Paradoxical Outcome - Vintage | Channel LSV
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- There really isn't a deck that lets you play with sweeter cards in all of Magic than Paradoxical Outcome in Vintage. ALL the Moxes, Lotus, Vault/Key, Recall, Academy, Sol Ring, Library, Time Walk, Crypt, Vault, Snapcaster, Demonic Tutor... it just doesn't get any better.
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Round 1: 01:41
Round 2: 12:38
Round 3: 29:30
Round 4: 57:33
Round 5: 01:10:08
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I would've instant scooped to that Foil Volcanic Island into white-bordered 8th edition basic island. Opponent is working on another level.
White border 8th basics are *chef's kiss*
LSV:
**Doesn't ever have Lavinia in his hand at any point**
I was not impressed with Lavinia
😂😂😂😂😂
It was his last draw in game one
LSV playing Vintage is the pinnacle of all Magic content
52:06 I think that the mox could tap for mana cause you had a Thopter as well as the mox emerald, but it didn't matter too much anyway. Don't forget that Sai makes artifacts lol
that turn 1 kill in the first match is definitely why I love vintage. that was beautiful
James Perry against the current world champion no less
Is Outcome the most LSV deck ever? Mana ramp, artifacts, card draw, combo wincons, disgusting amounts of blue, a title card that encourages durdling? All we are missing is storm.
mentor is storm
Does FlusterSTORM count?
It's a storm deck with no storm cards, which clinches it as the most LSV deck ever.
a random brain freeze or tendrils could easily slot in here though.
Yeah that was weird. LSV always forces storm on cube and now that it has a storm deck, he decides he will take out the storm card. I don't get it.
52:04 mox taps for mana, the token is an artifact.
Outcome is my favorite vintage deck by so much. All my favorite cards! And watching a master play it is awesome.
Mystic Remora is such an old school T1 card, always love seeing it in a list
Would it be a white card now days?
unknown mack I feel like it should, but WotC seems vehemently against giving white any sort of card draw.
Congrats on 4th in Cleveland LSV :)
>LSV video pops up on Newsfeed
>Click
>Smile
Wow, match 5 opponent just kept on having it all, turn after turn. EDIT: I guess drawing 10 cards over LSV over the course of each game helped with that.
LSV, vintage, what a great day! :)
Thank's for the awesome content, it's such a pleasure to watch and listen to you :)
I like how he stopped bragging about how busted it was with that editing cut, like “Oh crap, WOTC is listening!”
How glorious are these matches!
Brings me back to when I used to play aetherflux storm in standard
Outcome is so bittersweet to watch. It's one of the sweetest decks, but you get nailed by both artifact hate and storm hate.
Its like KCI, but you don't get nailed by graveyard hate as well.
that shuffle the two forces away... never woulda guessed
This was exciting to watch, must have been more so to play!
Paradoxical outcome is my favorite vintage deck its so sweet. Who doesnt love free draw 4+s
This is pretty sick. Well played, sir.
Congratulations on your recent Top 8!
I am a very huge fan of you LSV!
I'm a simple man. I see LSV and click watch
I'm a simple watch. I see click and LSV man.
Match 1 G2 lasted around a minute it seemed. This is wild how fast Vintage is
Tails never fails... neither does heads for that matter.
11:38 I dub this play "Ancestral Re-Top"!!!!
FINALLY the real player plays vintage
Turn 1 kill? What a fun format!
What am I missing, isnt Lavinia decent against survival? It stops Hollow One, Vengevine and Rootwalla...is it just slow?
Not missing anything, he never drew it to form any opinion about it
It's pretty good against survival. Stops the counterspells it has too (misstep/fow). And it doesn't stop vengevine.
@@myztik5716 18:37 - LSV says Lavinia doesn't seem that good and boards her out. - I forgot Vengevine is not cast it is just put into play so my bad there.
@@Prometheus5419 Still, you were right. She's pretty good and it was a mistake to board her out. But both things are pretty new to vintage (survival and lavinia), so that's pretty normal for someone who plays a lot of other stuff professionally too.
12:35 Did LSV just get cut off in the middle of saying something?
Vintage LSV? Don't mind if I do.
What a savage game 3 match 1
Dude.....those moxes and the black lotus that LSV have are very expensive in MTGO.....gosh
KryoWoW GG wait until you hear he owns the deck irl
What is the win condition? Just endless turns won't do much...
Alexander Baranski Mentor, Sai, or even Snapcaster Mage beats.
I love you!!
What is this tasigurstill deck that i'm seeing in your vintage decks??? Whatever it is, it sounds sick
LSV, how did you know round 5 opponent wasn't playing Outcome when you saw the Strip Mine? Is it just that there aren't many variances between the Outcome decks or is there another reason I'm not thinking of?
o.o i dont get it it was only a draw 5 or somethin how does that kill why that guy scoop maybe lsv brick
Wow! Time Vault is way more unfair than Nexus! 😂
Nexus decks are still dumb in a format without Force of Will, Mindbreak Trap, Flusterstorm... a deck you can't interact with anymore from turn 4-5 because you didn't mulligan to at least 3 counterspells or had fast mono-red draws is unhealthy in standard.
@@souetrejeremy So, reprint force of will in war of the spark :)?
@@souetrejeremy I don't think so, that's the way the deck operates and how they win. It's not that easy for that deck to go off, if it was it would be dominating standard. And it's not.
I'm still baffled why outcome hasn't been restricted.
14:28 agreed...
Can someone explain why he can't tap moxes for mana to cast say the soul ring before Parodoxial Outcome? I'm missing something.
Stony Silence was in play. Activated abilities of artifacts do not work.
YEEEES
Crypt and Trap are better than Leyline?
So this deck no longer storms? I believe it used to have a storm package of either Tendrils or Empty.
It does, most versions still use tendrils.
Isn't Lavinia a bit of a "nonbo" with the rest of the deck ? I get that you can simply play her after all of the mana rocks and return her with Outcome before going off - but she still shuts of your "big" spells (like Outcome) if you don't have enough lands in play - or am I missing something ?
Lavinia only stops your opponents.
@@CarterDeLeo Thanks, must have misread the card - "reading is tech" etc. xD
So I can see how you easily go infinite here, and opps basically scoop once you get time vault + key, but what's the actual win con? If they let you go forever how do you actually win?
one of the token making creatures
Why couldn't the Mox Opal tap for mana you had a Thopter and Mox Emerald at 52:00
He didn't see the thopter methinks :)
Hi, i started playing MTG Arena couple of days ago. What can i do with 8 packs of core set 2019 and 9 packs of Ravnica Allegiance? Just crack the packs or can i do something else with this packs eg. drafts, trading for germs?
On Arena, you can't use your packs for anything except opening them to see what you get. So they're not true "booster packs" in that you can't use them to draft, unlike the digital boosters on Magic Online. If you want a detailed breakdown of how to get the most possible value out of the Arena economy for a limited player, listen to the recent Limited Resources episodes with Ryan Spain. He's a draft fiend who actually helped design Arena so he knows everything there is to know about the subject.
do not do that.
LR is a waste of time unless you want an overly complicated coffee analogy that only shows up 90minutes into a video allegedly about 'optimal' Arena grinding
anyone who played the beta knows the best line to accumulate a collection with minimal investment
is to:
1. get 1 win per day (usually by playing an aggro red deck waiting for a pairing against an opponent to stumble on lands or mull to oblivion)
2. re-spin your daily quest if it is 500g to change it to 750g
3. after 3 days and you have accumulated 3 daily quests complete them over the course of a few games
rinse & repeat q72hrs
The weekly quest sorts itself out as you earn a bunch of wins every 7 day period.
4. when drafting; take uncommon, rare & mythic rarity cards when not taking a card that improves your deck. This increases your chance for duplicate '5th' cards for your collection that the system rewards you with gems instead of a 5th card.
no good cards in the pack and there's a mythic not in your color? no brainer there
and depending on your deck quality you could be taking a mythic over a good card to start those gems rolling in that much sooner.
did he ever draw lavinia?
Recording all 5 rounds? Who are you and what did you do to the real LSV?
Outcome should be restricted? How about we restrict Bazaar..
It's a little different since restricting Bazaar would basically outright kill the deck. I think Shops and Outcome would still work as decks without four of those cards.
@@MisterMomotaro1996 Bazaar should be restricted. Its a one card combo. All you need is that card and you basically win. When a player will mulligan until they get that ONE card, that proves that card is too powerful to have four copies of. Dredge would not die either, the mechanic and the endless mana-less effects you are granted in dredge would make people find alternates. There are many many many "spells" that you can cast, to fill up your graveyard. An uncounterable land effect that costs, equivalently one mana (tapping bazaar) that gains you a handful of "free" spell like effects for the tapping of that one land is what can be affectionately called "Broken"!!!!
Even Tolarian Academy which allows you to cast many spells tapping one land....is restricted!
Bazaar is effectively doing the same thing now. Except if you were to mulligan down to only a Tolarian Academy , it does nothing unless you also have artifacts in play.
Only Bazaar is needed in hand for it to work. You cannot tell me that Bazaar is now not as strong as Academy, if not stronger, considering it' works in the dredge deck, ALL BY IT"S SELF!!!!
Even Academy still needs other cards in hand and in play for it to be effective. and Academy IS restricted!
MyBiasedOpinions there’s no reason to ban or restrict a card when the deck isn’t dominating the meta. It’s good game one but beatable after sideboarding, and it’s not even the best deck in the format.
@@@MisterMomotaro1996 I don't think either should be restricted, I just think it's funny that the guy who is playing one of the most broken strategies in the format is complaining about another powerful strategy
I know it might be a bit ot but does anyone know what happened to the vintage super league? Shouldn't we have gotten week 5 and 6 by now?
Pause for the pro tour maybe?
It's now on the Magic Super League TH-cam channel and not the main channel.
@@joelowdon1615 thanks. Didn't even consider that they would just put it on a separate channel without announcement.
40:39 dack attack
Can you Fragmentize an Assembly Worker?
You could Fragmentize the actual card Assembly Worker and the tokens that Urza’s Factory makes, but no, you can’t Fragmentize Mishra’s Factory without a Quicken effect. Fragmentize is a sorcery.
Vintage is the format I'd love to play, but then the opening hands are worth more than my entire collection. Wat do.
The best vintage decks are somewhere betweek 200 and 400 tix online ;)
@@GutoCmtt yeah, but then I'd have to play MTGO. I cashed out a long time ago there. Maybe it will become the place to play vintage (or already is), but not for me :(
MonKeiBusiness Cockatrice, XMage, untap.in, and proxies are your friend.
1:23:20 “This Fragmentize is not looking great.” He says as he’s getting hit in the face by a 2/2 artifact creature.
Sorcery speed.
Is there anything that stops this deck?
Lavinia, ironically. Or Stony Silence. Or an opponent with a faster draw.
Lots of things. It's not the best vintage deck anymore (if it ever was), not in this meta at least.
@36:18
@37:06
lol
Why no Tendrils?
Because when it doesn't win you the game, it's a dead card.
@@jakx2ob Nah man, when you paradoxial all the time like he did, its a wincon.
@@goldcobraarima9819 if you are casting ten spells in a turn you are most likely already winning the game. You don't need tendrils.
@@jakx2ob if you cast 10 spells and than Mentor you are not winning, but if you cast 9 Spells and than Tendrils you just won.
Because the versions with tendrils aren't as good
Why the hell is Outcome not restricted yet?
Well if they restricted outcome, I think they would have to restrict workshop for balance's sake. I'm not saying that is a bad idea, but it would be a big shakeup.
@@PoodlestarGenerica The difference is restricting Workshop probably eliminates the Shops deck entirely. Outcome is clearly going to continue as the fast mana+blue cards storm-ish deck.
So you are saying they should restrict paradoxical outcome? Leaving it as a possible sideplan in some other stormish deck. And that they should not ban Workshop? Which is already possibly the best deck in vintage?
@@PoodlestarGenerica it wouldn't be a "sideplan" it would just be another powerful card. And I don't pay any attention to Vintage, but I'm pretty sure Shops is less dominant than it used to be and is an important part of controlling the degeneracy inherent to Vintage. So yeah.
Then you shouldn't talk about what you don't know. Shops took the top three spots at the last vintage challenge and outcome didn't even top eight. Just because LSV can win with a deck in a league doesn't mean it's oppressive. You are a foolish noob.
Restrict Shops, Outcome and Bazaar.
its better to use tendrils of agony
like most things Trump says this is a lie
Vintage looks so degenerate and I wouldn’t wanna play it, but watching lsv play vintage is entertaining
Paradoxical outcome shoulda been a sorcery.
+1
That's rich, the guy playing Bazaar Dredge complains that Outcome needs to be restricted.
Bazaar needs to me restricted. Dredge is by far the most non magic deck, which I don't mind. But they should only be able to have one Bazaar. When you can mulligan down to one card, to try get one of your 4 Bazaar's, and still have a good chance to win, that means that ONE card is too over powered at that point.
WE WANT MODERN!!!
first
Biggest cancer deck in Vintage.