I just had a rejection on my final interview in my dream job. It was painful but (not easy as it sounds) I turned that pain into motivation for the next time.
Great story with so many lessons...I literally had the same experience once admitted to graduate school to get my MBA. Super powerful video...keep sharing stories!
Hey, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m waiting for the result of my app for one of the M7. Oh the agony of waiting. HBS did not even invite me. But I think you summarized what I have been searching for. It feels like they reject my whole self with my whole past and future. Anyway, the quote is really something to think about. Thanks again!
Yeah, the feeling sucks. Luckily Adcoms (like our failures) don’t define us. Fast forward to your eventual graduation wherever you end up and the feeling changes to gratitude. Best of luck, waiting is the hardest part for sure. Keep me posted!
I truly appreciate how well you took that rejection and your classmates feedback and channeled it into positive energy. You are light years away from me
They did the same strategy with me: No notetaker and asking very casual, open-ended questions with a very friendly tone. Then they asked a few professional questions and I did not switch into *lengthy involved analysis responses*. I got WL then rejected. Ironically I saw this video before the interview and didn't learn from it.
I know how you feel, Im from LA in my case I spent 3 years to be part of the best university in my country, but one aspect they ask is be good at mathematics and other things but the hardest is be good at mathematic, but the education in our country is not good so I decided to work on it, study a lot almost from 0, and I never past due to that test, I felt like I had spent 3 years😢😪.. I was working and tried to study as much I could😔😪 It was almost 6 years ago!
Such a different perspective that I needed to hear. Thank you for doing this introspection & actually sharing tips that are tangible and attainable. Good luck in your future endeavors!
@Patrick Prömmel maybe the overall application strategy. For you to have gotten an interview at HBS, there must have been something that made your application stood out. Maybe tips on how to approach the schools essay. Thank you
Hey Patrick, really appreciate you for putting out these videos. Do you mind sharing your mba application process? You mentioned a lot about your GMAT, application consultants etc. Just wanna know your process + tips for people who is applying. Cheers!
Great story Patrick and thank you for the valuable insights. Can you please tell me what was your GRE/GMAT score? I see that regardless of your GPA, they invited you to the interview and I am planning on to apply Wharton MS/MBA Program this year. I was wondering whether Wharton is also flexible regarding our GRE/GMAT scores. Best wishes!
I had the exact same GRE score advertised as average on Wharton’s class at the time. Every school publishes what their average GRE and GMAT scores are.
Hi Patrick, this video has been awesome to watch. I have a interview in 15 days to Harvard. I don't know if there would be a chance to have a mock interview with you. It would be a dream for me Saludos dese Peru, Kevin
Saludos Kevin - suerte mañana! Necesitaría prepararme más para ayudarte. Entra con confianza, explica el “porque” detrás de tus decisiones y porque eres tan impresionante! Suerte
Thanks for for this video! What was it about your 90 second presentation that caused for your competence to be ranked so low? What did you observe from the people that did rank higher in competence? Thanks again!
I didn’t get access to other people’s scores so can only guess from the ones I saw that were “more competent” more serious and focused on professional accomplishments. I tried looking for my original video and couldn’t find it. I took a less serious approach, talked more about my goals and passions in a light hearted matter. Also would say that the study is quite small, we just ranked 10 people and had 10 people rank us. Probably tough crowd too, when you take into account they are all Wharton MBAs - you could imagine that non-MBAs would probably be more impressed with the degree.
That was interesting indeed , in my personal opinion the lessons to be learned from the story you told is , be yourself (Don't fake it till you make it) - trust your knowledge after doing all your research - don't care much about others first impression of you as long as you're respectful anyways and most importantly always keep in mind that your interviewer isn't perfect neither , he or she is another human being just like you, and finally be open about your thoughts and your visions on certain matters (Always be ready to have a rational discussions and don't fear the results) In other words have self respect - self awareness and never stop learning. (Step Up)
Glad you took away so much from the video! Last sentence is spot on with what I took away. I think I actually was going for saying that you should work on your first impressions, but agree that you can’t fully control what other people think of you so best not to worry.
I don’t know much about PhD programs or the why behind your goal, but assuming based on mentioning of “super reputable”, you’re interested in the prestige. Harvard is undoubtedly best brand in education, so more people will be impressed with that. However, let’s say you manage to get PhD under Adam Grant at Wharton… I’d argue no better opportunity than that.
Good question. Most people applying to top MBA programs come from consulting or finance (and increasingly big tech), and so by unique I meant something outside of those fields. Schools want to keep their incoming classes balanced, diverse, and interesting as a class made up of 100% consultants arguably isn’t best environment to learn and grow. You can imagine the admissions committee being excited about getting an application that doesn’t come from a consultant after reading hundreds or thousands of similar ones. Search “[school name] class profile” you’ll see the breakdown of fields for incoming classes (spoiler: you’ll consistently find consultants to be ~25% of class).
MLT fam! Life post grad has been great (although very different lol) - I’ll be making more videos soon let me know if there’s anything else you’re curious to hear more about
You can, and apparently they give you feedback on your application a year later! (Annoying they wouldn’t do it right away. I did get into my actual dream program (Wharton / Lauder) so didn’t apply again though.
@@PatrickPrommel Bro, I think Wharton is a place worth going to no matter you want to go to ibd or pe better than hbs. To me, as I am currently working in a boutique ibd, I may want to continuously further work in gs ibd for few years then i will start up my biz in HK~
@@ilovelifan yes Wharton is a Mecca for finance for sure, and HK one of the coolest cities in the world. Good luck with the jobs and entrepreneurship!
Not sure why I was recommended this video... But here I am. I listened the whole video. Found it really rewarding.
Glad you found it valuable! Really appreciate the comment. Cheers to the TH-cam algorithm haha
I just had a rejection on my final interview in my dream job. It was painful but (not easy as it sounds) I turned that pain into motivation for the next time.
Got to make use of suffering - good luck going forward Sebastian!
Great story with so many lessons...I literally had the same experience once admitted to graduate school to get my MBA. Super powerful video...keep sharing stories!
Yes a great learning opportunity - appreciate the comment!
Hey, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m waiting for the result of my app for one of the M7. Oh the agony of waiting. HBS did not even invite me. But I think you summarized what I have been searching for. It feels like they reject my whole self with my whole past and future. Anyway, the quote is really something to think about.
Thanks again!
Yeah, the feeling sucks. Luckily Adcoms (like our failures) don’t define us. Fast forward to your eventual graduation wherever you end up and the feeling changes to gratitude.
Best of luck, waiting is the hardest part for sure. Keep me posted!
I’m always a fan of lessons learned from failures (perhaps because I have SO many of my own🤣). Amazing video!!!
Can't say they are my favorite but definitely the ones that stick haha - appreciate the support!
I truly appreciate how well you took that rejection and your classmates feedback and channeled it into positive energy. You are light years away from me
Just one chapter ahead Van… just one chapter ahead
Thanks man, keep the videos coming. Truly appreciate the authenticity, and I am thankful as I am about to go through my journey.
Appreciate the encouragement - more coming that I hope are helpful. Good luck!
They did the same strategy with me: No notetaker and asking very casual, open-ended questions with a very friendly tone. Then they asked a few professional questions and I did not switch into *lengthy involved analysis responses*. I got WL then rejected. Ironically I saw this video before the interview and didn't learn from it.
Very tough - probably for the best when you look back 2 years from now
9 minutes spent wisely! This was awesome♥️
Thank you appreciate it!
Great video man, well presented and full of nuggets of wisdom!
Glad you found nuggets in there haha, really appreciate the comment
Thanks for sharing! 😊
Great video! Former UMD grad here applying for MBA programs, go terps!
Go Terps! Good luck
Thank you for sharing your valuable experience.
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
5:05 objective of interview
6:15 warm matrix
I know how you feel, Im from LA in my case I spent 3 years to be part of the best university in my country, but one aspect they ask is be good at mathematics and other things but the hardest is be good at mathematic, but the education in our country is not good so I decided to work on it, study a lot almost from 0, and I never past due to that test, I felt like I had spent 3 years😢😪.. I was working and tried to study as much I could😔😪 It was almost 6 years ago!
Such a different perspective that I needed to hear. Thank you for doing this introspection & actually sharing tips that are tangible and attainable. Good luck in your future endeavors!
Thank you, thank you. Glad you found it helpful and tangible. Good luck to you as well!
This is very inspiring. Thanks for sharing. You just got a new subscriber
Appreciate you Tunde! Let me know what other content you'd find valuable and I'll make it
@Patrick Prömmel maybe the overall application strategy. For you to have gotten an interview at HBS, there must have been something that made your application stood out. Maybe tips on how to approach the schools essay. Thank you
Great ideas!
Thanks Patrick
Glad you liked it Siddharth!
Long distance to Boston just wouldn’t have sounded nearly as enticing 🤔
Hey Patrick, really appreciate you for putting out these videos. Do you mind sharing your mba application process? You mentioned a lot about your GMAT, application consultants etc. Just wanna know your process + tips for people who is applying. Cheers!
Yes, will make a video on it - already made one on consultants! Just editing it.
@@PatrickPrommel Thanks! Also got notified you accepted my connection on LinkedIn. Hope to see more videos from you!
Great story Patrick and thank you for the valuable insights. Can you please tell me what was your GRE/GMAT score? I see that regardless of your GPA, they invited you to the interview and I am planning on to apply Wharton MS/MBA Program this year. I was wondering whether Wharton is also flexible regarding our GRE/GMAT scores. Best wishes!
I had the exact same GRE score advertised as average on Wharton’s class at the time. Every school publishes what their average GRE and GMAT scores are.
Hi Patrick, this video has been awesome to watch. I have a interview in 15 days to Harvard. I don't know if there would be a chance to have a mock interview with you. It would be a dream for me
Saludos dese Peru,
Kevin
Saludos Kevin - suerte mañana! Necesitaría prepararme más para ayudarte. Entra con confianza, explica el “porque” detrás de tus decisiones y porque eres tan impresionante! Suerte
Thanks for for this video! What was it about your 90 second presentation that caused for your competence to be ranked so low? What did you observe from the people that did rank higher in competence? Thanks again!
I didn’t get access to other people’s scores so can only guess from the ones I saw that were “more competent” more serious and focused on professional accomplishments.
I tried looking for my original video and couldn’t find it. I took a less serious approach, talked more about my goals and passions in a light hearted matter.
Also would say that the study is quite small, we just ranked 10 people and had 10 people rank us. Probably tough crowd too, when you take into account they are all Wharton MBAs - you could imagine that non-MBAs would probably be more impressed with the degree.
Hi
Would you mind sharing your undergrad GPA and GRE score?
Thank you!
3.5 gpa and 162/161 V/Q on GRE - didn’t do GMAT
Davis Edward Thompson Brian Miller Michael
I have competence but no warmth. 😫 Havent applied to an MBA program yet.
You don’t have it *yet* - both can be worked on!
That was interesting indeed , in my personal opinion the lessons to be learned from the story you told is , be yourself (Don't fake it till you make it) - trust your knowledge after doing all your research - don't care much about others first impression of you as long as you're respectful anyways and most importantly always keep in mind that your interviewer isn't perfect neither , he or she is another human being just like you, and finally be open about your thoughts and your visions on certain matters (Always be ready to have a rational discussions and don't fear the results)
In other words have self respect - self awareness and never stop learning. (Step Up)
Glad you took away so much from the video! Last sentence is spot on with what I took away.
I think I actually was going for saying that you should work on your first impressions, but agree that you can’t fully control what other people think of you so best not to worry.
@@PatrickPrommel I appreciate you taking the time to read my comment and responding on it i wish you all the best sincerely from the heart
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Do you recommend Harvard over Wharton? My ultimate goal is to get a PhD in management from a super reputable school.
I don’t know much about PhD programs or the why behind your goal, but assuming based on mentioning of “super reputable”, you’re interested in the prestige.
Harvard is undoubtedly best brand in education, so more people will be impressed with that. However, let’s say you manage to get PhD under Adam Grant at Wharton… I’d argue no better opportunity than that.
I got the same for MIT
Happens, hope you’re at the right place now
What is considered a “unique job?”
Good question. Most people applying to top MBA programs come from consulting or finance (and increasingly big tech), and so by unique I meant something outside of those fields.
Schools want to keep their incoming classes balanced, diverse, and interesting as a class made up of 100% consultants arguably isn’t best environment to learn and grow. You can imagine the admissions committee being excited about getting an application that doesn’t come from a consultant after reading hundreds or thousands of similar ones.
Search “[school name] class profile” you’ll see the breakdown of fields for incoming classes (spoiler: you’ll consistently find consultants to be ~25% of class).
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MLT 2023 here 🎉 how are you doing ?
MLT fam! Life post grad has been great (although very different lol) - I’ll be making more videos soon let me know if there’s anything else you’re curious to hear more about
@@PatrickPrommel Certainly! Thank you.
Booth admit class of 2025!
@@akporesiriomene3396 congrats!!! 🍾🎉
did you apply to stanford?
I did. I’ll have to make a video about how I messed that one up (more embarrassing) haha
@@PatrickPrommel please make this one, your videos are amazing and insightful!! Excited to learn your Stanford experience :)
Okay, but, bag fumbler university
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can apply again next year
You can, and apparently they give you feedback on your application a year later! (Annoying they wouldn’t do it right away. I did get into my actual dream program (Wharton / Lauder) so didn’t apply again though.
@@PatrickPrommel Bro, I think Wharton is a place worth going to no matter you want to go to ibd or pe better than hbs. To me, as I am currently working in a boutique ibd, I may want to continuously further work in gs ibd for few years then i will start up my biz in HK~
@@ilovelifan yes Wharton is a Mecca for finance for sure, and HK one of the coolest cities in the world. Good luck with the jobs and entrepreneurship!
Great video. Appreciate your "takeaways" and positive attitude. Good food for thought. You earned a sub.
Thanks Griffin, appreciate the comment (and Sub)!