I was already very familiar with this operation so I actually came here to check the quality of the video and find out if it was worth subscribing. Let's just say I was so pleased with the quality, I watched it to the very end despite knowing the entire story already. Subscriber count: +1
Probably cose there are other, older and vastly popular (and in some aspect better) videos about those topics. About Channel Dash specificly there are great videos by Operation Room and BuzBattles. Btw, this one look suspiciously symilar to Buz's one.
Here to make a shoutout to Historigraph for showing Your channel. Much respect for You and Your work! Very enjoyable and a wonderful job done! Instant subscriber.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 It was ending anyway. Germany was running out of fuel therefore Naval fleet was always on the clock. Plus US comiting to carriers fully broke/changed Naval warfare and rendered all these fleets useless.
@@MALITH666 'Plus US comiting to carriers fully broke/changed Naval warfare and rendered all these fleets useless.' Really? Perhaps you might explain the importance of US carriers in the naval war against Germany?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 They didnt have to. Its a case of 'even if Germany managed to have a surface fleet'. American partners, the British, succesfully did that with their fleet air arm. Which is the prelude for the this mission. 1940 aircrafts were far too great deterrent than the biggest battleship.
I was reading a biography of Nelson in shop where Commander Fanning came in. Happy to see some one interested in Naval History he offered his copies of Nelsons letters for me to read. I was told after he left that he had been awarded the D.S.C. Commander Fanning returned with a huge book and I asked about his medal. He said that he had been a navigator whilst chasing the Prince Eugene and Gneisenau and that the government had dished out some medals and his name was pulled out of hat to recieve a medal. When you think of the responsibility of of these young men, I feel very humble.
@freebeerfordworkers I understand. Yet he navigated a flotilla of ships and therefore had thousands of lives to look after. One of those very young men who took on huge responsibility. I respect them all.
Wow, boys - calm down. - Here to add to these pronunciation critiques: quality video, presenting a very accessible explanation of this thrilling wartime episode. Good script and graphics.
I actually think the pronunciation was quite good. Except maybe for the city of Wilhelmshaven, which sounded like "Wilhelmshown". I suppose this is an artificial computer generated voice. Maybe it's programmed or follows the name "Copenhagen" as a role model, which in Danish is written "København" and pronounced "Koebenhown". The V in Wilhelmshaven (literally: Williamsport /Williamshaven) is pronounced as F. Side note: The V in German and Dutch words and names of Germanic origin is pronounced as F . Examples: Vater (father), Vogel (bird), vier (four), vorbei (over, past), Volk (people, the people, folk), Hannover (Hanover), von Bismarck, van Beethoven, Amstelveen (Dutch town), Bremerhaven (coastal city, port of Bremen) ... Whereas the V in German words of Latin/Romance origin is pronounced as V. Like: Variation (variation), violett (violet), Vibration, Viktor/Viktoria (personal names), Vakanz (vacancy), Lavendel (lavender) etc.
Excellent, detailed exposition with good, simple and clear graphics. Information is mainly accurate as well. My only criticism is that some of the translations are a little too direct and need to be corrected into English idiom. Good to hear a non-transAtlantic accent and a clear voice. I look forward to the next one.
The account is good, but does not mention that Bletchley Park had decrypted the co-ordinates of the swept channel past Terschelling, which enabled the RAF to drop mines into the swept channel and thus damage both battlecruisers. Scharnhorst took months to repair and my recollection is that Gneisenau was bombed while on a floating dock at Kiel so that she was never used again in anger. I defer to better information.
Nicely done Warline! Altough to be frank your map about the Dutch coastline is not just "more recent" as somebody has already pointed out but also incorrect regardless of the time it is set. Because the dijk which separates the Ijjselmeer from the North see was already built by the beginning of the war but the Markerwaarddijk which separates the Ijjselmeer and the Markermeer was not. But the point is the Markermeer is shown as a body of water on your map but the Ijjselmeer is not. This is a clear mistake whatever time the map is based on. I know it sounds harsh but to be honest I really loved your work and your video. It is great that you have put this together. I just wanted to help you with you later contents. Keep up the good work!
@@TermiteUSA Nobody said it wasnt decent enough for its purpose. But still a map is a map and it should be correct otherwise people get confused and with mistakes like this its harder to locate the exact location of the story.
Much as people like to talk about "blah blah, German strategic defeat" , "blah blah running away / retreating", while extolling the heroism of the British units which were sent piecemeal as part of the 'plans' for Fuller, I simply cannot fault the German operations in either planning or execution. 'Cerberus' is rightly viewed as a brilliant operation by the Germans.
Thanks for this, like others I had read a fair bit about it BUT your maps etc put the words in a better perspective - for example, I hadn't taken on board just how far along they were when first found nor how much luck played a part (HMS Sealion/recon Spits etc).
@@TheWarlineI always wondered why the St Margarets Bay 14" guns didn't seem to play a part, at least one was in place by end of 1940 and the other somewhere around the Dash itself..?
@@TheWarline You may not be mistaken, I have strong recollections 9.2" guns were on the coast, ex-navy ones which had no ship to go on (though I think Drac mentioned plans for a "super cruiser" with 9.2" guns..). I wouldn't bet proper money on it however (the 9.2" coastal guns, not the super cruiser). My favoured author said Pooh was installed in Feb '41 so could have been around for the Dash but later on two 15" were also mounted. They and the 14" guns had duels with German heavy coast guns it is claimed, along with some railway guns of similar calibre. Anyway, today I have enjoyed two of your videos and expect I will enjoy some others no doubt.
Heinz Knoke in his book, I flew for the Führer, described the operation from his position flying cover for part of the dash. The Germans were able to.maintain silence until swordfish appeared, them the typical Luftwaffe radio chaos ensued with everybody talking all over each other. He seemed to feel German pilots were a bit excitable when in combat.
Kenneth Campbell and his 3 crewmen perished in the attack on Gneisenau, but he and his crew's bravery put Gneisenau out of action for many months in which it might have wreaked havoc on British convoys. God bless the brave men of the RAF and RNAF.
Why is the closed captioning text so wildly different from the spoken audio? In some parts, it's literally describing details never covered by the narrator.
6-5-24. 12.47.p.m. 22' Saludos internautas, uno mas que se suma a las fila.lei sobre la operacion cerbero, en los 70, en una obra de coleccion. " ASI FUE LA 2DA GM" y lo percibi con emocion y romantisismo, ahora que he visto este video, comprendo lo que la narracion describia, ((( si pudieras describir, las batallas y contrabatallas de rhize, diciembre, 41 a octubre, 42, graficarlo, ahhhh, tambien lo de las colinas de mamayek, ((( stalingrado: setiembre: 42, gracias.....saludos internautas, ...firmes y erguidos.
I’ve always heard the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau referred to as “Pocket Battleships,” not as “battlecruisers.” In fact, when HMS Glorious was sunk by the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst, the message it sent out specifically identified the two capital ships attacking it as “PBs,” which was the abbreviation the Royal Navy used for German pocket battleships. I had always understood that, though lighter than a regular battleship, the pocket battleship still had more armour than the typical fast battlecruiser (such as the HMS Hood). Could you please clarify this terminological confusion? Doesn’t a pocket battleship also have a bit more firepower than a typical battlecruiser, which sacrifices armour and a few guns in the secondary battery usually in return for markedly increased speed? I guess I’m simply wondering *how* the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau survived *so* much battle damage from torpedoes, naval guns, aircraft bombs, and mines without sinking, whereas the most celebrated battlecruiser in the world, the HMS Hood, was sunk quickly by **ONE* direct hit from one of Bismarck’s naval guns…to be followed in short order to the bottom of the sea by the battlecruiser HMS Repulse, part of the foolishly small Force Z sent with nearly no air cover to “intimidate the Japanese” and defend Singapore. Instead, the kido butai had little difficulty locating the battleship HMS Prince of Wales and the Repulse; launched their torpedo and dive bombers; and easily sunk both warships. This is my point: a pocket battleship *does* sacrifice *some* armour to *seem* to comply with the Washington Naval Treaty, but in fact these warships were still perfectly well defended enough to operate in formations with slower ships in relative safety, and, more importantly, to form part of a naval battle line, and be able to depend on its armour to offer it a good deal of protection as it exchanged shots with enemy warships. The same cannot be said of the standard battlecruiser, whose greatest assets were its speed and maneuverability.
"pocket battleship" referred to the much smaller KMS Deutschland and KMS Graf Spee, equipped with smaller guns (only 6, 11 inch guns) and lighter armor, as well as being much smaller to the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, which were very much comparable to the HMS Hood in size. Pocket Battleships have far less firepower and armor than battlecruisers, and were only employed by the Germans during the interwar period to skirt treaty limitations on their ships. Think of battlecruisers as battleships with less armor and higher speeds. Pocket Battleships are smaller and weaker in every way--their like bite-sized candy.
@@fightingdreamer123 , this was not how the Royal Navy categorized the Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. When those ships were spotted, HMS Glorious Used the abbreviations P/Bs, in the message sent to the Admiralty. I appreciate your response, though. Thank you.
@@MrMalvolio29 Glorious had more pressing matters concerning her than whether she was being attacked by Deutschlands or Scharnhorsts. The Scharnhorsts were definitely called battleships by the German navy.
@@fightingdreamer123The Germans never used the term Pocket Battleship. They used Panzerschiffe which means armored ship. In terms of concept the Panzerschiffe were closer to the armoured cruisers of the pre-dreadnought era
Deutschland was renamed Lutzow - before the Norwegian campaign. Renamed by Hitler as he did not want a warship called Deutschland to be sunk. In the German Navy, Deutschland / later Lutzow was classified as panzerschiff / armoured ship , this could be translated as armoured cruiser. Some newspapers of the time called the Deutschland a pocket battleship.
By which I assume you mean that the three German heavy ships fled back to Germany under a massive air umbrella, abandoned any future possibility of operating in the Atlantic, and thus played almost no part in the rest of the war, Admiral Raeder declared the Dash a major strategic reversal. He was correct.
Good video i enjoyed it 👍 however a few mistakes in the wording. its not "the HMS Hood" or "The bomber command" its just "HMS hood" and "bomber command". Also the official name of the navy of the UK is "the Royal navy" not "the British navy"
I read someplace that, after the Gneiseau was badly damaged by bombing in Kiel in early 1942, it was planned to not only replace her bow but lengthen it. Would this have allowed her to carry eight 15 inch guns? I assume that she could not do so in her original design.
15:50 While we Dutchies are indeed amazing when it comes to draining land, I don't remember our polders in the IJsselmeer looking like that. Or us having a town called Flushing. Quite a shame because this is an amazing video and has really well done animations.
I think dutchy whining I've map accuracy has gotten older and more pointless by the day in these comments. If any coastal islands had really played an important role it would have figured more clearly in the story. Other country's coastlines were to the same scale.
Great video, but you should work on your sense of direction. You confused East for West and vice versa several times in the video. Otherwise, it's fantastic!
Ok so a minor correction: Victorious renown and repulse didnt battle bismarck. That was suffolk, norfolk, rodney and i think sheffield or dorsetshire, along with king george V.l
Victorious, or, at least, her aircraft, did. Repulse was with King George V (not VI) initially, but withdrew due to lack of fuel Renown stayed with Ark Royal, as the whereabouts of Prinz Eugen were unknown.
Operation Cerberus was just about the only time in the entire war that German ships proceeded at sea with proper air cover. Perhaps their freinds in japan talked some sense into them.
A clever and cunning plan by the Kreigsmarine, or a dismal failure of British command. I cannot see how taking the direct route from point A to point B, was innovative. That event should be described for what it was.
The more I watch this video, the more I'm convinced it's read by a bot, who's reading a script with typos in. Clearly at one point the narrator says "petrol line", rather than "Patrol line" which left me very confused.
Rest in Peace: *Kenneth Campbell, VC* and his three crew mates, *Sergeants J. P. Scott DFM RCAF (navigator), R. W. Hillman (wireless operator)* and *W. C. Mulliss (air gunner)* that died alongside Sir Campbell after their Beaufort was bought down by anti-air after their daring torpedo run. According to Wiki. The Germans buried Sir Campbell and his three crew members with full military honours. Sadly, while their heroic sacrifice didnt sink the Gneisenau, They still did enough damage to push her back to port
Scharnhorst was sunk over a year later at North Cape, Prinz Eugen survived the war, was surrendered to the US who then sunk her at Bikini Atoll and Gniesenau was used as a block and sunk intentionally at the end of the war and was scrapped after Germany surrendered
Prinz Eugen was not sunk at Bikini Atoll, she survived able and baker, due to a bilge pump failure she rolled over at Kwajalein Atoll where she rests with her rudder, port shaft and center screw visible.
It seems there is some debate over whether you pronounce the 'G' in Gneisenau. I have always been taught it was a silent G by professors I learned under for Modern History, but some channels on YT seem to believe you do say the G making it an awkward word to speak.
I was already very familiar with this operation so I actually came here to check the quality of the video and find out if it was worth subscribing. Let's just say I was so pleased with the quality, I watched it to the very end despite knowing the entire story already. Subscriber count: +1
Seconded.
Was there not somekind of duel between British and German coastal artillery?
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This channel has 600 subscribers? it should be in the millions range. What an incredibly well put together video.
No Kidding!
Probably cose there are other, older and vastly popular (and in some aspect better) videos about those topics. About Channel Dash specificly there are great videos by Operation Room and BuzBattles. Btw, this one look suspiciously symilar to Buz's one.
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Yes, very high effort videos
More fool them
Just been recommended by histograph channel , good video.
Same here! Found this channel that way too. Made sure to subscribe. Looking forward to future videos!
This channel needs far more exposure + appreciation!
Here to make a shoutout to Historigraph for showing Your channel. Much respect for You and Your work! Very enjoyable and a wonderful job done! Instant subscriber.
This is terrific. The channel dash was always one of my favorite world war maneuvers
Your back! I’m so glad. I hope you do get more recognition.
I love the history of battleships. Respect for all the captains regardless of nation or reasoning. Absolutely amazing marvels of war technology.
I love this mission. It was so bold, mad and straight to the point. Plus succeeded.
Indeed. A successful strategic calamity for the Germans, effectively signalling the end of their surface fleet as a relevant factor in the war.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 It was ending anyway. Germany was running out of fuel therefore Naval fleet was always on the clock. Plus US comiting to carriers fully broke/changed Naval warfare and rendered all these fleets useless.
@@MALITH666 'Plus US comiting to carriers fully broke/changed Naval warfare and rendered all these fleets useless.' Really? Perhaps you might explain the importance of US carriers in the naval war against Germany?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 They didnt have to. Its a case of 'even if Germany managed to have a surface fleet'.
American partners, the British, succesfully did that with their fleet air arm. Which is the prelude for the this mission. 1940 aircrafts were far too great deterrent than the biggest battleship.
@@MALITH666 Which German warships, or come to that Italian warships, were either sunk, or even crippled, by Fleet Air Arm aircraft?
This was really good, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
I love the video but I spotted that your map may be more recent because of the coastline of the Netherlands. Keep up the good work!
Historiograph brought me here. Excellent channel, you're looking at some serious growth in the near future. High quality video.
Wow this channel deserves atleast 100k subs with content like this
This is the most underrated channel ever, good luck man, earned a sub :)
Wonderful graphics and narration. Please continue making videos! You will get the recognition you deserve soon.
Your last 2 videos, phenomenal. You've found your mix.
Keep up the good work.
So happy I found this channel by accident, keep up the good work! Can’t wait to watch more of your videos!
Incredible content. waiting impatiently for more.(thanks historygraph)
What a good coordination and plan by the kriegmarine and the Luftwaffe, their dedication is commendable!
Found this channel by accident, but I’m glad I did. Great story telling and animation.
I was reading a biography of Nelson in shop where Commander Fanning came in. Happy to see some one interested in Naval History he offered his copies of Nelsons letters for me to read. I was told after he left that he had been awarded the D.S.C. Commander Fanning returned with a huge book and I asked about his medal. He said that he had been a navigator whilst chasing the Prince Eugene and Gneisenau and that the government had dished out some medals and his name was pulled out of hat to recieve a medal.
When you think of the responsibility of of these young men, I feel very humble.
@freebeerfordworkers I understand. Yet he navigated a flotilla of ships and therefore had thousands of lives to look after.
One of those very young men who took on huge responsibility.
I respect them all.
Hi there,
just to be precise: The name of the ship was >Prinz Eugen< .
Great Video, best one I’ve seen on the channel dash
The British submarine Sealy-un!?! It's Sea-Lion!
Ya, and Boulogne isn't Bologna either!
Tee-Pits...no it's pronounced Tur-puhts
Wow, boys - calm down.
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Here to add to these pronunciation critiques: quality video, presenting a very accessible explanation of this thrilling wartime episode. Good script and graphics.
Frisian was another one
AI innit.
Lovely narration and animation, and I honestly applaud your approach of butchering French, English and German city and ship names alike.
I actually think the pronunciation was quite good. Except maybe for the city of Wilhelmshaven, which sounded like "Wilhelmshown". I suppose this is an artificial computer generated voice. Maybe it's programmed or follows the name "Copenhagen" as a role model, which in Danish is written "København" and pronounced "Koebenhown".
The V in Wilhelmshaven (literally: Williamsport /Williamshaven) is pronounced as F.
Side note:
The V in German and Dutch words and names of Germanic origin is pronounced as F .
Examples: Vater (father), Vogel (bird), vier (four), vorbei (over, past), Volk (people, the people, folk), Hannover (Hanover), von Bismarck, van Beethoven, Amstelveen (Dutch town), Bremerhaven (coastal city, port of Bremen) ...
Whereas the V in German words of Latin/Romance origin is pronounced as V.
Like: Variation (variation), violett (violet), Vibration, Viktor/Viktoria (personal names), Vakanz (vacancy), Lavendel (lavender) etc.
Came here from historiograph!
Thanks for drawing our attention to this excellent account of the Channel dash👍
What a great video. This chanell will blow up for sure
Amazing video, always so interesting to see the Ugly Sisters in action.
Came here by recommendation.good video,hats off
Very good video loved the detail and style
Wow! That WW2 must've been terrifying for all those involved. I'm just glad no one got hurt.
Nope, no casualties during the whole war!
A very good video and telling the story of a significant historical event.
Bro this channel is so underrated 8.5k views only? It should be more.
Excellent, detailed exposition with good, simple and clear graphics. Information is mainly accurate as well. My only criticism is that some of the translations are a little too direct and need to be corrected into English idiom. Good to hear a non-transAtlantic accent and a clear voice. I look forward to the next one.
Info should not be mainly accurate. Either it is or not. In second case one should not spread it having a YT channel.
Even if they despised the Nazis, the British had to at least appreciate the Nelson-like boldness associated with the Channel Run.
Except Nelson never fled.
This is fantastic!
great graphics, and well told 😊
Prinz Eugen was a lucky ship that survived the war. It was destroyed in a post-war atomic bomb test.
Two nuclear bombs, and Prinz Eugen is still partially above water.
No, it wasn't, because nukes don't exist.
I don't care what you memorized from school, or what you watched on TV. Because that's all you have for proof.
Yamato:I the most heavy arm warship Prinz Eugen:are you sure about that precede to survive two nuke nagato and sakawa:same go for us
wow this is some high-quality stuff!
Awesome animation and subscribed.
Great production!
The account is good, but does not mention that Bletchley Park had decrypted the co-ordinates of the swept channel past Terschelling, which enabled the RAF to drop mines into the swept channel and thus damage both battlecruisers. Scharnhorst took months to repair and my recollection is that Gneisenau was bombed while on a floating dock at Kiel so that she was never used again in anger.
I defer to better information.
Very well animated
Poor Prinz Eugen... Survived the entire war only to die to a nuclear blast
Historigragh sent me. Excellent work
Nicely done Warline! Altough to be frank your map about the Dutch coastline is not just "more recent" as somebody has already pointed out but also incorrect regardless of the time it is set. Because the dijk which separates the Ijjselmeer from the North see was already built by the beginning of the war but the Markerwaarddijk which separates the Ijjselmeer and the Markermeer was not. But the point is the Markermeer is shown as a body of water on your map but the Ijjselmeer is not. This is a clear mistake whatever time the map is based on. I know it sounds harsh but to be honest I really loved your work and your video. It is great that you have put this together. I just wanted to help you with you later contents. Keep up the good work!
The coastline look level of details of all the countries were the same. The maps were adequate to show ship movements imo.
@@TermiteUSA Nobody said it wasnt decent enough for its purpose. But still a map is a map and it should be correct otherwise people get confused and with mistakes like this its harder to locate the exact location of the story.
What an interesting channel! Thanks for your efforts :)
The British Channel, you mean ?
Much as people like to talk about "blah blah, German strategic defeat" , "blah blah running away / retreating", while extolling the heroism of the British units which were sent piecemeal as part of the 'plans' for Fuller, I simply cannot fault the German operations in either planning or execution.
'Cerberus' is rightly viewed as a brilliant operation by the Germans.
Do you know who firdst called the Channel Dash a German Strategic Defeat? Some chap called Erich Raeder. I suggest that he was in a position to know.
Awesome vid looking forward to the next one
Thanks for this, like others I had read a fair bit about it BUT your maps etc put the words in a better perspective - for example, I hadn't taken on board just how far along they were when first found nor how much luck played a part (HMS Sealion/recon Spits etc).
@@TheWarlineI always wondered why the St Margarets Bay 14" guns didn't seem to play a part, at least one was in place by end of 1940 and the other somewhere around the Dash itself..?
@@TheWarline You may not be mistaken, I have strong recollections 9.2" guns were on the coast, ex-navy ones which had no ship to go on (though I think Drac mentioned plans for a "super cruiser" with 9.2" guns..). I wouldn't bet proper money on it however (the 9.2" coastal guns, not the super cruiser). My favoured author said Pooh was installed in Feb '41 so could have been around for the Dash but later on two 15" were also mounted. They and the 14" guns had duels with German heavy coast guns it is claimed, along with some railway guns of similar calibre. Anyway, today I have enjoyed two of your videos and expect I will enjoy some others no doubt.
Well done and informative, thank-you.
Great video! I have no doubt this channel will take off like a rocket quickly!👍🙏😎
Also came in by a recommendation. Maybe you'll get a lot of new subscribers now :)
“Both of these were battlecruisers”
Oh boy you just caused a firestorm
I rather call them Undergunned Battleships, but Also agree with the term Battlectuiser
Nah, they are battlecruisers in role and usage.
@@alphamaccao5224 Not at all. The intend was to counter the Dunkerque class. That makes them Battleships.
Now this is great content
Heinz Knoke in his book, I flew for the Führer, described the operation from his position flying cover for part of the dash.
The Germans were able to.maintain silence until swordfish appeared, them the typical Luftwaffe radio chaos ensued with everybody talking all over each other.
He seemed to feel German pilots were a bit excitable when in combat.
Great details!! Kudos!
Great detail
Really excellent presentation.
This video reminds me almost to mutch about the operation room video about the dash through the channel
Can’t wait for part 2!
Kenneth Campbell and his 3 crewmen perished in the attack on Gneisenau, but he and his crew's bravery put Gneisenau out of action for many months in which it might have wreaked havoc on British convoys. God bless the brave men of the RAF and RNAF.
every goddamn pilot/crew was a knucklehead within that airforce
He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross for his actions.
There was also some electronic / radio deception conducted just prior to the dash.
Why is the closed captioning text so wildly different from the spoken audio? In some parts, it's literally describing details never covered by the narrator.
Could have sworn some fella named Galland played an active role in the dash.
Keep 'em comin!
6-5-24. 12.47.p.m. 22'
Saludos internautas, uno mas que se suma a las fila.lei sobre la operacion cerbero, en los 70, en una obra de coleccion. " ASI FUE LA 2DA GM" y lo percibi con emocion y romantisismo, ahora que he visto este video, comprendo lo que la narracion describia, ((( si pudieras describir, las batallas y contrabatallas de rhize, diciembre, 41 a octubre, 42, graficarlo, ahhhh, tambien lo de las colinas de mamayek, ((( stalingrado: setiembre: 42, gracias.....saludos internautas, ...firmes y erguidos.
Well told...
Excellent.
Radio silence. Had the fighters been able to call back position, the Germans might possible have been stopped at the choke point. Well done Britain
I’ve always heard the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau referred to as “Pocket Battleships,” not as “battlecruisers.” In fact, when HMS Glorious was sunk by the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst, the message it sent out specifically identified the two capital ships attacking it as “PBs,” which was the abbreviation the Royal Navy used for German pocket battleships. I had always understood that, though lighter than a regular battleship, the pocket battleship still had more armour than the typical fast battlecruiser (such as the HMS Hood). Could you please clarify this terminological confusion? Doesn’t a pocket battleship also have a bit more firepower than a typical battlecruiser, which sacrifices armour and a few guns in the secondary battery usually in return for markedly increased speed? I guess I’m simply wondering *how* the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau survived *so* much battle damage from torpedoes, naval guns, aircraft bombs, and mines without sinking, whereas the most celebrated battlecruiser in the world, the HMS Hood, was sunk quickly by **ONE* direct hit from one of Bismarck’s naval guns…to be followed in short order to the bottom of the sea by the battlecruiser HMS Repulse, part of the foolishly small Force Z sent with nearly no air cover to “intimidate the Japanese” and defend Singapore. Instead, the kido butai had little difficulty locating the battleship HMS Prince of Wales and the Repulse; launched their torpedo and dive bombers; and easily sunk both warships.
This is my point: a pocket battleship *does* sacrifice *some* armour to *seem* to comply with the Washington Naval Treaty, but in fact these warships were still perfectly well defended enough to operate in formations with slower ships in relative safety, and, more importantly, to form part of a naval battle line, and be able to depend on its armour to offer it a good deal of protection as it exchanged shots with enemy warships.
The same cannot be said of the standard battlecruiser, whose greatest assets were its speed and maneuverability.
"pocket battleship" referred to the much smaller KMS Deutschland and KMS Graf Spee, equipped with smaller guns (only 6, 11 inch guns) and lighter armor, as well as being much smaller to the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, which were very much comparable to the HMS Hood in size. Pocket Battleships have far less firepower and armor than battlecruisers, and were only employed by the Germans during the interwar period to skirt treaty limitations on their ships.
Think of battlecruisers as battleships with less armor and higher speeds. Pocket Battleships are smaller and weaker in every way--their like bite-sized candy.
@@fightingdreamer123 , this was not how the Royal Navy categorized the Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. When those ships were spotted, HMS Glorious Used the abbreviations P/Bs, in the message sent to the Admiralty. I appreciate your response, though. Thank you.
@@MrMalvolio29 Glorious had more pressing matters concerning her than whether she was being attacked by Deutschlands or Scharnhorsts.
The Scharnhorsts were definitely called battleships by the German navy.
@@fightingdreamer123The Germans never used the term Pocket Battleship. They used Panzerschiffe which means armored ship. In terms of concept the Panzerschiffe were closer to the armoured cruisers of the pre-dreadnought era
Deutschland was renamed Lutzow - before the Norwegian campaign. Renamed by Hitler as he did not want a warship called Deutschland to be sunk. In the German Navy, Deutschland / later Lutzow was classified as panzerschiff / armoured ship , this could be translated as armoured cruiser. Some newspapers of the time called the Deutschland a pocket battleship.
Great content dude I landed here due too historiograph.
Quality work 👍 👏
Came from historigraph, great content indeed !
Listening to the operation being narrated got me anxious.
0:12 Who were considered the Allies in March of 1941?
That German task force cruised the English Channel taunting the Brits to do something about it…
By which I assume you mean that the three German heavy ships fled back to Germany under a massive air umbrella, abandoned any future possibility of operating in the Atlantic, and thus played almost no part in the rest of the war,
Admiral Raeder declared the Dash a major strategic reversal. He was correct.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 A risky dash, torpedos and mines made it to risky…
which island is being illustrated when you claim that Tirpiz was in the Baltic Sea at 4:40?
I betcha Otto never misses an opportunity to tell people he is a celiac.
Good video i enjoyed it 👍 however a few mistakes in the wording. its not "the HMS Hood" or "The bomber command" its just "HMS hood" and "bomber command". Also the official name of the navy of the UK is "the Royal navy" not "the British navy"
I read someplace that, after the Gneiseau was badly damaged by bombing in Kiel in early 1942, it was planned to not only replace her bow but lengthen it. Would this have allowed her to carry eight 15 inch guns? I assume that she could not do so in her original design.
No. Her nine eleven inch in three turrets were to have been replaced by six fifteen inch in three twin turrets.
Best video I ever seen.
15:50 While we Dutchies are indeed amazing when it comes to draining land, I don't remember our polders in the IJsselmeer looking like that. Or us having a town called Flushing. Quite a shame because this is an amazing video and has really well done animations.
I just googled it and apparently the british also refer to the town of Vlissingen as Flushing.
@@bavo981 Some people also refer to the Netherlands as Holland. That does not mean those people are correct.
Can you come and drain my swamp?
@@piccolo917 no one was saying that lmao
I think dutchy whining I've map accuracy has gotten older and more pointless by the day in these comments. If any coastal islands had really played an important role it would have figured more clearly in the story. Other country's coastlines were to the same scale.
Great video, but you should work on your sense of direction. You confused East for West and vice versa several times in the video. Otherwise, it's fantastic!
Ok so a minor correction:
Victorious renown and repulse didnt battle bismarck. That was suffolk, norfolk, rodney and i think sheffield or dorsetshire, along with king george V.l
Victorious, or, at least, her aircraft, did. Repulse was with King George V (not VI) initially, but withdrew due to lack of fuel Renown stayed with Ark Royal, as the whereabouts of Prinz Eugen were unknown.
Such a dash that made the British look very incompetent. "Fotune favors the bold". It certainly did so her
No. It made the Royal Air Force look incompetent.
To not include Rodney in the graphic regarding sinking Bismarck is criminal.
ah dats why Prinz Eugene called the Lucky Ship through-out the end of war.
Fat Goehring meanwhile talking about the greatness of ze luftwaffel.. lol
Operation Cerberus was just about the only time in the entire war that German ships proceeded at sea with proper air cover. Perhaps their freinds in japan talked some sense into them.
A clever and cunning plan by the Kreigsmarine, or a dismal failure of British command.
I cannot see how taking the direct route from point A to point B, was innovative.
That event should be described for what it was.
The more I watch this video, the more I'm convinced it's read by a bot, who's reading a script with typos in. Clearly at one point the narrator says "petrol line", rather than "Patrol line" which left me very confused.
Great cideo! Subbed!
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Rest in Peace: *Kenneth Campbell, VC* and his three crew mates, *Sergeants J. P. Scott DFM RCAF (navigator), R. W. Hillman (wireless operator)* and *W. C. Mulliss (air gunner)* that died alongside Sir Campbell after their Beaufort was bought down by anti-air after their daring torpedo run.
According to Wiki. The Germans buried Sir Campbell and his three crew members with full military honours. Sadly, while their heroic sacrifice didnt sink the Gneisenau, They still did enough damage to push her back to port
Scharnhorst was sunk over a year later at North Cape, Prinz Eugen survived the war, was surrendered to the US who then sunk her at Bikini Atoll and Gniesenau was used as a block and sunk intentionally at the end of the war and was scrapped after Germany surrendered
Prinz Eugen was not sunk at Bikini Atoll, she survived able and baker, due to a bilge pump failure she rolled over at Kwajalein Atoll where she rests with her rudder, port shaft and center screw visible.
@@powderb2009 thank you for clear that out, Prinz Eugen would have survived if there were no radiation after the nuclear explosion. RIP Prinz Eugen 🕊
The ships didn't "weigh" around 32 thousand tons. Their displacement was around 32 thousand tons.
It means the same, LOL.
@@romzwint4121 - In land-crab lingo, yes.
It seems there is some debate over whether you pronounce the 'G' in Gneisenau. I have always been taught it was a silent G by professors I learned under for Modern History, but some channels on YT seem to believe you do say the G making it an awkward word to speak.
Why didn't they sail around the horn of Africa?
I would not want to have to stand in front Churchill and tell the bad news. Nor would I want to be any of the major figures in this.