In Europe they offer condolences to the family and that’s about it. In the US the family will get a lawyer and sue everyone. The resort for not having safety ropes , Mother Nature for making the mountain and the company that made his skis because they didn’t make him a better skier as promised.
Not really, no. The laws in Utah, Colorado and other states with big ski industries give resorts near complete immunity from suit unless a resort is clearly negligent, and then there are low caps on damage awards. So if the Utah skier in this story here ducked a boundary rope and went out of bounds as indicated, his estate won't even find a lawyer willing to try suing Snowbasin because it will be a waste of time.
Skiing is one of the last activities where one is responsible for their choices and not regulated in its freedom Condolences to the family but why does someone have to be blamed?
The media needs to understand that using the phrase "staying within the safe zones" is not helping. Even though you may stay within the boundaries of a ski area there are still significant risks including conditions that can take your life. Don't turn your brain off just because you are within the boundaries. Ski areas/resorts take measures to mitigate risks but it is impossible to eliminate then.
Tragic as this is. Skiing is an inherently dangerous sport, that may result in injury or death. This has nothing to do with snowbasin, their patrol or any signage.
Too many inexperienced skiers seeing a video and thinking “I can do that”. Unfortunate endings happen especially when they don’t have a sense of the risk.
Go ski in Europe. There may or may not be signs and ropes marking every patch of ice out there. Or marking a thousand foot cliff. You just actually have to be aware, alert and responsible for yourself. It’s just skiing. It isn’t rocket science. Ski areas in the US spend millions on insurance, when they should just be able to say “ski at your own risk” and be done with it. 🤦♂️
anyone know what area they found him in? im thinking somewhere off no name also, you will not lose your pass for going out of bounds, ski patrol has said countless times that it is allowed, but you're on your own..ducking "closed" areas is a different story
Yes, a closed area within resort terrain is definitely off limits, but any area outside patrolled terrain is wilderness or backcountry. "Out of bounds" is inappropriate terminology.
@@misterfunnybonesthis is just wrong, you are always allowed to go to public backcountry, you are very often not allowed to use the ski area to access it. A few ski areas are on or surrounded by private property as well, in which case it would be trespassing.
he fell in bounds? there's a tram that goes to the area he was in. he just decided to hike around "Out of bounds" and then ski a chute he had no business on while everyone watched from John Paul lodge.
Go to the Alps where the mountains are much bigger & steeper & there are no ropes to duck. People & these resorts need to just stick to personal reponsibility & stop being such sissies everytime something bad happens. It's life, there's risk.
"Raises concerns"? Maybe for non backcountry skiers. We dont travel into those zones with safety and rescue equipment because its safe. The dangers are known.
It’s our choice to do the things we enjoy. No one should be allowed to make those choices for us even if they are deadly. As they say “My body my choice”.
Rip to anyone that died, but skill issue if you can’t ski that terrain without a pa!!! Either don’t go on those runs or take a partner with you stay safe everyone!!!
I lived in Reno NV back in the mid 90's. Every year the same warning was repeated. Let someone know where you're going, don't go off by yourself, take water and snacks in your pockets. And every year they were looking for someone. 🤔
@@anitabell3976 yes correct and I'm sure I don't have to tell you you probably already know that there are many out there that have no idea even what a tree well is I'm from Pennsylvania and skeet for 30 years at Big Sky and know all about some of those hidden dangers
It always seems that somehow stupidity and ignorance is found everywhere funny thing is it has a strange way of always showing itself .🌲 . What's a tree well
There is no such thing as "out of bounds." There's patrolled terrain & unpatrolled. Just like the ocean has designated beach swimming areas with lifeguards & most other areas with no lifeguards, crazy shore breaks, rip tide, undertow, rip current, jagged rocky boneyards, not to mention the ubiquitous marine creatures anywhere & everywhere that can hurt humans.
No there is absolutely an out of bounds when you purchase a ski pass and use the lifts to get up the mountain. Once in the ski area, you are expected to abide by the established boundaries and if the ski area allows it, leave it at designated backcountry access points. In Colorado this is now punishable by law in the form of fines and jail time in addition to loosing your pass. Other places it's less defined but you can still get in a ton of trouble with the law, Utah included. The thing most people don't realize is ski patrol, search and rescue, county sheriffs, they all work together, and are often the same people wearing different hats. They also have to take a hard line approach sometimes. Tourists and novices often think they are above the rules or they just don't understand the extreme risk, so they need the additional threat. The backcountry is never closed per se, but there are specific rules regarding using the ski area to access it. For good reason, people put thier own lives at risk every time there is a serious backcountry rescue... or body recovery. Most people don't consider the nuts and bolts of a job like that, it can be extremely dangerous, and they don't get paid enough.
@@danb.709 again, it's patrolled or unpatrolled. Ski resorts have boundaries with patrolled terrain, & any terrain outside that is either "back country" or "wilderness." By your definition every mountaineer is "out of bounds," but they're just climbing mountains in wilderness areas with no patrolled terrain. "Out of bounds" is an improper term for remote wilderness areas.
Out of bounds literally means outside of patrolled boundaries of a resort. If you are "wilderness" because you are outside of the boundaries of a patrolled resort then yes, you'd still be out of bounds. Nobody that skis this stuff ever thinks that way, but snot-nosed kids that become pros by watching TH-cam videos sure do. So yeah, when I'm hiking up and backpacking a chute in one of the cottonwoods, I'm out of bounds. LoL! 😂
@@j.thomas7128 I agree. The problem with the media using it so often with ski resort stories implies that people are doing something wrong when they're "out of bounds" when the term "beyond patrolled terrain" "backcountry" or even "slackcountry" would be more appropriate. "Out of bounds" has literally become pejorative for any inappropriate behaviour. Like you, I'm "out of bounds" all the time & I'm doing nothing wrong or inappropriate. 👍🏼
@@danb.709 when you ride the tram, they literally tell you if you leave Snowbasin terrain, you are on your own and any rescue will be at your expense. They say it’s not recommended to leave Snowbasin terrain, they don’t say it’s not allowed. They also say entering closed Snowbasin terrain can result in loss of your pass. Note “closed”.
Condolences to the family . Skiing is dangerous even in bounds. Your safety depends a lot on the choices you make
Exactly
In bounds no one is having to risk thier lives to save someone, or recover a body.
Duh!! Don't dare blame Snowbasin for this.
Skied out of bounds. Off a cliff. Not familiar with the terrain. Darwin principal at work here.
Anyone who has been on a mountain should be well aware of the dangers regarding out of bounds
In Europe they offer condolences to the family and that’s about it. In the US the family will get a lawyer and sue everyone. The resort for not having safety ropes , Mother Nature for making the mountain and the company that made his skis because they didn’t make him a better skier as promised.
Not really, no. The laws in Utah, Colorado and other states with big ski industries give resorts near complete immunity from suit unless a resort is clearly negligent, and then there are low caps on damage awards. So if the Utah skier in this story here ducked a boundary rope and went out of bounds as indicated, his estate won't even find a lawyer willing to try suing Snowbasin because it will be a waste of time.
Skiing is one of the last activities where one is responsible for their choices and not regulated in its freedom
Condolences to the family but why does someone have to be blamed?
Money. Someone has to pay. Have to blame someone in order to find them liable.
The media needs to understand that using the phrase "staying within the safe zones" is not helping. Even though you may stay within the boundaries of a ski area there are still significant risks including conditions that can take your life. Don't turn your brain off just because you are within the boundaries. Ski areas/resorts take measures to mitigate risks but it is impossible to eliminate then.
Tragic as this is. Skiing is an inherently dangerous sport, that may result in injury or death. This has nothing to do with snowbasin, their patrol or any signage.
The family lawyers will make it about them. This story is the beginning of their case
Safety concerns with out of bounds are already well established, and have been since forever
Just like when SCUBA diving, you should always SCUBA and ski with a partner, especially in extreme terrain like that. Prayers to the family,
Too many inexperienced skiers seeing a video and thinking “I can do that”.
Unfortunate endings happen especially when they don’t have a sense of the risk.
Go ski in Europe. There may or may not be signs and ropes marking every patch of ice out there. Or marking a thousand foot cliff. You just actually have to be aware, alert and responsible for yourself. It’s just skiing. It isn’t rocket science. Ski areas in the US spend millions on insurance, when they should just be able to say “ski at your own risk” and be done with it. 🤦♂️
Lawyers and corporations are gonna be the death of skiing in the US
@vibratingstring and I’m sure they’re making money hand over fist.
So did he duck a rope or exit through a gate?
people die in bounds quite often as well....
But they are easy to get out of there, people often put thier lives at risk when it happens outside the area.
Often? I wonder what qualifies as often regarding inbound fatalities.
anyone know what area they found him in? im thinking somewhere off no name
also, you will not lose your pass for going out of bounds, ski patrol has said countless times that it is allowed, but you're on your own..ducking "closed" areas is a different story
They are saying he was found on John Paul at about 1:30 pm on Monday.
@@koruakillsityes3002was he off the back side of the tram?
Yes, a closed area within resort terrain is definitely off limits, but any area outside patrolled terrain is wilderness or backcountry. "Out of bounds" is inappropriate terminology.
They still expect you to leave through designated access gates and only when it is allowed and open.
@@misterfunnybonesthis is just wrong, you are always allowed to go to public backcountry, you are very often not allowed to use the ski area to access it. A few ski areas are on or surrounded by private property as well, in which case it would be trespassing.
Whats the cause of death? Impact from falling or did he freeze? Not enough information here
acute darwinism
Skied off a cliff. Last run.
he fell in bounds? there's a tram that goes to the area he was in. he just decided to hike around "Out of bounds" and then ski a chute he had no business on while everyone watched from John Paul lodge.
Go to the Alps where the mountains are much bigger & steeper & there are no ropes to duck. People & these resorts need to just stick to personal reponsibility & stop being such sissies everytime something bad happens. It's life, there's risk.
"Raises concerns"? Maybe for non backcountry skiers. We dont travel into those zones with safety and rescue equipment because its safe. The dangers are known.
Why is this a story?
It’s our choice to do the things we enjoy. No one should be allowed to make those choices for us even if they are deadly. As they say “My body my choice”.
Europe has no boundaries at alot of resorts and less people get them self's killed. Let that sink in
Rip to anyone that died, but skill issue if you can’t ski that terrain without a pa!!! Either don’t go on those runs or take a partner with you stay safe everyone!!!
You have to be responsible for yourself, but sometimes ignorance over rides intelligence & common sense.
I lived in Reno NV back in the mid 90's. Every year the same warning was repeated. Let someone know where you're going, don't go off by yourself, take water and snacks in your pockets. And every year they were looking for someone. 🤔
@@anitabell3976 yes correct and I'm sure I don't have to tell you you probably already know that there are many out there that have no idea even what a tree well is I'm from Pennsylvania and skeet for 30 years at Big Sky and know all about some of those hidden dangers
Alot more people are killed in traffic accidents every year, should we make driving illegal too?
These people that use no common sense will eventually make it bad for everybody. But then again aren't you answering at your own risk?
Sad
Lets save everyone. Stay home make sure everything is OSHA compliant don't take risks.👍
We should never let anybody endanger themselves! It's simply too dangerous!
It always seems that somehow stupidity and ignorance is found everywhere funny thing is it has a strange way of always showing itself .🌲 . What's a tree well
There is no such thing as "out of bounds." There's patrolled terrain & unpatrolled. Just like the ocean has designated beach swimming areas with lifeguards & most other areas with no lifeguards, crazy shore breaks, rip tide, undertow, rip current, jagged rocky boneyards, not to mention the ubiquitous marine creatures anywhere & everywhere that can hurt humans.
No there is absolutely an out of bounds when you purchase a ski pass and use the lifts to get up the mountain. Once in the ski area, you are expected to abide by the established boundaries and if the ski area allows it, leave it at designated backcountry access points. In Colorado this is now punishable by law in the form of fines and jail time in addition to loosing your pass. Other places it's less defined but you can still get in a ton of trouble with the law, Utah included. The thing most people don't realize is ski patrol, search and rescue, county sheriffs, they all work together, and are often the same people wearing different hats. They also have to take a hard line approach sometimes. Tourists and novices often think they are above the rules or they just don't understand the extreme risk, so they need the additional threat. The backcountry is never closed per se, but there are specific rules regarding using the ski area to access it. For good reason, people put thier own lives at risk every time there is a serious backcountry rescue... or body recovery. Most people don't consider the nuts and bolts of a job like that, it can be extremely dangerous, and they don't get paid enough.
@@danb.709 again, it's patrolled or unpatrolled. Ski resorts have boundaries with patrolled terrain, & any terrain outside that is either "back country" or "wilderness." By your definition every mountaineer is "out of bounds," but they're just climbing mountains in wilderness areas with no patrolled terrain. "Out of bounds" is an improper term for remote wilderness areas.
Out of bounds literally means outside of patrolled boundaries of a resort. If you are "wilderness" because you are outside of the boundaries of a patrolled resort then yes, you'd still be out of bounds. Nobody that skis this stuff ever thinks that way, but snot-nosed kids that become pros by watching TH-cam videos sure do. So yeah, when I'm hiking up and backpacking a chute in one of the cottonwoods, I'm out of bounds. LoL! 😂
@@j.thomas7128 I agree. The problem with the media using it so often with ski resort stories implies that people are doing something wrong when they're "out of bounds" when the term "beyond patrolled terrain" "backcountry" or even "slackcountry" would be more appropriate. "Out of bounds" has literally become pejorative for any inappropriate behaviour. Like you, I'm "out of bounds" all the time & I'm doing nothing wrong or inappropriate. 👍🏼
@@danb.709 when you ride the tram, they literally tell you if you leave Snowbasin terrain, you are on your own and any rescue will be at your expense. They say it’s not recommended to leave Snowbasin terrain, they don’t say it’s not allowed. They also say entering closed Snowbasin terrain can result in loss of your pass. Note “closed”.
To truly know the Wilderness one must go to it alone, as one would go to a sweetheart!..." Louis L'Amour"
Another winner of the Darwin Award.