Congratulations on your work, here is a situation where a man's love and emotions for an ailing machinery , makes him work so hard to save its life. This video took me many years back to my younger days when we used to maintain large rotating machines and as they were used where there were impulsive loads we had to use plain bearings as you so skilfully made as ball and roller bearings were not suitable. I remember learning about the metallurgy of bearing metal which had to be soft with some hard stuff to keep it from creeping. We used two oil rings which were inserted on the shaft and hanged on it and whose lower end dipped in an oil bath and as the shaft rotated them through the rings touching the upper part of the shaft, the bearing was lubricated amply. They were good bearings and as I worked for the British Admiralty, they had to be very reliable even when guns fired and impulses were suffered by the motor. Sir thank you for bringing back so many pleasant memories.
+Carmel Pule' Thanks for you kind words and informative commentary. It looks like you had an interesting career. While I was aware of babbit bearings, I had never had cause to work with or replace any...so this was a learning curve for me. Thanks to fellow TH-camrs and other research, I finally figured it out. The babbit I used is high in tin content; better to accommodate the higher speed of the cutter head. As with all babbit, I make sure there is plenty oil sloshing around! I expect this bearing to "see me out" :-) Best regards & happy New Year! M
That heat resistant putty when in place as it is being used is called a "tinkers dam". It is great seeing a beautiful piece of equipment being restored in this manner.
+Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast Yep. "worthless as a tinker's dam" is as a result of the throwaway nature of both the excess casting material and the clay putty dam itself. The putty becomes dry and brittle in the process of the casting and it becomes contaminated with the material of the casting. Of course the other spelling "tinker's damn" is as a result of the propensity of "tinker's" to use vulgar language, most likely as a result of their being burned during their work of in the repair of pots pans etc. Today "tinker's" are known as "metal smiths" and of course the source of the sir name "Smith" and "Smithy"
+Quartzsite Business Can't have it :-) I was very lucky to be given this machine. It has been a lot of work so far, but now looking forward to many more productive yars of use. Thanks for watching, M By the way, between videos, you can now follow me on Instagram @markerbuoy Cheers, M
Thank you for sharing this. I've recently been more involved at this certain museum where we mill lumber and many other things. Someone dropped off an old plane very much like yours about 20 years ago but nobody's ever taken the time to clean it up and get it working again. Also like yours, it's obviously also belt driven, and I'd like to keep it that way if I can. Just makes sense to me that if you're going to work with ancient equipment, have it run the same way they did.
That's a great piece of kit, I hope you get plenty of useage out of it. Also great to see you are not afraid to try so many things to get your desired result.
+steve griffiths As my neighbour in town says, it's an SMO...See Me Out :-) Looking forward to many more years of heavy duty planing. Thanks for watching. Cheers, M
Hey Randall, I was inspired by others on TH-cam: This Old Tony and Keith Rucker in particular. The planer is invaluable for rough wide boards - not the finest finish but a time saver. My house in town was built around 1905 and I see evidence of planer marks left by similar machines from that time. I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers, M
That’s awesome, I want to find a old large planer that I can convert over to a gas motor and you are the first person that I have seen do it. Great video thank you!
Older and more primitive than my 1977 Japanese planer but the same 2 blade concept, with heavy duty blades. Mine is a 13 inch planer, all cast iron frame and includes a long bed jointer of 9 inches. My machine will plane quite fine and like yours can easily take off an eighth inch on softwood. One advantage of a 2 blade machine is only two blades to change, sharpen and setup. My infeed roller looks just like yours too, with the square steel ribs and it works great. Kudos to you indeed being off grid, I've got a 2.2 Kw 3 Phase 200V motor on mine.
Hey Jim, More primitive, but still running! I'm aware of the unit you enjoy and you definitely have one of Makita's best. My neighbour in town has an old, refurbished 15" makita planer - like yours, all cast iron but with a powerful 110v motor. Beautiful machine. Here's how I got around blade changes in my small benchtop DeWalt - th-cam.com/video/D5U6vBd8-oI/w-d-xo.html Cheers, M
I knew a timber miller in Washington state who used one of those. He swore by it because it could take heavy cuts without bogging up. Personally there is no freakin way I would ever use a square head and if those slotted knives did ever come loose, God help you.
Definitely have to be carful around old machinery like this. Health and safety was not an issue when this stuff was made. Very useful for those single pass deeper cuts! Hopefully god is on my side...Cheers, M
@@markerbuoy The danger comes when knives hit a large dense hard knot and pull on it. I've only had a knife move on me once but it was stopped by the wedge section chip breaker gib. Thank God. A lot of mill hands torque the shit out of their cutterhead bolts using a pipe on the wrench. But that can cause the knives to crack and that's even worse. Nobody should have any romantic illusions about some of that older machinery. Vintage does not always mean quality. The velocity on a broken knife is frightening to witness. It will smash shit up and go through wall's.
....will you not need to cut a oil groove into the new Babbitt and open the oil cup on the top as well?..............what will lubricate it?..........beautiful old machine, great work.
+Rick L Hi Rick, There were enough small voids in the top pour that (with modification) I deemed sufficient to allow oil to flow. I must admit, I did not formally make an oil groove in the bottom shell. I have now permanently installed the oiler I show in the video. The oil drips liberally into the reservoir in the top cast iron shell (reservoir is loosely packed with cotton) and enters the top half of the bearing through three large holes, as provided in the original design. I allowed the bearing to "run in" with lots of oil before committing to heavy use. The new babbitt I used is high in tin - more suitable for higher speed. The bearing is now smooth and secure; I frequently check the oil and monitor the temperature - so far so good! Thanks for watching and your enquiry... Happy new year :-) M
Great video, love these old machines. Can I try and pick your brain for a bit of advice? A mate has a large 3 phase planer with a drum and two blades. It is pushing well over 60 years old or so.The drum pulls a hell of a lot of revs and takes a good 30 seconds to wind up.yesterday he replaced the blades with some high tensile carbine blades recommended by his machine shop. They are however Chinese made. Last night he gave a demo of the machine winding up, and without feeding any timber through it. While the machine was in the start up process, and as the revs increased, the blades shattered sending shrapnel flying through the shed. It would have been fatal if anyone was unlucky enough to be hit. Both blades fractured in the same area, about half way along the blades which would be about 16 inches in length. We were left scratching our heads trying to figure out why. Can you advise the changeover process for the blades? There is about 6 large bolts that cause a vice like clamp along the length of the blades. Should these be set at a specific torque setting? My mate did it by hand and while they all seemed of even pressure, we were thinking that the slightest difference in pressure may have caused the high tensile blades to be set uneven or with a bend in them. Any advice you can offer? Cheers, Kev from Australia.
Hi Kev from Australia, I'm so sorry to hear of your mate's planer misadventure. My only thought is that there may be the possibility that the tightening bolts were pressing directly on the blades, instead of them applying pressure via the clamp running the full length of the blades. i.e. the clamping mechanism was inadvertently installed backwards, as it were. this would certainly result in local stress on the blades, around each tightened bolt head. If, indeed the blade clamping system was correctly installed and all the bolts were tight, then the issue remains a mystery to me...especially considering both blades disintegrated. You can appreciate, it is very difficult to diagnose your issue in print, without even any photos. I'm so glad none of you were seriously hurt. Cheers, M
@@markerbuoy Late I know. But I wonder if it simply was that the blade holders weren’t perfectly flat. Wouldn’t necessarily harm an old fashioned steel blade, but carbide may be too stiff to handle it. May need to stay with older blades and put up with having to sharpen more frequently.
Great vid man all in what did she cost ya . That was a awesome project. its amazing how they did stuff way back then. Did ya find some time for any glass work. peace bro.
Ha ha, you have to watch the whole video in order to get another glimpse. Try this one, th-cam.com/video/2-UdhR9HR-A/w-d-xo.html Your man appears after 16 seconds :-)
Thanks Tim, I think the oil rings were long gone before I came along. I did make sure oil flows freely to and around the babbit. I monitor the bearing constantly when in use with much success so far. On my next (2nd ever) babbit pour, I'll be sure to heed your advice! Cheers, M
+bartlomiej wszelaki Thanks for watching... The cutter head performs just fine, in fact it revolves a little faster than with the previous electric motor. As for turtles...I have no idea what you mean :-) Cheers, M
Patrice Le Brasseur Engine is full throttle...3500 RPM... And there is a slight reduction via the belt drive. I'm quite satisfied with the performance 😀
+odatmatt Thanks for the warning. It's obvious that health & safety was hardly top of mind when this beast was designed. I definitely think twice when the planer is running :-) Cheers, M
Sure you don't want a steam powered shop? Did you shroud the generator in concrete for noise reduction? I would have thought a material with many layers like rockwool would be better than a single solid object.
+stefantrethan OK, you're right - I want one!! Wow. The concrete box, indeed shrouds the genny. We simply cannot hear it inside the cabin. I never considered rockwool...I love concrete :-) Thanks for watching, M
+Erik there is audio, but it only comes from the left channel from 5:30 onwards. A fix/bodge would be to set your audio to mono, so each channel is equal.
LCT Ah, that would do it. Apparently my left speaker isn't working and I didn't notice. =P Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast - thanks for another great video. =)
Great job. Love those old cast iron machines. Running in the middle of woods with no electricity is the nuts.
+mmanut He plugs it in....
Congratulations on your work, here is a situation where a man's love and emotions for an ailing machinery , makes him work so hard to save its life. This video took me many years back to my younger days when we used to maintain large rotating machines and as they were used where there were impulsive loads we had to use plain bearings as you so skilfully made as ball and roller bearings were not suitable. I remember learning about the metallurgy of bearing metal which had to be soft with some hard stuff to keep it from creeping. We used two oil rings which were inserted on the shaft and hanged on it and whose lower end dipped in an oil bath and as the shaft rotated them through the rings touching the upper part of the shaft, the bearing was lubricated amply. They were good bearings and as I worked for the British Admiralty, they had to be very reliable even when guns fired and impulses were suffered by the motor. Sir thank you for bringing back so many pleasant memories.
+Carmel Pule'
Thanks for you kind words and informative commentary.
It looks like you had an interesting career.
While I was aware of babbit bearings, I had never had cause to work with or replace any...so this was a learning curve for me. Thanks to fellow TH-camrs and other research, I finally figured it out. The babbit I used is high in tin content; better to accommodate the higher speed of the cutter head. As with all babbit, I make sure there is plenty oil sloshing around! I expect this bearing to "see me out" :-)
Best regards & happy New Year!
M
That heat resistant putty when in place as it is being used is called a "tinkers dam". It is great seeing a beautiful piece of equipment being restored in this manner.
+Wayne Alan
Aaah, so that's where the expression comes from!
Thanks for watching & your kind words.
Cheers,
M
+Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast
Yep. "worthless as a tinker's dam" is as a result of the throwaway nature of both the excess casting material and the clay putty dam itself. The putty becomes dry and brittle in the process of the casting and it becomes contaminated with the material of the casting.
Of course the other spelling "tinker's damn" is as a result of the propensity of "tinker's" to use vulgar language, most likely as a result of their being burned during their work of in the repair of pots pans etc.
Today "tinker's" are known as "metal smiths" and of course the source of the sir name "Smith" and "Smithy"
That's a great project. I really enjoyed watching it. So cool to see an old gem like that brought back to life. Thanks
Nice job...glad to see old machinery and tools fixed up and running again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Digger
+robert k
Thanks for watching & your kind words.
Cheers,
M
unbelievable. i can't even find simple armature for my damn delta and here you are restoring 100 year old planer.
What a beast, glad you was able to get it up and running. Thanks for sharing the video.
Thanks for watching and your kind words!
Best regards,
M
wonderful old surface planer, wish I owned it.
+Quartzsite Business Can't have it :-) I was very lucky to be given this machine. It has been a lot of work so far, but now looking forward to many more productive yars of use.
Thanks for watching,
M
By the way, between videos, you can now follow me on Instagram @markerbuoy
Cheers,
M
Thank you for sharing this.
I've recently been more involved at this certain museum where we mill lumber and many other things.
Someone dropped off an old plane very much like yours about 20 years ago but nobody's ever taken the time to clean it up and get it working again.
Also like yours, it's obviously also belt driven, and I'd like to keep it that way if I can. Just makes sense to me that if you're going to work with ancient equipment, have it run the same way they did.
Great job ! I'd love to have a workshop with a view like that. Thanks for well made video.
+barkebaat
...and thank you for watching & taking the time to comment :-)
Happy New Year!
M
Thanks for posting. Lotsa fun!
That's a great piece of kit, I hope you get plenty of useage out of it. Also great to see you are not afraid to try so many things to get your desired result.
+steve griffiths
As my neighbour in town says, it's an SMO...See Me Out :-)
Looking forward to many more years of heavy duty planing.
Thanks for watching.
Cheers,
M
Really great and resourceful , thanks for sharing . Perry
+perry eastham ...and thank you for watching!
Cheers,
M
By the way, between videos, you can now follow me on Instagram @markerbuoy
Cheers,
M
You sir, are a master at your craft.
Now this is a heck of a video. I haven't seen anyone pour a babbitt bearing in forever! Very nice job on the guards! Very much enjoyed your video!
Hey Randall, I was inspired by others on TH-cam: This Old Tony and Keith Rucker in particular. The planer is invaluable for rough wide boards - not the finest finish but a time saver. My house in town was built around 1905 and I see evidence of planer marks left by similar machines from that time. I'm so glad you enjoyed the video.
Cheers,
M
That is truly awesome and resourceful!
Thanks for watching Bobby!
Nice. That’s the kind of machine to get. Made to last for ever
That’s awesome, I want to find a old large planer that I can convert over to a gas motor and you are the first person that I have seen do it. Great video thank you!
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Awesome ! We have one in the works as well. Thx for sharing
Older and more primitive than my 1977 Japanese planer but the same 2 blade concept, with heavy duty blades. Mine is a 13 inch planer, all cast iron frame and includes a long bed jointer of 9 inches. My machine will plane quite fine and like yours can easily take off an eighth inch on softwood. One advantage of a 2 blade machine is only two blades to change, sharpen and setup. My infeed roller looks just like yours too, with the square steel ribs and it works great. Kudos to you indeed being off grid, I've got a 2.2 Kw 3 Phase 200V motor on mine.
Hey Jim,
More primitive, but still running!
I'm aware of the unit you enjoy and you definitely have one of Makita's best. My neighbour in town has an old, refurbished 15" makita planer - like yours, all cast iron but with a powerful 110v motor. Beautiful machine.
Here's how I got around blade changes in my small benchtop DeWalt - th-cam.com/video/D5U6vBd8-oI/w-d-xo.html
Cheers,
M
U make my day becauce now i know how to do it....thx
Great video. I've been looking for a mobster similar to that. No luck so far, but keeping my hopes up.
marker buoy great work i love it. bob
+Robert Kutz
Thanks Bob!
M
Nice shavings!!!!!
+George Welman
Great firestarter!
Cheers,
M
Very nice an informative video. Must have taken a lot of hard work just to get it to this location!. Thank you for the upload kind, sir. :-}
+jrob65
Thanks,
It all comes apart. Dinner guests sometimes have to work before they get fed!
Cheers,
M
Great video. Such a beautiful machine rescued.
I've gotta ask ya, who is the guy at the very end of your video??
I knew a timber miller in Washington state who used one of those. He swore by it because it could take heavy cuts without bogging up. Personally there is no freakin way I would ever use a square head and if those slotted knives did ever come loose, God help you.
Definitely have to be carful around old machinery like this. Health and safety was not an issue when this stuff was made. Very useful for those single pass deeper cuts! Hopefully god is on my side...Cheers, M
@@markerbuoy
The danger comes when knives hit a large dense hard knot and pull on it. I've only had a knife move on me once but it was stopped by the wedge section chip breaker gib. Thank God.
A lot of mill hands torque the shit out of their cutterhead bolts using a pipe on the wrench. But that can cause the knives to crack and that's even worse. Nobody should have any romantic illusions about some of that older machinery. Vintage does not always mean quality. The velocity on a broken knife is frightening to witness. It will smash shit up and go through wall's.
After watching that little motor bounce around i hope you have mounted it better than just bolted to that chunk o wood :P. Nice job.
+squishydafishy
Hey, let's just say the whole beast is a work in progress :-)
Cheers,
M
Tell me more about how you are "off grid" I just picked up a Whitney 36 in plainer. It is 10 HP. I am off grid shop too. (125 KW.)
....will you not need to cut a oil groove into the new Babbitt and open the oil cup on the top as well?..............what will lubricate it?..........beautiful old machine, great work.
+Rick L
Hi Rick,
There were enough small voids in the top pour that (with modification) I deemed sufficient to allow oil to flow. I must admit, I did not formally make an oil groove in the bottom shell. I have now permanently installed the oiler I show in the video. The oil drips liberally into the reservoir in the top cast iron shell (reservoir is loosely packed with cotton) and enters the top half of the bearing through three large holes, as provided in the original design. I allowed the bearing to "run in" with lots of oil before committing to heavy use. The new babbitt I used is high in tin - more suitable for higher speed. The bearing is now smooth and secure; I frequently check the oil and monitor the temperature - so far so good!
Thanks for watching and your enquiry...
Happy new year :-)
M
Great machine...how good does it plane such wide boards?
+Jesper Mikkelsen
It does a great job & removes more wood in one pass than any 15amp portable planer!
Regards,
M
Great video, love these old machines. Can I try and pick your brain for a bit of advice? A mate has a large 3 phase planer with a drum and two blades. It is pushing well over 60 years old or so.The drum pulls a hell of a lot of revs and takes a good 30 seconds to wind up.yesterday he replaced the blades with some high tensile carbine blades recommended by his machine shop. They are however Chinese made. Last night he gave a demo of the machine winding up, and without feeding any timber through it. While the machine was in the start up process, and as the revs increased, the blades shattered sending shrapnel flying through the shed. It would have been fatal if anyone was unlucky enough to be hit.
Both blades fractured in the same area, about half way along the blades which would be about 16 inches in length. We were left scratching our heads trying to figure out why.
Can you advise the changeover process for the blades? There is about 6 large bolts that cause a vice like clamp along the length of the blades.
Should these be set at a specific torque setting? My mate did it by hand and while they all seemed of even pressure, we were thinking that the slightest difference in pressure may have caused the high tensile blades to be set uneven or with a bend in them.
Any advice you can offer?
Cheers, Kev from Australia.
Hi Kev from Australia,
I'm so sorry to hear of your mate's planer misadventure.
My only thought is that there may be the possibility that the tightening bolts were pressing directly on the blades, instead of them applying pressure via the clamp running the full length of the blades. i.e. the clamping mechanism was inadvertently installed backwards, as it were. this would certainly result in local stress on the blades, around each tightened bolt head.
If, indeed the blade clamping system was correctly installed and all the bolts were tight, then the issue remains a mystery to me...especially considering both blades disintegrated.
You can appreciate, it is very difficult to diagnose your issue in print, without even any photos. I'm so glad none of you were seriously hurt.
Cheers,
M
@@markerbuoy Late I know. But I wonder if it simply was that the blade holders weren’t perfectly flat. Wouldn’t necessarily harm an old fashioned steel blade, but carbide may be too stiff to handle it. May need to stay with older blades and put up with having to sharpen more frequently.
Great vid man all in what did she cost ya . That was a awesome project. its amazing how they did stuff way back then. Did ya find some time for any glass work. peace bro.
+Coop W Cost about $100 for the new bearing and I think another $100 for the shaft re-grind, otherwise everything else was to hand.
Cheers,
M
No glimpse of the board after planing?? :(
It's all about the planer, not about the board :-)
Cheers,
M
I came for the strong guy.... Where is him?
Ha ha, you have to watch the whole video in order to get another glimpse.
Try this one, th-cam.com/video/2-UdhR9HR-A/w-d-xo.html
Your man appears after 16 seconds :-)
nice work and nice machine. you shouldn't yank the cord out like that though.
+teh40oz
Yank the cord? Please explain...
M
+Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast
th-cam.com/video/I6OHktyBr5M/w-d-xo.htmlm55s
you yanked the plug by the cord instead of the plug fixture.
+teh40oz
Thanks boss...good point :-)
I intend to install a switched receptacle.
Cheers,
M
pretty sure you filled in the grooves, which should hold the oil rings and oil.
Thanks Tim,
I think the oil rings were long gone before I came along. I did make sure oil flows freely to and around the babbit. I monitor the bearing constantly when in use with much success so far. On my next (2nd ever) babbit pour, I'll be sure to heed your advice!
Cheers,
M
This isn’t a CANT Bros planer, is it?
Existem muitas dessas aqui na Amazônia.
Hello I have an American 444 planer
Hello mayby iam wrong but it sims to go to slow on cutting head. more turtles?
+bartlomiej wszelaki
Thanks for watching...
The cutter head performs just fine, in fact it revolves a little faster than with the previous electric motor.
As for turtles...I have no idea what you mean :-)
Cheers,
M
+Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast the turtles refer to the engine throttle
Patrice Le Brasseur Engine is full throttle...3500 RPM... And there is a slight reduction via the belt drive. I'm quite satisfied with the performance 😀
Don't ever get any part of your body behind this sq. head, I have seen them catch and throw a 1x12 thirty ft. and go thru a 2x4 and lap siding wall.
+odatmatt
Thanks for the warning. It's obvious that health & safety was hardly top of mind when this beast was designed. I definitely think twice when the planer is running :-)
Cheers,
M
Jointers are hungry beasts, one of them ate my pinky finger in 1988. Have fun !
is that johnny sins
Sure you don't want a steam powered shop?
Did you shroud the generator in concrete for noise reduction?
I would have thought a material with many layers like rockwool would be better than a single solid object.
+stefantrethan OK, you're right - I want one!! Wow.
The concrete box, indeed shrouds the genny. We simply cannot hear it inside the cabin. I never considered rockwool...I love concrete :-)
Thanks for watching,
M
+Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast
By the way, between videos, you can now follow me on Instagram @markerbuoy
Cheers,
M
I'm not getting any audio from the 5:30 mark until the end of the video. =\
+Erik Hey Erik, I'm sorry to hear that. I tested the video offline & after posting & found no problem so I don't know what to suggest.
+Erik there is audio, but it only comes from the left channel from 5:30 onwards. A fix/bodge would be to set your audio to mono, so each channel is equal.
+LCT Good tip. I should investigate further. I do get the occasional person, like yourself, pointing this out. Thanks.
+Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast
By the way, between videos, you can now follow me on Instagram @markerbuoy
Cheers,
M
LCT Ah, that would do it. Apparently my left speaker isn't working and I didn't notice. =P
Markerbuoy - On Canada's Left Coast - thanks for another great video. =)
you sound a little Scottish for some reason