good to see some new questions being asked Brian, I felt Cory took a hot minute to warm up to you in part one of the video, must have thought you would be asking the same old same old, but he was in his stride for part 2, great videos
I've met Cory a number of times in the past, but I can't imagine he has the time to watch my channel. Without that personal experience, all he knows is that I'm some guy on TH-cam. Once he saw the caliber of the questions, and that they were actually thought out and considered, it was likely more fun for him to be part of it.
Yes Your gift is the well organized and comprehensive way that you ask your questions, and also who you are able to ask. You and Munro Associates make a great team.
I thought it was the weak attachment points to the giga casting in the front that had Cory considering it more like unibody than exoskeleton. Thanks for the best CT discussion of the weekend.
Having worked on helicopters where the skin is a stressed member of the structure, but still has internal stringers and formers… but many would consider aircraft to have a more exoskeleton approach.
It will be great if the EV industry can standardize on several features. 1). The low voltage should be made 48 volts instead of 12Volts. (The automobile industry previously standardized on 12 volts and phased out 6 volts). 2). The charging connector should be standardized and it appears that it should be the Tesla NACS is the overall winner. 3). The high voltage system should probably be standardized to 800 volts. This will save on the amount of copper needed and more importantly will probably lower the cost of the lower current carbide power semiconductors required. This would be a big problem for Tesla and it's 400 volt Super Charger network. (There may be some valid reasons for Tesla not increasing the voltage to 800 volts.) At this early stage of EV adoption, standardizing the features that will affect the end user should be of paramount importance.
1) Look for companies to migrate to 48v components as Tesla gets suppliers to develop them. Moving from 6v to 12v happened but things largely stopped there because no company was willing to commit to purchasing enough higher voltage stuff to get suppliers to produce. 2) NACS in North America. Perhaps South America as well. Europe and Asia? Perhaps not. What they are using may be too well embedded and 'good enough'. 3) I think Tesla has said that moving to 800v/a higher voltage would be beneficial but not beneficial to redesign existing products. I wonder if we might see a future shared casting system for Models S and X along with a Tesla minibus. That might be the time to redesign those products.
Awesome video, i’ve really come to appreciate your technical knowledge and your thorough understanding of so many different parts of Tesla from manufacturing to construction. great job, evolving your channel into an indispensable resource. ❤😊
I appreciate that. I've worked for years to sharpen my skills on these subjects. I take rare opportunities to meet with experts very seriously, and I always invest a lot of time preparing. I'm glad it shows in the finished product.
Legacy OEMs when they say, "All New!" What they really mean is, we made some minor visual changes so you can tell the difference, and maybe fixed a thing or two, then we updated the infotainment, while reducing costs and quality. "Now at a new higher price with nothing of value added!" would be more accurate.
At least the case 20 years ago was that they would make mostly cosmetic changes and increase the price roughly in line within inflation. While the sticker price was higher, it was still going to be a slightly better value due to ongoing improvements within the platform. Of course what buyers actually pay for a car is entirely detached from the MSRP when it comes to legacy auto, but still worth noting.
Excellent! No matter who it is doing the interview (even me) there are always deeper questions that could be asked, and that's where I try to bring value.
More great stuff! You are really getting some great interviews. I’m kind of jealous that you are out meeting so many people in the industry. I would like to have been a fly on the wall when the camera was off.
Stainless steel comes in different qualities. Some are better than others when it comes to salt resistance. This is important for marine use but a car, not continually submerged in saltwater, can do with less extreme alloys.
With Tesla the process never ends constant improvement and then more improvements either cost reduction or new innovation are using new parts when parts are not available. Tesla is a forward moving technology, nothing gets in the way and they never say no or give up====> That's a success story for any company model
When it was announced, I understood it to be like a folded steel structure, and therefore, that dictated the overall design. I also think the designer said at one point that the design wasn't as efficient (aerodynamically) as it could be due to this manufacturing technique (folded metal ) . I know things change as innovation occurs and the gigacastings are impressive, and I am all in. Just hope I remembered things correctly.😂
Wow that was really great stuff... I appreciated the whole exoskeleton clarification, which of course was blown out of proportion, because, well, of course that's what we do.
Right? A difference without a whole lot of distinction. The extra strength provided may not be needed for many applications, but it does suggest it will have far greater strength than other pickups.
@@FutureAZA oh, I am quite certain that someone will do that "fully loaded bed frame torture test" on the CyberTruck... Some of those videos are pretty great, like "how to quickly and effectively destroy your brand new pickup"...
It's interesting that Munro has lots of table space and warehouse space dedicated to parts layout of the Model S and Model 3, and those projects were completed years ago. Maybe they have other customers who tour the facility and they can demonstrate the detail of their work?
Thanks! I figure simplicity should be my thing. Most of the other channels have walls filled with trophies and toys, but I'm happy letting my content tell folks who I am.
His point was that the cabin is both structural and of a unibody design. It's my opinion that there's overlap in the structural elements within that portion of the vehicle, but that the megacastings and structural battery packs are doing a lot of the heavy lifting. We'll know better awfully soon.
Can't do it. If I get any prettier it will distract from the message. Can't have viewers zoning out enraptured with these stunning looks my friend. There will come a day in the not too distant future where the choice is made by my genetics instead, but until then, I'm hanging on to every last wisp I have.
I think that's fair. The traditional frame rails that run the length of a traditional pickup have serve trucks well, but that doesn't mean they are the best solution. Especially when the battery already requires a rigid structure to support it.
The cybertruck just looks like what has for a long time been described as a, 'monocoque', this is nothing new and even monpcoques incorporated a front and rear subframe, the 'exoskeleton' term seems to be applied simply because the outer skin of the vehicle contributes more strength to the chassis than is normal, and this is likely due to it's highly triangulated and flat pannel design.
I do wonder if the advent of giga castings has either somewhat compromised the purity of design of CT or the execution of the original, at scale, proved too difficult/inefficient resulting in this hybrid structure we now see. At these times I wonder if Elon ever regrets going so off piste with CT.
Not necessarily. If the doors, hinges, and latches are adequately engineered then they would operate as integral parts of the exoskeleton. Unlike panels that are welded together they would be attached in a different, but sufficient, manner.
With ford and GM going with aluminum for weight savings they are seeing catastrophic failure of the truck beds due to weight distribution. Dumping a load of gravel into an aluminum truck bed they can peel open like a banana. I think the stainless steel is going to seal the deal when the Cybertruck comes out.
Have we seen examples of aluminum bed failures? I'm not doubting it could happen, just haven't seen it actually happen. The Cybertruck looks like it will be one tough cookie. Those trucks may stay on the road for multiple millions of miles.
@bobwallace9753 Yes! There's a video on TH-cam I saw showing it. They're great for fuel economy, but apparently they went a tad too thin for the sake of the loads they're intended to carry.
The OEMs need to replace their best selling cars with EVs within just a few years. That means they should be thinking about faster production right now! They should be thinking like Tesla for at least a few years already!
@@MoreOnEVs Cut out the damaged part and weld in new stuff. Like any other vehicle whether repairs are made or the vehicle scrapped will depend on the extent of the damage. Given that the Cybertruck will have a much stronger than typical body it's likely to take a larger crash to turn a Cybertruck into scrap. And since there is no internal frame it might be simpler to make repairs. Frame damage in a typical car/truck usually means insurance companies will scrap rather than repair.
Sandy Munro interview titled "Electrify Expo 2023 LB Industry Day: Tearing Apart The Competition Literally" on youtube by "Electrify TV" channel. Lucid has a better power train than Tesla; according to Sandy Munro. Cory is really smart too.
That's not what the actual munro live teardown showed directly comparing them recently. The lucid motor has a 22# overall weight advantage, but doesn't make anywhere near the rated hp they claim it will. But the plaid has dynoed over its actual wheel hp&tq numbers on multiple occasions. And has been proven through 2+year's of sales and 50,000+model s&x plaids made. 👍🏻
The unibody is an exoskeleton.....The exoskeleton of an arthropod is comprised of three core layers: an outer layer of protein, an epicutical, and a procuticle. Cory did say there are 3 layers, right? The inner structure the secondary inner and the outer....sounds very similar
That's because they are, Tesla did not say they invented all the ideas to make a car, just a better implementation. They did not invent the giga-casting, just used an idea that was sitting there waiting for someone bold enough to change the way things are done. What they invented along with others willing to help, was a machine that could actually work and then improved it. There are many good ideas never used because no one wants to take a chance on it. That's why Elon is a genius, he sees things that others don't see.
I wondered the same thing initially. But I think what Cory is saying is that - currently - the gigacastings are much simpler and faster to produce. But regarding cost (ie. Brian's question), that will come down over time.
No. He's saying that if a company has already spent money on multiple stamping machines and assembly robots then it may not make as much financial sense to toss away all that paid off equipment and spend money on large casting machines. What I don't think Corey is picking up on is Tesla's route to a fully automated factory. Giga casting and box construction will make it simpler to remove humans from the factory. It's interesting how Elon can tell people "Here's what we are going to do" and then they ignore him. "Going to do" sometimes has to be modified as Tesla works its way into places we've never been before.
The other replies are pretty much right on the money. GigaCastings have a high up-front cost, which takes significant time (and units) to amortize. If you're only going to build in small numbers, a GigaCasting is likely to never make sense, much like how robots don't make sense if you're only making a few dozen. What I heard him saying is that the Model Y GigaCastings already introduce enough savings to make it almost as cheap as the Model 3, despite it using significantly more material to produce. Once the Model 3 incorporates those efficiencies, it will again be the clearly cheaper car to build. Hope that helps.
Dying to ask this question, with the advent of all the other car companies converting to the Tesla charging platform, what would they have to do to convert their cars to employ Tesla's full self driving platform? This would probably involve more than just changing to a NAC adapter.
Far more than the charger itself for sure. The size and placement of the necessary cameras would not be too challenging for most cars to introduce, but there's also the matter of making room for the computer itself, and whatever wiring and other considerations come along with that. If the cameras can be adapted in terms of placement to work on the CyberTruck and Semi, there's no reason they couldn't work on virtually any car, so long as there's room inside the B-pillar to place the camera with an unobstructed view.
@@FutureAZA “We moved the mass to the outside. We created an exoskeleton,” Musk said at the 2019 reveal. lie: 1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2: to create a false or misleading impression It's not an exoskeleton = lie.
Would you call an airplane exoskeleton? I mean, it has a frame within it, but the structural integrity relies on the skin in ways that are not true of most cars.
the comparison for EXO Skeleton should be to a TRUCK, not for a sedan. the cyber TRUCK does not have a "chassis cab" as other trucks and therefor is an EXO Skeleton.
It's a fun mental exercise. The real test will be how much more performance we'll see based on the final weight. I think Cybertruck is going to crush it on that front.
It took a while for the rest of the mass-market car industry to catch up with Henry Ford. Tesla have taken the modern-day part of Ford and it will take a while for others to catch up with Tesla’s innovations. Fortunately for the rest of the EV industry, Tesla, for the common good, are making most of their innovations and advances open source.
The interviewer kept interrupting him and moving on before he got to his point. I kept wanting to hear more of what he said, but the interviewer would interrupt and move on I might be annoyed at that too.
This par is great. But when Cory talking his bias opinion, and not facts as in previews part... but in this try hold to reality. Because his comments on Cybertruck are true, but on Model S Plaid are BS, because if this was so easy, other would do it, and Tesla would not put so much time to get to this numbers.
I think his point is more that it's easier to add 3-4 small motors to get big performance than it is to engineer a single engine with the same output. A Civic motor has good performance, but jamming three of them into a car would prove challenging and impractical.
@@FutureAZA so he is ignoring problems, and if Tesla don't have to, they would not add carbon fiber warping, so he ignoring it too. I watch few interview with Cory in last months, and my personal opinion is that he become sell person more than technical, because you must remember that companies as Ford and GM are or can be they clients, so he as CEO can't talk bad about them, and can't say that competitors are much better. So he downplaying Tesla, and talk more positively about competitors and is silence about they problems. BTW Tesla is not they client, so... sad but IMO money talks.
Well, I mean, it's not a picture of the finished product. It's supposed to embody the lowest cost, most efficient build possible. In what ways does it feel cheap to you?
Cybertrunk will just be unibody. Exoskeleton is just Elon trying to be like Apple and use a new word for existing tech to make it sound like it's something new and revolutionary in order to create rabid hype and drive his stock price up.
Nonsense. Any damage sufficient to compromise a casting would cause even more damage to stamped components. If the gigacasting is compromised, that car was already going to be totaled.
Was never into engineering before diving into Tesla, now I soak up all I can. Great interview, great questions too Brian.
Awesome, thank you!
good to see some new questions being asked Brian, I felt Cory took a hot minute to warm up to you in part one of the video, must have thought you would be asking the same old same old, but he was in his stride for part 2, great videos
I felt the same way. He seemed very reserved at first and took a while for the nerves to come down
I've met Cory a number of times in the past, but I can't imagine he has the time to watch my channel. Without that personal experience, all he knows is that I'm some guy on TH-cam. Once he saw the caliber of the questions, and that they were actually thought out and considered, it was likely more fun for him to be part of it.
Congrats Cory: Intriguing concise observational practicality comparison analysis.
The door apertures in the CT would make it difficult to purely rely on the hard outer shell as they are not a fixed part of the entire car.
Have you examined the door locks and hinges?
Love the in-depth analysis. Cory (and Munro in general) now have such a wealth of engineering knowledge about EV construction. So interesting.
Great detailed engineering detail provided Cory!
Munro group has enlightened us all in a way no one else ever could. Thanks for your vid and efforts
Yes Your gift is the well organized and comprehensive way that you ask your questions, and also who you are able to ask. You and Munro Associates make a great team.
I thought it was the weak attachment points to the giga casting in the front that had Cory considering it more like unibody than exoskeleton.
Thanks for the best CT discussion of the weekend.
Fascinating insights.... You put a lot to rest in that bad-boy.... Interesting how Tesla's advantages are just off-the charts...
Having worked on helicopters where the skin is a stressed member of the structure, but still has internal stringers and formers… but many would consider aircraft to have a more exoskeleton approach.
Totally fair point.
Super hard shell-on unibody. VW Rabbit Truck, Extraordinaire!!
It will be great if the EV industry can standardize on several features.
1). The low voltage should be made 48 volts instead of 12Volts. (The automobile industry previously standardized on 12 volts and phased out 6 volts).
2). The charging connector should be standardized and it appears that it should be the Tesla NACS
is the overall winner.
3). The high voltage system should probably be standardized to 800 volts. This will save on the amount of
copper needed and more importantly will probably lower the cost of the lower current carbide power
semiconductors required. This would be a big problem for Tesla and it's 400 volt Super Charger
network. (There may be some valid reasons for Tesla not increasing the voltage to 800 volts.)
At this early stage of EV adoption, standardizing the features that will affect the end user should be of paramount importance.
1) Look for companies to migrate to 48v components as Tesla gets suppliers to develop them. Moving from 6v to 12v happened but things largely stopped there because no company was willing to commit to purchasing enough higher voltage stuff to get suppliers to produce.
2) NACS in North America. Perhaps South America as well. Europe and Asia? Perhaps not. What they are using may be too well embedded and 'good enough'.
3) I think Tesla has said that moving to 800v/a higher voltage would be beneficial but not beneficial to redesign existing products. I wonder if we might see a future shared casting system for Models S and X along with a Tesla minibus. That might be the time to redesign those products.
Awesome video, i’ve really come to appreciate your technical knowledge and your thorough understanding of so many different parts of Tesla from manufacturing to construction. great job, evolving your channel into an indispensable resource. ❤😊
I appreciate that. I've worked for years to sharpen my skills on these subjects. I take rare opportunities to meet with experts very seriously, and I always invest a lot of time preparing. I'm glad it shows in the finished product.
Thanks for this. I have been bothered by this question for a long time. Corey is the right person to ask.
Glad to help! Since they were the first to challenge that label, it only made sense to go straight to the source.
Great interview! Keep up the great work!
Legacy OEMs when they say, "All New!" What they really mean is, we made some minor visual changes so you can tell the difference, and maybe fixed a thing or two, then we updated the infotainment, while reducing costs and quality.
"Now at a new higher price with nothing of value added!" would be more accurate.
At least the case 20 years ago was that they would make mostly cosmetic changes and increase the price roughly in line within inflation. While the sticker price was higher, it was still going to be a slightly better value due to ongoing improvements within the platform. Of course what buyers actually pay for a car is entirely detached from the MSRP when it comes to legacy auto, but still worth noting.
Geely sells and has open sourced completely the sea ev only platform.
It underpins the zeekr 01&x, the smart #1&3 model's, the lotus eletre etc.
Great information, thank you for pointing me in that direction.
@@FutureAZA you are most welcome. Thank you for everything you do covering evs&especially tesla. 👍🏻😎
I absolutely am better informed now! Thanks for this excellent interview.
Excellent! No matter who it is doing the interview (even me) there are always deeper questions that could be asked, and that's where I try to bring value.
More great stuff! You are really getting some great interviews. I’m kind of jealous that you are out meeting so many people in the industry. I would like to have been a fly on the wall when the camera was off.
There wasn't much that wasn't filmed. We were both on tight schedules. It was a very interesting visit though. You'd have loved it.
Stainless steel comes in different qualities. Some are better than others when it comes to salt resistance. This is important for marine use but a car, not continually submerged in saltwater, can do with less extreme alloys.
I'm confident their metallurgical scientists have the capacity to determine the best cost:performance ratio.
Great questions! We got a lot of stuff no one else has dug into. Well done!
Cory knows his stuff!
Inside out, it seems.
Very nice job getting the guy in blue out of the shot.
Nicely done Brian
Thank you kindly!
The Floor supports the Wheels, the Body should be Roll cage-like.
Cory is awesome! Love these vids!
Glad you like them!
Very good questions Brian.
Glad you think so! I put a lot of work into composing my topics and questions, and revise them daily for weeks in advance whenever possible.
@@FutureAZA It shows. Corey seemed very interested and happy to share his knowledge. 👏🏼👏🏼
Cory is a wealth of info
Without a doubt!
Good job Corey. Thanks for your helpful interview. This is very informative.
With Tesla the process never ends constant improvement and then more improvements either cost reduction or new innovation are using new parts when parts are not available. Tesla is a forward moving technology, nothing gets in the way and they never say no or give up====> That's a success story for any company model
THANKS BRIAN,🤗 FOR FINISHING UP THIS INTERVIEW…🧐 SO MUCH MORE TO LEARN…IN THE FUTURE 👍😎💚💚💚
Enlightening as always, when any of you is involved!
Such great content!
When it was announced, I understood it to be like a folded steel structure, and therefore, that dictated the overall design. I also think the designer said at one point that the design wasn't as efficient (aerodynamically) as it could be due to this manufacturing technique (folded metal ) . I know things change as innovation occurs and the gigacastings are impressive, and I am all in. Just hope I remembered things correctly.😂
Your memory is correct. It's also why the shell is 3mm thick instead of the usual 1.2mm. It's needed for the structural integrity.
Wow that was really great stuff...
I appreciated the whole exoskeleton clarification, which of course was blown out of proportion, because, well, of course that's what we do.
Right? A difference without a whole lot of distinction. The extra strength provided may not be needed for many applications, but it does suggest it will have far greater strength than other pickups.
@@FutureAZA oh, I am quite certain that someone will do that "fully loaded bed frame torture test" on the CyberTruck...
Some of those videos are pretty great, like "how to quickly and effectively destroy your brand new pickup"...
Excellent work Brian. Thank you
Very welcome!
MOAR Cory!
It's interesting that Munro has lots of table space and warehouse space dedicated to parts layout of the Model S and Model 3, and those projects were completed years ago. Maybe they have other customers who tour the facility and they can demonstrate the detail of their work?
That first room is essentially their showroom. The total space on site is gigantic and I only got to see a fraction of it.
I love your lemon tree btw
Thanks! I figure simplicity should be my thing. Most of the other channels have walls filled with trophies and toys, but I'm happy letting my content tell folks who I am.
It Was Great Thank You ,
Glad it was helpful!
Yeah well you're showing the chassis but there are body panels: fenders, etc. that go on top. On the CT these are not a separate outer layer.
His point was that the cabin is both structural and of a unibody design. It's my opinion that there's overlap in the structural elements within that portion of the vehicle, but that the megacastings and structural battery packs are doing a lot of the heavy lifting. We'll know better awfully soon.
Exoskeleton and Unibody are great ways of manufactures making it sound cool but it’s really just them cutting cost on “removable” parts…
Good stuff Brian...
Hey. Just a personal observation. You have a good dome...clean it up. Go bald bro...I'm there and I love it...😂😂😂
Can't do it. If I get any prettier it will distract from the message. Can't have viewers zoning out enraptured with these stunning looks my friend. There will come a day in the not too distant future where the choice is made by my genetics instead, but until then, I'm hanging on to every last wisp I have.
This is a truck, so transitional trucks have more of an endoskeleton, so the CT is more exoskeleton in comparison.
I think that's fair. The traditional frame rails that run the length of a traditional pickup have serve trucks well, but that doesn't mean they are the best solution. Especially when the battery already requires a rigid structure to support it.
Great talk!
The cybertruck just looks like what has for a long time been described as a, 'monocoque', this is nothing new and even monpcoques incorporated a front and rear subframe, the 'exoskeleton' term seems to be applied simply because the outer skin of the vehicle contributes more strength to the chassis than is normal, and this is likely due to it's highly triangulated and flat pannel design.
Another home run.
👍
Interesting
Nice interview!
Thank you!
I do wonder if the advent of giga castings has either somewhat compromised the purity of design of CT or the execution of the original, at scale, proved too difficult/inefficient resulting in this hybrid structure we now see.
At these times I wonder if Elon ever regrets going so off piste with CT.
This has been the design all along.
Great interview 👍🏽🙏🏽
Much appreciated!
Exellent.
Doors kind of screw up exoskeleton.
Not necessarily. If the doors, hinges, and latches are adequately engineered then they would operate as integral parts of the exoskeleton. Unlike panels that are welded together they would be attached in a different, but sufficient, manner.
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With ford and GM going with aluminum for weight savings they are seeing catastrophic failure of the truck beds due to weight distribution. Dumping a load of gravel into an aluminum truck bed they can peel open like a banana. I think the stainless steel is going to seal the deal when the Cybertruck comes out.
Have we seen examples of aluminum bed failures? I'm not doubting it could happen, just haven't seen it actually happen.
The Cybertruck looks like it will be one tough cookie. Those trucks may stay on the road for multiple millions of miles.
@bobwallace9753 Yes! There's a video on TH-cam I saw showing it. They're great for fuel economy, but apparently they went a tad too thin for the sake of the loads they're intended to carry.
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The OEMs need to replace their best selling cars with EVs within just a few years. That means they should be thinking about faster production right now! They should be thinking like Tesla for at least a few years already!
So if there is a true exoskeleton in any part of the vehicle would that mean a fender bender could make the truck undriveable?
A fender bender is a minor collision.
@@bobwallace9753 even if the fender is structural?
@@MoreOnEVs
Cut out the damaged part and weld in new stuff.
Like any other vehicle whether repairs are made or the vehicle scrapped will depend on the extent of the damage. Given that the Cybertruck will have a much stronger than typical body it's likely to take a larger crash to turn a Cybertruck into scrap.
And since there is no internal frame it might be simpler to make repairs. Frame damage in a typical car/truck usually means insurance companies will scrap rather than repair.
The real answer will be towing. Where are the stress points when pulling a 14,000 pound trailer.
Brian , I am the old blond (gray) at the T club In Ann Arbor. My first gathering with Tesla People. Would like to spend more time with Tesla friends.
It was such a great event, and next year is going to be even bigger.
Sandy Munro interview titled "Electrify Expo 2023 LB Industry Day: Tearing Apart The Competition Literally" on youtube by "Electrify TV" channel. Lucid has a better power train than Tesla; according to Sandy Munro. Cory is really smart too.
That's not what the actual munro live teardown showed directly comparing them recently.
The lucid motor has a 22# overall weight advantage, but doesn't make anywhere near the rated hp they claim it will.
But the plaid has dynoed over its actual wheel hp&tq numbers on multiple occasions. And has been proven through 2+year's of sales and 50,000+model s&x plaids made. 👍🏻
The unibody is an exoskeleton.....The exoskeleton of an arthropod is comprised of three core layers: an outer layer of protein, an epicutical, and a procuticle. Cory did say there are 3 layers, right? The inner structure the secondary inner and the outer....sounds very similar
That's because they are, Tesla did not say they invented all the ideas to make a car, just a better implementation. They did not invent the giga-casting, just used an idea that was sitting there waiting for someone bold enough to change the way things are done. What they invented along with others willing to help, was a machine that could actually work and then improved it. There are many good ideas never used because no one wants to take a chance on it. That's why Elon is a genius, he sees things that others don't see.
So is Cory saying there isn’t much advantage to giga casting?
I wondered the same thing initially. But I think what Cory is saying is that - currently - the gigacastings are much simpler and faster to produce. But regarding cost (ie. Brian's question), that will come down over time.
No. He's saying that if a company has already spent money on multiple stamping machines and assembly robots then it may not make as much financial sense to toss away all that paid off equipment and spend money on large casting machines.
What I don't think Corey is picking up on is Tesla's route to a fully automated factory. Giga casting and box construction will make it simpler to remove humans from the factory.
It's interesting how Elon can tell people "Here's what we are going to do" and then they ignore him.
"Going to do" sometimes has to be modified as Tesla works its way into places we've never been before.
The other replies are pretty much right on the money. GigaCastings have a high up-front cost, which takes significant time (and units) to amortize. If you're only going to build in small numbers, a GigaCasting is likely to never make sense, much like how robots don't make sense if you're only making a few dozen.
What I heard him saying is that the Model Y GigaCastings already introduce enough savings to make it almost as cheap as the Model 3, despite it using significantly more material to produce. Once the Model 3 incorporates those efficiencies, it will again be the clearly cheaper car to build.
Hope that helps.
Dying to ask this question, with the advent of all the other car companies converting to the Tesla charging platform, what would they have to do to convert their cars to employ Tesla's full self driving platform? This would probably involve more than just changing to a NAC adapter.
Far more than the charger itself for sure. The size and placement of the necessary cameras would not be too challenging for most cars to introduce, but there's also the matter of making room for the computer itself, and whatever wiring and other considerations come along with that.
If the cameras can be adapted in terms of placement to work on the CyberTruck and Semi, there's no reason they couldn't work on virtually any car, so long as there's room inside the B-pillar to place the camera with an unobstructed view.
a lot of words to just avoid saying that Musk lied (again).
You should look up the definition of "lie".
@@FutureAZA “We moved the mass to the outside. We created an exoskeleton,” Musk said at the 2019 reveal.
lie:
1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2: to create a false or misleading impression
It's not an exoskeleton = lie.
@@FutureAZA any other word you need me to look up for you? i know google is hard, so i am here to help...
So yes, it is a unibody. Elon just likes to makeup new words for things that already exist.
Would you call an airplane exoskeleton? I mean, it has a frame within it, but the structural integrity relies on the skin in ways that are not true of most cars.
the comparison for EXO Skeleton should be to a TRUCK, not for a sedan. the cyber TRUCK does not have a "chassis cab" as other trucks and therefor is an EXO Skeleton.
It's a fun mental exercise. The real test will be how much more performance we'll see based on the final weight. I think Cybertruck is going to crush it on that front.
Burj al Arab has an exoskeleton.
What’s that please?
That's a great example.
It took a while for the rest of the mass-market car industry to catch up with Henry Ford. Tesla have taken the modern-day part of Ford and it will take a while for others to catch up with Tesla’s innovations. Fortunately for the rest of the EV industry, Tesla, for the common good, are making most of their innovations and advances open source.
I think Corey's ready to run for office now that he's mastered the politically correct answer that can be construed either way
Exoskeleton is just a marketing buzzword created by Tesla and Musk. It's meaningless.
Cory seems annoyed
Yes, don't know why he would be unless he was just busy and needed to get on with something. I thought the questions he was asked were pretty good.
Getting bugged with messages on his watch. It’s not about the interview I think.
The interviewer kept interrupting him and moving on before he got to his point. I kept wanting to hear more of what he said, but the interviewer would interrupt and move on I might be annoyed at that too.
More like very defensive because what he said is counter to the guy actually responsible for fkn building the truck itself. 😀
He warms up as the interview goes on.
All that running shrunk Cory’s fat fingers. Did you catch him easily sliding his wedding ring up and down?
He's worked very hard to get in the shape he is, and he looks great for it.
@@FutureAZA I agree and congrats on your show’s success. You are one of my faves in the Tesla YT space!
This par is great.
But when Cory talking his bias opinion, and not facts as in previews part... but in this try hold to reality. Because his comments on Cybertruck are true, but on Model S Plaid are BS, because if this was so easy, other would do it, and Tesla would not put so much time to get to this numbers.
I think his point is more that it's easier to add 3-4 small motors to get big performance than it is to engineer a single engine with the same output. A Civic motor has good performance, but jamming three of them into a car would prove challenging and impractical.
@@FutureAZA so he is ignoring problems, and if Tesla don't have to, they would not add carbon fiber warping, so he ignoring it too.
I watch few interview with Cory in last months, and my personal opinion is that he become sell person more than technical, because you must remember that companies as Ford and GM are or can be they clients, so he as CEO can't talk bad about them, and can't say that competitors are much better. So he downplaying Tesla, and talk more positively about competitors and is silence about they problems.
BTW Tesla is not they client, so...
sad but IMO money talks.
ngl, feels kinda cheap for some reason...
Well, I mean, it's not a picture of the finished product. It's supposed to embody the lowest cost, most efficient build possible. In what ways does it feel cheap to you?
Cybertrunk will just be unibody. Exoskeleton is just Elon trying to be like Apple and use a new word for existing tech to make it sound like it's something new and revolutionary in order to create rabid hype and drive his stock price up.
Great content. I sub’d.
Awesome, thank you!
Megacasting is to save Tesla money, as a consumer, it cannot be repaired.
Nonsense. Any damage sufficient to compromise a casting would cause even more damage to stamped components. If the gigacasting is compromised, that car was already going to be totaled.