't get their RVs delivered for free & aftermarket shipping runs less per mile than factory shipping. if you find our videos useful, then at least allow us the opportunity to put together a quote for you. it's only fair after all!
Love the vids! I have a long time burning question. Who makes a deck system that you can collapse and go. Sometimes we spend 2 weeks at one place and possibly 2 months at another. We want a product that gives us 10x10 or so deck space. And ...take it down in far less then an hour.
Hi Josh, I always appreciate your informative videos. It would be helpful if you would do a video on the different countertop materials and what to look for.
I know the answer to most every question about choosing between travel trailer and fifth wheel is "it depends". However; if you have a similarly sized version of each how drastic is the difference in fuel consumption assuming the same truck and long distance hauling? Great videos by the way.
This is an excellent question, but I have absolutely no data for it and simply cannot answer it with any level of accuracy. I would rather shoot you straight when I don't know vs. wing some random figure out there for the sake of "looking smart"
Thanks for the quick reply. It is, however, true that if you purchase a 38-42 ft unit, it is much better as far as towing to have a 5th wheel correct? Travel trailers may not come longer than 38 feet so I may be misinformed.
Trailers tend to top out around that 37ft mark, yes. Fifth Wheels generally tow better due to the way they hitch up. It puts weight above the suspension instead of behind it which is how trucks are really made to handle loads. Basically.. less wiggle.
What about it are you seeking to learn? You've asked a hyper generalized question & I suspect you have a hyper focused intent. You tow with a Class C like you'd tow with anything else. All that will really change is towing ratings (which we include in each individual motorhome video).
Great video. Really struggling with the decision between TT and Fifth Wheel. We have a Heavy Duty 3/4 ton Diesel pickup so can go either way. Looking for a RV no longer than 36 feet with a bedroom slide. Will use on a few long trips out west and annual trips to the south during the winter (lasting a few weeks) and occasional weekend camping. My number one concern is safety and ease of towing. Given the distance of our trips is a fifth wheel the way to go?
If you tow a lot, then you wouldn't regret a FW. A Travel Trailer that size is mostly something people use for parking & rare towing (like Florida/Michigan "Snowbird" towing).
as a salesman, what would you recomment to first time buyers who 1. have 3 kids ages 15, 9, 5 who need their own designated "sleep space" 2. have 2 pets cat & dog 3. want to live in it full time in 4 true seasons i.e. summer heat and winter snow but not neccesarily moving but every 2-3 years 4. must have space for Recreational and 'garage' items (bicycles mainly) Thanks!
This is good info, but I still need to know more about you and your family to really help zero in on "the one." For instance -- right now I don't even know if you're thinking fifth wheel or travel trailer. There are VERY few travel trailers that have the insulation levels you want/need for your sort of use. Generally speaking those are the brands who also have fifth wheel sisters sharing the same name (like Eagle and Roamer). If you're looking at fifth wheels, then the world of opportunities opens up DRAMATICALLY. For your family you'll want space. That means a large RV. A few names that come to mind would be Montana (or the High Country series), Roamer or the 3x by Open Range, larger Cougar models (not an Xlite, but a true Cougar), or perhaps something in the Jayco family from Eagle or North Point (Pinnacle/Designer by Jayco don't make layouts fit for you). Also: You'll want a 3/4 HD pickup minimum for a rig like I've described above (or simply pay to have it transported every 2-3 years and save a TON of money).
Joshua Winters, yes we would more than likely look into 5th wheel... had even considered a toy hauler, custom showhauler or spacecraft. we are really just starting our search.
The trick with toy haulers is insulating the rear room. Generally speaking a toy hauler large enough to fit your family is probably going to have a fueling station standard by that point. You cannot fully enclose and insulate the garage area of a toy hauler like the living quarters due to fire code (can't encase a fuel cell due to the potential of explosive fume buildup). If you see a brand that's done this, then run / don't walk / away from it. It's all sorts of illegal and dangerous. The flip side: MOST of the big suckers are also going to have SOME sort of insulating method in their garage floors to help compensate. Won't match the living quarter, but it may not be awful. It'll take some research. Vengeance/Seismic may suit you there. Also keep in mind: No matter what brand you purchase or how it's built I seriously recommend skirting the RV for winter use. Providing a windbreak to add an extra layer of protection to everything is MASSIVE and all-but-required for true extended use cold camping. There's a reason mobile home skirting is a business in and of itself.
Apologies, but I'm having difficulty following your question "RV or Travel Trailer" -- Travel Trailers are RVs. Are you asking if traveling in a motorhome is better than with a trailer? There's no answer to that. It's personal and subjective. I've done a video similar to this on towable vs. motorized RVs you may find useful.
Good video! I think that if a person wants as close to a fifth wheel as you close can get without being a fifth wheel that would be the Jayco Eagle travel TT. I just bought a new F150 and forgot to check the towing weight. I was going to get a hybrid but now I'm getting a pop up. Before I spend 30 to 60 k for TT I need to find out if my wife can handle camping, since she is disabled. Thanks for the video's. Maybe you can do a good video on which TT is best for the Handicapped.
I agree on the Eagle Trailers. They are truly a "flat deck fifth wheel." Handi-camping (which I just came up with and love that phrase) is tough. Most RVs are just not made for Handi-campers. A toy hauler is really about as good as it gets without SERIOUS modifications.
Good video josh as always. I'm about 2 year's from thinking about getting a 5th wheel toy huler dry camping . trailer is 10,344 empty 14,000 max. would like to also get a Razer 1000 5 seater. where a family of 6 . what kinda truck would I need to pull live in cal. Any help would be appreciated thanks.
There are so many variables here unanswered that I can only give general advisory. I would recommend nothing less than a 1-ton SRW, and you may consider dually. When you get closer give us a call and we can zero in a little better.
Of course a larger trailer makes maneuvering more challenging. This is also partially a matter of personal comfort/preference and may vary greatly based on which park you plan to visit. My take I suppose is to first research the place you intend to visit before making any purchases.
Looking at purchasing a 5th wheel in the next year or so and would like to know if head room plays any factor in a 5th wheel vs a travel trailer? I know that having plenty of headroom just makes a home feel bigger. Is that true of a 5th wheel coach?
maybe you already have a video for this question, if so you can just refer me to it. I've been 5th Wheeling with family recreationally for around 15 years. I've always bought 30 to 40 thousand dollar range rigs. one thing I've noticed is everything in that price range is iffy on quality. even my favorite cougar. my uncle bought a cougar similar to mine and it's been an absolute nightmare. even keystone has been horrible to deal with even up to them pretty much saying thier quality isn't that great. BUT.. .. that's another story, my point in bringing that up is in a my research to help him I've noticed these less expensive rigs seem to have quality issues. so as I'm getting older and the kids are leaving. I'm going to be looking for a better, higher end, more quality rig. one that can be used more than the 8 to 10 times a year like now. so, if you don't have a video, I would like to see maybe the difference in the next step up, maybe your suggested brands for the "next level". me personally now own a 2015 301SAB and absolutely love this rig to death. unlike my uncle's who's was built in a Friday, mine seems to have been built on a happy employee day..😀 . so..... I hope that makes some sense. I love your videos! way good info!!
This is an excellent post, Ken, and one I'm sure most people would've simply deleted/ignored. I prefer to jump into things head-on, however. I've left a video link at the bottom that is somewhat on your topic, though from the sounds of things your Uncle has experience what is beyond reasonable. Here's what I know for certain after many years and seeing tens of thousands of RVs both here for sale as well as in for service: None of them are perfect, nor will I ever be so foolish as to suggest something along those lines. RVs are built by hand, quickly, and with an amazingly obscene balancing act of factors involved. Generally speaking the majority are just fine. Typically, if warranty service is required, then it tends to be small items that are easily remedied. I will not shy away from the fact that this is not always the case and, in rare instances, entire RV swaps have been performed (though I've only personally witnessed this one time). I've seen everything from the most basic of trailers with the lowest of price tags and what reads on paper as the "cheapest" construction perform seemingly flawlessly. And I've seen it happen many, many times. I've also seen the biggest, baddest, most expensive fifth wheels and motorhomes absolutely riddled with problems. Thankfully, this is exceptionally rare. I cannot make promises for one or another. I can offer suggestions as to brands that have earned my personal confidence. Ironically, Cougar (and generally speaking Keystone in general) are among those brands. Your experience has not been the same as my own, however -- which is an excellent example of why choosing a quality dealership is just as important as choosing a quality brand. I sincerely hope any customer's purchase from any dealership (ours or otherwise) enjoys their purchase. But, if a service need arises, then I do want to be in a position where I can support our clients. At the end of the day I feel our job begins with education and ends with service. We need to assist you in understanding the benefits AND DRAWBACKS of a purchase. We like to talk about the former, but rarely is the latter given its due. A cornerstone of our business philosophy here at Haylett RV is "our job isn't done until you *stay* satisfied." That means the real work BEGINS at the time of purchase. Having a dealership that works for you is most likely the number one factor influencing your enjoyment of your RV. There is a measure of responsibility on a consumer's behalf as well -- this is another item rarely discussed. As a whole our society is one of pain or pleasure with little found between. If you really think about it purchasing an RV is not unlike any other purchase. I like to use a simple visit to a local restaurant as an easy parallel as it's something we've all experienced. You're greeted by the host/hostess. You might say that's me in many cases. You're given options and have questions answered by your server. That's not unlike a sales person. There's a kitchen that prepares your meal. We would call this our service department. The kitchen prepares food from a supplier. That's our MFGs. And you have a manager there keeping a watchful eye over things. We have those in our business too naturally :) Typically, if ANY ONE of those people makes the slightest of missteps, then a consumer walks away saying "Don't eat at that place -- They're TERRIBLE." When in reality the vast majority of the experience was likely perfectly pleasurable. I see the same happen in our business. A consumer may purchase the highest level luxury piece among our offerings. Something small like a piece of slide fascia coming loose brings them back to our shop. The consumer usually says something like "This thing's a piece of junk." My response is always the same: I would disagree. You have a fantastic RV. It simply has a challenge -- one that we're going to get corrected for you. Understanding the difference between the cook, the server, the supplier, etc is all important. And of equal importance is a consumer allowing a business the opportunity to correct and error. Actions do speak louder than words. I fully understand and respect the anxiety someone feels when things DON'T go as planned. And I know that in the past I have not always conducted myself in a way that makes me proud in such instances. But, after spending some time in a service-related industry like this I have tempered my quick-to-fire nature considerably and found myself vastly more satisfied with my experiences in just about every walk of life. There are certainly cases in which consumers are 110% correct in their disappointment, but those are far fewer than any "review website" would reflect. Yelp for instance "does not involve itself in factual disputes." That's a kind way of saying "we really don't care if it's true or not." So once again, we circle back to the fact that our job is to educate you. Your job is to learn & form opinions. Our job is then to support you in those opinions to the best of our ability. This is a long answer, but one I feel you can at least respect even if you happen to disagree with it. We would love the opportunity to work with you at Haylett RV and hope to hear from you when the time is right. Setting Expectations for an RV Purchase: th-cam.com/video/9wPVVm2Czi4/w-d-xo.html
Haylett RV . that was an awesome response!!! yes I do agree with everything you said there totally. like I said I absolutely love my cougar. I think my uncle just got one of the few that just can't seem to stay together. but that does answer my question that if the mute expensive rigs some how have higher quality rating. I think your absolutely right. it's amazing that they go together mostly working as it is! so, sounds like you and I both agree keystone is a pretty good reliable reputable company. that is good to know. this helps in my endeavor for a "retirement" rig. thank you so much for the thoughtful detailed response.
Every Truck/Trailer/Hitch combination is like a fingerprint. I'd really have to see your vehicle and what you're looking at for an RV to even begin to try to answer this for you. It's tricky like that.
Hmm, my Dutchman 30 ft trailer weighs about 8,100 dry while our new 35 ft Artic Wolf fifthwheel weight about 8,300 dry. Seems to me another 5 feet on the Dutchman would make it heavier than my fifth wheel.
Great video. So if I've got the right size truck, will be traveling a lot, and parking on site a 5th wheel would be best correct? Within that 5th wheel category a fridge that is gas/elec would be best then? Also, is it possible to have a custom floor plan? Thank you for all the great info and the great delivery of it.
"Best" is subjective to YOUR preferences, but in my own personal view what you're describing a fifth wheel makes sense. With the type of travel you're describing a gas/elec fridge seems the most logical solution to me, but again -- this is YOUR investment and I encourage you to make your own decisions. There are advantages both ways, but gas/elec seems best for road use. Custom Floor plan: Not from any major MFG. You have no idea the level of time, labor, engineering involved in what you're describing. There are custom builders. I'd estimate they'd start at $250k and go up from there.
Hey Josh, I need your expert advise. Im 42, My lady and I are going back and forth on this subject. Were gonna be full timing in a few years and been watching your videos which help tremendously. If YOU were to full time across the country as a couple, would you start out with a smaller pull behind then upgrade after a year or so to a 5th wheel, or would you just get the 5th wheel and call it a day? I don't wanna go all out and a year or so later settle in a home again and lose all that money. Then again I don't want to regret not having the 5th wheel comfort too. Plus the decision will be a deciding factory on my tow vehicle as well. Whats your expert opinion sir? Thanks! This video helps a lot too.
Start here: th-cam.com/video/0K9YTws8dC0/w-d-xo.html. In short: Don't buy something just to swap it in a year. If I had plans for extended cross-country traveling, then I would be in a 30ish foot FW pulling with a 3/4 truck capable of handling elevations (aka one able to compensate for thinner air at elevation).
Excellent question. There are two primary reason. First, the hitch weight of the fifth wheel is directly above the suspension of the truck. This is how trucks are designed to handle weight rather than being the tail. Secondly, the change in pivot point dampens the effect/feeling of sway/wiggle. You experience a most true/straight towing experience with less side-to-side push from the RV.
Trading my trailer for a fifth wheel because it’s easier to set up without a lot of bending over and hauling the 20 pound hitch and weight distribution equipment all the time. Between being easier to tow and set up I think the fifth wheel is easier for me, don’t get me wrong I have really enjoyed my trailer but at my age the fifth wheel just seems to me to be easier to tow and set up.
I like the fifth wheels but i do not like the truck bed hitch as i have dirt bike and ATV and need that room . I don’t go camping without my power toys! I go hiking about 50 yards then completely bored da hey look at the tree and squirrels Whoopi dooooo
Generally speaking: Yes. In fact, RV transport companies REQUIRE their drivers have Helper Springs added to their suspension system for load/safety reasons. Airbag systems are also highly popular. You can actually get some REALLY need airbag systems. My favorite is one that has a wireless remote control you keep in the dash of your truck and an on-board compressor. You can increase/decrease the air pressure in your suspension on the fly for optimal riding/handling conditions.
BIG JOE 245 if you do modify your suspension for a bigger load, make sure you make the necessary modifications to the driveline to power the larger load. With most two wheel drive vehicles, you may only need to change out your rear differential gears. Certainly check your owners manual for you current configuration of engine, transmission, cooler and axle ratio (rear differential ring and pinion gears). My Ram 3500 tows 12,700 lb with the 3.73 axle, but will tow almost 18,000 lb with the 4.10 axle. One other point to note is most HD trucks are over engineered by about 25% to allow for a cushion because the manufacturer knows if they put a 15,000 lb tow rating on their vehicle, that's the exact weight load some will tow with it, but don't count on that for normal use. Obviously, if your tow vehicle is still under warranty, certain driveline or suspension modifications may void the warranty. Also, if you do beef up the suspension for a larger load, make sure you do the same for your tires.
they both lose there price value when you take it off the lot, but its the fifth wheel that is better built , and all you need is a 250 with air bags, and the same with any truck, looked after.
Haylett RV.........................You better keep this guy. Top notch salesman Josh!! Tells the customer the truth, not what the customer wants to hear. Job well done sir...........If we weren't so far away I'd defiantly buy from you!!!!!
Thank you! No such thing as too far away to work with Haylett RV!
First honest information I have heard from a sales person. I can not believe how many sales people tell people that their little 1/2 ton can pull heavy long trailers.
Thank you. The way I tend to phrase it "If I see you at the grocery store buying a head of lettuce I don't want to have to duck down the dog food aisle until you're gone."
I find your videos incredibly useful. My wife and I are looking at making a trailer/5th wheel purchase within the next 6 months, and I have been watching your reviews daily for a few weeks. Keep up the good work, it does not go unnoticed.
+admorris11: Thank you greatly! I would hope the extra efforts to which we go for the benefit of our current and prospective customers would grant us the opportunity to earn your business when the timing is right for you and your family. Distance really isn't a problem -- whether it's shipped from here or from the factory to a more local dealer it still had to be shipped. And, aftermarket shipping is commonly less costly than factory shipping, so we can often cut you a much better deal than you would imagine being capable.
I've literally parked campers staring at the Pacific Ocean. Distance is truly not a problem.
You sound like an honest salesman if such a thing still exists.
a truly impartial and honest interpretation of the RV options. I would buy from this guy.
Thanks for "Getting it." Remember -- they're on wheels. We can get them from here to there :)
Great info, great salesman, we appreciate your honesty !
Thank you so much for this video Josh! You explained this better than I undoubted was doing. My wife enjoyed it and now understands all the safety concerns of the need for different trucks for different styles and sizes of RVs.
Glad it was helpful!
I agree with all comments. You are easily the best RV salesman on TH-cam! You are honest, funny, and have great camera work and filming. Another great, informative video!
Nothing in this video that I didn't already know. However with that being said I think you did a GREAT job highlighting the differences to those who are just getting into rv-ing. Two thumbs up
excellent video and honest opinion. I personally believe that there is an RV for any style of live and age, right now being able to camp only 3-4 times a year im stick with my Travel Trailer, that doesn't mean that when I get older and the kids leave the house I dont consider a 5th wheel, probably even a motorcoach. An important point is to remember that you probably are going to spend more money in the truck to pull that monster that even in the 5th wheel. In my opinion 5th wheels are not for camping, they are to live, are you kidding me that I need granite counter tops, a fireplace and a 70" TV while im camping? really? that is a huuuuuge GLAMPING instead of camping, hahahaha
Great video. Been RVing for years and really like videos like this about basic considerations if a new person wants to jump into the world of RVs. We really enjoy your thorough RV reviews too! Keep the videos coming!!!
Great points and after having both types of rigs in the distant past we ended up with a class B plus. The simplest of all designs... smaller yes but we are just 2 small people. No problems backing up, unhitching, or turning. Can park in a normal parking lot or street, great for boondocking.
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Great point about the 5th wheel interior steps. We're going to full-time and were sure we would go with a 5er. After spending several days going in and out of rigs shopping for the right one, we've changed to high end travel trailer. I have back issues and hubby has bad knees. Those couple steps don't seem like much until you think about how often you'll be using that restroom when living in it full-time!
Camping with the kids for the next 10 years I think I did the right thing with my Springdale 24bhwe! It's a great trailer !
Love your videos Josh, your very informative videos helped me decide on a brand new Jayco Jayflight 28bhbe for my family this year. I would like to add to this video with one of the big downfalls I've seen with many 5'rs over the bumper pulls is floor plans for families. You can get a bunkhouse in nearly every size bumper pull to accommodate multiple kids but to get that in a fifth wheel you have to buy MASSIVE! I know the smaller 5'rs have pull out couches and can sleep more than the main bedroom but anyone who has camped with kids knows that bunks are the way to go, especially little kids.
Another great video Josh. Seems like a simple subject, but it can be confusing. Your right about the modern weight-distributing hitches for travel trailers. They have come a long way. Also, for those considering a travel trailer and are worried about the stability of the trailer behind, look at those trailer that spread the axles apart a little or have independent suspension on each wheel. These units will tow better and straighter. And the fifth-wheel trailer requires an expensive hitch, plus the short-bed trucks require a sliding hitch or a side-winder type hitch so you can turn sharp corners without smashing the front of the trailer into the cab of your truck. It all adds up to be a bit expensive.
Thank you Stephen Hurlbut, you just saved me a ton of money. I am looking at truck / trailer combo and realize to be 'flexible' with the truck I will need a longer bed.
I just LOVE the educational videos!!! I'm still learning about the difference between a travel trailer and a 5th wheel. I am also trying to learn towing details, what vehicles can tow what weight etc. Thank you Joshua!!!! :)
Enjoyed the video, I purchased a fifth wheel mainly for the safe superior towability. Being on the road with crazy traffic was a concern for me, stability and maneuverability is what sold me on it.
We bought our first RV, a Jayco popup, then a travel trailer from you guys. Popup was back in 1995, TT a few years later.
That's amazing! That was VERY early in our RV sales days. You'd never even recognize our facility or grounds from then to now!
This is exactly the type of comparison I was looking for. You are very knowledgeable and very well spoken. Thanks Josh ! I getting ready to retire and trying to choose.... A, C, Trailer, 5th wheel !! WOW, so much !! Thank God for TH-cam and people like you !! I wish I could ask you more questions !!!
Why can't you ask us more questions?
Thanks for your honesty! Watch all the time
Most informative video I've seen so far.
Wow, thank you :)
I have owned 3 travel trailers now I have my first 5th wheel. I think it would be hard for me to go back to a bumper pull again.
I'm really close to purchasing an RV. Thanks for this video,it was informative. PS, I've been researching for a while and watching these TH-cam videos and I'm going to buy from you guys. Still trying to work out exactly what I want for my money. You just solved dilemma of fifth wheel or trailer.
so what did you decide and why, Ronn Thomason?
me too, Josh does an awesome job. Full timing for me, 5th Wheel all the way
Well, you sure taught me a lot more than the 3 sales guys I've seen. This was a great video.
Good! Give us a call and allow us a fair opportunity to earn your business when the time is right. Who do you think is going to do a better job of matching you up with an RV you can use and enjoy for a longer period?
You’re awesome!! I love all your honest information! Thank you!!
You are so welcome!
Loved the video, great job. This is the second time I have watched it and hope in the future, when you have time that is, you do a more in-depth version. Maybe you can then go into a bit more detail in regards to this differences with some visual references.
With he amount of views you have had on this short version and how often, months after, this is watched, I think it would well surpass this view count as well as help us, the viewers even more with the decision.
Thanks again and keep up the great work Josh!
Thank you Pete! I have a list of ideas that just seems to be growing. I'm something of a one-man-army in my video work here at the store. My primary focus is always on recording the tours of the products we offer at Haylett RV. I fit these little "spotlight" videos in when and where I am able.
Lately... it's been like drinking from a firehose & I just haven't had the time to do any more topical videos.
I know how busy you are by watching all your videos, there is a lot of followers that watch and would agree. We all thank you, these are awesome to watch and being, as my wife says, a couch watcher with a future retirement dreams, great for ideas and future wish lists.
Please keep them coming, doing a great job!
Well done sir thanks for the valuable info and unbiased opinions! Helped me out a lot
Dude, thanks so much for the info. I just came into a used 28' 5th wheel for less than $1,000 and I love it. It is in good enough shape for me, right? I've been stressing over the 5th wheel part, thinking maybe it's old fashioned compared to the 'hitch' trailers. You've really put me at ease with my purchase and I appreciate the peace of mind!
My pleasure :)
Hey Josh, doing a little late night research. This video seemed closest to my questions but not quite covered. Watching this video I understand all the points of choosing one over the other. But my question is HOW do they tow specifically? Do you need a wider turn to clear climbing the curb with a travel trailer or fifth wheel? Does a fifth wheel have a tighter turning radius? And I assume the fifth wheel doesn’t do as much porpoising and sway.
Thank you in advance.
There is zero question about one thing: Fifth wheels tow better than trailers. But that's part of what you're paying for. If I were going to be on the road full time, then I'd be in a fifth wheel.
As a casual RVer I cannot personally justify the expense to step into that luxury when I rarely tow and go.
Love you videos! Whether it is a video showing the layouts of different RV's or an informative short video, I love how helpful you are! wish we were closer to you! We would give you our business!
Don't let distance stop you. Wherever it is you live I can basically guarantee we've sent them further!
Remember: Whether we ship it to you, or it ships from a MFG to a local dealer IT STILL SHIPS. Local dealers don't get their RVs delivered for free & aftermarket shipping runs less per mile than factory shipping. if you find our videos useful, then at least allow us the opportunity to put together a quote for you. it's only fair after all!
Love the vids! I have a long time burning question. Who makes a deck system that you can collapse and go. Sometimes we spend 2 weeks at one place and possibly 2 months at another. We want a product that gives us 10x10 or so deck space. And ...take it down in far less then an hour.
I guess I'm not really familiar with a supplier for what you're describing
Guess I just assumed you may know of a deck system that opens up and closes down for easy travel.. like an EZ-up.
thank you for the information. It helped a lot for a guys trying to retire traveling with rv or trailer
Great video. Thx J.
I want to stick with the fifth wheel. Because it's easier to tell and is easier to hook up.
Hi Josh, I always appreciate your informative videos. It would be helpful if you would do a video on the different countertop materials and what to look for.
I *think* I have one coming up, but I've done so many videos this week alone that it's all a blur.
I know the answer to most every question about choosing between travel trailer and fifth wheel is "it depends". However; if you have a similarly sized version of each how drastic is the difference in fuel consumption assuming the same truck and long distance hauling? Great videos by the way.
This is an excellent question, but I have absolutely no data for it and simply cannot answer it with any level of accuracy. I would rather shoot you straight when I don't know vs. wing some random figure out there for the sake of "looking smart"
Haylett RV honest information is appreciated. Thanks
A great presentation. Thanks a lot.
Outstanding explanation
What do you recommend for first time buyer? I have 1/2 ton ram and I never drove with a trailer before.
Thanks for the quick reply. It is, however, true that if you purchase a 38-42 ft unit, it is much better as far as towing to have a 5th wheel correct? Travel trailers may not come longer than 38 feet so I may be misinformed.
Trailers tend to top out around that 37ft mark, yes.
Fifth Wheels generally tow better due to the way they hitch up. It puts weight above the suspension instead of behind it which is how trucks are really made to handle loads.
Basically.. less wiggle.
Can you do a video on class C towing? Specifically the smaller ones like the View or Melbourne. Thank you for all your info!
What about it are you seeking to learn? You've asked a hyper generalized question & I suspect you have a hyper focused intent.
You tow with a Class C like you'd tow with anything else. All that will really change is towing ratings (which we include in each individual motorhome video).
Great video. Really struggling with the decision between TT and Fifth Wheel. We have a Heavy Duty 3/4 ton Diesel pickup so can go either way. Looking for a RV no longer than 36 feet with a bedroom slide. Will use on a few long trips out west and annual trips to the south during the winter (lasting a few weeks) and occasional weekend camping. My number one concern is safety and ease of towing. Given the distance of our trips is a fifth wheel the way to go?
If you tow a lot, then you wouldn't regret a FW. A Travel Trailer that size is mostly something people use for parking & rare towing (like Florida/Michigan "Snowbird" towing).
Thank you.
as a salesman, what would you recomment to first time buyers who
1. have 3 kids ages 15, 9, 5 who need their own designated "sleep space"
2. have 2 pets cat & dog
3. want to live in it full time in 4 true seasons i.e. summer heat and winter snow but not neccesarily moving but every 2-3 years
4. must have space for Recreational and 'garage' items (bicycles mainly)
Thanks!
This is good info, but I still need to know more about you and your family to really help zero in on "the one." For instance -- right now I don't even know if you're thinking fifth wheel or travel trailer.
There are VERY few travel trailers that have the insulation levels you want/need for your sort of use. Generally speaking those are the brands who also have fifth wheel sisters sharing the same name (like Eagle and Roamer).
If you're looking at fifth wheels, then the world of opportunities opens up DRAMATICALLY.
For your family you'll want space. That means a large RV. A few names that come to mind would be Montana (or the High Country series), Roamer or the 3x by Open Range, larger Cougar models (not an Xlite, but a true Cougar), or perhaps something in the Jayco family from Eagle or North Point (Pinnacle/Designer by Jayco don't make layouts fit for you).
Also: You'll want a 3/4 HD pickup minimum for a rig like I've described above (or simply pay to have it transported every 2-3 years and save a TON of money).
Joshua Winters, yes we would more than likely look into 5th wheel... had even considered a toy hauler, custom showhauler or spacecraft. we are really just starting our search.
The trick with toy haulers is insulating the rear room. Generally speaking a toy hauler large enough to fit your family is probably going to have a fueling station standard by that point. You cannot fully enclose and insulate the garage area of a toy hauler like the living quarters due to fire code (can't encase a fuel cell due to the potential of explosive fume buildup).
If you see a brand that's done this, then run / don't walk / away from it. It's all sorts of illegal and dangerous.
The flip side: MOST of the big suckers are also going to have SOME sort of insulating method in their garage floors to help compensate. Won't match the living quarter, but it may not be awful. It'll take some research. Vengeance/Seismic may suit you there.
Also keep in mind: No matter what brand you purchase or how it's built I seriously recommend skirting the RV for winter use. Providing a windbreak to add an extra layer of protection to everything is MASSIVE and all-but-required for true extended use cold camping.
There's a reason mobile home skirting is a business in and of itself.
Thanks for all the info! Youve given us a lot to think about!
Good stuff. Informative and straight to the point. Thank you
Great explanation. Thank you.
Thank u for ur Video... it is really useful..
what do u think I have small family.. we like to travel .. from ur experience is rv better or trailer..
Apologies, but I'm having difficulty following your question "RV or Travel Trailer" -- Travel Trailers are RVs.
Are you asking if traveling in a motorhome is better than with a trailer?
There's no answer to that. It's personal and subjective. I've done a video similar to this on towable vs. motorized RVs you may find useful.
You are awesome Josh! Thanks
By the way...great info again, Josh. Thanks!
great overview!
Good video! I think that if a person wants as close to a fifth wheel as you close can get without being a fifth wheel that would be the Jayco Eagle travel TT. I just bought a new F150 and forgot to check the towing weight. I was going to get a hybrid but now I'm getting a pop up. Before I spend 30 to 60 k for TT I need to find out if my wife can handle camping, since she is disabled. Thanks for the video's. Maybe you can do a good video on which TT is best for the Handicapped.
I agree on the Eagle Trailers. They are truly a "flat deck fifth wheel."
Handi-camping (which I just came up with and love that phrase) is tough. Most RVs are just not made for Handi-campers. A toy hauler is really about as good as it gets without SERIOUS modifications.
Tal Williams good luck to you and your wife.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Plenty more handy info in our channel and among our team's experience for you! :)
Good video josh as always. I'm about 2 year's from thinking about getting a 5th wheel toy huler dry camping . trailer is 10,344 empty 14,000 max. would like to also get a Razer 1000 5 seater. where a family of 6 . what kinda truck would I need to pull live in cal. Any help would be appreciated thanks.
There are so many variables here unanswered that I can only give general advisory. I would recommend nothing less than a 1-ton SRW, and you may consider dually. When you get closer give us a call and we can zero in a little better.
Josh, what about camper size affecting your possibility of camping in National Parks? What's your take on this?
Of course a larger trailer makes maneuvering more challenging. This is also partially a matter of personal comfort/preference and may vary greatly based on which park you plan to visit.
My take I suppose is to first research the place you intend to visit before making any purchases.
Outstanding video!
Looking at purchasing a 5th wheel in the next year or so and would like to know if head room plays any factor in a 5th wheel vs a travel trailer? I know that having plenty of headroom just makes a home feel bigger. Is that true of a 5th wheel coach?
More space always looks/feels nicer. It's a personal/subjective item however.
maybe you already have a video for this question, if so you can just refer me to it. I've been 5th Wheeling with family recreationally for around 15 years. I've always bought 30 to 40 thousand dollar range rigs. one thing I've noticed is everything in that price range is iffy on quality. even my favorite cougar. my uncle bought a cougar similar to mine and it's been an absolute nightmare. even keystone has been horrible to deal with even up to them pretty much saying thier quality isn't that great. BUT.. .. that's another story, my point in bringing that up is in a my research to help him I've noticed these less expensive rigs seem to have quality issues. so as I'm getting older and the kids are leaving. I'm going to be looking for a better, higher end, more quality rig. one that can be used more than the 8 to 10 times a year like now. so, if you don't have a video, I would like to see maybe the difference in the next step up, maybe your suggested brands for the "next level". me personally now own a 2015 301SAB and absolutely love this rig to death. unlike my uncle's who's was built in a Friday, mine seems to have been built on a happy employee day..😀 . so..... I hope that makes some sense. I love your videos! way good info!!
This is an excellent post, Ken, and one I'm sure most people would've simply deleted/ignored. I prefer to jump into things head-on, however. I've left a video link at the bottom that is somewhat on your topic, though from the sounds of things your Uncle has experience what is beyond reasonable.
Here's what I know for certain after many years and seeing tens of thousands of RVs both here for sale as well as in for service: None of them are perfect, nor will I ever be so foolish as to suggest something along those lines.
RVs are built by hand, quickly, and with an amazingly obscene balancing act of factors involved. Generally speaking the majority are just fine. Typically, if warranty service is required, then it tends to be small items that are easily remedied. I will not shy away from the fact that this is not always the case and, in rare instances, entire RV swaps have been performed (though I've only personally witnessed this one time).
I've seen everything from the most basic of trailers with the lowest of price tags and what reads on paper as the "cheapest" construction perform seemingly flawlessly. And I've seen it happen many, many times.
I've also seen the biggest, baddest, most expensive fifth wheels and motorhomes absolutely riddled with problems. Thankfully, this is exceptionally rare.
I cannot make promises for one or another. I can offer suggestions as to brands that have earned my personal confidence. Ironically, Cougar (and generally speaking Keystone in general) are among those brands. Your experience has not been the same as my own, however -- which is an excellent example of why choosing a quality dealership is just as important as choosing a quality brand.
I sincerely hope any customer's purchase from any dealership (ours or otherwise) enjoys their purchase. But, if a service need arises, then I do want to be in a position where I can support our clients.
At the end of the day I feel our job begins with education and ends with service. We need to assist you in understanding the benefits AND DRAWBACKS of a purchase. We like to talk about the former, but rarely is the latter given its due. A cornerstone of our business philosophy here at Haylett RV is "our job isn't done until you *stay* satisfied." That means the real work BEGINS at the time of purchase. Having a dealership that works for you is most likely the number one factor influencing your enjoyment of your RV.
There is a measure of responsibility on a consumer's behalf as well -- this is another item rarely discussed. As a whole our society is one of pain or pleasure with little found between. If you really think about it purchasing an RV is not unlike any other purchase. I like to use a simple visit to a local restaurant as an easy parallel as it's something we've all experienced.
You're greeted by the host/hostess. You might say that's me in many cases.
You're given options and have questions answered by your server. That's not unlike a sales person.
There's a kitchen that prepares your meal. We would call this our service department.
The kitchen prepares food from a supplier. That's our MFGs.
And you have a manager there keeping a watchful eye over things. We have those in our business too naturally :)
Typically, if ANY ONE of those people makes the slightest of missteps, then a consumer walks away saying "Don't eat at that place -- They're TERRIBLE." When in reality the vast majority of the experience was likely perfectly pleasurable.
I see the same happen in our business. A consumer may purchase the highest level luxury piece among our offerings. Something small like a piece of slide fascia coming loose brings them back to our shop. The consumer usually says something like "This thing's a piece of junk." My response is always the same: I would disagree. You have a fantastic RV. It simply has a challenge -- one that we're going to get corrected for you.
Understanding the difference between the cook, the server, the supplier, etc is all important. And of equal importance is a consumer allowing a business the opportunity to correct and error. Actions do speak louder than words.
I fully understand and respect the anxiety someone feels when things DON'T go as planned. And I know that in the past I have not always conducted myself in a way that makes me proud in such instances. But, after spending some time in a service-related industry like this I have tempered my quick-to-fire nature considerably and found myself vastly more satisfied with my experiences in just about every walk of life.
There are certainly cases in which consumers are 110% correct in their disappointment, but those are far fewer than any "review website" would reflect. Yelp for instance "does not involve itself in factual disputes." That's a kind way of saying "we really don't care if it's true or not."
So once again, we circle back to the fact that our job is to educate you. Your job is to learn & form opinions. Our job is then to support you in those opinions to the best of our ability.
This is a long answer, but one I feel you can at least respect even if you happen to disagree with it. We would love the opportunity to work with you at Haylett RV and hope to hear from you when the time is right.
Setting Expectations for an RV Purchase: th-cam.com/video/9wPVVm2Czi4/w-d-xo.html
Haylett RV . that was an awesome response!!! yes I do agree with everything you said there totally. like I said I absolutely love my cougar. I think my uncle just got one of the few that just can't seem to stay together. but that does answer my question that if the mute expensive rigs some how have higher quality rating. I think your absolutely right. it's amazing that they go together mostly working as it is! so, sounds like you and I both agree keystone is a pretty good reliable reputable company. that is good to know. this helps in my endeavor for a "retirement" rig. thank you so much for the thoughtful detailed response.
Haylett RV LOVED the suggested clip!! that should be shown to every purchaser! well said!
how do 5th wheels do when a truck has a level kit? 4.5 inches higher than your average f250 truck bed. I'm down sizing the tires to 33" from a 35".
Every Truck/Trailer/Hitch combination is like a fingerprint. I'd really have to see your vehicle and what you're looking at for an RV to even begin to try to answer this for you. It's tricky like that.
Great video! thank you for info. now i know what to look into for RV.
Hmm, my Dutchman 30 ft trailer weighs about 8,100 dry while our new 35 ft Artic Wolf fifthwheel weight about 8,300 dry. Seems to me another 5 feet on the Dutchman would make it heavier than my fifth wheel.
Great video. So if I've got the right size truck, will be traveling a lot, and parking on site a 5th wheel would be best correct? Within that 5th wheel category a fridge that is gas/elec would be best then? Also, is it possible to have a custom floor plan? Thank you for all the great info and the great delivery of it.
"Best" is subjective to YOUR preferences, but in my own personal view what you're describing a fifth wheel makes sense.
With the type of travel you're describing a gas/elec fridge seems the most logical solution to me, but again -- this is YOUR investment and I encourage you to make your own decisions. There are advantages both ways, but gas/elec seems best for road use.
Custom Floor plan: Not from any major MFG. You have no idea the level of time, labor, engineering involved in what you're describing. There are custom builders. I'd estimate they'd start at $250k and go up from there.
Haylett RV Outstanding, thank you!
Hey Josh, I need your expert advise. Im 42, My lady and I are going back and forth on this subject. Were gonna be full timing in a few years and been watching your videos which help tremendously. If YOU were to full time across the country as a couple, would you start out with a smaller pull behind then upgrade after a year or so to a 5th wheel, or would you just get the 5th wheel and call it a day? I don't wanna go all out and a year or so later settle in a home again and lose all that money. Then again I don't want to regret not having the 5th wheel comfort too. Plus the decision will be a deciding factory on my tow vehicle as well. Whats your expert opinion sir? Thanks!
This video helps a lot too.
Start here: th-cam.com/video/0K9YTws8dC0/w-d-xo.html. In short: Don't buy something just to swap it in a year.
If I had plans for extended cross-country traveling, then I would be in a 30ish foot FW pulling with a 3/4 truck capable of handling elevations (aka one able to compensate for thinner air at elevation).
Great review. Thank you.
Hi, what a great video.
Hi Paul! Thanks for the kind words. Let us know if we can assist you down the line.
Great info great video thank you so much.
Awesome awesome video. Thanks for the info
Great job!
Awesome video, thank you.
How and why does a fifth Wheel tow better than a Travel Trailer?
Excellent question. There are two primary reason.
First, the hitch weight of the fifth wheel is directly above the suspension of the truck. This is how trucks are designed to handle weight rather than being the tail.
Secondly, the change in pivot point dampens the effect/feeling of sway/wiggle. You experience a most true/straight towing experience with less side-to-side push from the RV.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for answering, it was helpful !
great info
Trading my trailer for a fifth wheel because it’s easier to set up without a lot of bending over and hauling the 20 pound hitch and weight distribution equipment all the time. Between being easier to tow and set up I think the fifth wheel is easier for me, don’t get me wrong I have really enjoyed my trailer but at my age the fifth wheel just seems to me to be easier to tow and set up.
You'll love the way it hauls as well
I like the fifth wheels but i do not like the truck bed hitch as i have dirt bike and ATV and need that room . I don’t go camping without my power toys! I go hiking about 50 yards then completely bored da hey look at the tree and squirrels Whoopi dooooo
That's what's so cool about camping -- everybody can do it their own way!
can suspension of a pickup be increased to accomadate a trailer?
Generally speaking: Yes. In fact, RV transport companies REQUIRE their drivers have Helper Springs added to their suspension system for load/safety reasons. Airbag systems are also highly popular.
You can actually get some REALLY need airbag systems. My favorite is one that has a wireless remote control you keep in the dash of your truck and an on-board compressor. You can increase/decrease the air pressure in your suspension on the fly for optimal riding/handling conditions.
BIG JOE 245 if you do modify your suspension for a bigger load, make sure you make the necessary modifications to the driveline to power the larger load. With most two wheel drive vehicles, you may only need to change out your rear differential gears. Certainly check your owners manual for you current configuration of engine, transmission, cooler and axle ratio (rear differential ring and pinion gears). My Ram 3500 tows 12,700 lb with the 3.73 axle, but will tow almost 18,000 lb with the 4.10 axle. One other point to note is most HD trucks are over engineered by about 25% to allow for a cushion because the manufacturer knows if they put a 15,000 lb tow rating on their vehicle, that's the exact weight load some will tow with it, but don't count on that for normal use. Obviously, if your tow vehicle is still under warranty, certain driveline or suspension modifications may void the warranty. Also, if you do beef up the suspension for a larger load, make sure you do the same for your tires.
Great info thanks
Useful info. Thanks!
very informative thank you so much!
Very helpful, thank you
Very informative!
nice well done
Thank you!
Well done. Thanks.
they both lose there price value when you take it off the lot, but its the fifth wheel that is better built , and all you need is a 250 with air bags, and the same with any truck, looked after.
*Everything* loses value when taken off the lot. A new car is certainly no different for example.
But when you buy new......you can get a 20 yr loan....just like a mortgage
I think I'm going to sell both of my cars, get a truck, get a travel trailer, and move out of my tiny $700/mo 1 bedroom apartment.
You'd be joining a GROWING culture of like-minded folks.
You need to Google return on investment. The only "ROI" on any kind of RV is a negative one. Other than that good video.
You need to Google "Usage Value" and understand that not all value can be calculated in numbers.
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super helpful..thank you!