Thanks for the review! I agree with the last point in regards to the packages, there’s way too many “fluff and filler” resources. A fully custom option would be great 👍🏽
I fully agree with the packaging structures!! I spent all day yesterday looking and comparing all the packages (wish the compare tool included the academic packages too!!) and my head is spinning. I would absolutely prefer the ability to build my package with what I want with the features I want and not the bulk packages filled with stuff I don't want and won't use. Thanks for the informative video!!
Logos was really helpful when I switched from BibleWorks. They directed me to a crossgrade package, which had everything BibleWorks had and more, and it was a really good deal (like $800). They later had a big sale on resources and I called them. The sales person spent the time to find out what exactly I wanted then found the best way to get me the lowest price on all the specific books I wanted. He found some Academic add-on I think. I wound up spending another $400 and got everything I wanted (more than I'll ever need). Point being, they will sometimes make exceptions and help you out. It depends on the sales person's knowledge of the ecosystem and whether there is any wiggle room during a sale.
Love the panning and camera usage in this video when you're trying to show different things i.e. 23:20 ish when we see your set up as you're opening the book by Van hoozer. I know it can be a faff to try and do this when alone..but absolutely awesome mate and really appreciate the hardwork that often gets taken for granted in video production 😁
Thanks for the insightful video! I love all the new features in Logos 10 but I think I will get a trill using the "Quote" feature that is part of the Sermon Builder. As a teacher I am always looking for the right quotes to bring home a point to my students and this feature looks like it will be a lot simpler than plowing through quote books. I do agree with you on you most unpleasing feature in Logos. I have a lot of books by authors that I disagree with and will NEVER read that were thrown into the package I started with. Have a blessed day!
Great review. Integration and performance are improved. (And it took me 45 minutes to figure out whether my best option was to upgrade a library or features or Standard or Academic...) I really wanted the Print Catalog Library feature, but it cost so much more to upgrade to get that. I'm hoping they will at some point offer it as a separate purchase. Thanks.
Good video! I really like your idea of adding a tag to your print books to identify where they are located. In fact, uou could add a friend's library and tag them as his books.
The search in print feature is perhaps the killer feature for me. I use Logos Academic Professional, and the upgrade price from 9 to 10 was quite reasonable (about $200 for me). Purchasing and upgrading was incredibly easy.
the printed resources feature is only for searching. it is not for reading. I emailed them about my BAGD 2nd edition. turned out only can search, not browse like a licensed book
I'm disappointed the Print Library Catalog feature is only available in Gold and above. I have very little interest in the packages Logos has put together...there are simply too many resources that I would never use. I'd pay to be able to buy that feature à la carte, but as of today you can't. I also agree with your suggestion of being able to build our own packages at a discounted bundle rate. For the full feature upgrade it's $500...print library catalog is cool, but not $500 cool. Especially when it wouldnt' be my entire library, just a select few that have been digitized.
I understand. I guess you have to have a good reason to get the full feature set. You can probably survive without that feature a little longer though. You could upgrade to say the Bronze feature seat (unless you need the sermon and preaching modules) and then later upgrade again when you can afford it. But I also understand that money is tight, so these are just suggestions. 😉
Agree its really confusing about the base packages plus having to wait for a deal on each book set is inconvenient. Wish I could just get a bundle discount to start
Here is a tip that may help: If you want just the new features just purchase the Logos 10 Full Feature Upgrade (not a package with more books) I am a bit new to Logos and use it to teach the Bible to the Chinese and was excited about the translate feature for them, the best way to get all the features Full Feature Upgrade (May be obvious to most but I bought another package... lol) anyway the good news is the full feature upgrade isn't that expensive just not as a package :)
Well said. And you probably only need the full feature upgrade if you need the print catalog feature. Take a look at the feature details at bma.to/logosfeatures
Regarding adding a "location" field: The Add to Print Library" function works for adding names of Kindle resources. It would be helpful if an additional field could be added to include URL(s), which would allow launching the web version of the resource. This would also allow adding links to books that are Public Domain
@@bma A fantastic video showing how to add Kindle books to the "Add to Print Library" function just posted: "Logos 10 Print Library Catalog Tips and Tricks" th-cam.com/video/caMKhHG-Rjo/w-d-xo.html
Quick question: is there a way to have for example the ESV and Greek NT sync and have the greek word hilight when the english word is hilighted to help us see the greek word but not (interlinear) to learn faster? Does that make sense?
Yes! I show this right here: th-cam.com/video/kdIwlR9OYKI/w-d-xo.html To have it highlight words, make sure your corresponding words setting is turned on under resources.
Good question, I don't unfortunately. I do have Accordance, but I don't use it very much and so I'm not as familiar with it. Sorry about that, but thanks for the suggestion!
I used new software on my iPad this morning. Draw on Screen was not in the menu. Any reason why? this is the #1 feature I want as an apple pencil owner...
This is part of the Bronze Feature set. So if you've got the starter edition you won't see it. I hope that helps! Take a look at this link for details: bma.to/logosfeatures
Just upgraded to Reformed Bronze, another angle on the translation tool, I teach the Bible to the Chinese so the english resources will hopefully auto translate now... which is worth its weight in Gold for them.
It doesn't know how you own it - it just knows you have access to it. So yes, you could get a copy from your library and add that to your print catalog. 😀
I am not seeing the "Draw on Screen" option under my tools menu on my Ipad Pro. I just downloaded the App and opened it, do i have to make a purchase before that tool shows up? Thank YOu.
I see the value of the 'Print Library Scan and Search' feature, but personally not of any value to me, if it's in my print library then it's not in Logos, if it's in Logos then it's not in my print library other than my bibles and a few key resources. The enhancements to the mobile App for iPhone are great (I don't have an iPad or any other sort of tablet currently). On the desktop I don't care for the menu on left hand side so it's staying at top of screen for me. Enhancements to timeline, factbook tags (I can choose which ones are underlined in a resource) and bolstering of Church History supporting information are good improvements. Search simplification is a good thing too. I do like the translation feature for when reading a say a theology or other book that includes Latin quotes, this is time saving feature. I am building on my high school German, have a few German language resources so I think I will use this a little bit also as I grow my use of the language and dig a bit more into these resources, i can validate my understanding of the language, do my own translation first and then see what it suggests.
If you upgraded in the last 180 days you might get a bigger discount. If you're eligible you should get a notification or email from Logos with details. You can also try adding an upgrade to your cart and it *might* give you the recent purchaser price. Details here: bma.to/1cmcino
I really enjoy your channel. I had a couple of thoughts concerning your final comments on what you don't like. First, you can buy just the datasets without a library by shopping the Feature Upgrades, which do not include a library. You can also subscribe to Connect, which gives you the features automatically for every new version, and then you don't have to purchase anything new. Second, concerning the extra resources that I often think I would never use, I actually use many of them quite often under two circumstances. One, I do a lot of research, and I often find citations in academic resources to books that I have not heard of, but that I am pleasantly surprised that I own, so I can read the original quote in its greater context. Two, often times when I am watching a video like yours, or even listening to my preacher, and a book or author is referenced, I often have that book and can consult it directly. Lastly, though I do understand some see the extra resources as clutter, buying the larger packages is the best way to get the really expensive resources that you want for the best price. If I can get a base package for $500, which includes a $1500-$2000 commentary set along with a bunch of other resources, even though it will include some fluff, then I call it a win. I can always hide resources if I am sure that I will never want them to come up in searches.
Thanks Joseph, I agree the feature upgrades are helpful (Check them out at bma.to/lemut8). I have also had that serendipitous discovery of books I already own inside my library! It is fun, but then that also means I've paid for books (including this one) that I haven't used or known I've needed. Certainly though this is the cost of buying the bundles - you always get books you will need and books you don't know. Thanks for your thoughtful comments!
@@bma My strategy for making base package or collection purchases is that I count up the cost of only the resources that I want out of the set. If the cost of the set is less than the cost for the total of the individual items that I really wanted, then I make the purchase. I consider the remaining resources to be bonuses! That way I don't ever see it as making purchases of resources that I didn't want.
Comparing the different feature sets on their website, it looks like there are some app features (like the draw-on screen and canvas) that are only available if you upgrade to a certain package or higher.
Great question! Go into settings and change "At Startup Open to" to "Most recent layout - any" and it will open where you left it. This is the third option in settings.
On your last two points, I was getting so excited to be able to search my physical library but having to pay over a thousand MORE dollars after I've already spent a thousand ???? no way. This seminarian don't have that kind of money. And about the package system, yep. I bought some expensive package initially that I thought would be most of the resources I'd need for a long long time. Then I comb through the library only to find that over 50% was padding (mostly the in-house Faithlife material) or out-of-date resources like commentaries and lexicons from like 1856. Frankly, it feels really dishonest of them.
a good video, very well put together. I do disagree with you on the way there doing books, if you want just the books, get a legacy package, if you want some pacbages and such with say datasets, get yourself a starter package and build your library off the legacy packages, this way you get some features of the current product while also building your library at the same time. you also are more than capable gettting just basic books and such, so its definitely doable. again very good video and you did a great job.
Yup still the same old bloatware and still having to get at least Academic Pro if you want BDAG , Halot and other standard language tools in the intial package. Still also very light on Patristic texts in translation never mind in original languages. Wonder if someone somewhere has done a Patristics based equivalent to Logos.
"LibraryThing" is a very convenient app for cataloging your library by scanning the ISBN. Created by librarians. Hire a student (or part-time library worker) to do it! Ideally you would box them numerically (Dewey decimal) as you go then shelf them properly.
I can’t stand the licensing issue. I don’t like to be force to buy something I don’t want and will not use. Publishers are greedy for sure, I have many commentaries that I cannot transfer to Logos due to publisher royalties, and can’t even use no more.
What is shocking... The Courage to be is not in the Logos library... I discovered this because during the last hour I have been scanning in all my print books!!! It is glorious 🙌 😍!!!
Thanks for the review! I agree with the last point in regards to the packages, there’s way too many “fluff and filler” resources. A fully custom option would be great 👍🏽
Darryl, wins the Internet for reviewing a software that hasn’t even been officially released yet lol
I timed the release of the video to 15 minutes after the announcement was to start. I wanted to be first!
I fully agree with the packaging structures!! I spent all day yesterday looking and comparing all the packages (wish the compare tool included the academic packages too!!) and my head is spinning. I would absolutely prefer the ability to build my package with what I want with the features I want and not the bulk packages filled with stuff I don't want and won't use.
Thanks for the informative video!!
Great job. I discovered your channel thanks to this video and really appreciate it. Will go back to watch some older ones!!👍🏻👍🏻📖
Welcome, Kevin! It's great to be able to serve you!
Logos was really helpful when I switched from BibleWorks. They directed me to a crossgrade package, which had everything BibleWorks had and more, and it was a really good deal (like $800). They later had a big sale on resources and I called them. The sales person spent the time to find out what exactly I wanted then found the best way to get me the lowest price on all the specific books I wanted. He found some Academic add-on I think. I wound up spending another $400 and got everything I wanted (more than I'll ever need). Point being, they will sometimes make exceptions and help you out. It depends on the sales person's knowledge of the ecosystem and whether there is any wiggle room during a sale.
Generally the sales team are really helpful. I've only had good experiences with them. I'm glad your experience was also good! Thanks for watching!
Love the panning and camera usage in this video when you're trying to show different things i.e. 23:20 ish when we see your set up as you're opening the book by Van hoozer. I know it can be a faff to try and do this when alone..but absolutely awesome mate and really appreciate the hardwork that often gets taken for granted in video production 😁
Glad you enjoyed it! I have an editor who does a great job (you can see him in the background occasionally) in this video. I'm thankful for him!
Thanks for the insightful video! I love all the new features in Logos 10 but I think I will get a trill using the "Quote" feature that is part of the Sermon Builder. As a teacher I am always looking for the right quotes to bring home a point to my students and this feature looks like it will be a lot simpler than plowing through quote books. I do agree with you on you most unpleasing feature in Logos. I have a lot of books by authors that I disagree with and will NEVER read that were thrown into the package I started with. Have a blessed day!
Great review. Integration and performance are improved. (And it took me 45 minutes to figure out whether my best option was to upgrade a library or features or Standard or Academic...) I really wanted the Print Catalog Library feature, but it cost so much more to upgrade to get that. I'm hoping they will at some point offer it as a separate purchase. Thanks.
Thanks Mark! Try getting one of the feature upgrades at bma.to/lemut8 - This is the cheapest way to get the Print Catalog feature.
Gracias, muy buena explicación.
Good video!
I really like your idea of adding a tag to your print books to identify where they are located. In fact, uou could add a friend's library and tag them as his books.
The search in print feature is perhaps the killer feature for me. I use Logos Academic Professional, and the upgrade price from 9 to 10 was quite reasonable (about $200 for me). Purchasing and upgrading was incredibly easy.
That’s such a cool feature, right?
I agree! The upgrade price was pretty good! Congrats!
Looking forward to use translation tool. I am Turkish and this will be handy. Unfortunately Logos still didn’t add Turkish Bible though.
the printed resources feature is only for searching. it is not for reading. I emailed them about my BAGD 2nd edition. turned out only can search, not browse like a licensed book
I'm disappointed the Print Library Catalog feature is only available in Gold and above. I have very little interest in the packages Logos has put together...there are simply too many resources that I would never use. I'd pay to be able to buy that feature à la carte, but as of today you can't. I also agree with your suggestion of being able to build our own packages at a discounted bundle rate.
For the full feature upgrade it's $500...print library catalog is cool, but not $500 cool. Especially when it wouldnt' be my entire library, just a select few that have been digitized.
I understand. I guess you have to have a good reason to get the full feature set. You can probably survive without that feature a little longer though. You could upgrade to say the Bronze feature seat (unless you need the sermon and preaching modules) and then later upgrade again when you can afford it. But I also understand that money is tight, so these are just suggestions. 😉
agreed. It would be nice to be able to build your own library - with at least options to choose between a few different sets.
Agree its really confusing about the base packages plus having to wait for a deal on each book set is inconvenient. Wish I could just get a bundle discount to start
If you call them, they'll often do a bundle discount for you.
Here is a tip that may help: If you want just the new features just purchase the Logos 10 Full Feature Upgrade (not a package with more books) I am a bit new to Logos and use it to teach the Bible to the Chinese and was excited about the translate feature for them, the best way to get all the features Full Feature Upgrade (May be obvious to most but I bought another package... lol) anyway the good news is the full feature upgrade isn't that expensive just not as a package :)
Well said. And you probably only need the full feature upgrade if you need the print catalog feature. Take a look at the feature details at bma.to/logosfeatures
I just upgraded. Went to John Owen. Found some of his Latin paragraphs. Logos translates it to English! Fabulous.
Awesome!
Thanks, this was a great overview!
Thanks for watching!
A solution for your problem of purchase options could be to purchase just the 'feature' upgrade. I'm satisfied with it...
This is a great way to go! Thanks!
Regarding adding a "location" field: The Add to Print Library" function works for adding names of Kindle resources. It would be helpful if an additional field could be added to include URL(s), which would allow launching the web version of the resource. This would also allow adding links to books that are Public Domain
True, but then if they're in the public domain, you could just add them as a personal book.
@@bma A fantastic video showing how to add Kindle books to the "Add to Print Library" function just posted: "Logos 10 Print Library Catalog Tips and Tricks" th-cam.com/video/caMKhHG-Rjo/w-d-xo.html
I am a pastor where half of those that attend are refugees. I'm kind of excited about the translation option
Quick question: is there a way to have for example the ESV and Greek NT sync and have the greek word hilight when the english word is hilighted to help us see the greek word but not (interlinear) to learn faster? Does that make sense?
Yes! I show this right here: th-cam.com/video/kdIwlR9OYKI/w-d-xo.html
To have it highlight words, make sure your corresponding words setting is turned on under resources.
Do you have anything on accordance or suggested videos?
Good question, I don't unfortunately. I do have Accordance, but I don't use it very much and so I'm not as familiar with it. Sorry about that, but thanks for the suggestion!
I used new software on my iPad this morning. Draw on Screen was not in the menu. Any reason why? this is the #1 feature I want as an apple pencil owner...
This is part of the Bronze Feature set. So if you've got the starter edition you won't see it. I hope that helps! Take a look at this link for details: bma.to/logosfeatures
I had a feeling they were using Mono (now MAUI). Wish they would switch to Rust.
Just upgraded to Reformed Bronze, another angle on the translation tool, I teach the Bible to the Chinese so the english resources will hopefully auto translate now... which is worth its weight in Gold for them.
Good point! Thanks!
@@bma Looks like that auto translate is only available for Gold packages or above, just talked to support.
how will Logos know if I own the book? I could have gone to a public library and collect?
It doesn't know how you own it - it just knows you have access to it. So yes, you could get a copy from your library and add that to your print catalog. 😀
Something that has kept me from purchasing Logos 10 is I am so frustrated with all the licenses. It's very confusing.
I created a video to help with this - maybe it will help? th-cam.com/video/9gOIpex1Yag/w-d-xo.html
I am not seeing the "Draw on Screen" option under my tools menu on my Ipad Pro. I just downloaded the App and opened it, do i have to make a purchase before that tool shows up? Thank YOu.
Yes! You will need the Bronze Feature set to enable it. Here's the link with the features so you can tell what level you need: bma.to/logosfeatures
I see the value of the 'Print Library Scan and Search' feature, but personally not of any value to me, if it's in my print library then it's not in Logos, if it's in Logos then it's not in my print library other than my bibles and a few key resources. The enhancements to the mobile App for iPhone are great (I don't have an iPad or any other sort of tablet currently). On the desktop I don't care for the menu on left hand side so it's staying at top of screen for me. Enhancements to timeline, factbook tags (I can choose which ones are underlined in a resource) and bolstering of Church History supporting information are good improvements. Search simplification is a good thing too. I do like the translation feature for when reading a say a theology or other book that includes Latin quotes, this is time saving feature. I am building on my high school German, have a few German language resources so I think I will use this a little bit also as I grow my use of the language and dig a bit more into these resources, i can validate my understanding of the language, do my own translation first and then see what it suggests.
Thanks for watching, Andrew!
I upgraded from logos 6 diamond to logos 9 and I feel like I might just wait for logos 11, I don't see features worth spending more money on.
If you upgraded in the last 180 days you might get a bigger discount. If you're eligible you should get a notification or email from Logos with details. You can also try adding an upgrade to your cart and it *might* give you the recent purchaser price. Details here: bma.to/1cmcino
I really enjoy your channel. I had a couple of thoughts concerning your final comments on what you don't like. First, you can buy just the datasets without a library by shopping the Feature Upgrades, which do not include a library. You can also subscribe to Connect, which gives you the features automatically for every new version, and then you don't have to purchase anything new. Second, concerning the extra resources that I often think I would never use, I actually use many of them quite often under two circumstances. One, I do a lot of research, and I often find citations in academic resources to books that I have not heard of, but that I am pleasantly surprised that I own, so I can read the original quote in its greater context. Two, often times when I am watching a video like yours, or even listening to my preacher, and a book or author is referenced, I often have that book and can consult it directly. Lastly, though I do understand some see the extra resources as clutter, buying the larger packages is the best way to get the really expensive resources that you want for the best price. If I can get a base package for $500, which includes a $1500-$2000 commentary set along with a bunch of other resources, even though it will include some fluff, then I call it a win. I can always hide resources if I am sure that I will never want them to come up in searches.
Thanks Joseph, I agree the feature upgrades are helpful (Check them out at bma.to/lemut8). I have also had that serendipitous discovery of books I already own inside my library! It is fun, but then that also means I've paid for books (including this one) that I haven't used or known I've needed. Certainly though this is the cost of buying the bundles - you always get books you will need and books you don't know. Thanks for your thoughtful comments!
@@bma My strategy for making base package or collection purchases is that I count up the cost of only the resources that I want out of the set. If the cost of the set is less than the cost for the total of the individual items that I really wanted, then I make the purchase. I consider the remaining resources to be bonuses! That way I don't ever see it as making purchases of resources that I didn't want.
Do you have to own logos 10 to get these futures in the iPad app?
I had the same question. I am not seeing the draw on screen feature on my iPad.
I don’t think so. You might need to check the App Store to see if you have the latest version.
Comparing the different feature sets on their website, it looks like there are some app features (like the draw-on screen and canvas) that are only available if you upgrade to a certain package or higher.
@@nhcrawford I just notice that after I upgraded the iPad app - at least for me I’ll wait for a good sale before I upgrade upgrade
How do you turn off the Home Screen to start at your layouts?
Great question! Go into settings and change "At Startup Open to" to "Most recent layout - any" and it will open where you left it. This is the third option in settings.
Love that M1 chip!
On your last two points, I was getting so excited to be able to search my physical library but having to pay over a thousand MORE dollars after I've already spent a thousand ???? no way. This seminarian don't have that kind of money. And about the package system, yep. I bought some expensive package initially that I thought would be most of the resources I'd need for a long long time. Then I comb through the library only to find that over 50% was padding (mostly the in-house Faithlife material) or out-of-date resources like commentaries and lexicons from like 1856. Frankly, it feels really dishonest of them.
Hmmm…I don’t have the “Draw on Screen” option.
It's part of the Bronze Feature set, so if you don't have that it probably won't appear.
@@bma it works now. I downloaded the newest IOS update and it works now.
a good video, very well put together. I do disagree with you on the way there doing books, if you want just the books, get a legacy package, if you want some pacbages and such with say datasets, get yourself a starter package and build your library off the legacy packages, this way you get some features of the current product while also building your library at the same time. you also are more than capable gettting just basic books and such, so its definitely doable. again very good video and you did a great job.
Yup still the same old bloatware and still having to get at least Academic Pro if you want BDAG , Halot and other standard language tools in the intial package. Still also very light on Patristic texts in translation never mind in original languages. Wonder if someone somewhere has done a Patristics based equivalent to Logos.
It might be a good option to have a patristics version - perhaps a specific library.
The last one ☝️👏👏👏👏 thanks
"LibraryThing" is a very convenient app for cataloging your library by scanning the ISBN. Created by librarians. Hire a student (or part-time library worker) to do it! Ideally you would box them numerically (Dewey decimal) as you go then shelf them properly.
Happy Reformation Month ✝️⚒️
Totally agree. LOve Logos but Yes, way too complicated and cumbersome.
The key is to read it. Read John 3: 16
I can’t stand the licensing issue. I don’t like to be force to buy something I don’t want and will not use. Publishers are greedy for sure, I have many commentaries that I cannot transfer to Logos due to publisher royalties, and can’t even use no more.
OMG the Print Library!!!!! That is the game changer for me!!!!!!!! Off to upgrade
Awesome!
What is shocking... The Courage to be is not in the Logos library... I discovered this because during the last hour I have been scanning in all my print books!!!
It is glorious 🙌 😍!!!
Just note to get the Print Library catalog you need at least the Full Feature upgrade or the Gold or high library