I like the old one more. It's more feel-good, leisurely and fun. Don't you find? I know Scarface is a bloody movie, but your video can be anything, and I'd rather have it sexy, chill and joyful. Long-time viewer. Peace!
I love this synthpop! I am a old guy 47 back in 1984 everyone I loved was still with me. To you kiddos out there if you still have your grandparents/parents you should tell them how much you love them as much as humanly possibly. One day you won't be able and on that day you will realize how much you have truly lost.
They don’t get that man. They’re raised to be the absolutely, bottom dollar, MOST self centered, sociopathic generation ever to exist. If a disease took a parent, they would have to find somebody to blame. The will swim in despair because they don’t know how to receive and give the Love that only comes from God the Father. They don’t even try to use that gray matter. Seems like everyone born after ‘95ish- Is a loss as a human. And it’s our fault they’re ruining the entire world.
I was just a child then, living in Miami during the late 80's to early 90's. To a child, Miami seemed like this neon colored giant that had no beginning or end except the ocean. The gaudy spires stretching out to the sky captivated me, as I knew that each night they promised a sight that rivaled the stars themselves. My earliest memories may have faded from those days, except the lights. I still remember those lights; I always will.
+Matheus Bitencourt Not really, cause I was there. The real 80s weren't bad, but strangely I prefer the representation that we are given today. This resurgence of synth wave is better than the original IMO.
life now is literally just a continuation of the 80s, a next version of the 80s so to speak. No decade IMO has been so influential in shaping 30 years of American culture. Reality tv, computers, cell phones and tech, the internet, the music, the fashion, the movies, the shows, celebrity obsession, greed. Everything you see today is just an extension of the 80s in some way. The same is obviously not true of other 30 year spans. Like people in the 60s cannot directly trace the culture of society back to the 30s. Its pretty awesome and fascinating.
I'm so appreciative of artists such as Miami Nights 1984, Kavinsky, Lazerhawk etc. because they bring back the 80's so close to me again. I was born in the 1980 and, till the decade ended, I didn't know how to appreciate them at such a young age back then ~
I remember saying to my wife in the 80s (we were just kids) - 'there will be nothing good to remember about the 80s...' - I was SO wrong... Love the 80s aesthetic... it looks and sounds so good...
Probably Rockstar needs to buy licenses for this great music again for the new Vice City and that would be a problem, because there are still copyrights troubles even with the old version of the game. The music is too expensive.
+MindaugasLegend Meh, mo' people now = mo' murders. Seriously though, NYC and Miami in the 80's was more violent overall. Had a t-shirt back then that had a gun with a X in front of it which said "Welcome to NYC, you are here" arrow to the X. Always got comments because of the muggings/shootings then.
Like normal people. Today my family freaks out if I dont carry my cellphone along. But they forget that I used to do just that even 10 - 12 years back.
I can listen to this all day long and never ever get tired of it. Fuck, I love the '80s so fucking much! Best decade for music and fashion! I miss the '80s! I miss the Cold War, shitty cars, cheesy action movies, great cartoons.... the '80s, man, the '80s!!!! Why did they have to end!? Modern music sucks! '80s for life.
Lucky, I was born in 81..so it was my childhood...I wished I could've experienced my teen years then...instead of the Gen X depressing crappy grunge Seattle music era.
That blonde girl vanished (her body was never found) just after shooting that scene... she lived that Miami life and forever remained stuck in the 80s...
It's not the way you're trying to say. She was probably victim of a serial killer, but probably the monster had what he deserves, these psicopaths are unable to live normal lives, so probably soon after he met justice. They are arrested, killed, or commit suicide... a psyco is a psyco, they can't stop being such a disgrace. Here in Brazil in the 80's some serial killer cases also were common, according to the data, but not like in some North American states. But we have no death penalty, unfortunatelly.
@@leonardos2925 it is very unlikely that wilder or crutchley are responsible but of course, nobody can rule it out. My feeling tells me that it was Keith Richards or the guys from the party...
I imagine living in Miami/California back then gave people the ability to thrive enormously in comparison to other parts of the world. Not only the weather was great, but also the economical situation. There was a very huge gap. China 1984 in comparison to USA 1984 is a different dimension, not only China... quite frankly also if you compare it to Europe.
i thought i'm only one who born later but loving the 80's world. Amazing optimistic faces, Nintendo games, wonderful movies and TV show and great music. I would to live in the city like Miami 80's.
Ascdsacd Scsadc I'm gonna need to watch Scarface - have no idea how it's possible I haven't seen it. But first thing when I saw disco in this video, I thought of Malibu Club ;D I have to see how many things they put into VC from this movie.
Haano Pretty much everything in GTA VC is based on Scarface!! The club, the mansion. there are easter eggs references to the movie. And also some Miami Vice references too.
Born in late '85, I was too young to appreciate what the decade had to offer. I remember arcade games, Ninja Turtles, finding nice prizes in my cereal box, VHS tapes, and not having Internet, but that's about it. At least the cool music is easy enough to find.
This kind of stuff is actually going through a huge revival right now, look at the new Daft Punk album for example, topping even the mainstream charts. The groovy old hits that surfaced in the mid 70's through the 80's never died out, and I'm happy to see it all slowly resurfacing. Soul, funk, italo-disco, etc. all much too electrifying to go anywhere. Coming back in 2013 and it's refreshing as a glass of cold kool aid on an early summer morning.
As much as I share the overall nostalgic feelings that are expressed in the comments, you have to admit we aren't being any better than the Baby Boomers who look back to "Leave it to Beaver" with wistful smiles or the honest conviction that things were simpler in the fifties. Every generation has its nostalgia decade, I guess. I was born in 1983. By the time the eighties were over, I barely qualified as a self-conscious individual. I didn't get nostalgic for the eighties until around 2010. Kinda makes you curious about what's going to qualify as the next generation's "retro" sound. Really fast-paced nineties-like Techno à la Lords of Acid or Juno Reactor, maybe?
Voice In The Static I wouldn't say that. There's a lot more to the current decade than corporate homogenization, it's just hard to see those little nuggets of creativity without hindsight. We don't have enough of it yet, for obvious reasons. Every decade creates something to be nostalgic about, even if you can't see it. We aren't all sensitive to the same things and couldn't possibly be nostalgic for EVERY decade to ever leave a mark. Consider the sixties and the early Rock and Roll; the seventies and Progressive Rock. The eighties had New Wave, the nineties were drenched in Eurobeat success stories even in the States, and the same decade would also see the rise of the Boy Band. You might not see any quality in that, but some people *are* starting to be nostalgic for the Backstreet Boys. The early two-thousands were the era of flash-in-the-pan Pop Music divas, and now it feels like everyone has to fiddle with a sequencer at least once in their set list. Even the Black Eyed Peas went Dubstep. Don't forget that every generation has its hits that transcend the concept of nostalgia. If Barbra Streisand is still getting broadcast on FM airwaves and anything between Supertramp, Genesis to Led Zepplin still get plenty of exposure, the same can be said of current bigwigs like Céline Dion. The short of it is it's too early to tell. Not finding your own mark in the decade's production is fine, too - just don't say there's *less* on offer than there used to be, because I won't believe it. Heavy Metal, for instance, has spidered off into so many tangents that there's bound to be something for everyone.
Good call!! There's so much from the 80's that's actually throwbacks to the 50's (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Back to The Future, even the action movies that Stallone and Arnold did were just contemporary Westerns). Like you said, every generation has theirs. Guess in 30 years or so we'll see what that generation looks back on. I'll stay here in the 80's, myself.
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Watch the HD Remake here of this video: th-cam.com/video/WyT6DeP2u4o/w-d-xo.html
I like the old one more. It's more feel-good, leisurely and fun. Don't you find? I know Scarface is a bloody movie, but your video can be anything, and I'd rather have it sexy, chill and joyful.
Long-time viewer. Peace!
@@MrJohannson Beutiful response. Completely agree.
What is the music playing at 4:10
Grady Mcglothin -
@@buddygonzales5720 what
I think the greatest thing Vice City did was make an entire generation of 90s kids feel nostalgic for an era that they never experienced.
I was part of it since i live in miami beach
Also the movies and the songs of the 80s were great
I was born in 1991 and I can confirm, that this is the truth. I don't want to wish the years away, but I want the time back.
I'm sure a lot of different generations felt the same about different decades
What do you mean vice city. The group is Miami beach
I love this synthpop! I am a old guy 47 back in 1984 everyone I loved was still with me. To you kiddos out there if you still have your grandparents/parents you should tell them how much you love them as much as humanly possibly. One day you won't be able and on that day you will realize how much you have truly lost.
Yeah that's a word of wisdom
true, tell your grandparents that you love them while you have a chance.
You are not too old 47 isn’t old. Hope you are enjoying life and creating new memories and finding new loved ones. Peace !!
50? Your still young, your getting older yes. When you're around 60+ then your old.
They don’t get that man. They’re raised to be the absolutely, bottom dollar, MOST self centered, sociopathic generation ever to exist. If a disease took a parent, they would have to find somebody to blame. The will swim in despair because they don’t know how to receive and give the Love that only comes from God the Father. They don’t even try to use that gray matter. Seems like everyone born after ‘95ish- Is a loss as a human. And it’s our fault they’re ruining the entire world.
I was just a child then, living in Miami during the late 80's to early 90's. To a child, Miami seemed like this neon colored giant that had no beginning or end except the ocean. The gaudy spires stretching out to the sky captivated me, as I knew that each night they promised a sight that rivaled the stars themselves. My earliest memories may have faded from those days, except the lights. I still remember those lights; I always will.
Great post, wow!
veiga1000 then you were living in Miami Beach and not Miami
Dan Marino and dolphins fan for life!
I'm stuck in 80's, even though I'm from 94. Do you know that feeling?
No
+Matheus Bitencourt Yes. I was born in the 89. Not really stuck, but sometimes I feel like If I missed the 80's Gold times that won't ever come back.
+Matheus Bitencourt I know exactly how you feel... missing something you never had, that 80's feeling....
I'm sure glad you were borned'ed
+Matheus Bitencourt Not really, cause I was there. The real 80s weren't bad, but strangely I prefer the representation that we are given today. This resurgence of synth wave is better than the original IMO.
We just want the 80's again
It is here and now
life now is literally just a continuation of the 80s, a next version of the 80s so to speak. No decade IMO has been so influential in shaping 30 years of American culture. Reality tv, computers, cell phones and tech, the internet, the music, the fashion, the movies, the shows, celebrity obsession, greed. Everything you see today is just an extension of the 80s in some way. The same is obviously not true of other 30 year spans. Like people in the 60s cannot directly trace the culture of society back to the 30s. Its pretty awesome and fascinating.
coolwaterz this is so damn true
that pink dolphin brand is pretty cool nice t-shirt designs
Michael V A P O R W A V E I was born in 98 but I love 80s era with all of my heart. This era is sucks!
I'm so appreciative of artists such as Miami Nights 1984, Kavinsky, Lazerhawk etc. because they bring back the 80's so close to me again. I was born in the 1980 and, till the decade ended, I didn't know how to appreciate them at such a young age back then ~
This truly is the peak of synthwave, current synthwave can't hold a candle to this.
MN84’s new album says otherwise
I want to go to a parallel universe where it is the 1980's FOREVER.......
@Who am I? You should watch the Black Mirror Episode called San Junipero.
We need a fucking DeLorean!!!
Oh yes 🙏🏼💭
San Junipero!!! I' m a 80's teen...the best time to live
Your in it 😂
Nostalgia for a decade that you were not even born is a strange and beautiful thing
Anhedonia
@@pierholtrop5432 anemoia
First you get the money
then you get the power
then you get the women.
How to get rich quick...
Hell yeah scarface reference
All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break em for no one you got that?
GevuldePerzik “you know what a Chazzer is Frank? It’s a pig, they don’t fly straight”.
Thts the rules i followed and it did succeed
The guy on rollerskates is from the second season of Miami Vice. He was a coke dealer that Crockett and Tubbs were about to bust.
Thank you, i scrolled comments for 15min to find your comment ^^
Manuel 'Skates' Santino played by Scott 'Slo-motion' Randolph?
The girl in the blue swimsuit from that scene in Scarface is named Tammy Lynn Leppert. She's been missing since 1983.
Esben Thomas dayum
Dude gigging out like Quagmire 😁
I remember saying to my wife in the 80s (we were just kids) - 'there will be nothing good to remember about the 80s...' - I was SO wrong... Love the 80s aesthetic... it looks and sounds so good...
The only thing that I remember from back then was the slimer hi-C that was green colored and looked like goblin urine.
8 years old & this track is still kicking ass!! Especially the end piece 😊
*Vice City* best GTA *FOREVER*!
GIwillo
Maybe, friend, maybe! :) Perhaps gta6 return in vice? I wait it! :)
Name it
*VIce city*
It has to be. VI stands for VIce. And I think the game name should be "GTA VI: The VIce Returns"
GTA 6 should play in Vice City!
Probably Rockstar needs to buy licenses for this great music again for the
new Vice City and that would be a problem, because there are still
copyrights troubles even with the old version of the game. The music is too expensive.
Synthwave masterpiece that I come back to every so often.
Why I'm smiling watching this?
Years later and its still great.
Already a NRW Classic, song AND video!!!!!
That outro.. love it.
I want it too!!
its the outro to his EP, i downloaded it on bandcamp because i love this song so much
The outro of this song? Or is it another?
4:06
That outro is unreal!
There's a bit of video in your 80's.
Luiscifer Luis
1:45 x1.25
"She's a maaniac, maaaaaniac on the floor. And she dancin' like she never danced before!"
this was uploaded in 2011 before the whole 'new retro' wave started wow
80s decade was the BEST BEST...never forget.......
Great music and video.... Memories... I was 19!!!!! 'That' future was better than our future, now...
i was 13/14. the future was shit. god bless now.
I was there, The 80s was awesome. I feel bad for Millennials who missed out. Miami beach, Miami and NY was crazy.
+VIDEOSUPERHIGHWAY How was it? Can´t imagine. Also I am not from the USA. Obviosuly. :D
yeah, all the homicides...sounds ummm awesome
+raleighman3000 yeah todays homicides sounds way more fun
+MindaugasLegend homicide rate is lower than 80s, in the USA.(mostly) miami had drug wars in 70s and 80s. miami beach was not as safe as today.
+MindaugasLegend Meh, mo' people now = mo' murders. Seriously though, NYC and Miami in the 80's was more violent overall. Had a t-shirt back then that had a gun with a X in front of it which said "Welcome to NYC, you are here" arrow to the X. Always got comments because of the muggings/shootings then.
if i just have time machine, i say goodbye and heading back the best time 80s
and 90's as well.
2 best decades to live in the 20th century brother.
Yeeea go back to sweet 80s, when fear of nuclear war was real
Renny hate? I don't hate people that think like that
@@Embrod exactly
It’s quite easy to get a romanticised perception of the 80’s watching videos like this. The reality was very different!
Your videos define the retrowave scene perfectly. Awesome work as always!
It's that time of year again.
Listening to this song at the start of summer/spring is pure sex....listening at the start of fall is pure torture
JM Gavin I know what you mean. Summer went so FAST! :(
@@lisazoria2709 Can relate, since it's August now.
@@xxxfirehuunterxxx yeah rip gonna miss summer
Not if you live in Florida
Reading this in when it's almost Thanksgiving lol thankfully I hate the heat
Want to go back !! 😊❤
Happy summer everyone!
You too bro!
Thank you! You, too!
Thanks, Rick!
Reaper yes i am the kreator of miney kkkrafta
I'm afraid he's rick harrison and that is his pawn shop
This is the music i love! Miami nights 1984 you are incredible and my all-time idols!
80s decade...was it the BEST....? 10000% for sure,,,,in the blood forever....
I was looking for this video like crazy. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
Wow, a whole bunch of people in this video and nobody was checking Instagram or Facebook. Must of been the 80's. How did we ever live.
i agree on the internet component but having no cell phones sucked.
+raleighman3000 I'll agree there.
Like normal people. Today my family freaks out if I dont carry my cellphone along. But they forget that I used to do just that even 10 - 12 years back.
Best music ever.
This is a Synthwave masterpiece
I can listen to this all day long and never ever get tired of it. Fuck, I love the '80s so fucking much! Best decade for music and fashion! I miss the '80s! I miss the Cold War, shitty cars, cheesy action movies, great cartoons.... the '80s, man, the '80s!!!! Why did they have to end!? Modern music sucks! '80s for life.
correction 80s cars were great. they had personality, probably because they were designed by ppl and not algos. cmon peguest 205 was a legend
Lucky, I was born in 81..so it was my childhood...I wished I could've experienced my teen years then...instead of the Gen X depressing crappy grunge Seattle music era.
I love the outro music....
Shazam: "Early Summer" Album Outro - Miami Nights 1984
/watch?v=V3F7Yha3nOU
SnipsaEdits Thanks!
people like you brighten up this world
@@SnipsaEdits ty
I've never thought of visiting Miami. This really changed since I've watched this video and listened to this song for the first time.
its great. i was in miami beach in 2004 for 10 days. just do it :)
For real, it's got a lot to offer anyone from anywhere.
I love that little tune at the end. I have it set as my ringtone, great stuff.
Started to cry when she said love Miami
Grear !!! very good idea to combine Miami Vice and Scarface, it creates an amazing atmosphere, it's wild and free.
Great music…. Great video … great stuff dude 👍🏻 80’s forever ❤❤❤
5 seconds into the song and I've already hit that like button. Awesome music.
That blonde girl vanished (her body was never found) just after shooting that scene... she lived that Miami life and forever remained stuck in the 80s...
man that's so depressing, only 18 and so beautiful..her family never knowing what happened...:(
Tammy Lynn tappert....that was her name
It's not the way you're trying to say. She was probably victim of a serial killer, but probably the monster had what he deserves, these psicopaths are unable to live normal lives, so probably soon after he met justice. They are arrested, killed, or commit suicide... a psyco is a psyco, they can't stop being such a disgrace. Here in Brazil in the 80's some serial killer cases also were common, according to the data, but not like in some North American states. But we have no death penalty, unfortunatelly.
@@leonardos2925 it is very unlikely that wilder or crutchley are responsible but of course, nobody can rule it out. My feeling tells me that it was Keith Richards or the guys from the party...
I was a teenager in the mid 80's. I can confirm - it was AWESOME! 🫶🎧
My favorite movie of all time!! Vice City! I mean Scarface!! My son always goes "You're watching this again"!?
Again and again 4 all eternity!!
School went out for summer, went to listen to this immediatley
1984: this is pure hedonism.
2024: this is pure class. 😎
1:28 man that scenery with a public phone.. EPIC
scarface's scene!!
Reminds me of gta vice city lmao
I was born in 96,but the 70's and 80's looks like life was so much better back then
Very very good
Tomorrow MN84 will release his third album! I'll be there ;-)
I imagine living in Miami/California back then gave people the ability to thrive enormously in comparison to other parts of the world. Not only the weather was great, but also the economical situation. There was a very huge gap. China 1984 in comparison to USA 1984 is a different dimension, not only China... quite frankly also if you compare it to Europe.
Bwt 2020 just started today and i am here remembering the 80's 😂
The outro is amazing! love Miami love 80's
God I miss 80s 😓
This is definitely one of the first nostalgia videos on you tube
This is my fucking jam.
MN84 is amazing! True Miami Sounds...!
La vida de los 80s..es mágica😻🌏🎊
Love this. 80s best time ever 💯
I was born in 1985... 5 amazing years of '80s
Diaper was bouncing to the rhythm
never been to Miami... im afraid to visit, because my imaginary 80s dreams like images will shatter
Can you imagine an episode of Miami Vice where they investigate Tony Montana?!
sherbaum1985 that would be amazing
words cant describe the greatness of this
I hope the next vice city game keeps this sort of video 80's version of Miami rather than going for the relistic treatment.
agree 👍
i thought i'm only one who born later but loving the 80's world. Amazing optimistic faces, Nintendo games, wonderful movies and TV show and great music. I would to live in the city like Miami 80's.
GTA VIce City here I come
Ascdsacd Scsadc That feeling precisely!!
Ascdsacd Scsadc
I'm gonna need to watch Scarface - have no idea how it's possible I haven't seen it. But first thing when I saw disco in this video, I thought of Malibu Club ;D I have to see how many things they put into VC from this movie.
Ascdsacd Scsadc damn, now i have to reinstall it too!
Haano Pretty much everything in GTA VC is based on Scarface!! The club, the mansion. there are easter eggs references to the movie. And also some Miami Vice references too.
+Haano Same thing happened to me haha. Saw it not too long ago- You won't be disappointed!
Its not just the decade we love its just the feeling of what LIFE is supposed to be like! The 1980s was a brief window.
The 80s, the days when the earth stole heaven...
People watching it in 2024 ?😅
scarface and miami vice used in the music clip..... great song ... awesome video...
Born in late '85, I was too young to appreciate what the decade had to offer. I remember arcade games, Ninja Turtles, finding nice prizes in my cereal box, VHS tapes, and not having Internet, but that's about it. At least the cool music is easy enough to find.
Thank you for listening to miami nights 1984. God damn, so fucking good.
GTA Vice City vibes
perfect song, greetings from Bratislava, Slovakia /Europe/
This kind of stuff is actually going through a huge revival right now, look at the new Daft Punk album for example, topping even the mainstream charts. The groovy old hits that surfaced in the mid 70's through the 80's never died out, and I'm happy to see it all slowly resurfacing. Soul, funk, italo-disco, etc. all much too electrifying to go anywhere. Coming back in 2013 and it's refreshing as a glass of cold kool aid on an early summer morning.
Die 80er eine Wunderschöne Zeit.
Damn the skater's moves are smooth as fuck.
Awesome greetings from the ancient megalithic city of TIAHUANAKU BOLIVIA 🇧🇴 thanks for posting
I want to live in Vice City forever. With Microsoft VR, maybe soon!!!
This music and clip is fantastic thanks for posting
1:57 when the bars reopen after lockdown
Oh, the 80's was the best...Neon signs all around. Great music, great friends. An all around grand 'ol time.
Wow the music at the end sounds awesome
Neros77 ❤❤❤❤❤❤ you amazing guy i love it
Thanks 🙏😁
80's cars are so sexy.
Thanks for making it aviabile again
It didn't go away?
man this song is a masterpiece
Are you AI?
@@Shotsfyred Yes
Remembering the time playing gta vice city, and joining Club Malibu
Love Miami
Love Miami 80s
Totally awesome tune and great video! New retro rules! Thanks for posting!
OMG I found this video at last :D I am so happy I am crying :3
Back to the 80s
a myspace link, damn that gives me memories
i'm neither from the us/miami nor have i ever experience the whole 80s vibe but i'm longing for it...
As much as I share the overall nostalgic feelings that are expressed in the comments, you have to admit we aren't being any better than the Baby Boomers who look back to "Leave it to Beaver" with wistful smiles or the honest conviction that things were simpler in the fifties.
Every generation has its nostalgia decade, I guess. I was born in 1983. By the time the eighties were over, I barely qualified as a self-conscious individual. I didn't get nostalgic for the eighties until around 2010.
Kinda makes you curious about what's going to qualify as the next generation's "retro" sound. Really fast-paced nineties-like Techno à la Lords of Acid or Juno Reactor, maybe?
Voice In The Static I wouldn't say that. There's a lot more to the current decade than corporate homogenization, it's just hard to see those little nuggets of creativity without hindsight. We don't have enough of it yet, for obvious reasons. Every decade creates something to be nostalgic about, even if you can't see it. We aren't all sensitive to the same things and couldn't possibly be nostalgic for EVERY decade to ever leave a mark.
Consider the sixties and the early Rock and Roll; the seventies and Progressive Rock. The eighties had New Wave, the nineties were drenched in Eurobeat success stories even in the States, and the same decade would also see the rise of the Boy Band. You might not see any quality in that, but some people *are* starting to be nostalgic for the Backstreet Boys. The early two-thousands were the era of flash-in-the-pan Pop Music divas, and now it feels like everyone has to fiddle with a sequencer at least once in their set list. Even the Black Eyed Peas went Dubstep.
Don't forget that every generation has its hits that transcend the concept of nostalgia. If Barbra Streisand is still getting broadcast on FM airwaves and anything between Supertramp, Genesis to Led Zepplin still get plenty of exposure, the same can be said of current bigwigs like Céline Dion.
The short of it is it's too early to tell. Not finding your own mark in the decade's production is fine, too - just don't say there's *less* on offer than there used to be, because I won't believe it. Heavy Metal, for instance, has spidered off into so many tangents that there's bound to be something for everyone.
Good call!! There's so much from the 80's that's actually throwbacks to the 50's (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Back to The Future, even the action movies that Stallone and Arnold did were just contemporary Westerns). Like you said, every generation has theirs. Guess in 30 years or so we'll see what that generation looks back on. I'll stay here in the 80's, myself.