Very poetic. They never used Bret the way that they could and should have in WCW, although I don't think they ever had any desire to. Much like AEW today, WCW just stockpiled too much talent with no plans or direction for them. Yes, they badly wanted Bret, but they had no plans for him once he got there.
Not true. Bret never had a history of packing houses. He spent the last year in the WWF hating on America then went to a company with southern wrasslin’ roots, not to mention with the same stars that had dwarfed him in the 80s. Fantasize all you want, Vince made the right call kicking him to the curb and his company exploded.
Vince always knew that they wouldn't treat guys like Bret and Shawn the way that they should be treated, and that's part of why Vince didn't really see it as a loss to let Bret go down there. Bret never was really a HUGE draw, and he was standing in the way of progress, and he was put of his Prime, though he could still go.
If the situation reversed and Bret did put over Undertaker, and refused to put Shawn Michaels, that whole screw-job would have happened no matter what.
@@jimbowlan5804 Perhaps, but remember Bret was raised by a legit hooker in Stu hart. Taker might win a street fight, but Bret was probably the better shooter, and it wouldn't have looked like a wrestling match for Taker to have got the win.
Hogan refused to lose multiple times, Austin refused to lose, Shawn handed back multiple titles rather than lose them but when it comes to the WWF yes men stooges its only Bret who is public enemy number 1 when he did it lol...its laughable
Which one refused to drop the title on their way out? What's laughable is that if Shawn tried to the shit with Stu, Bret would've sided with Stu and if you can't see that then you shouldn't be talking
I don’t know why the Bret Hart fan girls can’t just admit that Hart could also be a pain in the ass to deal with at times. Not saying he was as bad as Shawn was but he wasn’t an Angel
This is a fair point. At some point in time people should be able to recognize there were no perfect parties involved in any of this. Beer wasn’t nearly the douche that Shawn was but there were lots of times he mentions in his book where he either put his foot down about losing or pushed back on losing but whenever he did he always has a justifiable reason for why but whenever someone else didn’t want to lose to him it was just because they were a douche bag. Bret is probably an overall good dude but he does have a serious habit of double standards whenever he evaluates things he does versus what another person does and most of the time he usually has a reason why whatever he did was ok and why someone else was wrong if they did basically the same thing he had.
He definitely was a pain but this whole situation is Vince's fault. He had several options to avoid the screwjob. 1) Allowing Bret to be with the title until his contract was running out. 2) Being adamant that Michaels was going to be the one to beat Bret despite the real life heat. 3) Excusing Michaels' serial indiscretions without punishment. 4) Not having an interim/transitional champion that would've smoothed this whole thing over. 5) Not signing Bret for a month long extension to have him drop the title under different circumstances.
3:46 Briscoe mentions that Vince wanted to talk to him after a meeting and his first thought is that he is going to be fired. What a shit work environment that is your first thought.
It's kind of funny because Bret mentions in his book that when Vince called him to his office to tell him he was getting the belt for the first time, he also thought he was going to be fired.
This comment section is brutal. Bunch of trolls and morons. They screwed Bret over. He broke his back for Vince and was loyal. Vince just liked Shawn better for whatever reason.
Vince should have fired both Bret and Shawn, they were employees who were dictating the conditions and not doing what Vince (their BOSS) payed them to do, they were employees but many times never behaved that way, this no doubt is why Vince is so controlling now, never again will he be held up or be refused to do what he pays his wrestlers to do.
And Vince rewarded that loyalty with a major push that gave him title reigns every year, WrestleMania main events, first ever King of the Ring, and just about every accolade one could get. They gave Owen a push, rehired Davey Boy and Jim Neidhart (multiple times), used his family in countless angles, allowing Stu to be heavily involved in numerous storylines so his legacy could be cemented as legendary to American fans who would never have had any clue otherwise. Even his brother, Bruce and sister Diana were recurring guest stars in a lot of the angles over the years, they let his pre-teen write a monthly column in their magazine for months. The guy got as many World Title runs as Hogan did and scored TV time and publication space for everybody in his immediate family. He didn't get screwed over.
Conrad talking with office stooges. Three way title match where Hitman didn't have to get pinned was the best choice. Hunter couldn't come up with that idea?
There hadn't been a three-way title match in WWF up until that point. In fact, there had been only 1 or 2 three-ways in WWF before the Screwjob, IIRC. So it's really not something self-evident like you're portraying it.
@@spheremode3271 Triangle matches had been done in WCW a lot also so it certainly wasn't a foreign concept. It didn't have to be "self-evident" as you say, but it certain was not something you needed to dig very far into the grey-matter to come up with. I don't think they tried hard enough to come up with a solution. Bret said that he offered to drop the title to Austin a few days later and they nixed that. Jim Ross and HBK were sitting right there when he said it during that interview they did (and I'm sure Vince was in the room as well) and no one called BS on that and let it be said, recorded and broadcast. Vince was paranoid. Not because of Alundra Blayze, but because of Ric Flair. In 1991 Ric Flair appeared on WWF TV with the WCW World Heavyweight title calling himself the "real" World's Champion. WCW failed to return Flair's deposit on the belt and he refused to return it until they paid him back his deposit. WCW took legal action against the WWF for this and that is when they started using video-distortion on the belt whenever it was shown on TV. Eventually they stopped using the Big Gold Belt altogether and had Flair come out with an old WWF Tag Team title belt, again with the video-distortion. Vince didn't want to risk any of that happening with the WWF Title so he panicked to get the belt off of Bret ASAP. I honestly do not think Bret would have done that had they of come to an amicable-solution on the finish of that match or if Bret retained. If they did what he asked, he would look like a dick for doing that. Also, Eric Bischoff has stated that because of prior legal-action from the WWF against Turner for several-issues, he had no plans nor desire to have Bret do that. So it was all based on Vince's insecurity, but everything happens for a reason and that was the fuel necessary to drive the machine of the Attitude Era and the fact that so much positive came out of that which was too convenient and too perfect which is why some people surmise that there were shenanigans in-play here.
@@D2Kprime I know all of this already. Hey, I'm just saying: three-way matches, especially for the championship, wasn't a no-brainer back then in the WWF. That's my only point. They probably could've found a better solution, especially if they got somebody other than Michaels to beat Bret. But having a three-way was not such an easy conclusion to come to, nor do I think Bret would've accepted that either. I think Cornette had the best idea; he claims he said "Put him in there with Shamrock, he'll drop it then!" Bret respected and liked Shamrock, but Shamrock also would've been a deterrent. They definitely could've found something else, but I'm glad they didn't. The Screwjob is one of the most fascinating and entertaining things in wrestling, so I'm glad it ended up as such a clusterf
@@D2Kprime none of it really matters because Vince hadn't really let Russo convince him to do certain Match types yet. Add that to the fact that Vince was pretty fed up with Bret at that point, and was ready for him to be gone. So when HHH suggests "doing business for him", Vince is obviously totally open to the idea of screwing him over.
Didn't matter what kind of match it was. Bret said he wasn't going to lose to Michaels in Canada, and he was aware of a double-cross. The third person would have to be someone Bret trusted and not have a problem with losing to in Canada.
Brisco thinking he was gonna get fired got me thinking: When the Brisco brothers sold their territory rights to Vince way back in the day, I would've expected a "lifetime consultancy" clause to be in the deal.
@@jvinson Bret didn't want to do business the right way. This story is another example of him not wanting to lose to somebody. If you don't want to do what your boss wants you to do and help someone else, then you don't need to be there. He was miserable back then and he's miserable today.
With the storyline they had going if they had Canadian soldiers in the audience then it makes perfect sense as to why Bret Hart wouldn’t want to lose that match.
I guess if any american wrestler wouldn't wanna lose if they were in Canada and there were american troops in the audience. Quit taking up for that crybaby clown.
@@jaro4742 Bret won his first ever WWF Championship on 10/12/1992 in a non-televised match. It was vs Ric Flair. Also Diesel won his first and only WWF Championship in 1994 in non-televised match. It was vs Bob Backland.
This story can easily be a convenient one made up or embellished to fit this story here. But there was a match with undertaker with Bret as champ in Bahrain shortly before SS that Bret wins. Obv he prob isn’t losing the title there right before Montreal but Briscoe says both it wasn’t for a title and it was for a title in this but it’s possible it was a non-title thing so close to Montreal. But even if he hypothetically would lose the belt if you’re at a house show in the middle of nowhere like Bahrain, especially if it’s a bought show to begin with, then it’s not like you have to stick with him having lost the belt there. There’s literally like a one minute clip of this that exists on a random ass Twitter post and you can’t find like any record of the match anywhere else. So with a bought show in a remote country like this even if Bret did drop the belt it’s not like anybody would really even know it happened and it would be something to treat the crowd for the show that doesn’t see your product often. That shit happened all the time back in the territory days at house shows and by the end of whatever tour the champion had the belt again. It happened a lot to give the crowd something at random ass shows that wouldn’t get much coverage to where it mattered but it meant something to the audience that was actually there. So if this is actually what happened it wouldn’t have been a big deal if he did lose it just to do something for the live crowd because it wouldn’t make it back over here anyways.
bret took himself way too seriously and thought he was bigger draw than he was. hes also a total hypocrite wouldnt put undertaker over but whines about hogan not wanting put him over for 30 years lol hogan had every right to decide who he wanted to lose to . big deal he chose yoko over bret yoko was over huge at the time and is considered as one of the greats till this day.
@@bb-gc2tx So Hogan had every right to decide who he wanted to lose to...so as you clearly dont like hypocrite's i take it you believe that Bret had every right to decide not to lose to Shawn at Survivor Series '97?? Or are you going to be hypocritical and make an excuse as to why you are being a hypocrite too by thinking Bret had no right to refuse?
@@acidmack1041 the diffrence is hogan was in program with yoko and not bret also hogan was leaving company and willingly dropped the belt on way out unlike bret
@@bb-gc2tx Yoko was never "over huge". He was never gonna be a long term figurehead or anything like that. He was a heel champion. Those never last very long. No kids wanted yokozuna merch. He wasn't designed for mass appeal.
Brisco acts like Bret is the only one that ever refused a job. Lol Hogan did this like 20 times in his career. Warrior did it all the time. Shawn took his ball and went home while he lost his smile. Austin refused to job a bunch of times. Big deal Bret refused twice. Brisco is a mark
Brisco changing his story multiple times. First he said it wasn't a title match and then later he says it was a title match. Bruce and Brisco are nothing but lap dogs for Vince.
To be fair, Brisco is 75 years old. One lapse in memory of a 75 year old former pro-wrestler that undoubtedly has been racked in the head more than a few times is hardly evidence of being a "lap dog." I'm not saying he is or isn't, but it's clear that's what YOU think and you conveniently cherry-picked a piece that fits your narrative.
@@D2Kprime Brisco said that Survivor Series wasn't the first time that Bret refused to drop the title and then goes on to tell a story about a match that wasn't even for the title 😅 Absolute BS
@Bryan Mack To be fair its only the WWF yes men and WWF office stooges that say Bret turned down every possible alternative. The same people who have been pushing the company's babyface version of why the Screwjob happened (Bret thinking he was a Canadian hero) and never mention the version about Bret going to Shawn to bury the hatchet and telling him he would be happy to put him over and that Shawn was going to be safe in the ring with him and Shawn said he couldn't say the same thing back. If you notice, the WWF yes men like Pritchard & Brisco always paint Bret out to be shady because they have had it drilled into them since the day of Screwjob whereas others like Cornette and JR who dont have Vince's hand up their asses like puppets tell a different story
The truth is, Bret is a hypocrite. Guys like hbk, Hogan may have refused to put people over but they don't go around teasing other guys for it. Hell hbk was imo a 5star main event jobber during his second run. Even Hogan put over guys like HHH, Lesnar and Yokozuna without complaining. Yet you got Bret, who in his book apparently has moaned and moaned about almost every guy he put over. The fact that Bret has the cojones to go out of his way to call out other people for not doing the job is completely farcical and downright frivolous and hypocritical. But the maple leafs just fail to see that. Steve Austin said it best,"If you put the letter S in front of hitman you get my exact opinion of Bret Hart"
HBK talked shit about Hogan, Bret talked shit about Hogan, Austin talked shit about Hogan, guess what? They ALL ended up acting and doing the same shit just like Hogan
I highly doubt they’d do a major title change on a house show in the middle of the desert. I can see him not wanting to lose but I don’t think there was a title on the line.
I'm a bit shocked that Conrad's head didn't explode from the cognitive dissonance of Bret being perfect in his mind, versus a true story told by Brisco where he's...not so perfect.
The but he didn't want to lose in Canada stuff is a dumb argument anyways, so Taker is American if he had that attitude then Bret isn't even champ anyways as I recall SS was held in the good ole USA.
Hmm...must be talking about the Oman show on 10/29. I could see Vince trying to get the title off Bret there and just having Shawn vs. Bret at Survivor Series w/o the title. (Match result was a double countout).
Yeah hard to say, but I doubt it. He says their was another time he refused to drop the title, but than told the story saying it was a non title match , and he just didn’t want to lose because of canadian fans or possibly the fact he was a baby face everywhere except USA. So he didn’t refuse to drop the belt to Taker it wasn’t planned as a title match for whatever reason, or it was and he would lose by DQ or count out.
@@danielmelvin4525 see I thought it might have been the 4/6 show in South Africa which felt like it made more sense (Bret just did the turn), only Undertaker was champion then.
Bret beat Taker via DQ in Bahrain on 10/30/97, just 10 days away from Survivor Series. It wasn't a tournament match and there's no way Vince would have wanted his outgoing champ losing fairly just over a week away from WWE's biggest match of the year. It would have made both Bret and Michaels look weaker. Brisco is playing fast and loose with the facts here.
Almost sound like Bret never wanted to lose to the Undertaker because he figured he would get the better " feel good/go home moment" judging by the fans at a glorified house show.
@@edwardcorey1071 as per his own words he either pitched the idea or now thinks replacing him with Shawn would have been better This Brisco story doesn't go with this thoughts
At the end of the day Bret was an employee of WWF,....meaning he was on a payrol to do whatever his BOSS and company owner (Vince) asks him to do but he believed his own hype and refused to do business and became bitter old man, if any of us bahaved the same way in our jobs we would of been diciplined, written warning, the whole works and then fired if that behaviour continued. Bret and Shawn behaved like 2 spoilt brats who not only accepted their big pay cheques but also wanted to call the shots, worse thing Vince ever did was giving either of them the winged belt and because of all this I believe is why Vince is so controlling in recent years, he will never allow any of his employees to hold him up or dictate business ever again.
Bret had the legal right to refuse a Vince McMahon demanded finish. Bret’s 20 year contract signed in October of 1996 stated “All match finishes in the last 30 days of Bret Hart’s WWF career must be agreed upon by both Bret Hart and Vince McMahon.” Vince signed that contract. Then he cowardly went back on what he agreed to a year prior. None of this is Bret’s fault.
Scott Hall said it best about Bret Hart when he was discussing how low Bret's pay was in the mid 90s when he was a top guy. Hall said Bret didn't care how much he was getting paid as long as he got to put the sharpshooter on someone every night, he just wanted to "win".
HBK is the biggest pussy in wrestling history. He wanted the guy who got the most pussy OUT of the company. Shawn is still jealous of Bret to this day. You can feel it in interviews.
Yes, he is. Aside from sleeping with countless women while being married, he really was what was best for wrestling. The Screwjob is the reason why WWE has died a slow death ever since. Triple H, Shawn, Vince and now Stephanie have to die off to see any sort of improvement. Might as well turn it off and go to AEW.
Bret “The ShitMan” Hart never wanted to lose because he a crybaby, & always wanted his way… I was glad to see him go! He was boring to watch, & was a legend only In his own mind…
Stooges were nothing but ass kissers to Vince who didn't like Bret for whatever reason but for some reason HBK got a pass for all the bullcrap he pulled. Seems legit.
Bret Hart is one of the best technical pro wrestlers ever, BUT he took his ‘Canadian hero’ egotism to heights that were just plain ludicrous. I lived in Canada for a good while, and tbh, nobody, including wrestling fans that I had asked about him, gave two Canadian cents about him. Their attitude was pretty much ‘Its not like he won the Stanley Cup or anything, so who cares?’ But say a single measly bad word about Wayne Gretzky or any Canadian NHL team and those were fighting words. Hart took himself WAY too seriously. He was the working version of Jim Cornette. And l love hearing Cornette’s podcast/s so I am not trying to ridicule Corny at all. Great at what he does, but at some point he had to realize he is an employee that is the ‘champion’ because he was chosen to be the ‘champion’. AndI am not saying Bret Hart could not legitimately shoot wrestle, but he never truly honestly legitimately ever WON anything.
@@moffjerjerrod1579 But this "Canadian Hero" stuff has been pushed to the extreme by the WWF spin doctors after the Screwjob to discredit Bret. Im sure Bret does think he was some kind of Canadian Hero and to some extent he was but the WWF really ran with that after Montreal in order to make it look like Bret was disillusional and the WWF was the babyface instead of telling it how it was that the screwjob happened because Shawn was the biggest prick on the planet at the time and Bret wasnt going to bow to him lol
WCW was handed a loaded gun after the screwjob and they turned that gun on themselves.
Very poetic. They never used Bret the way that they could and should have in WCW, although I don't think they ever had any desire to. Much like AEW today, WCW just stockpiled too much talent with no plans or direction for them. Yes, they badly wanted Bret, but they had no plans for him once he got there.
Not true. Bret never had a history of packing houses. He spent the last year in the WWF hating on America then went to a company with southern wrasslin’ roots, not to mention with the same stars that had dwarfed him in the 80s. Fantasize all you want, Vince made the right call kicking him to the curb and his company exploded.
Vince always knew that they wouldn't treat guys like Bret and Shawn the way that they should be treated, and that's part of why Vince didn't really see it as a loss to let Bret go down there. Bret never was really a HUGE draw, and he was standing in the way of progress, and he was put of his Prime, though he could still go.
Everyone says this.
I’ve never heard anyone give a realistic angle that would have worked with Hogan’s control & rest of toxic locker room
WCW was a disjointed country club
The Undertaker being a total professional is completely believable here. The story sounds totally legit. Man that is crazy.
I love Brett but if taker wanted to he could have just done it the hard way
Everyone working in any workplace should learn from his example
Everyone working in any workplace should learn from his example
If the situation reversed and Bret did put over Undertaker, and refused to put Shawn Michaels, that whole screw-job would have happened no matter what.
@@jimbowlan5804 Perhaps, but remember Bret was raised by a legit hooker in Stu hart. Taker might win a street fight, but Bret was probably the better shooter, and it wouldn't have looked like a wrestling match for Taker to have got the win.
This show should be called Conrad's commercial channel
Hogan refused to lose multiple times, Austin refused to lose, Shawn handed back multiple titles rather than lose them but when it comes to the WWF yes men stooges its only Bret who is public enemy number 1 when he did it lol...its laughable
None of those guys refused to drop it on their way out of the company. But I do see your point In a way
Which one refused to drop the title on their way out? What's laughable is that if Shawn tried to the shit with Stu, Bret would've sided with Stu and if you can't see that then you shouldn't be talking
Bret refused to drop the belt in Canada. To Shawn. Regardless of personal feelings.
Yeah it’s a bunch of ass kissers
@@xsavagementality Bret didn't refuse to drop the title on his way out...he refused to drop it to Shawn Micheals...he was willing to drop it on RAW
Taker should wrapped that big ol' fist up.
When Hoagn does it is ok to Bruce but when Brett Does it it doesn't work for him brother.
Bret
Hogan drew numbers✌️
@southerncajuncharm So being in the top 10 equates to "famous once"?
That's because Hogan was the biggest draw of all time. Bret couldn't draw flies to horseshit.
@@idlehands1864 Hogan went into business for himself. I don't see how that helps.
I don’t know why the Bret Hart fan girls can’t just admit that Hart could also be a pain in the ass to deal with at times. Not saying he was as bad as Shawn was but he wasn’t an Angel
This is a fair point. At some point in time people should be able to recognize there were no perfect parties involved in any of this. Beer wasn’t nearly the douche that Shawn was but there were lots of times he mentions in his book where he either put his foot down about losing or pushed back on losing but whenever he did he always has a justifiable reason for why but whenever someone else didn’t want to lose to him it was just because they were a douche bag. Bret is probably an overall good dude but he does have a serious habit of double standards whenever he evaluates things he does versus what another person does and most of the time he usually has a reason why whatever he did was ok and why someone else was wrong if they did basically the same thing he had.
He definitely was a pain but this whole situation is Vince's fault. He had several options to avoid the screwjob.
1) Allowing Bret to be with the title until his contract was running out.
2) Being adamant that Michaels was going to be the one to beat Bret despite the real life heat.
3) Excusing Michaels' serial indiscretions without punishment.
4) Not having an interim/transitional champion that would've smoothed this whole thing over.
5) Not signing Bret for a month long extension to have him drop the title under different circumstances.
Will someone sort out that bloody clicking! It's all over far too many of these clips....
3:46 Briscoe mentions that Vince wanted to talk to him after a meeting and his first thought is that he is going to be fired. What a shit work environment that is your first thought.
This is every work environment
No. No it isn't. Not even close.
@@stacymirba1433 no it is
@@anirbanmitra4189 No, it's not.
It's kind of funny because Bret mentions in his book that when Vince called him to his office to tell him he was getting the belt for the first time, he also thought he was going to be fired.
This comment section is brutal. Bunch of trolls and morons. They screwed Bret over. He broke his back for Vince and was loyal. Vince just liked Shawn better for whatever reason.
WWE loyalists that love whatever trash they put out, and believe anything Triple H and his corrupt Breakfast Club say by default.
You called it exactly 💯
Vince should have fired both Bret and Shawn, they were employees who were dictating the conditions and not doing what Vince (their BOSS) payed them to do, they were employees but many times never behaved that way, this no doubt is why Vince is so controlling now, never again will he be held up or be refused to do what he pays his wrestlers to do.
And Vince rewarded that loyalty with a major push that gave him title reigns every year, WrestleMania main events, first ever King of the Ring, and just about every accolade one could get. They gave Owen a push, rehired Davey Boy and Jim Neidhart (multiple times), used his family in countless angles, allowing Stu to be heavily involved in numerous storylines so his legacy could be cemented as legendary to American fans who would never have had any clue otherwise. Even his brother, Bruce and sister Diana were recurring guest stars in a lot of the angles over the years, they let his pre-teen write a monthly column in their magazine for months. The guy got as many World Title runs as Hogan did and scored TV time and publication space for everybody in his immediate family. He didn't get screwed over.
He probably drew more money + he was younger
Why would WWE put the belt on Bret shortly before he was scheduled to leave the company if he was capable of behaving in such a petty manner?
How mint would these clips be if there wasnt a CONSTANT CRACKLING on the audio
Very good story!
Bret thought subbing Taker would make Taker look less weak? What a tool
But you're okay with HBK being a total diva and dropping the title multiple times so he wouldn't lose to Bret? Yeah okay lmao.
@@KB-hh8rt He did not say that
Conrad talking with office stooges.
Three way title match where Hitman didn't have to get pinned was the best choice. Hunter couldn't come up with that idea?
There hadn't been a three-way title match in WWF up until that point. In fact, there had been only 1 or 2 three-ways in WWF before the Screwjob, IIRC. So it's really not something self-evident like you're portraying it.
@@spheremode3271 Triangle matches had been done in WCW a lot also so it certainly wasn't a foreign concept. It didn't have to be "self-evident" as you say, but it certain was not something you needed to dig very far into the grey-matter to come up with.
I don't think they tried hard enough to come up with a solution. Bret said that he offered to drop the title to Austin a few days later and they nixed that. Jim Ross and HBK were sitting right there when he said it during that interview they did (and I'm sure Vince was in the room as well) and no one called BS on that and let it be said, recorded and broadcast.
Vince was paranoid. Not because of Alundra Blayze, but because of Ric Flair.
In 1991 Ric Flair appeared on WWF TV with the WCW World Heavyweight title calling himself the "real" World's Champion. WCW failed to return Flair's deposit on the belt and he refused to return it until they paid him back his deposit. WCW took legal action against the WWF for this and that is when they started using video-distortion on the belt whenever it was shown on TV. Eventually they stopped using the Big Gold Belt altogether and had Flair come out with an old WWF Tag Team title belt, again with the video-distortion.
Vince didn't want to risk any of that happening with the WWF Title so he panicked to get the belt off of Bret ASAP. I honestly do not think Bret would have done that had they of come to an amicable-solution on the finish of that match or if Bret retained. If they did what he asked, he would look like a dick for doing that.
Also, Eric Bischoff has stated that because of prior legal-action from the WWF against Turner for several-issues, he had no plans nor desire to have Bret do that. So it was all based on Vince's insecurity, but everything happens for a reason and that was the fuel necessary to drive the machine of the Attitude Era and the fact that so much positive came out of that which was too convenient and too perfect which is why some people surmise that there were shenanigans in-play here.
@@D2Kprime I know all of this already. Hey, I'm just saying: three-way matches, especially for the championship, wasn't a no-brainer back then in the WWF. That's my only point.
They probably could've found a better solution, especially if they got somebody other than Michaels to beat Bret. But having a three-way was not such an easy conclusion to come to, nor do I think Bret would've accepted that either. I think Cornette had the best idea; he claims he said "Put him in there with Shamrock, he'll drop it then!" Bret respected and liked Shamrock, but Shamrock also would've been a deterrent. They definitely could've found something else, but I'm glad they didn't. The Screwjob is one of the most fascinating and entertaining things in wrestling, so I'm glad it ended up as such a clusterf
@@D2Kprime none of it really matters because Vince hadn't really let Russo convince him to do certain Match types yet. Add that to the fact that Vince was pretty fed up with Bret at that point, and was ready for him to be gone. So when HHH suggests "doing business for him", Vince is obviously totally open to the idea of screwing him over.
Didn't matter what kind of match it was. Bret said he wasn't going to lose to Michaels in Canada, and he was aware of a double-cross.
The third person would have to be someone Bret trusted and not have a problem with losing to in Canada.
Brisco sounds just like "Billionaire Ted".
He sounds like Eric Bischoff doing a Ted Turner impression.
Brisco thinking he was gonna get fired got me thinking: When the Brisco brothers sold their territory rights to Vince way back in the day, I would've expected a "lifetime consultancy" clause to be in the deal.
McMahon didn't want to honor Bret's contract, so I can't see him honoring ANY contract.
@@jvinson Bret didn't want to do business the right way. This story is another example of him not wanting to lose to somebody. If you don't want to do what your boss wants you to do and help someone else, then you don't need to be there. He was miserable back then and he's miserable today.
@@jvinson Not even close to the same thing
With the storyline they had going if they had Canadian soldiers in the audience then it makes perfect sense as to why Bret Hart wouldn’t want to lose that match.
Not to mention - why would they even book a non televised title change? Makes no sense.
I guess if any american wrestler wouldn't wanna lose if they were in Canada and there were american troops in the audience. Quit taking up for that crybaby clown.
@@jaro4742 Didn’t Bret win his first title in a non tv title change?
@@jaro4742 Bret won his first ever WWF Championship on 10/12/1992 in a non-televised match. It was vs Ric Flair.
Also Diesel won his first and only WWF Championship in 1994 in non-televised match. It was vs Bob Backland.
This story can easily be a convenient one made up or embellished to fit this story here. But there was a match with undertaker with Bret as champ in Bahrain shortly before SS that Bret wins. Obv he prob isn’t losing the title there right before Montreal but Briscoe says both it wasn’t for a title and it was for a title in this but it’s possible it was a non-title thing so close to Montreal. But even if he hypothetically would lose the belt if you’re at a house show in the middle of nowhere like Bahrain, especially if it’s a bought show to begin with, then it’s not like you have to stick with him having lost the belt there. There’s literally like a one minute clip of this that exists on a random ass Twitter post and you can’t find like any record of the match anywhere else. So with a bought show in a remote country like this even if Bret did drop the belt it’s not like anybody would really even know it happened and it would be something to treat the crowd for the show that doesn’t see your product often. That shit happened all the time back in the territory days at house shows and by the end of whatever tour the champion had the belt again. It happened a lot to give the crowd something at random ass shows that wouldn’t get much coverage to where it mattered but it meant something to the audience that was actually there. So if this is actually what happened it wouldn’t have been a big deal if he did lose it just to do something for the live crowd because it wouldn’t make it back over here anyways.
Champion making a demand? No way! Middle of nowhere and noone cares then why make a fuss if hitman does? Guilty feet have got no rythem brisco 😆
Ax one of the Brisco's to drop the NWA title to one of Funk's and see what Gerry says then!!!!!
biggest mark in wrestling history
Love the Hitman and I believe the story. Bret always thought of the pay off end of the day
bret took himself way too seriously and thought he was bigger draw than he was. hes also a total hypocrite wouldnt put undertaker over but whines about hogan not wanting put him over for 30 years lol hogan had every right to decide who he wanted to lose to . big deal he chose yoko over bret yoko was over huge at the time and is considered as one of the greats till this day.
@@bb-gc2tx So Hogan had every right to decide who he wanted to lose to...so as you clearly dont like hypocrite's i take it you believe that Bret had every right to decide not to lose to Shawn at Survivor Series '97?? Or are you going to be hypocritical and make an excuse as to why you are being a hypocrite too by thinking Bret had no right to refuse?
@@acidmack1041 the diffrence is hogan was in program with yoko and not bret also hogan was leaving company and willingly dropped the belt on way out unlike bret
@@bb-gc2tx Except Bret wasn't on his way out at Montreal. He had time left on his contract after that date.
@@bb-gc2tx Yoko was never "over huge". He was never gonna be a long term figurehead or anything like that. He was a heel champion. Those never last very long. No kids wanted yokozuna merch. He wasn't designed for mass appeal.
I think he misspoke first about the title.. he then changed it to just a match.. no idea if it's true but just saying I think he just meant a match
bret was the champion at the time but the match wasnt for the title it was for the bahrain cup 2 weeks before the montreal screwjob
They loved Bret everywhere. Even in the Wrestling with Shadows, you see all the little Indian kids excited to see Bret.
Brisco acts like Bret is the only one that ever refused a job. Lol
Hogan did this like 20 times in his career. Warrior did it all the time. Shawn took his ball and went home while he lost his smile. Austin refused to job a bunch of times. Big deal Bret refused twice. Brisco is a mark
Austin refused to put HHH over at Summer Slam 99.
Bret was heading out of the company when a war as going on. Austin and Hogan also made the company money
Is Conrad n Bruce finally ALL ELITE?
Brisco changing his story multiple times. First he said it wasn't a title match and then later he says it was a title match. Bruce and Brisco are nothing but lap dogs for Vince.
To be fair, Brisco is 75 years old. One lapse in memory of a 75 year old former pro-wrestler that undoubtedly has been racked in the head more than a few times is hardly evidence of being a "lap dog." I'm not saying he is or isn't, but it's clear that's what YOU think and you conveniently cherry-picked a piece that fits your narrative.
@@D2Kprime Brisco said that Survivor Series wasn't the first time that Bret refused to drop the title and then goes on to tell a story about a match that wasn't even for the title 😅 Absolute BS
@@hitman19861 how do you know if he planned those matches too or not?
@@D2Kprime 😂 that’s a strechh
@Bryan Mack To be fair its only the WWF yes men and WWF office stooges that say Bret turned down every possible alternative. The same people who have been pushing the company's babyface version of why the Screwjob happened (Bret thinking he was a Canadian hero) and never mention the version about Bret going to Shawn to bury the hatchet and telling him he would be happy to put him over and that Shawn was going to be safe in the ring with him and Shawn said he couldn't say the same thing back.
If you notice, the WWF yes men like Pritchard & Brisco always paint Bret out to be shady because they have had it drilled into them since the day of Screwjob whereas others like Cornette and JR who dont have Vince's hand up their asses like puppets tell a different story
Brisco sounds like Ol’ Gil from The Simpsons
The truth is, Bret is a hypocrite. Guys like hbk, Hogan may have refused to put people over but they don't go around teasing other guys for it. Hell hbk was imo a 5star main event jobber during his second run. Even Hogan put over guys like HHH, Lesnar and Yokozuna without complaining. Yet you got Bret, who in his book apparently has moaned and moaned about almost every guy he put over. The fact that Bret has the cojones to go out of his way to call out other people for not doing the job is completely farcical and downright frivolous and hypocritical. But the maple leafs just fail to see that. Steve Austin said it best,"If you put the letter S in front of hitman you get my exact opinion of Bret Hart"
Bret is a legend in his own mind, and that's where the problem starts.
@@gumdeo That is where a million problems start I might add
Bret was good and had a cool look but he was boring and at least Hogan would put people over
Shawn gets a lot of heat (which is deserved) but truth is, all those egotistical dudes had their heads up their asses...... EXCEPT TAKER
That's why Undertaker is the true GOAT.
Taker felt he didn't the title to validate his status. Boy was he right.
HBK talked shit about Hogan, Bret talked shit about Hogan, Austin talked shit about Hogan, guess what? They ALL ended up acting and doing the same shit just like Hogan
And Hogan was way more honorable with it and actually had it in his deal
I highly doubt they’d do a major title change on a house show in the middle of the desert. I can see him not wanting to lose but I don’t think there was a title on the line.
was thinking the same thing
Agreed, this is BS
You didn’t listen. Clear as day he said it was a tournament not a title match
@@willsmith625 tournament not a title match
There was stories about the Brisco screwing over talent I bet some older stories could tell stories on Brisco
I'm a bit shocked that Conrad's head didn't explode from the cognitive dissonance of Bret being perfect in his mind, versus a true story told by Brisco where he's...not so perfect.
That doesn't work for me Taker BROTHER
The but he didn't want to lose in Canada stuff is a dumb argument anyways, so Taker is American if he had that attitude then Bret isn't even champ anyways as I recall SS was held in the good ole USA.
Billionare Connie? Too funny.
Hmm...must be talking about the Oman show on 10/29. I could see Vince trying to get the title off Bret there and just having Shawn vs. Bret at Survivor Series w/o the title. (Match result was a double countout).
Yeah hard to say, but I doubt it. He says their was another time he refused to drop the title, but than told the story saying it was a non title match , and he just didn’t want to lose because of canadian fans or possibly the fact he was a baby face everywhere except USA. So he didn’t refuse to drop the belt to Taker it wasn’t planned as a title match for whatever reason, or it was and he would lose by DQ or count out.
@@danielmelvin4525 see I thought it might have been the 4/6 show in South Africa which felt like it made more sense (Bret just did the turn), only Undertaker was champion then.
Bret beat Taker via DQ in Bahrain on 10/30/97, just 10 days away from Survivor Series. It wasn't a tournament match and there's no way Vince would have wanted his outgoing champ losing fairly just over a week away from WWE's biggest match of the year. It would have made both Bret and Michaels look weaker. Brisco is playing fast and loose with the facts here.
Almost sound like Bret never wanted to lose to the Undertaker because he figured he would get the better " feel good/go home moment" judging by the fans at a glorified house show.
If that's the case why does Undertaker assume (heard him on a podcast) that Bret might have dropped the title to him in Montreal
@Abdul Ahad taker said that's what he told vince they should do or something similar
@@edwardcorey1071 as per his own words he either pitched the idea or now thinks replacing him with Shawn would have been better
This Brisco story doesn't go with this thoughts
At the end of the day Bret was an employee of WWF,....meaning he was on a payrol to do whatever his BOSS and company owner (Vince) asks him to do but he believed his own hype and refused to do business and became bitter old man, if any of us bahaved the same way in our jobs we would of been diciplined, written warning, the whole works and then fired if that behaviour continued.
Bret and Shawn behaved like 2 spoilt brats who not only accepted their big pay cheques but also wanted to call the shots, worse thing Vince ever did was giving either of them the winged belt and because of all this I believe is why Vince is so controlling in recent years, he will never allow any of his employees to hold him up or dictate business ever again.
Not a employee...a independent contractor...two different things...can't have it both ways...although Vince has been trying to for years.
It was, is and always will be a work.
Bret had the legal right to refuse a Vince McMahon demanded finish.
Bret’s 20 year contract signed in October of 1996 stated “All match finishes in the last 30 days of Bret Hart’s WWF career must be agreed upon by both Bret Hart and Vince McMahon.” Vince signed that contract. Then he cowardly went back on what he agreed to a year prior. None of this is Bret’s fault.
Bret have creative input not creative control
Brisco would've fucked over anybody Vince wanted to why money he need to live to so Brisco did what was best for him and his bank account.
That’s funny, Taker has never had anything but great things to say about Bret…probably because this story is BS.
Errr----what?!?
Cant understand Gerri.
Pat&The Briscos are GOAT
I read it was just a match
Comments say it was a title match
Won't go about the whole tape
Brisco must have some made up Disco in his mind
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Brisco never liked Bret. This reeks of:
"It's been long enough...DID YOU KNOW THAT BRET..."
Made up horseshit by the Screwjob Club.
Same I've been thinking
Did they screw over hogan stone cold undertaker or Vince toy boy Shawn no Shawn could go find his smile and it was always under Vinces desk
You are such a mark. When did any of those guys need to be screwed over
Bret's EGO is his own enemy.
Right….
@@derekazyan9942 Bret's book is the biggest form of disinformation in world history
Scott Hall said it best about Bret Hart when he was discussing how low Bret's pay was in the mid 90s when he was a top guy. Hall said Bret didn't care how much he was getting paid as long as he got to put the sharpshooter on someone every night, he just wanted to "win".
Brisco the stooge on TV and real life
Bret always was the biggest Mark for himself.
Smh I blame HBK. Dude was such a wimp
HBK is the biggest pussy in wrestling history. He wanted the guy who got the most pussy OUT of the company. Shawn is still jealous of Bret to this day. You can feel it in interviews.
Nah Bret's fault
Bret is not the honest super hero angel like everyone thinks
Well is honest... lol.
Its almost as if realizing this simple fact is like feeding catnip to most if the IWC smh
Yes, he is. Aside from sleeping with countless women while being married, he really was what was best for wrestling. The Screwjob is the reason why WWE has died a slow death ever since. Triple H, Shawn, Vince and now Stephanie have to die off to see any sort of improvement. Might as well turn it off and go to AEW.
Bret was a mark for himself.
Bret “The ShitMan” Hart never wanted to lose because he a crybaby, & always wanted his way… I was glad to see him go! He was boring to watch, & was a legend only In his own mind…
Stooges were nothing but ass kissers to Vince who didn't like Bret for whatever reason but for some reason HBK got a pass for all the bullcrap he pulled. Seems legit.
I like how you can't comprehend the situation
None of this adds up
In what way?
Bret not wanting to lose..real surprise!!!lol
Bret Hart is one of the best technical pro wrestlers ever, BUT he took his ‘Canadian hero’ egotism to heights that were just plain ludicrous. I lived in Canada for a good while, and tbh, nobody, including wrestling fans that I had asked about him, gave two Canadian cents about him. Their attitude was pretty much ‘Its not like he won the Stanley Cup or anything, so who cares?’ But say a single measly bad word about Wayne Gretzky or any Canadian NHL team and those were fighting words. Hart took himself WAY too seriously. He was the working version of Jim Cornette. And l love hearing Cornette’s podcast/s so I am not trying to ridicule Corny at all. Great at what he does, but at some point he had to realize he is an employee that is the ‘champion’ because he was chosen to be the ‘champion’. AndI am not saying Bret Hart could not legitimately shoot wrestle, but he never truly honestly legitimately ever WON anything.
Only if it made sense. That's when you lose, period. Especially if you're the top guy.
@@moffjerjerrod1579 But this "Canadian Hero" stuff has been pushed to the extreme by the WWF spin doctors after the Screwjob to discredit Bret. Im sure Bret does think he was some kind of Canadian Hero and to some extent he was but the WWF really ran with that after Montreal in order to make it look like Bret was disillusional and the WWF was the babyface instead of telling it how it was that the screwjob happened because Shawn was the biggest prick on the planet at the time and Bret wasnt going to bow to him lol
@@moffjerjerrod1579 your making crap up. All My friends loved Bret